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The Climate Case of the Century: Inside the story of a youth-led legal movement
In a world-first, the International Court of Justice is preparing to deliver an advisory opinion on climate change and human rights - all thanks to a youth-led campaign that began thousands of miles from The Hague, in the Pacific Islands.
This week, we look inside that extraordinary campaign, and hear the story of Cynthia Houniuhi, who - as a young law student from the Solomon Islands - helped launch the movement that would ultimately unite over 130 countries behind a single goal. Now, six years after this idea began in a law classroom, the world’s highest court is set to weigh in on the responsibility of states to protect current and future generations from climate harm.
Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson reflect on the power of legal activism, the role of youth leadership, and what this landmark case could mean for the future of international climate law.
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⚖️ Read more information about the ICJ climate case on the Pacific Islands Students Fighting Climate Change website
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O+O Recommends: When Science Finds A Way
Last episode, we explored the urgent connection between climate and health, and brought you a powerful and timely conversation with Julia Gillard, former Australian Prime Minister and Chair of the Wellcome Trust.
Today, we want to recommend a show that those who enjoyed that episode are likely to love. When Science Finds A Way is a brilliant podcast from the Wellcome Trust that highlights how science is changing lives around the world. In the short clip here, we hear how something as simple as a cool roof - a special reflective paint - is helping communities stay safe from extreme heat.
🎧 Listen to the full episode: Cool roofs: homes fit for a hotter world
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Health Warning: The Human Cost of Climate Inaction with Julia Gillard
Scientists warn that the world could breach its 1.5°C emissions limit within just 2-3 years. It’s a scary thought, but across the globe, many are grappling with an even more immediate and visceral reality: the climate crisis is already a health crisis.
From deadly heatwaves to worsening air pollution and climate-related trauma, the health impacts of climate change are escalating. In this episode, Christiana Figueres and Paul Dickinson explore how growing awareness of these challenges is beginning to reframe the conversation, and ask whether this could be the narrative that finally drives faster, more inclusive climate action.
Christiana is joined by former Australian Prime Minister and Chair of the Wellcome Trust, Julia Gillard, who makes the case for why health must become central to climate communication - and why we should be talking about “lives lost”, rather than simply degrees gained.
Meanwhile, Tom Rivett-Carnac drops in from the launch of London Climate Action Week 2025, where health is rapidly emerging as a defining lens.
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🌡️ See what the Wellcome Trust is doing at the intersection of climate and health
🩺 Read all about the speakers and events at the Conduit’s Climate and The Future of Health, supported by the Wellcome Trust and held on the first day of LCAW
📅 Browse the full London Climate Action Week events listings, featuring over 500 events across London and online
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Could This Change Your Life?: The Climate Tech Revolution
While climate diplomacy grapples with global uncertainty, there’s a quiet revolution happening that may be just as important - thousands of breakthrough technologies and creative applications that are emerging to tackle the climate crisis in new and unexpected ways.
Around the world, figures from business, government and civil society come together at climate weeks to share ideas, showcase solutions, and accelerate action. Ahead of London Climate Action Week, where many of these innovations will be spotlighted, Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson introduce just a few of the many founders and builders reimagining how we grow, produce, work, and live in a world under pressure.
From bio-based foams to paper-based electronic sensors, and from temperature-sensitive food labels to AI water management devices, this episode dives into the materials, data, and design transforming the climate solutions landscape.
While technology alone won’t solve the crisis, can it offer glimpses of what a livable, low-carbon future might look like? And how might it contribute to reshaping the infrastructure, industries, and incentives that underpin our daily lives?
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🧶 The Future Fabrics Expo, where Evoco and other makers of sustainably and responsibly produced materials will be sharing their work
♻️ Reset Connect, where Watergate, Hurd, Giki and hundreds of other businesses and speakers will be featured
🧪 The Undaunted Innovation Hub, from the programme that has supported PulpaTronics, Mimica and Cyanoskin
📅 The full London Climate Action Week events listings, featuring over 500 events across London and online
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Hope for the High Seas?: Sylvia Earle and Oceans on the World Stage
World leaders, scientists and ocean advocates are gathering in Nice for the 3rd UN Ocean Conference (UNOC) and hopes are high that progress can be made on some of the many pressing issues facing our seas - from acidification to pollution, and from biodiversity loss to deep sea mining.
Reporting from the summit, Christiana Figueres and Tom Rivett-Carnac ask: can this moment become a true turning point for ocean governance? Central to the agenda is the High Seas Treaty: a long-awaited international agreement designed to protect marine life in the 64% of the ocean that lies beyond national borders. But with more ratifications needed to get it across the line, can its future be secured while the world’s eyes are on Nice?
Later, Christiana is joined by legendary oceanographer and explorer Dr. Sylvia Earle. Drawing on a lifetime of experience beneath the waves, she shares stories, warnings, and a passionate case for protecting the blue lungs of the planet.
This episode features underwater and ocean recordings taken by sound artist and documentarist Louise Romain.
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⚓ Get the latest news on UNOC from the official website
🌊 Learn more about the High Seas Treaty and track its progress towards 60 ratifications
🐠 Discover Sylvia Earle’s ocean advocacy initiative Mission Blue
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COP30: Can Brazil deliver a global breakthrough?
This November, Brazil will host COP30 in Belém, on the edge of the Amazon rainforest, in what is bound to be a moment packed with symbolism, high expectations, and global significance. This week, Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson explore what’s at stake, what Brazil wants to achieve, and whether the world is ready to move from ambition to implementation.
Back from his recent trip to the country, Tom shares conversations with COP CEO Ana Toni and Gustavo Westmann from the office of the Brazilian Presidency, along with insights and impressions he picked up on the ground - from the growing political momentum to the logistical and diplomatic hurdles still to be overcome. Plus, he introduces the team to the concept of mutirão - this COP’s ambition that the path to climate action be built collectively, and through shared effort, cooperation, and solidarity.
With Brazil readying itself to be the focus of the world’s media later this year, we ask: can COP30 be a breakthrough moment for fossil fuel phaseout, nature protection, and delivery on past promises? Or will it risk becoming another high-profile summit weighed down by old divisions and new distractions?
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🗺️ Get the latest COP30 updates and insights from the official website
💡 Start exploring the Outrage + Optimism archive by listening to our Lifelines VS Deadlines miniseries, co-hosted by Global Optimism’s Fiona Macklin, whom you heard from at the end of this episode
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Sovereignty and Survival: A Spotlight on Vanuatu
How far would you go to protect your home?
In this week’s special episode, Christiana Figueres brings us a deeply personal and political dispatch from Vanuatu - a country on the frontlines of the climate crisis and at the heart of one of the most significant climate justice initiatives of our time.
In conversations with voices from government (Minister Ralph Regenvanu), climate diplomacy (Christopher Bartlett), youth leadership and advocacy (Litiana Kalsrap), and the arts (Jean-Pascal Wahe), Christiana explores the legacy of colonisation, the meaning of land and sovereignty, and the moral power of a nation that is doing everything it can to protect its people and its planet.
Alongside Paul Dickinson, she also considers Vanuatu’s history as a climate leader and the decades-long struggle for loss and damage. Plus, they begin to unpack the landmark ICJ case that Vanuatu has initiated, and which we will be exploring further in future episodes.
How is this island nation persevering in the face of rising seas and extreme weather? And what does the world owe to those who have done the least to cause our current crisis?
This episode features songs recorded by Christiana in the village of Imaki, on Tanna island, and additional wildlife recordings from Vanuatu by Dominik M. Ramík.
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🍠 Jean-Pascal Wahe telling Christiana what it means to be ‘chief of the yam’
⚖️ Information about the ICJ climate case on the Pacific Islands Students Fighting Climate Change website
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When Business Is Political: Climate commitments in an age of backlash
As the US federal government drifts further into anti-climate rhetoric and abandons its national and international commitments, can non-state actors hold the line?
With Christiana Figueres away in Vanuatu, Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson take the reins to explore how climate progress is increasingly being driven by - or being left to - businesses and non-profits. They unpack the mounting challenges facing climate-aligned companies, the promise and complexity of existing voluntary initiatives, and the role that the private sector can play in driving innovation, accountability, and ambition in the absence of strong national leadership.
Later, they speak with Helen Clarkson, CEO of the Climate Group, about the shifting reality for businesses trying to lead on climate in the US and beyond. And they ask her to address some of the rumours surrounding Climate Week NYC: Is it happening? Will it definitely be held in New York? And how can it become a beacon of action in an age of political uncertainty?
Plus: Tom and Paul consider the upcoming ruling in a ground-breaking climate liability case with potentially seismic impacts.
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⚖️ Details and documents on the Luciano Lliusya v. RWE EG legal case
🛢️ ‘Scientists Tally Oil Majors’ Climate Damage With Eye to Legal Liability’ in Bloomberg
🛑 ‘The End of Rule of Law in America’ by J. Michael Luttig, in The Atlantic
📺 ‘Every day I have been shocked and disgusted’ - J. Michael Luttig on MSNBC
🌎 Find out more about Climate Week NYC, or the Climate Group’s RE100 and EV100
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The Spanish Grid Goes Down: Are renewables really to blame?
On April 28th, millions of people across Spain, Portugal and beyond were plunged into darkness in one of Europe’s most severe blackouts in decades. Was it a cyberattack? A renewables failure? Or might things be a little more complex?
This week, Tom Rivett-Carnac, Christiana Figueres, and Paul Dickinson dig into what we know, what we don’t, and ask what this blackout really tells us about the transition to renewables. They speak with energy strategist Kingsmill Bond of Ember and hear an on-the-ground account from José Manuel Entrecanales, CEO of global renewables leader Acciona, to build a picture of how our grids function – and how they fail.
Plus: what can we say when friends or colleagues claim that ‘renewables aren’t reliable’? And, after our recent conversations reflecting on the legacy of Pope Francis, what might Pope Leo XIV mean for future climate leadership?
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🔌 Ember’s report, ‘Energy Security in an Insecure World’
🎧 Octopus CEO Greg Jackson interviewed on the Azeem Azhar’s Exponential View podcast
💡 Simon Evans’s analysis for Carbon Brief on the role of gas in electricity pricing
🌐 The IEA’s report, ‘Electricity Grids and Secure Energy Transitions’
🌳 ‘Pope Francis was a passionate climate advocate. Will Pope Leo XIV continue his legacy?’ in EuroNews
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Technology vs Transition?: What Tony Blair gets right - and wrong - about net zero
Former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair says that net zero is politically unachievable without radical rethinking: a shift away from reducing consumption and toward technologies that can remove carbon both at the source and from the atmosphere. So, are carbon capture and carbon removal really viable - and more palatable - alternatives to a rapid fossil fuel phaseout? And is our net zero strategy failing, or simply failing to be explained?
Hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson dive into the heart of these questions and explore what Blair’s comments mean for the wider net zero debate. At a time when climate action is becoming increasingly politicised and weaponised, they consider how we might frame net zero as something that improves people’s lives, rather than threatening them. And how we can ensure that every credible climate solution stays on the table.
With timely and provocative contributions from listeners and friends of the podcast - including former BBC News Science Editor David Shukman and Senior Policy Advisor at Carbonfuture Sebastian Manhart - the hosts ask: can we rescue the net zero brand before it’s written off?
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📘 The Tony Blair Institute’s report, ‘The Climate Paradox: Why We Need to Reset Action on Climate Change’
✈️ ‘Aviation industry is ‘failing dramatically’ on climate, insiders say’ in the Guardian
🌱 The Future We Choose, by Christiana Figueres and Tom Rivett-Carnac
📣 Our previous episode on communicating climate change with John Marshall, whose work Christiana references in this episode
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Beyond the ‘Climate Wars’?: Australia heads to the polls
Australia heads to the polls this weekend - with climate firmly on the ballot. Is the country ready to lose its reputation as the battleground of the climate wars? And are we about to see a lasting shift in a nation that has for years been torn between its sunlight and its coal?
As a pivotal election looms, Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson examine what’s at stake for one of the world’s highest per-capita emitters. After months of polling ahead, the opposition Coalition now faces a late surge from the governing Labor Party, with the Greens, Teals and independents all likely to play a crucial role. The result could reinforce, roll-back or reshape domestic climate policy, and determine whether Australia emerges as a global climate leader at a time when others are stepping away from the stage.
