Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

Is artificial intelligence about to take your job? According to Daniel Kokotajlo, the executive director of the A.I. Futures Project, that should be the least of your worries. Kokotajlo was once a researcher for OpenAI, but left after losing confidence in the company’s commitment to A.I. safety. This week, he joins Ross to talk about “AI 2027,” a series of predictions and warnings about the risks A.I. poses to humanity in the coming years, from radically transforming the economy to developing armies of robots.

• 03:59 - What effect could AI have on jobs?
• 06:45 - But wait, how does this make society richer?
• 10:08 - Robot plumbers and electricians
• 14:53 - The geopolitical stakes
• 18:58 - AI’s honesty problem
• 22:43 - The fork in the road
• 27:55 - The best case scenario
• 29:38 - The power structure in an AI-dominated world
• 32:32 - What AI leaders think about this power structure
• 38:30 - AI's hallucinations and limitations
• 43:45 - Theories of AI consciousness
• 47:05 - Is AI consciousness inevitable?
• 50:59 - Humanity in an AI-dominated world

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Democrats are stumbling — badly. While the Trump administration redefines the limits of executive overreach, the Democratic party remains at odds over how to — even whether to — respond. But Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut has a plan for beating Republicans in 2026, and it involves taking a cue from President Trump. He shares it with Ross Douthat on this episode of Interesting Times. 

• 02:07 - The First 100 Days for Trump and the Democrats
• 04:06 - The Threat to Democracy Wasn’t Enough Then or Now.
• 06:49 - How Dems Fight Trump
• 13:41 - Where Chris Murphy Can Agree With the Populist Right
• 16:38 - Is Connecticut a Model of What is Wrong with Democrats?
• 25:54 - The Spiritual Crisis in American Life
• 27:56 - The Problem with Big Tech
• 33:45 - How Do Democrats (And Murphy) Talk About Religion? Should They?
• 45:35 - Is Trump Really Running An Oligarchy?
• 50:34 - Does the Democratic Party Need a Bigger Tent?
• 53:54 - A Need for a National Consensus on Immigration
• 57:09 - “A Democracy Dies Without a High Stakes Confrontation”

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The Trump era is ushering in a new age of right wing counterculture, one defined by masculinity and transgression. In this episode of Interesting Times, Ross speaks with Jonathan Keeperman, the founder of Passage Press, about the influence of an edgy, reactionary, right-wing “vibe shift” on American politics and culture.

• 2:09 - Jonathan Keeperman’s Lomez days
• 5:25 - 2014: An inflection point in American culture?
• 7:40 - The emergence of a “conservative counter elite”
• 9:41 - The creation of a right wing counterweight to the dominant left
• 12:32 - What makes something “conservative art”?
• 15:18 - Are David Lynch films right wing art? Is Girls?
• 18:11 - Is there such a thing as good left wing art?
• 19:32 - Right wing counterculture’s obsession with “vitalism”
• 22:56 - Longhouse culture: Is the “over feminization” of society making America weaker?
• 27:55 - Is the longhouse argument just a “long male whine”?
• 30:41 - Is right wing counterculture anti-Christian?
• 35:48 - Trump as mythic hero
• 43:31 - What is the function of racism in right wing counterculture?
• 53:50 - Are racist means transgressive or just racist?
• 1:05:43 - Will the rightward vibe shift show up in pop culture?
• 1:07:37 - Why every high school senior should read “Moby Dick” and watch “No Country for Old Men”

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There’s a saying that comes to mind these days: May you live in interesting times. It’s understood to be a curse, even though it sounds like a blessing.

“Interesting Times With Ross Douthat” is a new weekly podcast from New York Times Opinion. Every Thursday, he will map the new world order through interviews and conversations. Answering questions like: What does our new political era really look like? What is the future of democracy around the world, with American empire in retreat? What happens to movies and books — all of culture — in our digital and A.I.-dominated age?

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