To understand what’s going on, the team calls up friend of the show Dean Bialek, Founder and Managing Director of The Pacific Project. Together, they explore the opportunities for Australia in the energy transition, the narratives and dynamics driving this election, and the country’s potential role as a regional leader as it hopes to host 2026’s COP31 with other Pacific nations.
So, does Australia have a role to play in reigniting regional and global climate momentum? And how will this election shape the climate fight - both within and beyond its borders.
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🌿 Philip Levin’s opinion piece in the New York Times, ‘Trump Tried to Derail Our Work. We Banded Together and Moved Forward.’
🦅 The Economist’s US cover this week, reported by Yahoo
🔬 Hungry Beast’s ‘I’m A Climate Scientist’ video
⚡ ABC News Australia’s graphic, illustrating the shift in Australia’s energy mix
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The End of Oil? Inside the Hidden Decline of Fossil Fuels | Earth Day Special
Are we witnessing the beginning of the end for fossil fuels?
This Earth Day, Outrage + Optimism explores a seismic shift in global energy: the possibility that major oil and gas companies are entering a self-managed decline. Have fossil fuel companies been overvalued for decades? And are they now quietly winding themselves down?
For years, analysts and campaigners have questioned why these companies are valued as if they'll pump oil forever. With rising climate risks, tightening regulation, and growing investor scrutiny, the foundations of their business model have looked increasingly shaky.
Now, something remarkable is happening. From Exxon to Shell, oil majors are cutting back on capital investment, failing to replace their reserves, and instead handing profits back to shareholders. Could this be the beginning of an industry in managed decline?
In this Earth Day special, Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson sit down with Mark Campanale, founder of Carbon Tracker and the originator of the ‘stranded assets’ concept that helped launch the global divestment movement.
Is this truly the start of fossil fuel’s final chapter? Or is it a strategic pivot - away from fuels and toward petrochemicals, plastics, and a long tail of influence?
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🏛️ Adam Serwer’s article, ‘The Constitutional Crisis is Here’ in The Atlantic
🖍️ Reporting on the White House deportation cartoon
🚨 Ezra Klein’s video on illegal deportation, ‘The Emergency is Here’
🏳️ Harry Benham’s Substack piece, ‘Leaving the battlefield: oil companies are quitting renewables, yes, but also quitting energy’
🌍 Carbon Tracker’s Paris Maligned
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The Death of Pope Francis: A Short Message from Christiana
In the wake of this morning’s sad announcement about the death of Pope Francis, Christiana Figueres reflects on his important legacy as a champion for environmental and justice causes, and shares some of the late Pope’s own words, reflecting on the landmark Paris Agreement.
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🌍 Pope Francis’s words in Profiles of Paris
📜 Pope Francis’s encyclical Laudato Si’: On Care for Our Common Home
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China's Decarbonisation Leadership: Is Trump (accidentally) fueling Beijing's climate takeover?
As the US retreats from international climate leadership and looks increasingly inwards, can China step up and steer the global energy transition? And if it can, what shape will that transition take?
In the latest of our country deep-dives, Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson explore China’s pivotal and complex role in decarbonising our world. At home, the nation is a technology superpower, the driver behind the renewables and EV revolutions, and dominates the world in solar panels, batteries and green hydrogen. But it’s also a coal-powered polluter, with a history of taking a backseat in traditional climate diplomacy on the international stage. So, with global geopolitics and trade realigning, is it about to pick a lane?
To unpack all this, the team is joined by Li Shuo, Director of the China Climate Hub at the Asia Society Policy Institute. At a time of flux, he outlines the complex forces shaping China’s strategy, and considers what we might expect to see from it in the years ahead.
Above all, one thing is clear: China’s role will be a defining force in the next decade of climate progress. And the impact of its action - or inaction - will be felt around the world.
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🔩 ‘China halts critical rare earth mineral exports as Trump teases new tariffs’ from the Independent
🔋 BloombergNEF’s update on global investments into the energy transition, highlighting China’s role
💥 ‘China hits out at Trump's "blackmail" and spells out conditions for ending trade war’ in TAG24
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Tariffs, Trump, and Al Gore on the Future of Democracy: What on earth is happening?
What happens when the US tears up the rulebook on global trade? And what does that mean for the planet? Plus: what on earth is happening in Greenland? And does it really signal an unlikely MAGA embrace of climate science?
In this urgent and wide-ranging episode, Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson explore the fallout from Trump’s new global tariffs, reflect on the environmental movement’s complex relationship with free trade, and ask what this moment tells us about democracy, power and inequality.
Later, Christiana shares highlights from a timely conversation she recently had in Paris, with former US Vice President Al Gore and France’s Special Representative for COP21 Laurence Tubiana. Together, they consider the impact of money in politics, the poly-solutions to our state of polycrisis, and the importance of staying (stubbornly) optimistic.
Learn more
⚖️ The New Civil Liberties Alliance Complaint for Injunctive and Declaratory Relief
📉 Rebecca Schneid’s article for Time, ‘Is the U.S. Heading Into a Recession Amid Trump’s Tariffs? ‘Liberation Day’ Fallout Sparks Fresh Fears’
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Delay, Deny, Derail: Inside the fossil fuel lobby’s playbook at COPs
How have fossil fuel lobbyists become so embedded in the COP system, and how can we disrupt their involvement in domestic and international politics? This is our second episode inspired by the RSC and Good Chance Theatre’s production of Kyoto.
In this episode, Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson explore the history of this often unseen influence, ask why fossil fuel lobbyists have become so embedded in the COP system, and consider what levers are emerging to disrupt their involvement in domestic and international politics.
This episode also features another panel from our live event at The Conduit, inspired by the RSC and Good Chance Theatre’s Olivier-nominated production of Kyoto, and hosted by the Financial Times’ Pilita Clark. She’s joined by climate lawyer Tessa Khan, climate finance and energy expert Kirsty Hamilton, and historian of climate change negotiations and former UNFCCC secretariat Joanna Depledge, to unpack how industry lobbyists - from oil majors to car manufacturers - used misinformation, procedural manipulation, and political influence to undermine progress in Kyoto and beyond.
So, how have fossil fuel lobby tactics changed in the years since Kyoto? Have they achieved everything they set out to? And what might the world look like if the industry had never sought to delay and derail climate negotiations - or, better yet, had taken responsibility for its role in the green transition?
This is our second episode inspired by the RSC and Good Chance Theatre’s production of Kyoto. You can listen to the first episode, Behind the Scenes at Kyoto: Drama and diplomacy on the world stage here.
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📚Read: This Guardian article about the Greenpeace loss in North Dakota
📺Watch: Climate of Concern, a 1991 film by Shell
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Behind the Scenes at Kyoto: Drama and diplomacy on the world stage
What did it take to get nearly 200 nations to agree on tackling climate change in 1997? And what have we learned in the decades since?
In this episode, we reflect on the drama, the impact and the legacy of the Kyoto Protocol, and go behind the scenes of the Royal Shakespeare Company’s powerful and acclaimed production of Kyoto, currently playing in London’s West End.
After watching a performance of the play this week, Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson introduced a live event at The Conduit, bringing together those who were in the room at COP3 in Kyoto with those now shaping the path to COP30 in Belém and beyond.
First, we hear from a panel of seasoned voices from the world of international climate diplomacy, moderated by climate journalist Ed King. Farhana Yamin, longtime negotiator for small island states, speaks of how Kyoto helped amplify the voices of vulnerable nations for the first time. Nick Mabey, co-founder of E3G, reflects on Kyoto’s economic impact, arguing that it sparked a global clean tech revolution by making climate action economically viable. And Richard Kinley, former Deputy Executive Secretary of the UNFCCC, offered rare insights into the diplomacy that shaped Kyoto. Together, they paint a vivid picture of Kyoto’s legacy and what it still offers to today’s climate movement.
Later, we hear from the playwrights behind Kyoto, Joe Murphy and Joe Robertson, about how they turned bureaucratic negotiations into riveting on-stage drama.
So, what’s changed since 1997? Are we in a better place thanks to Kyoto? And is multilateralism still fit for purpose in today’s world?
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Canada's Climate Crossroads: Will Carney deliver real progress?
Is Canada a climate leader or a fossil-fueled dinosaur? And what will the recent ascension of Mark Carney as Prime Minister mean for the country’s climate agenda - both domestically and on the world stage?
In the second of our country deep-dives, Christiana Figueres and Tom Rivett-Carnac speak with Catherine McKenna, Canada’s former Minister of Environment and Climate Change, to discuss the mixed history, uncertain present and possible futures of the nation’s climate record.
As Canada’s representative at the COP 21 negotiations in Paris, Catherine set the tone for the decade that has followed, during which time the country has increasingly engaged in international climate leadership. Back home, she also spearheaded an innovative carbon pricing system, which, though not always popular, attempted to shift the nation away from its fossil fuel dependency while delivering an economic net benefit for most Canadians.
While former Bank of England and Bank of Canada Governor Mark Carney has become widely known as a climate progressive, his first act in office was to end this carbon tax, leading many to question how his climate ideals will fare in the face of political reality. Catherine reflects on why the tax was scrapped, and the lessons that must be learned if we are to defend climate action.
Along with Paul Dickinson, Christiana and Tom consider the challenges facing former Outrage + Optimism guest Carney as he takes the helm of one of the G20’s highest emitters, and ask if we’re witnessing a wider backlash against corporate net zero commitments.
Learn more
📚Read: U.S. Senator Sheldon Whitehouse’s letter seeking information about the Department of Justice and FBI investigation into the Environmental Protection Agency’s Greenhouse Gas Reduction Fund and the reported freezing of grant money awarded from that fund.
🏭 Mark Carney’s statement on his decision to scrap the carbon tax
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Justice for the Planet: The case for climate litigation
How can the law be used to champion human rights, drive progress and fight for climate justice? Paul Dickinson is joined by Laura Clarke, CEO of ClientEarth, the non-profit lawyers for the planet working to protect life on Earth.
Laura shares how ClientEarth has successfully challenged corporate greenwashing, from the Dutch courts ruling against airline KLM for misleading customers, to forcing a Polish company to change the misleading name of its ‘eco-pea coal’. And beyond corporate accountability, how they take on national governments to ensure they uphold their environmental commitments.
In this latest in our series on the new levers of change, co-presenters Tom Rivett-Carnac and Christiana Figueres join Paul to reflect on the ways in which law, climate and justice intersects. Christiana shares her excitement on the new ways in which the ‘web of jurisprudence’ is being woven in a field with little legal precedent.
Plus, each share their take on the news that former Outrage + Optimism guest Mark Carney will become the next Prime Minister of Canada. How will he deal with President Trump amid the ongoing US-Canada trade war?
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💼 ClientEarth case study: KLM Greenwashing found illegal
📖 Read more about ClientEarth https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/client-earth-james-thornton/3713181?ean=9781911344810
⚖️ Learn about how young people are taking action in court https://www.kcl.ac.uk/climate-law/assets/climatechangeandyoungpeople-shortversion.pdf
🛢️ Find out how big oil’s campaign financing for Donald Trump’s re-election may have prevented a congressional investigation
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/06/big-oil-investigation-congress-republicans
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Why ignoring women endangers the climate | International Women's Day 2025
Are women the key to solving the climate crisis? Why are they - and children - so disproportionately affected by the issue? And how can men step up to support change?
To mark International Women’s Day, Christiana Figueres is joined by top climate scientist Dr Katharine Hayhoe.
As well as being Distinguished Professor and Endowed Chair at Texas Tech University, Katharine is an influential voice in communicating science at the ‘kitchen table’ level. She and Christiana reflect on the barriers women face in STEM roles, Katharine’s work with Science Moms highlights the impact of the crisis on children and the power of women in conversations about the climate.
Women make up just over a third of STEM professionals in the United States and only a quarter of earth science professors globally. In an era where diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives are being rolled back by President Donald Trump’s government, there’s never been a more urgent need for diverse voices in science. Leading data scientist Hannah Ritchie asks how we communicate in this new landscape.
Plus, Katharine shares how her Evangelical Christian faith fuels—rather than conflicts with—her climate work, as she and Christiana they celebrate how love can be the driving force for all genders to unite for climate justice.
Together with Christiana, co-hosts Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson reflect on why diverse perspectives lead to better solutions and ask how men can support greater gender equality in STEM. Throughout, we hear from incredible women worldwide with inspiring messages for International Women’s Day. From Pat Mitchell and her work on Project Dandelion to Natalie Isaacs of 1 Million Women - plus a rallying cry from Fabian Dattner of Homeward Bound.
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📺 Watch the Science Moms campaign ad broadcast during the Superbowl
🗣️ Read the Science Moms guide on how to talk about climate change with friends, family, or strangers
🤩 Be inspired by Katharine Hayhoe’s TED Talk
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Can philanthropy fill the hole left by USAID?
Development programmes across the world are still reeling from the swingeing cuts to USAID, whilst other western nations such as the UK and Germany have announced plans to scale back their own aid commitments.
With Mike Bloomberg agreeing to fill the gap in climate funding left by the US's withdrawal from Paris, is it up to wealthy philanthropists to fill the hole of state funding? Is it realistic or appropriate for them to do so? And do competing interests from funders compromise work on the ground?
Tom Rivett-Carnac, Christiana Figueres and Paul Dickinson examine the potential for a slippery slope in which governments increasingly abdicate their responsibilities for minimising problems for people and the planet.
To delve into the topic more broadly, Christiana speaks to Helen Mountford, president and CEO of ClimateWorks Foundation, a global platform of researchers, strategists and grantmakers aiming to end the climate crisis by amplifying the power of philanthropy.
Since 2008, ClimateWorks has granted over $2 billion to more than 850 grantees in over 50 countries. Whether electric vehicles or clean cooling for air conditioning units, Helen cites examples of philanthropic programmes that not only tackle climate destruction but also improve standard of living for people. And after expressing some much justified outrage, Christiana and Helen agree on a moment of optimism for bottom-up community coordination.
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🧑🎓Learn more about wider trends of slashing global aid
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Inside Costa Rica’s Climate Fight: Can the nation hold on to its green ideas?
How does a nation transform its forest coverage from 21% to 60% in half a century? What are the policies that can place nature at the very heart of political thinking? And why does Christiana Figueres see a picture of her dad when she visits an ATM?
Christiana is joined in her home country by co-hosts Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson as they explore Costa Rica’s remarkable history and constitutionally guaranteed environmental safeguards. Our resident expert explains her very deep personal bond to her country’s politics as her father, former President José Figueres Ferrer, was also the father of the Second Republic, most famous for abolishing the country’s army.
It is perhaps Costa Rica’s policies towards nature that truly elevates this nation above its peers, from its drive on rewilding to carbon taxes. But this incredible progress is now under threat: Christiana and former President Luis Guillermo Solís reflect on the populist Trump-like measures implemented by the current administration, including plans for a regressive return to fossil fuels. Will the government go through with it?
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Learn more:
📝 Check out Article 50 of the constitution of Costa Rica:
All persons have the right to a healthy and ecologically balanced environment. For that, they are legitimated to denounce the acts that infringe this right and to claim reparation for the damage caused.
🌱 Read about the human right to a healthy environment
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Beyond Trump: The new frontlines for climate action
What is the future of climate action? Having previously interrogated the failures of multilateralism in the years since the Paris Agreement was signed, Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson look to the future and the alternative ‘levers of change’ that will tackle the climate crisis.
These avenues are needed now more than ever after a whirlwind of executive orders and policies passed by President Donald Trump’s administration. These have placed climate action firmly in its crosshairs, whilst conflating it with other conservative talking points such as transgender rights and Diversity, Equity and Inclusion programmes.
So what other levers can be pulled? Whether it’s the utilisation of technology; our interaction with the worlds of business and finance; mass engagement with the public at large; climate litigation that moves the debate into the courtroom; and the role of young people – not just as campaigners, but also as corporate advisors. Will these approaches help bypass increasing obstructionism in the fight for climate justice?
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📊 Check out the graphs Paul mentioned about the power of wind and solar generation, as well as EV and battery sales!
💡 Learn more about Flooded People UK
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📺 WATCH: 10 years on from Paris, Christiana Figueres is forced to confront her negotiation style: “There’s no one less diplomatic than I am!”
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How big oil is holding back progress on the Paris Climate Agreement
Christiana Figueres, the driving force behind the groundbreaking Paris Climate Agreement, reflects on the high-stakes negotiations that reshaped the global fight against climate change in the year that marks its ten-year anniversary. With the fate of the planet hanging in the balance, she reveals the relentless pushback from the fossil fuel lobby, and the ever-shifting geopolitical tensions that threaten progress. Will the world stay on course, or are we teetering on the edge of climate catastrophe?
Co-hosts Paul Dickinson and Tom Rivett-Carnac recall the final hours of the deal being adopted, the extraordinary feeling of seeing the world come together in unanimous support of climate action and make their predictions for how the business and political worlds will move forward in a new era of leadership. As Donald Trump kicks off his second term with a raft of immigration policies, the hosts discuss how the number of people set to be displaced due to climate is set to exceed a billion by 2050. Plus, whether 2025 is the year the insurance industry reaches an existential crisis as climate-related weather events, like the LA fires, become uninsurable.
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Confused about climate? The essential terms you need to know
What’s an NDC? What does El Niño tell us about global temperatures this year? And why could a landmark ICJ ruling unlock a wave of climate legal cases? Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson break down the climate acronyms and buzzwords you need to know in 2025.
With a crucial year ahead for climate action, this podcast is your essential guide to the key terms shaping global discussions. From breaking down BRICS to how President Donald Trump’s return to the White House will change the climate conversation. Plus, Paul finally decodes the ultimate acronym soup of climate finance jargon and the hosts discuss whether scrapping acronyms altogether could make the climate conversation more accessible.
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What does Trump 2.0 mean for climate?
What will a Trump presidency mean for the climate movement? Hours after Trump takes office for the second time, Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson regroup to take stock and share their reactions to the US withdrawal from the Paris climate agreement. Guest Greg Bertelsen, chief executive of the Climate Leadership Council, offers his perspective on positive ways in which to engage with the Trump presidency on climate and Paul Dickinson shares what business leaders will be discussing at this week’s World Economic Forum in Davos.
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LA fires and the top climate stories to watch in 2025
The devastating fires in LA have dominated the headlines in a dramatic start to 2025. Christiana Figueres,Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson discuss their link with climate, as the newly-released Copernicus report confirms the world has exceeded 1.5 degrees of warming.
And, in the year that marks halfway in the decisive decade for world emissions, our hosts are here with your definitive guide to the biggest climate moments coming up in 2025.
What solutions will technology, AI and business people bring forward this year? What are the key meeting points and dates for the climate community? And just how did Tom and Christiana go from watching Costa Rica in the football World Cup in a pub in New York to delivering the history-making Paris climate talks?
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Reintroducing… Outrage + Optimism: The Climate Podcast
Outrage + Optimism is for anyone who is not ready to give up on making the world a better place. Feeling exhausted at the thought of keeping up with climate news ahead of this pivotal year? Join Christiana, Tom and Paul in their weekly conversations to make sense of it all, bringing you expert insight, analysis and inspiring conversations with some of the world’s most visionary thinkers and influential decision makers. Subscribe to Outrage + Optimism: The Climate Podcast.
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278. Pets, Preppers and Personal Carbon Budgets
How can you reduce the environmental impact of your cat or dog? What’s the best way to prepare for climate breakdown? And how should you talk to children about climate? Christiana, Paul and Tom wrap up the year by answering an eclectic and insightful selection of your questions.
Plus: they digest the fourth and final COP of the year, known as the Desertification COP, which took place in December in Saudi Arabia and reflect on their own feelings at the end of a challenging year for the climate movement.
Huge thanks to our community of listeners for all the great questions submitted and all the support this year. Apologies if we didn’t get to your question this time but do keep sending them our way. See you in 2025!
NOTES AND RESOURCES
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277. Trump and Climate Populism with Ben Rhodes
Ben Rhodes—writer, political commentator, and former Deputy National Security Advisor under President Obama—joins the host team to dissect the challenges of a Trump 2.0 administration.
Rhodes issues a bold call for a new "climate populist" strategy, to redirect the populist right-wing outrage over climate action toward exposing the oil and gas industry's stranglehold on climate negotiations, as seen at recent COP summits.
Christiana, Tom, Paul, plus special guest Fi Macklin, invite Rhodes to explore themes of strong leadership, the shifting dynamics of geopolitics, Trump’s appeal to the U.S. electorate, and how the world could navigate global climate politics without the US over the next four years? NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUESTS
Ben Rhodes, writer, political commentator, and national security analyst
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Fiona Macklin, Senior Advisor on Groundswell, Global Optimism
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276. Action On Plastic Pollution with Ellen MacArthur
This week, Christiana, Tom and Paul tackle the latest on the global plastics treaty (known as INC-5), which ended last week without a deal. Why were countries unable to agree a deal despite the huge amount of public concern about plastic pollution? What pathways remain for an agreement in 2025? And why is it so important to maintain focus on plastic from a climate point of view? Dive into the challenges and explore potential solutions with the team.
Continuing this critical theme, Ellen MacArthur, Founder & Chair of Trustees of the Ellen MacArthur Foundation, world record-breaking sailor and circular economy advocate, joins Christiana to share an exclusive conversation as part of a collaboration between The Circular Economy Show and Outrage + Optimism. Together they consider what’s next for the global plastics treaty, get excited about the role of the private sector in tackling plastic pollution, and highlight how the visibility of plastics can help capture public attention on climate. Before you go…
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NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUEST
Dame Ellen MacArthur
Ellen MacArthur Foundation
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The Foundation works to accelerate the transition to a circular economy, if you’d like to find out more, the Foundation’s podcast ‘The Circular Economy Show’ talks to experts from across industry, governments and academia to hear first hand about how the circular economy is being developed and scaled.
December Mailbag Episode
We would LOVE to hear your questions for our end of year listener Mailbag episode. Whether it is your questions on our most recent How to Live a Good Life series, questions on the recent COPs or everything and anything in between. Please either:
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275. COP29 Conclusions
This week, the team dives into the dramatic highs and lows of COP29 in Baku. With negotiations stretching into the final hours, a hard-fought finance deal emerged to bolster climate action and support for the most vulnerable. Yet, Christiana describes the agreement as “paltry at best,” highlighting the yawning chasm between what was agreed upon and what is truly necessary to address the climate crisis.
For those advocating for an ambitious, needs-based outcome, this year’s COP was a bruising experience—marked by frustration, hurt, and disappointment. The hosts share their thoughts on the controversies surrounding Azerbaijan's COP presidency and the challenges faced by negotiators committed to transformational change.
Finally, the team welcomes a very special guest: superstar producer Clay Carnill. As Clay prepares to leave the show, the hosts reflect on his incredible contributions to Outrage + Optimism—from the early days to now. Known for his humour, joy, unparalleled talent, attention-to-detail, professionalism, musicality and general all-round awesomeness, Clay has been a cornerstone of the podcast’s success. He will be deeply missed by the entire team.
We send Clay off with all our love—and best wishes for him (and the Detroit Lions!) on the journey ahead.
🎧 Tune in for reflections, critiques, and heartfelt goodbyes.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
December Mailbag Episode
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GUEST
Clay Carnill
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274. COP29: From Billions to Trillions - G20 Calls for Ambition in Climate Finance
This week, our hosts talk about what’s been happening - and not happening - in Rio and Baku.
Christiana clarifies the mandate of COPs and advocates for COP processes and presidencies to be separate from national positions and interests while robustly defending multi-lateralism.
The hosts discuss how world leaders meeting in Rio for the G20 meeting have sent a powerful political signal to those meeting in COP29 in Baku: a need for "rapidly and substantially scaling up climate finance from billions to trillions from all sources".
The hosts are joined by Sue Reid, Climate Finance Advisor at Global Optimism who is on the ground in Baku. Together, they discuss what outcomes to expect as negotiators race towards the finish line in the second and final week of COP29.
Sue Reid shares her optimism at leading investors at the pinnacle of the finance food chain calling for the same commitments in climate and nature as leading civil society advocates and developing countries. The hosts and Sue talk about the critical importance of innovative mechanisms to achieve the climate financing needed and the outsized impact of public finance to leverage and enable private finance.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
G20 Rio de Janeiro Leaders Declaration
GUEST
Sue Reid, Climate Finance Advisor to Christiana Figueres at Global Optimism
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273. COP29 Live: Bigger, Better, Bolder. Updating NDCs in Line with 1.5C
Recorded live from COP29 in the UK Pavilion in Baku, Bigger, Better, Bolder: Updating NDCs in Line with 1.5 Degrees captures an energetic dialogue on the crucial role of bold leadership in climate action. Moderated by Tom, this dynamic session dives into why governments must ambitiously update their Nationally Determined Contributions (NDCs) to meet the 1.5°C goal, recognizing this decade as a pivotal chance to shape a sustainable future.
Kicking off with insights from Ed Miliband, the UK’s Secretary of State for Energy Security and Net Zero, we explore how the UK’s ambitious NDC exemplifies targets aligned with scientific guidelines, the public’s mandate, and the need for investment-ready, collaborative action.
Tom also welcomes Emma Pinchbeck, CEO, Climate Change Committee and Russell Read, Lead Delegate, We Are Family Foundation to unpack how real-economy and societal stakeholders can drive meaningful NDC implementation. He talks to Nigel Topping, non-executive Director of the National Wealth Fund and Diana Layfield, Chair of British International Investment about the critical role business plays in inspiring investment and innovation both domestically and internationally.
The session concludes as Ana Toni, Brazil’s National Secretary for Climate Change, joins Ed Miliband in a live Q&A, discussing how partnerships between major powers, such as Brazil and the UK, can accelerate global climate progress before the mid-decade tipping point.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUESTS
The Rt Hon Ed Miliband MP, UK Secretary of State for Energy Security and Net Zero
Emma Pinchbeck, CEO of Climate Change Committee
Russell Reed, lead delegate for the We Are Family Foundation
Nigel Topping, Non-exec director of National Wealth Fund and COP26 Climate Champion
Diana Layfield, Chair of British International Investment
HE Ana Toni, National Secretary for Climate Change at the Ministry of Environment and Climate Change, from Brazil as COP30 Presidency
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272. COP29 Live: From Call to Action with Barbados Prime Minister Mia Mottley and UK Foreign Secretary David Lammy
Recorded Live at the UK COP Pavilion and moderated by Tom, ‘From Call to Action: the Bridgetown Initiative and delivering Global Financial System Reform’ is an inspiring conversation between Barbados Prime Minister Mia Mottley and Foreign Secretary, UK, David Lammy.
Mia Mottley called the world to action when she released the initial Bridgetown Initiative at UNGA in 2022. Now in its third iteration, the Bridgetown Initiative brings together an ambitious and holistic set of calls for reforms to make the Global Financial System more inclusive, more shock-responsive, and better scaled to meet the financing challenges and needs for developing countries.
The UK is ready to stand up to face those challenges head-on. As a G7 country with the largest sustainable financial centre in the world, a track-record of delivering financial innovations and influencing the global debate, a key voice in the governance of the System, the UK has a strong track-record and platform to deliver.
And deliver we must: the global financial system needs to deliver a fairer deal for developing countries.
This conversation is a frank discussion between two leading voices to understand the problems, identify solutions, and drive reforms to create a world free of poverty on a liveable planet.
Huge thanks goes to UK COP Pavilion for allowing us to use their audio recording of this conversation. To watch more live events from COP 29 make sure to follow their YouTube channel here
NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUESTS
The Honourable Mia Mottley, SC, MP, Prime Minister of Barbados
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The Rt Hon David Lammy, Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs of the United Kingdom
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271. Getting Nature on the Balance Sheet
This week, Paul and Tom are joined by Tony Goldner, from the Taskforce on Nature-related Financial Disclosures.
Tony helps make sense of what happened at the recent Biodiversity COP in Colombia and discusses the many ways that nature is starting to appear on business’ and regulators’ agendas. Companies are waking up to the fact that their resilience depends on the resilience of nature.
Many companies are in the process of developing and setting long-term transition plans to net-zero. Tony explains that as biodiversity and nature-loss risks mount, businesses need to also consider that nature-based dependencies, risks, and mitigations should be put in place.
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Tony Goldner, TNFD Executive Director
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270. What Does This Trump Presidency Mean for Climate?
As the news of Donald Trump’s 2024 US election victory makes headlines around the world, Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson unpack Trump and Harris’s campaign and discuss the implications of a Trump-led administration on US climate ambition, both domestically and internationally. Or as Tom puts it, “What the hell just happened in the US?”
Join the hosts as they analyze potential shifts in policy, how business and finance could counterbalance federal setbacks, and what this means for COP29, NDCs, and global multilateral efforts. During their discussion, the hosts pose some crucial questions: how would a US withdrawal from the Paris Agreement impact global decarbonisation progress? What role will China play as the climate leadership landscape shifts?
Amidst these turbulent times, we’re thrilled to inject a dose of much needed optimism by welcoming Congresswoman-Elect Yassamin Ansari to Outrage + Optimism. Fresh from her election to the US House of Representatives for Arizona’s 3rd District, Yassamin joins us with her inspiring perspective on leading progressive change at the federal level. Her election, which makes her the second ever Iranian American to be elected to Congress, brings hope for resilient climate leadership despite federal setbacks.
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Congresswoman-Elect Yassamin Ansari
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269. COP16: Making Peace with Nature?
This week, Christiana has a fascinating window into the Biodiversity COP negotiations underway in Colombia. From Cali, she’s joined by Freya Newman and Irene Suarez Perez from the Global Optimism team who give us the lowdown into what’s going on inside and outside the negotiating rooms. They tell what’s unique about Colombia hosting, how it’s given a platform to indigenous and local community voices; and why business is talking about love as well as finance.
Also joining Christiana from Cali is Monica Medina, a fellow with Conservation International and the US’ first Special Envoy for Biodiversity. They have an animated chat about the essential interdependence of climate and biodiversity, and Medina shares her optimism about a new oceans fund. And they take a deep (and refreshingly nerdy!) dive into DSI - digital sequencing information - and how we can ensure lucrative genetic codes, often found in the Global South, are fairly compensated and reimbursed.
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Monica Medina, Arnhold Distinguished Fellow at Conservation International, former Assistant Secretary of State for Oceans, Environment and Science and the first US Special Envoy for Biodiversity and Water Resources
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268. Rewilding The World with Ben Goldsmith and Stephen Fry
This week, as part of our focus on biodiversity during COP 16, we're excited to share a special crossover episode! In the first part of this exciting episode, join Christiana, Tom, and Ben Goldsmith for an insightful conversation about rewilding and its global impact, followed by a full episode of Ben's inspiring podcast Rewilding The World featuring UK national treasure, writer and actor, Stephen Fry.
In his conversation with the hosts, Ben explores the concept of rewilding, its potential to reshape ecosystems worldwide, and the critical role grassroots community projects play in this movement.
Ben Goldsmith is a pioneer in green investment and a driving force behind the rewilding movement in Britain and across Europe. Don't miss this thought-provoking discussion on the future of biodiversity and rewilding!
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Ben Goldsmith, co-founder and board member of Nattergal and host of Rewilding the World podcast
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267. The Rio Trio: A Cocktail of COPs
This week, our hosts dive into The Rio Trio! No, this is not the name of a new cocktail but three COPs (Biodiversity in Colombia, Climate in Azerbaijan and Desertification in Saudi Arabia) which are about to happen back-to-back. Plus the plastics treaty negotiations in South Korea.
Join our hosts for their take on the history of these three different but interrelated COPs, all conceived in the Earth Summit in Rio in 1992. How have they evolved, and how might they continue to evolve to be fit for purpose in a changed world? Since this subject is complex, Christiana uses her get-out clause and phones a special friend for much-needed clarity.
Christiana also asks the question: If we had a blank slate now, would it make more sense to kick start a process based on all nine planetary boundaries? Would this help us focus holistically on the interconnected challenges we face? Sit back and listen as the hosts try to make sense of this negotiating super season for the planet and all its peoples.
Please keep tuned for special and in-depth coverage from the Outrage + Optimism team to guide you through each of these key moments.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
How COPs are organised - Questions and answers
From Cancun to Durban: Implications for Climate and Multilateral Diplomacy by HE Patricia Espinosa
COP16 host Colombia pushes for unified UN climate and nature pledges
COP Presidencies Launch ‘Rio Trio’
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Richard Kinley, President, Foundation for Global Governance and Sustainability and former senior official at the UN Climate Change Secretariat (UNFCCC) from 1993 to 2017. He served as Deputy Executive Secretary from 2006 to 2017 and was intimately involved in the development of UNFCCC as an organization from its establishment and in its management and operations.
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266. Is it OK to Have Children in a Climate Crisis?
In the final episode of our How to Live a Good Life series, Tom, Paul and Christiana discuss the personal quandary of whether or not to have children in the midst of what appears to be significant climate breakdown.
The questions they ponder are complex and philosophical: should we bring children into a world that is, some might say, collapsing? Would you consider having children is immoral, since more people living on the planet leads to greater consumption and emissions, thus exacerbating the problem? Or is having a child the greatest act of hope for the future that anyone can choose to make?
The hosts approach this issue from different perspectives, opening up about their personal lives and addressing questions and comments sent in by listeners. We hope to offer you some clarity on this topic, or at least some comfort that even the greatest minds in the climate space sometimes have to take leaps of faith.
This is the final episode in the series. We really hope you have enjoyed these episodes. As always, we would love to hear from you so please get in touch.
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Four in 10 young people fear having children due to climate crisis The Guardian, September 2021
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‘I am starting to panic about my child’s future’: climate scientists wary of starting families, The Guardian, May 2024
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Resources and Consumption: Data from Population Matters
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265. Monster Hurricanes are Caused by Them
Newsflash: In this urgent episode recorded on Friday, October 11th, Tom, Paul, and Christiana come together to discuss the devastation caused by Hurricanes Helene and Milton. The hosts express their frustration with the conspiracy theories circulating in the wake of the latest hurricane Milton - at a time when solidarity is needed most. They also dive into the harsh reality that the fossil fuel industry lies at the heart of the destruction. In This Episode:
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The hosts break down the undeniable science linking man-made global warming to the increasing intensity of hurricanes around the world.
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As private insurers withdraw from Florida, leaving homeowners and businesses without coverage, the hosts examine the crisis' wide-reaching effects, particularly on the most vulnerable populations.
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A deep dive into the dangerous disinformation spread by key Republican figures, tracing the real cause of man-made extreme weather back to the fossil fuel industry.
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The episode closes with sincere condolences for those across the globe who have lost lives and livelihoods due to extreme weather events.
Join us for an insightful conversation on climate accountability, disinformation, and the forces fueling these devastating changes to our environment.
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Weather Catastrophes and Climate Change: Is There Still Hope for Us? The People of the State of California vs. Big Oil Learn more about the Paris Agreement. It’s official, we’re a TED Audio Collective Podcast - Proof! Check out more podcasts from The TED Audio Collective Please follow us on social media! Twitter | Instagram | LinkedIn
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264. What Should I Eat in a Climate Crisis?
SHOW NOTES:
In the penultimate episode of our How to Live a Good Life in a Climate Crisis, our hosts talk about food and food systems. How can we enjoy meals while eating responsibly?
Tom, Paul and Christiana find it difficult to digest our lopsided relationship with food, in which more than two billion people face food insecurity and a third of all food goes to waste.
The conversation is free-range - the hosts reveal what shaped their own rituals around eating. They look at how humanity’s relationship with food went from trust to anxiety, from abundance to scarcity. They argue the merits of different veggie burgers.
About a third of all human-caused greenhouse gas emissions is linked to food. To limit global warming while feeding a growing population, every part of the food system - from farming to refrigeration - must become cleaner and more efficient.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
More than a billion people obese worldwide, research suggests
Outrage + Optimism: Our Story of Nature, From Rupture to Reconnection
Outrage + Optimism: Yuval Noah Harari on the History of Our Future
Outrage + Optimism: 2% for 1.5 with Yuval Noah Harari
Outrage + Optimism: Going Beyond Meat with Ethan Brown
Outrage + Optimism: Hungry for Alternatives?
Environmental Impacts of Food Production
How to reduce the carbon footprint of your food
Fishing boat caught with Illegal 18-mile-long nets
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263. What Career Should I Have in a Climate Crisis?
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262. Is it OK to Fly in a Climate Crisis?
Is it OK to Fly in a Climate Crisis?
In episode 2 of our How To Live A Good Life in a Climate Crisis series, the hosts grapple with one of most divisive issues for those concerned with climate change - is it ok to fly, when flying is responsible for the bulk of our personal carbon footprints, and when 80% of the world never sets foot on a plane?
Tom, Paul and Christiana dive into this thorny issue from three different perspectives. Putting forward the case for and against flying, the hosts touch on the miracle of flying, the potential of sustainable aviation fuels and offsets, and the joys of train travel! They hope that these tricky conversations will be a springboard for further and deeper conversations for listeners.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
How much does aviation contribute to climate change? How will this change in the future?
Why do aircraft leave contrails in the sky?
Europe Talks Flying: navigating public opinion on aviation and climate
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261. How to Live a Good Life in a Climate Crisis - Introduction
In episode 1 of our How To Live A Good Life in a Climate Crisis series, the Outrage + Optimism hosts introduce you to their new mini series and discuss how they define a good life.
For the next few weeks, Tom, Paul and Christiana will explore questions that you, the listeners, have asked us to address, around what it means to live a good life at this pivotal moment, facing uncertainty and judgments. They’ll talk about whether we should fly, what we eat, how to enjoy a meaningful career and whether or not we should have children.
This free ranging discussion attempts to shine a light on the interplay between the largest issue facing humanity - the climate crisis - and the difference each of us can make.
Although this series concerns itself with individual action, part of our role is to call on governments and other institutions to precipitate systemic change.
Please don’t expect any right or wrong answers! Tom, Paul and Christiana will not prescribe you the ingredients for the perfect life! They will share their own insights, stories and struggles. And after listening there’s a good chance you might feel more confused - we only hope you’ll be confused at a deeper level.
We’d love to hear what you think.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
Understanding Ireland Citizen Visions of a Good Life 2030
Fifty Ways to Start a Climate Conversation
Climate Week NYC: Love is the Answer
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The Deep Time Walk: Celebrating Stephan Harding 1953-2024
Since Dr Stephan Harding passed away in September 2024, he has been deeply mourned by the climate community, many of whom have been touched and inspired by his life and work. In honour of his extraordinary contributions to our understanding of this beautiful planet, we’re re-releasing the Deep Time Walk, narrated by Stephan, and which has already been downloaded over a million times.
This re-release includes an introduction by hosts Paul and Tom, and Tom’s eulogy, which he shared at Stephan’s memorial service on 30th September.
Stephan Harding was a founding member of Schumacher College where he was a Deep Ecology Research Fellow, celebrated teacher and author.
As a celebration of this remarkable and beloved man, we hope you enjoy his history of Gaia, told through immersive sound. We encourage you to set aside time to sit comfortably, relax, and learn to “walk well into the life of Gaia” as Stephan puts it. Stephan has had a massive influence on the climate movement, inspiring global leaders to shift their world view towards a Gaian view. We have the privilege of sharing an exercise of that shift with all of you.
Enjoy and RIP Dr Stephan Harding.
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How to Live a Good Life in a Climate Crisis
The Outrage + Optimism team are excited to bring you a series that confronts the big questions we ask ourselves whilst living in a climate crisis.
Join hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett Carnac and Paul Dickinson as they grapple with issues like what we should eat, whether we should fly, and how to live with purpose and joy in these uncertain and overwhelming times.
First and second episodes released on 3 October.
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260. The UK is Back! with David Lammy
In this special weekend edition of the podcast, hosts Tom, Christiana, and Paul catch up with The Rt Hon David Lammy, the UK’s new Secretary of State for the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs Office. In a fascinating conversation, they delve into his decision to place climate change at the heart of his first major speech as Foreign Secretary and discuss why he sees the climate emergency as a national security issue. The Foreign Secretary expresses his outrage at recent trends which have seen climate change used as a political ping pong issue and shares insights into how we might build consensus across parties on the climate and nature agenda.
The hosts also take a moment to congratulate him on the appointment of friend of the podcast, Rachel Kyte, as the UK’s new Climate Envoy.
Tune in to hear the full conversation and discover why the Foreign Secretary’s answers convince the hosts that the UK is once again a global leader in climate action.Make sure to tune in Thursday October 3rd to our brand new five-part series called How To Live a Good Life in a Climate Crisis. Exploring dilemmas around issues like flying, food and parenting, the hosts explore how we might still have meaningful and good lives amidst the overwhelm and turmoil of the climate crisis.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
Rachel Kyte Appointed as the UK’s Special Representative for Climate
The Kew Lecture: UK Foreign Secretary David Lammy’s speech on the climate crisis
David Lammy’s TED Talk: Climate Justice can’t happen without racial justice
The Sophia Point Rainforest Research Centre
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The Rt Hon David Lammy, Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs of the United Kingdom
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259. Live! From Climate Week NYC with Mission 2025
In this special episode, our hosts are live at Climate Week New York, joined onstage by a stellar line-up of influential voices from government, the private sector, science, civil society and academia.
This flagship event highlights how transformative climate strategies can be supercharged. The conversation centers on the push for ‘positive tipping points’ across three key themes: energy, nature & food, and finance. Supported by Mission 2025 Partners and convened by Groundswell – a collaboration between Global Optimism, Bezos Earth Fund, and Systems Change Lab – alongside the Climate Group, the event showcases leaders from various sectors driving impactful change.
Mission 2025 is a coalition of bold leaders, including mayors, governors, CEOs, investors, athletes, musicians, and everyday citizens, all rallying governments to strengthen their national climate commitments (Nationally Determined Contributions) in alignment with the Paris Agreement goal of limiting global warming to 1.5°C.
Known as the 'Defenders of Paris,' Mission 2025 Partners arrived at Climate Week NYC with exciting updates. New organizations are stepping up to support governments in setting more ambitious climate plans, accelerating action that can unlock trillions in private investment, boost renewable energy, help industries thrive in a low-carbon economy, and ensure equitable living standards for all.
Tune in to hear the latest from Climate Week NYC and how global leaders are working together to shape a sustainable future!
NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUESTS
Simon Stiell, Executive Secretary of UN Climate Change
Jennifer Morgan, Special Envoy for International Climate Action
Tim Lenton, Professor of Earth System Science at University of Exeter
Veena Balakrishnan, Political Scientist, Intersectional Environmentalist. Co - Founder, Youth Negotiators Academy
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Renata Koch Alvarenga, Disaster Risk Financing Specialist, World Bank I Master of Public Policy, Harvard University I Founder and Executive Director, EmpoderaClima
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Vaishali Nigam Sinha, Co-Founder of ReNew and Chairperson Sustainability
Günther Thallinger, Member of the Board of Management of Allianz SE, Investment Management, Sustainability
Peter Bakker, President & CEO at World Business Council for Sustainable Development (WBCSD)
Helen Clarkson, Chief Executive Officer at Climate Group
Nigar Arpadarai, Climate Change High-Level Champion for COP29
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HE Ana Toni, National Secretary for Climate Change at the Ministry of Environment and Climate Change, from Brazil as COP30 Presidency
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258. The Climate Pledge Turns Five
This week, The Climate Pledge turns five and Tom and Christiana talk to Kara Hurst, Chief Sustainability Officer at Amazon, to reflect on the journey of this initiative co-founded by Amazon and Global Optimism.
At the top of the episode, Tom and Christiana anticipate the frantic and sometimes frustrating weeks ahead in this hectic period for those working in climate, and as wild weather continues to wreak havoc, Christiana and Tom invite us to pause for a moment. How can we listen and better contribute? How can we roll up our sleeves - with hope - and get to work on having a positive impact and building momentum?
In their thoughtful interview with Kara, the hosts reflect on how The Climate Pledge has grown over the last five years to over 500 signatories - companies who share an ambition to innovate, accelerate joint action and collaborate across sectors to get to net zero carbon emissions by 2040, ten years earlier than the Paris Agreement.
Kara, Tom and Christiana discuss the specific challenges companies face and the solutions and strategies they’re adopting to meet targets. Sharing failures has been just as valuable as sharing successes because, as Tom points out, none of us have decarbonised the global economy before. Unafraid to go deep, they question how we would reduce emissions and redesign society if we kept in mind the earth’s atmosphere.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
Outrage + Optimism, Live at Climate Week NYC
Event Title: It’s Time To Unite For Mission 2025
Event Details: Tuesday 24th September, 12:00 - 13:00 ET, Glasshouse (NYC)
Event Description: Mission 2025 is a coalition of courageous leaders - mayors, governors, CEOs, investors, athletes, musicians and citizens - who are inviting governments to ratchet upcoming national climate plans (known as Nationally Determined Contributions) in line with the Paris Agreement target of limiting global warming to 1.5C.
Described as ‘Defenders of Paris’, Mission 2025 Partners arrive at Climate Week New York with a major update of new organizations who are ready to embolden governments to set more ambitious plans and accelerate implementation because they know this can unlock trillions in private investment, scale cheap renewable energy, support industries to compete in a low carbon economy, and safeguard living standards equitably for our people.
As a live recorded Outrage + Optimism podcast, this flagship event will demonstrate how these plans can be upgraded by showcasing government and real economy leaders who are driving towards ‘positive tipping points’ across the three themes of energy, nature & food, and finance.
The event is supported by the Mission 2025 Partners and convened by Groundswell – a collaboration between Global Optimism, Bezos Earth Fund and Systems Change Lab – together with the Climate Group.
Registering: Please reach out to groundswell@globaloptimism.com if you are interested in joining this event
The Climate Pledge and C40 Cities Launch Laneshift
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Kara Hurst, Chief Sustainability Officer at Amazon
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257. What If We Get It Right?
This week, Christiana shares her awe and admiration for the athletes at Paris’ Paralympics after being lucky enough to experience some of the games first-hand. Can these incredible athletes inspire us to think and act differently on climate change?
As global barometers measure the hottest August ever recorded, the hosts talk about extreme heat and its impact on children - affecting their health, their education and even placing them at increased risk of child marriage.
Tom quizzes Paul and Christiana about the events of 12th January 1882 (hint: coal-fired power stations) and celebrates the news that the UK will close its last coal-fired power station later this month. Paul meanwhile is emphatic that nations and businesses need A Plan to Decarbonise.
This week, Christiana is in conversation with Dr. Ayana Elizabeth Johnson, a marine biologist, policy expert and writer. Ayana co-founded the non-profit think tank Urban Ocean Lab, co-edited the bestselling climate anthology All We Can Save, and was the co-host of the How to Save a Planet podcast. Her upcoming anthology is What If We Get it Right?: Visions of Climate Futures. Christiana and Ayana discuss the ocean’s bounty of climate solutions; renewable offshore energy, carbon-absorbing wetlands and mangroves, and seaweeds and shellfish to feed people.
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Dr. Ayana Elizabeth Johnson, Marine Biologist, Policy Expert, and Writer LinkedIn | Instagram | X | Website
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NOTES AND RESOURCES
Outrage + Optimism launches its new Listening Journeys
Recycled bottle tops and tables made from shuttlecocks - the greenest Olympics? BBC, July 2024
World’s warmest August completes hottest boreal summer on record, Copernicus Climate Change Service, September 2024
Summer 2024 is the hottest on record making it likely this will be the hottest year ever, Euronews, September 2024
Almost half a billion children live in areas experiencing at least twice as many extremely hot days as their grandparents, UNICEF report, August 2024
Bangladesh: IRC study reveals a staggering 39% surge in child marriage due to climate change, December 2023
Britain’s Reliance on coal-fired power set to end after 140 years, FT, September 2024
Chris Stark to lead Mission Control to deliver clean power by 2030
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256. We're Back! With a Cascade of Climate News
Welcome back to Season 10! With the hosts together again following our break, Tom, Paul and Christiana are bursting with news and analysis.
Up for discussion this week, the hosts try to understand why the Democrats haven’t been talking much about climate change and what drives Kamala Harris’ outrage and optimism. They delve deeper into the UK’s new Labour Government’s plans around energy, nature and climate change.
Plus the hosts scan the horizon for the consequential moments in climate policy, with UNGA, Climate Week NYC and two COPs hurtling towards us.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
Outrage + Optimism, Live at Climate Week NYC
Event Title: It’s Time To Unite For Mission 2025
Event Details: Tuesday 24th September, 12:00 - 13:00 ET, Glasshouse (NYC)
Event Description: Mission 2025 is a coalition of courageous leaders - mayors, governors, CEOs, investors, athletes, musicians and citizens - who are inviting governments to ratchet upcoming national climate plans (known as Nationally Determined Contributions) in line with the Paris Agreement target of limiting global warming to 1.5C.
Described as ‘Defenders of Paris’, Mission 2025 Partners arrive at Climate Week New York with a major update of new organizations who are ready to embolden governments to set more ambitious plans and accelerate implementation because they know this can unlock trillions in private investment, scale cheap renewable energy, support industries to compete in a low carbon economy, and safeguard living standards equitably for our people.
As a live recorded Outrage+Optimism podcast, this flagship event will demonstrate how these plans can be upgraded by showcasing government and real economy leaders who are driving towards ‘positive tipping points’ across the three themes of energy, nature & food, and finance.
The event is supported by the Mission 2025 Partners and convened by Groundswell – a collaboration between Global Optimism, Bezos Earth Fund and Systems Change Lab – together with the Climate Group.
Registering: Please reach out to groundswell@globaloptimism.com if you are interested in joining this event
Fact check: Sea levels are already rising faster per year than Trump claims they might rise over ‘next 497 years’ CNN, June 2024
Trump’s chat with Musk on X fact-checked BBC, August 2024
Climate Concerns Dip - Monmouth University Poll, May 2024
Labour Government’s In-Tray for Climate Change, Energy and Nature Carbon Brief
Watch Sherman Guity win Costa Rica a Gold Medal in the Paralympics 100m
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255. US Election Special: Is a Win for Harris a Win for Climate?
Newsflash: In an emergency podcast session recorded on Monday, July 22nd, we delve into President Biden’s announcement that he will not seek re-election. Following his endorsement of Vice President Kamala Harris as the Democratic Presidential Nominee, we bring you a comprehensive analysis of this pivotal moment in U.S. politics.
In this episode:- Kamala Harris’s Strong Record on Climate Action: A deep dive into her achievements and policies aimed at combating climate change.
- President Biden’s Climate Legacy: Reflecting on the significant environmental strides made during his tenure as he enters his final six months in office.
- Election Speculation: Could Harris defeat Trump? Is America ready for its first Black female president? We discuss the potential outcomes and implications of this historic candidacy.
- Optimism for the Future: Assessing the prospects of a Harris victory and what it could mean for climate action and environmental policies.
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254. Elections Roundup
In this week's Election Special Roundup, our hosts delve into Labour’s recent victory in the UK, offering detailed analysis tailored for both UK and non-UK listeners. They cover the key events and implications from both before and after the election, providing a comprehensive overview of the political landscape.
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Labour’s Win in the UK: In-depth discussion on Labour's success, including the factors leading to their victory and its potential impact on the UK political scene as well as key figures in Starmer’s cabinet that will play a key role in climate going forward.
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UK and French Elections: Celebration of the defeat of far-right factions in both countries, examining the broader implications for European politics.
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US Politics: A brief look at the challenges facing the Democratic Party, especially in light of President Biden’s underwhelming performance in his recent televised debate with former President Trump.
Season Finale: As we wrap up this season, we want to thank our listeners for their support. Have an amazing summer holiday, and we look forward to returning in September with more discussions on climate action, political debates, and much more.
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253. Mid-2024 Climate Review: How Are We Doing?
In our penultimate episode of the season, hosts Christiana, Tom, and Paul delve into a reflection on the year 2024 so far. This episode takes a deep dive into recent events, including London Climate Action Week, the global political landscape, and the clean energy transformation, all viewed through a climate lens.
Optimistic Outlook:Christiana shares positive news about upcoming trade agreements involving Costa Rica, Switzerland, Iceland, and New Zealand, which aim to eliminate tariffs on environmental goods.
Looking Ahead:The hosts speculate on what the latter half of the year might bring for climate action and global policies as we anticipate UNGA, New York Climate Week, COP 16 and COP 29 to name but a few.
Upcoming Episode:We will be back for a short episode early next week, dedicated to understanding the election results in the UK and France.
Farewell for Now:The hosts and the O+O team wish you a restful summer holiday. Stay connected for announcements and content on our social media channels as we take a brief break from the airwaves.
Thank you for tuning in!
NOTES AND RESOURCES
Dawn of the Solar Age article from the Economist as mentioned by Tom
Details of the trade agreement between Costa Rica, New Zealand, Iceland and Switzerland as mentioned by Christiana
UK Citizen? Learn How To Vote Here
French Citizen? Learn How To Vote Here
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252. Mission 2025: It's Time For Leaders To Lead (Recorded Live!)
This week, we recorded live from London Climate Action Week at the Mission 2025 launch event. Tom Rivett-Carnac was joined by guests Andrew Steer (Bezos Earth Fund), Adair Turner (ETC), Isabelle Noero (Earthrise), Hein Schumacher (Unilever), Tamsin Ballard (PRI), Karen Pflug (INGKA Group) and Nigar Arpadarai (COP29 Champion). Hear their conversations about how to act on climate with speed and scale.
Moving faster on tackling the climate crisis is too difficult, too unpopular or too expensive, right? Wrong! This week a new high-ambition coalition of business, mayors, investors, health leaders, athletes, youth activists, scientists and citizens was launched to call on governments to move even faster on climate action. Over 20 organisations have joined Mission 2025, to say: "We are ready to embolden governments to set more ambitious plans and accelerate implementation. We know this can unlock trillions in private investment to protect our nature, scale cheap renewable energy, support industries to compete in a low carbon economy, and safeguard living standards equitably for our people." Mission 2025 is a much needed effort to unlock the momentum needed for this transition to happen at the speed and scale required, and with the equity deserved. Because holding the line on 1.5°C is not an aspirational target – it is a scientific imperative.
We hope you enjoy this lively conversation!
NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUESTS
Andrew Steer, President and CEO of the Bezos Earth Fund
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Lord Adair Turner, Chair of the Energy Transitions Commission
Isabella Noero, Head of Collaborative Partnerships at Earthrise Studio
Hein Schumacher, CEO of Unilever
Tamsin Ballard, Chief Initiatives Officer at PRI
Karen Pflug, Chief Sustainability Officer at Ingka Group
Nigar Arpadarai, UN Climate Change High-Level Champion for COP29 Azerbaijan
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Presenting: 'We Are The Great Turning'
This week, something unique for our listeners from the podcast 'We Are The Great Turning'.
As Joanna Macy approaches the end of a long life dedicated to healing our imperiled planet, she begins the conversation with Jessica Serrante, her student and dear friend, “standing afresh with what it’s like to live on Earth at this moment.”
As we look into the face of the climate crisis, injustice, and war, difficult feelings arise; all are welcomed.
You are invited to join them at Joanna’s kitchen table, and invited into a deeper sense of your belonging and love for our world.
In this episode:
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How to connect with the great possibilities that still exist for us even in these precarious times Joanna reflects on her awakening of environmental consciousness
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Jess reflects on how meeting Joanna changed her life
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Love, laughter, heartbreak, and the Work That Reconnects
We recommend starting a podcast club with friends or family to do these practices together. Links and assets to help prompt reflection and build community can be found with every episode on WeAreTheGreatTurning.com.
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251. World Refugee Day: Migration In A Post-Climate Change World
This week, Outrage + Optimism celebrate World Refugee Day with an interview with Gaia Vince. The hosts discuss how extreme heat, floods or natural disasters cause tens of millions of people to leave their homes behind. They look at how climate migration is happening now and will only happen faster and with greater impact. With each degree of temperature rise, a billion people will be displaced and huge swathes of the world will become uninhabitable.
Gaia Vince, author of Nomad Century: How to Survive the Climate Upheaval talks to the hosts about the need for what she calls ‘honest pragmatism about human mobility’. With Gaia’s steer, the hosts and Gaia discuss ways we might manage this inevitable movement of people; why the right wing, anti-immigration narrative might resonate but is not rooted in the fact that migrants historically enrich societies, both culturally and financially, and how to implement long-term solutions rather than patch-ups.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
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Vote for Outrage + Optimism in the British Podcast Awards Listeners’ Choice Category!
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Gaia Vince
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NOTES
What is the ‘human climate niche’ and why does it matter?
‘Simple Acts’ for Refugee Week!
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250. Why Collective Trauma Is Keeping Us Stuck On Climate
This week, we go deep into trauma with Thomas Hübl, who developed the Collective Trauma Integration Process for working with individual, ancestral, and collective trauma. With the help of Thomas, hear our hosts unpack why, and how, we have to keep working on the solutions even as we are still experiencing the trauma of the climate crisis.
Thomas Hübl, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change by integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUEST
Thomas Hübl, Teacher, Author, and International Facilitator
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249. US Elections: Could Trump Surprise Us On Climate?
This week’s episode kicks off with Tom and Paul discussing the critical events shaping global democracy over the last week including Trump’s convictions, the first head to head debate between Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer ahead of the July 4th UK elections and Modi’s unexpected election result. They provide thoughtful analysis of the question: how much is climate change impacting these global democratic events?
We also feature a brilliant conversation Christiana had with Ian Bremmer, President and Founder of Eurasia Group and GZERO Media where they discuss Trump and what his possible re-election could mean for climate action. Could a second Trump administration surprise us on climate?
NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUEST
Ian Bremmer, President and Founder of Eurasia Group and GZERO Media
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248. Cheaper, Faster, Better: How We'll Win the Climate War
This week, Christiana, Tom and Paul bring the politics with a discussion on the upcoming UK election. Our hosts chat to Tom Steyer, Co-Executive Chair of Galvanize Climate Solutions, a mission-driven investment platform, about clean power S-curves, the Climate War and Texas. Christiana questions whether economic competitiveness will win over "political tentacles" in the urgent timeframe we face, particularly in the context of Trump's current position of advantage in the US electoral race. Tune in to hear what Tom Steyer and our co-hosts think.
They also discuss Tom’s new book, Cheaper, Faster, Better: How We’ll Win the Climate War, in which he shares his own story and showcases the inspiring and innovative work of other climate leaders in the clean-energy transition. He shows us how capitalism can be used to scale climate progress, debunks many of the arguments made by fossil fuel companies, and calls on all of us to make stabilizing our planet part of our life's work. As green technology is fast becoming cleaner and cheaper, reshaping our planet's future--and our own--has never been more crucial or within our reach.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUEST
Tom Steyer, Co-Executive Chair, Galvanize Climate Solutions and author of Cheaper, Faster, Better: How We’ll Win the Climate War
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Galvanize Climate Solutions
Proposition 23 Story on Wikipedia
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247. The Pope’s Hope? Biden’s Tariffs and Jeremy Clarkson’s About-Turn
On this week’s show….
Christiana's Corner: Dive into the riveting insights from Christiana as she unpacks the recent CBS interview with the Pope where he declared "Climate change at this moment is a road to death." Discover why she believes stubborn optimism is our strongest ally in turbulent times.
Paul's Perspective: Join Paul as he shines a spotlight on the pressing issue of green tariffs. Get ready for a deep dive into how these tariffs can revolutionize our approach to sustainability.
Tom's Take: Brace yourself for a captivating argument from Tom as he advocates for the redemption of none other than Jeremy Clarkson. It seems his newfound role as a farmer has transformed his outlook on climate change…
Tune in to this week's episode for a whirlwind of thought-provoking discussions and inspiring perspectives!
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246. Trump's Oily Offer, Mobilizing Young Climate Voters and The State of Scientists
This week, with Tom away, our hosts are joined by Dr. Sweta Chakraborty, Climate Behavioural Scientist & CEO of North America, We Don't Have Time. Together they wrestle on the spectrum of outrage and optimism with the news of Trump's message to oil and gas executives, the part young people play in the climate vote and what impact the survey of IPCC scientists published in the Guardian had on the global community.
Please remember to keep sending in your conundrums for our up and coming ‘How to Live a Good Life’ series. Email us at podcast@globaloptimism.com or send a voice message to Outrage + Optimism.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUEST
Dr. Sweta Chakraborty, Climate Behavioural Scientist & CEO of North America, We Don't Have Time
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We Don’t Have Time
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245. Deceit, Small Thinking and Fiduciary Duty
This week, Christiana, Tom and Paul are back together and, as we continue to experiment with a new format, they each bring the topic they are feeling particularly outraged or optimistic about; listen in for discussions about deceitful campaigns by the oil and gas industry dating back to the 1960’s, small thinking in Europe and fiduciary duty with a capital F.
And remember, we need your help. Be part of our new podcast series! We’ll be asking, ‘What does it mean to live a good life in a climate crisis?’ and we'd love to include questions and stories from you. While we are working to change systems, how do we also adapt our everyday lives - eating, traveling, parenting, working - to best fit with the demands of the times? Email us at podcast@globaloptimism.com or send a voice message to Outrage + Optimism.
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244. Movies, Mosses, and Stories to Change The World
This week, Tom and Christiana are in Seattle recording in the Amazon studio where they are joined by special guest Kara Hurst, Chief Sustainability Officer at Amazon. Together they bring you an eclectic mix of topics of outrage and optimism ranging from the introduction of the Bechdel test for climate change, storytelling with the national geographic and mosses!
The nature sounds that close the podcast come from One Square Inch located in the Hoh Rain Forest at Olympic National Park. Thanks goes to Quiet Parks International for allowing us to use the audio of this oasis of calm and quiet. We hope you enjoy it as much as we do!
NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUEST
Kara Hurst, Chief Sustainability Officer at Amazon
MUSIC / SOUND
Gordon Hempton, Bioacoustician and Co-Founder of Quiet Parks International
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Presenting: 'The Anti-Dread Climate Podcast - Does What We Do Really Matter?'
Can one vegan with no car really help the planet?
Today, a special presentation of a podcast we think O+O listeners will love from The Anti-Dread Climate Podcast.
The climate crisis gets more terrifying every year. The impact is undeniable and can feel totally overwhelming. Hope won’t solve it, but neither will hopelessness. A surefire way to manage anxiety and stress over the existential problem threatening our planet is to participate in solutions. So our team is prepared to answer your questions about how you can meaningfully make a difference.
In this episode titled, ‘Does What We Do Really Matter?’, hosts Caleigh Wells and Candice Dickens-Russell tackle a hard question; Why bother taking any individual actions to help the planet if industry and other nations pollute so much that they cancel you out? Caleigh and Candice discuss and invite guest Jiaying Zhao, psychology professor at University of British Columbia, to answer how your daily choices to affect climate change can have an impact but maybe not the way you think.
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The Anti-Dread Climate Podcast
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Caleigh Wells
Host, TADCP, and KCRW Climate Reporter
Candice Dickens-Russell
Environmental Educator, and CEO of Friends of the Los Angeles River
KCRW
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243. Microplastics, Transition Plans and The Beginning of The End of The Climate Crisis?
This week, our hosts each arrive with one specific issue they feel freshly outraged or optimistic about. Tom talks about how Earth Day 2024 will come to be known as the beginning of the end of the climate crisis. Christiana is outraged (and a tiny bit optimistic) about the plastics pandemic. And Paul gets fired up about investor and corporate transition plans - can he convince his co-hosts to ‘light the blue touch paper’ and ignite their own optimism?
Music comes from Cosmo Sheldrake with his song, “Soil”. Cosmo is a UK-based multi-instrumentalist, producer, composer, live improviser, and field recordist. As part of the Museum for the United Nations – UN Live’s new initiative Sounds Right, Cosmo has shared this new track “Soil (feat. NATURE)”, a homage to the powerful transformative and generative capacities of subterranean ecosystems. Money raised will go towards conservation projects around the world.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
23 - 29 April 2024 in Canada - The Fourth Session of the Intergovernmental Negotiating Committee on Plastic Pollution
More on Earth Day 2024
The IEA’s World Energy Outlook 2023 on how it expects CO2 emissions to peak “in the mid-2020s”
First Colour Photograph of the Earth from space
The danger of the very serious person By Pilita Clark in the Financial Times
PAUL’S BOOK TIPS
The Corporation that Changed the World by Nick Robins
MUSICAL GUEST
Cosmo Sheldrake
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NATURE
Check out the feat. NATURE playlist on Spotify
Sounds Right
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Listen to Greg Cochrane speak with Brian Eno about EarthPercent + Sounds Right on Midnight Chats
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242. Xiye Bastida: Her Story of Nature (Earth Day Special)
To mark Earth Day, Christiana shares her conversation with the incredible young climate justice activist, indigenous rights advocate and author Xiye Bastida.
From the Otomi-Toltec indigenous community in Central Mexico, Xiye’s life and work demonstrate how indigenous wisdom and principles unearth solutions to the climate crisis. She is driven to create a climate movement that is more inclusive and more diverse.
Since 2019, Xiye has been actively involved in organising climate strikes with Fridays For Future, including for their largest youth-led march in New York City. In her role as Co-founder and Executive Director of Re-Earth Initiative, Xiye supports frontline youth across 27 countries, whilst also studying for an Environmental Studies degree with a concentration in Policy and a Minor in Latin American Studies at the University of Pennsylvania. Recently listed in TIME100 Next as a phenomenon (we agree!), she holds the UN Spirit Award.
This episode is the full, unedited version of a conversation recorded for the recent mini series Our Story of Nature - From Rupture to Reconnection, co-hosted by Christiana Figueres and Isabel Cavelier. This is a wonderful and moving insight into Xiye’s story of nature, on how to slow down, and how we might keep past and future generations in our minds - and hearts. We hope you enjoy it!
Background on Earth Day:
The first Earth Day was on April 22nd 1970. Across America, twenty million people took to the streets to protest against environmental destruction. Many people were motivated by the devastating impacts of a recent oil spill in California, others campaigned to reduce air pollution. The spirit, scale and power of the protests were inspired by student anti-Vietnam marches.
Denis Hayes, who coordinated the original Earth Day, remembers how the day unified diverset groups: "By the time it finally came around, it was in virtually every town, every village, in the United States. It took this basket of issues that we now call 'the environment' and elevated them spectacularly in the public consciousness."
Earth Day 1970 is described as the dawn of the modern environmental movement. Events that day resulted in political changes: landmark environmental laws were later passed in the United States - the Clean Air and Water Acts - and the Environmental Protection Agency was created. Many other countries subsequently adopted similar laws. In 2016, the United Nations chose Earth Day as the day to sign the Paris Climate Agreement into force.
Earth Day is now the biggest civic event in the world, with billions of people participating in events to highlight the urgent need to protect our planet. Its theme this year is Planet vs. Plastics - calling for widespread awareness on the health risk of plastics, for an end to single use plastics, and for a robust UN Treaty on Plastic Pollution.
NOTES AND RESOURCES More on Xiye Bastida, Co-founder and Director of Re-Earth Initiative
More on Earth Day
Links to Our Story of Nature episodes: Our Story of Nature - From Rupture to Reconnection - Episode 1 Our Story of Nature - From Rupture to Reconnection - Episode 2 Our Story of Nature - From Rupture to Reconnection - Episode 3 Our Story of Nature Intro Music - Catalina by Tru Genesis Other full, unedited interviews from the mini-series can be found HERE
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241. 40 Seconds to Save The World! with Paul Goodenough
This week, the hosts discuss the much celebrated ruling last week at the European Court of Human Rights when over 2000 women aged 64 and up, took the Swiss Government to court for failing to protect them from the growing effects of climate change which proved detrimental to their health. The court in Strasbourg ruled in favour of the women, opening up a pathway for other similar cases to now be heard. The hosts briefly discuss the ruling as well as the backlash experienced among some MPs in the UK and Switzerland and why their accusations of infringement upon country sovereignty is false.
We are then joined by the incredible Paul Goodenough, an award-winning, purpose-driven storyteller and entrepreneur, working in the environmental, charity, peace-building and entertainment sectors. In 2019, Paul co-founded Rewriting Earth (formerly Rewriting Extinction), a global collaboration of 300+ of the most influential storytellers creating non-political, non-judgemental content to reach mainstream audiences not typically engaged with environmental issues. It was a brilliant, fun and inspiring interview - make sure to listen to hear how Paul G describes how he hopes the stories he helps bring to life ‘throw an arm around people’ and welcome them into the climate space. The more the merrier we say!
NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUEST
Paul Goodenough, an award-winning, purpose-driven storyteller and entrepreneur, working in the environmental, charity, peace-building and entertainment sectors Website | LinkedIn | Twitter (X) | Instagram
Rewriting Earth Website | Facebook | Twitter (X) | Instagram
Rewriting Earth’s book, The Most Important Comic Book on Earth: Stories to Save the World, launched in the UK in 2021 and is available at Bookshop.org. The book is launching in Germany next week and is available at Panini Shop.
To listen to our recent mini-series, Our Story of Nature: From Rupture to Reconnection visit the dedicated Website page, which includes unedited versions of interviews with our wonderful guests.
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Presenting: ‘How To Academy Podcast with Christiana Figueres - Facing the Climate Crisis Live In Conversation with Paul Polman’
The How To Academy Podcast is the biweekly show from London’s home of big thinking. Each episode they take a deep dive into the life and ideas of one of the most significant thinkers, artists, or leaders of our time – from Gordon Brown and Bill Clinton to Mary Beard and Marina Abramovic. This episode features a live, on-stage conversation between Christiana Figueres and the former CEO of Unilever, Paul Polman, on the fight to keep the planet within 1.5 degrees of warming.
Visit howtoacademy.com for more podcasts, live events, and livestreams with the world’s leading thinkers.
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240. Two Years to Save The World? With Simon Stiell
In this week’s episode, Tom files an exclusive report live from London, where he's on the ground covering Simon Stiell's highly anticipated Chatham House speech, "Two Years to Save the World". Not stopping there, Tom also snags a quick interview with Simon right after the event.
Back in the studio, Christiana, Paul, and Tom dive headfirst into the heart of Simon's speech. They navigate through the maze of mixed public reactions it sparked, delving into the underlying tensions it brought to light.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUEST
Simon Stiell, Executive Secretary at United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC)
Here are two links to excellent initiatives seeking to help investors evaluate government performance on policy:
ASCOR: https://www.ascorproject.org/
Climatescope: https://www.global-climatescope.org/
Check out Greg Cochrane’s LinkedIn Post on Billie Eilish’s Vinyl Release
Extended Listening - Be sure to listen + subscribe to both Sounds Like A Plan + Midnight Chats
Listen + Subscribe to The Way Out Is In!
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239. Krista Tippett: Her Story of Nature
In this week's special episode, while our team takes a well-deserved break, we're excited to present an exclusive, unedited conversation between Christiana Figueres, Isabel Cavelier Adarve, and the award-winning Krista Tippett, host of "On Being." Join us as we delve into "Our Story of Nature: From Rupture to Reconnection."
Take a moment to relax and immerse yourself in this expansive and inspiring dialogue. Krista opens up about her personal thoughts, feelings, and experiences with nature, offering a fresh perspective that's sure to leave a lasting impact. Get ready to see the natural world in a whole new light after tuning in!
Krista Tippett is a Peabody Award-winning broadcaster, New York Times bestselling author, and host of the acclaimed podcast "On Being." Renowned for her insightful interviews exploring the intersection of spirituality, ethics, and humanity, Tippett's work fosters meaningful dialogue and reflection. With her distinctive blend of curiosity and empathy, she invites listeners to engage in conversations that inspire deeper understanding and connection in today's complex world.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUEST
Krista Tippett, award-winning journalist, author and host of On Being podcast
Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook
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238. Impatient for Change with Hannah Ritchie
This week, the hosts welcome Hannah Ritchie, Deputy Editor at Our World in Data and a Senior Researcher at the University of Oxford as our guest and discuss her book ‘Not the End of the World, How We Can Be the First Generation to Build a Sustainable Planet’.
In this compelling episode, join the hosts and special guest Hannah as they delve into the intricate dynamics of data, cautious optimism, and doom narratives within the climate community. Don't miss out as we explore the crucial role these elements play in shaping perspectives and driving action. Plus, Hannah treats us to an insightful reading from her remarkable work, offering a poignant addition to our discussion. Tune in for a thought-provoking dialogue you won't want to miss!
Music comes from Fran Lusty with her pop-folk ballad ‘I Hate My Job’. Fran is an Indie-folk singer-songwriter born in Cambridge with Norwegian roots, see her pages below to listen to more of her soul-stirring nature inspired songs.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUEST
Hannah Ritchie, Deputy Editor at Our World in Data and a Senior Researcher at the University of Oxford Sustainability by numbers | Our World in Data | Twitter (X)
You can buy her book here: Not the End of the World, How We Can Be the First Generation to Build a Sustainable Planet
MUSIC
Fran Lusty
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People of the State of California v. Big Oil / The text of the lawsuit is here
Our Story of Nature, Deep Dive Series Website
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237. Our Story of Nature: From Rupture to Reconnection - Over to You!
This week, our hosts are rejoined by the incredible Isabel Cavelier Adarve. Tune in to hear them answer some of the brilliant questions listeners sent in following Christiana’s and Isa’s launch of their masterful recent mini-series, Our Story of Nature: From Rupture to Reconnection. Christiana, Isabel, Tom and Paul muse on an intriguing range of questions from ‘how to teach citizens and governments about nature’ to ‘could bioliteracy transform things’? The hosts dive deep into philosophical questions about the role of religion, and more prosaic ones about supermarket food. They propose that it is possible, if we want, to sustain, and improve our relationships with nature wherever we are, whether in the heart of the city, or deep in the forest. Also, Tom tries to read out a question in Spanish and threatens to mastermind a presidential bid on behalf of Christiana! NOTES AND RESOURCES Isabel Cavelier Adarve, Co-Founder of Mundo Comun LinkedIn | Twitter Links to Our Story of Nature episodes: Our Story of Nature - From Rupture to Reconnection - Episode 1 Our Story of Nature - From Rupture to Reconnection - Episode 2 Our Story of Nature - From Rupture to Reconnection - Episode 3
Our Story of Nature Intro Music - Catalina by Tru Genesis
More on Xiye Bastida who features in the show.
Paul’s Book Recommendation - Small is Beautiful by E.F. Schumacher
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236. SOTU: Unpacking Biden's Vision and The IRA
This week, we bring you a US democracy special, discussing Joe Biden’s energetic State of the Union Address in which climate action played a significant role, and also the new guidelines from the Securities and Exchange Commission, a move which has seen the Commission attract a slew of legal challenges from both sides of the climate divide. The hosts ask: can Biden’s campaign for presidency in 2024 unite the partisan divide around climate change and if not, how can we protect the progress that the IRA has already made in the US in the face of a Trump victory?
To help us unpack all of this, we have the force of nature and great friend of the podcast, Gina McCarthy, former White House National Climate Advisor and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Administrator. Today, Gina is a Senior Advisor at Bloomberg Philanthropies, the Managing Co-Chair of the America Is All In Coalition, and a Senior Fellow at The Fletcher School’s Climate Policy Lab at Tufts University. She is also an Operating Advisor at Pegasus Capital Advisors and a Senior Advisor at TPG Rise Climate Fund. She serves as co-chair of the India-U.S. Track II Dialogue on Energy and Climate Change, and on the Board of Directors for the Energy Foundation and the Resources Legacy Foundation.
Music this week comes from James Hastings with his beautiful song ‘Mother’. James is a singer-songwriter whose unique brand of eco-conscious alt-folk conjures up wild, earthy textures enfolded in ethereal, electronic landscapes.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUEST
Gina McCarthy, former White House National Climate Advisor and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Website
MUSIC
James Hastings
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235. Female Leadership Can Unlock Systemic Change (International Women's Day 2024)
Get ready to celebrate International Women's Day with Tom and Christiana on Outrage + Optimism! We're discussing the fallout from Super Tuesday and the uphill battle for female parliamentary leadership. Plus, don't miss our exclusive interview with the incredible Gaia van der Esch! Tune in for insights, inspiration, and empowerment!
Gaia van der Esch, is an executive in the non-profit and public sectors, a policy expert and author, and we discuss her book, "Leading Our Way: How Women Are Re-Defining Leadership". She is currently the Managing Director of a large international foundation working across 40+ countries to build a world with zero exclusion, zero carbon and zero poverty.
Laura Lucas closes this week's episode with her beautiful song, ‘The Sun Touches Everything’. Laura’s introspective songwriting is delivered by delicate vocals and dreamy instrumentation rooted in a warm, modern take on the indie-folk genre.
And remember, if you'd like to be part of our miniseries, Our Story Of Nature, Christiana and Isabel will be answering your questions in a special episode on Thursday 21 March. Submit your questions now by emailing contact@globaloptimism.com with 'Audience Q&A' in the subject line. You can send your question in writing or as a video or voice note.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUEST
Gaia van der Esch, CEO, Author of "Leading Our Way", Policy Expert Website | Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | LinkedIn
Leading Our Way: How Women are Re-Defining Leadership, also available on Amazon
MUSIC
Laura Lucas
Website | Instagram | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube | Spotify
Submit your question for Christiana + Isa’s Q+A here
Check out Climate Clock's Gender Parity Lifeline which tracks the global averages of women in all national parliaments.
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234. Farmer Protests
This week, our hosts discuss the global farmers’ protests, what's behind them, how they are being co-opted by right leaning populist parties as an ‘anti-net zero’ rhetoric and what needs to be done to support both farmers and the planet to thrive. Given how essential food production and distribution is to our survival, this is an issue that needs our full attention and global cooperation!
Music comes from Olivia Fern with her beautiful song ‘Calling Us Home’. Based in amongst the wild natural beauty of the Lake District National Park in north west England, Olivia’s music is deeply rooted in her connection to the living earth.
Did our miniseries Our Story Of Nature spark any questions or thoughts for you? We’d love to hear how your relationship with nature has changed over your lifetime, or what impact you think an individual’s relationship with nature has on our global systems, for example. Or if you'd like to ask Christiana Figueres and Isabel Cavelier Adarve about anything covered (or perhaps something you think should have been covered) in the series, this is your chance. Email contact@globaloptimism.com with 'Audience Q&A' in the subject line. You can send your question in writing or as a video or voice note. Tune in for the answers in discussion with Christiana and Isabel on Thursday 14th March.
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MUSIC
Olivia Fern
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233. The Thorny Issue of 1.5C
1.5C degrees is back in the news again as the recent Copernicus report reported that the world had exceeded this politically agreed temperature limit for the majority of 2023. But what does this mean? Do we abandon this target and set a new one? Is it still useful to use this as our north star in tackling the effects of man-made climate change? Is now the right time to start a serious conversation about geo-engineering? Join Christiana, Tom and Paul as they grapple with these difficult questions and their wider implications.
Our guest this week is Dr. Michael E. Mann, Presidential Distinguished Professor of Earth & Environmental Science, and Director of the Penn Center for Science, Sustainability and the Media (PCSSM) at the University of Pennsylvania. He lends us his expertise to discuss the liabilities and implications of breaching the 1.5 degree ceiling, and what his latest legal victory means for the ‘war on science’.
Music comes from Luke Wallace with his song ‘Comeback’. Luke is a songwriter, speaker, choral arranger and environmental champion from the Coast Salish Territory known as Vancouver, Canada.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
The O+O episode with Elizabeth Kolbert where we discuss the possible implications of Geo-Engineering explored in her book ‘Under A White Sky’ can be found here.
GUEST
Dr. Michael E. Mann, Presidential Distinguished Professor of Earth & Environmental Science, and Director of the Penn Center for Science, Sustainability and the Media (PCSSM) at the University of Pennsylvania Website | Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | LinkedIn | YouTube
Check out Dr. Mann’s new book, ‘Our Fragile Moment: How Lessons from Earth's Past Can Help Us Survive the Climate Crisis’
MUSIC
Luke Wallace Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube
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232. Our Story of Nature: From Rupture to Reconnection - Part Three - Living AS Nature
This week, Christiana Figueres and her guest co-host Isabel Cavelier Adarve introduce the third and final episode in their mini-series, Our Story of Nature: From Rupture to Reconnection.
In this episode, Living As Nature, co-hosts and a stellar cast of guests use the pandemic as their jumping off point to unpack how a moment of physical separation, from each other and the natural world, became a strange chrysalis to stronger and deeper interconnections.
Contributors from across many religious and spiritual traditions, including Bayo Akomolafe, public intellectual, and Sister True Dedication,Zen Buddhist monastic teacher join Christiana and Isabel to discuss how developing a sense of reverence and responsibility for the Earth leads to both personal and systemic transformation.
They ask: how can our unprecedented ecological and social crises become an opportunity for the foundation of a new way of relating to each other and to nature? How can we move away from living from nature to living as nature, so that we can grow and flourish?
This episode is part of a series that shines a new light on humanity’s fundamental relationship with the rest of nature as key to responding to the climate crisis and to transitioning into a regenerative future.
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NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUESTS
Xiye Bastida, Co-Founder Re-Earth Initiative, Indigenous Wisdom, TIME100Next, UN HLC Ambassador, TED Speaker Website | LinkedIn | Twitter | Instagram | TED
Janine Benyus, Co-Founder Biomimicry 3.8 and Biomimicry Institute Biomimicry Institute | LinkedIn | Twitter
Dr. Lyla June Johnston, Indigenous musician, author, and community organizer of Diné (Navajo), Tsétsêhéstâhese (Cheyenne) and European lineages Website | YouTube | Instagram | Facebook
Dr. Bayo Akomolafe, Public Intellectual, Author, Professor and Chief Curator, The Emergence Network Website | Course webpage | LinkedIn | Facebook
Sister True Dedication, Zen Buddhist monastic teacher in Thich Nhat Hanh's Plum Village Community
Plum Village
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Krista Tippett, award-winning journalist, author and host of On Being podcast
Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook
Arturo Escobar, Professor Emeritus of Anthropology
Wolf Martinez, Diné, Lakota, & Spanish. Two Spirit. Speaker, Ceremonialist and practitioner of Ancient Healing Arts. Therapist. Lover. Human Being. LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook
Kate Raworth, Author of Doughnut Economics and Co-founder of Doughnut Economics Action Lab
Dr. Gunhild Anker Stordalen, Founder and Executive Chair of EAT Foundation
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231. Our Story of Nature: From Rupture to Reconnection - Part Two - Living WITH Nature
This week, Christiana Figueres and her guest co-host Isabel Cavelier Adarve introduce the second episode in their mini-series, Our Story of Nature: From Rupture to Reconnection.
In this episode, Living With Nature, the hosts share a series of conversations with experts from the worlds of food, the economy, energy and design to illuminate how our man-made systems are rooted in a separation from the natural world. You’ll hear insight and fresh ideas from author Kate Raworth, Founder and Executive Chair, EAT Gunhild Stordalen, energy strategist at Rocky Mountain Institute Kingsmill Bond, author of the Earth Transformed: An Untold History, Peter Frankopan and co-founder of Biomimicry, Janine Benyus.
With appropriate outrage, Christiana and guests will explore how the climate crisis, the energy crisis, the inequality crisis and the food crisis all share the same deep root: extractivism based on extrinsic principles. They argue that this extractivism not only depletes the planet—the very soil of the Earth itself—it also depletes our human soul.
With characteristic and bold optimism, Christiana, Isabel and guests will argue that if we can overthrow the tyranny of GDP, invest in harvesting rather than in extraction, and if we design our world mimicking nature’s genius, we might yet create a future where humans and nature thrive in balance.
This episode is part of a series that shines a new light on humanity’s fundamental relationship with the rest of nature as key to responding to the climate crisis and to transitioning into a regenerative future.
Do not miss the third and final episode, Living As Nature, in which Christiana and Isabel invite listeners to contemplate what it will take for each of us to fully awaken to our interconnectedness as, perhaps, the starting point - the foundational stone - without which no new home can be built for a truly regenerative future.
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GUESTS
Arturo Escobar, Professor Emeritus of Anthropology
Kate Raworth, Author of Doughnut Economics and Co-founder of Doughnut Economics Action Lab
Krista Tippett, award-winning journalist, author and host of On Being podcast Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook
Dr. Gunhild Anker Stordalen, Founder and Executive Chair of EAT Foundation
Kingsmill Bond, Energy Strategist at RMI
Janine Benyus, Co-Founder Biomimicry 3.8 and Biomimicry Institute Biomimicry Institute | LinkedIn | Twitter
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230. Our Story of Nature: From Rupture to Reconnection - Part One - Living FROM Nature
This week, Christiana Figueres introduces a new mini-series, Our Story of Nature: From Rupture to Reconnection. Over three episodes, Christiana and guests will shine a light on our relationship with the rest of nature. Does transforming our connection with the natural world hold the key to transforming our response to the multiple environmental, political and social crises we face?
Christiana’s accompanied on this journey by co-host Isabel Cavelier Adarve. Isabel is a former negotiator for Colombia and co-founder of Mundo Comun.
In Episode 1, Living From Nature, Christiana, Isabel and guests delve deep into the roots of humanity’s separation from nature. They explore moments where cracks may have appeared and widened, including the advent of farming and a particular interpretation of the Book of Genesis. How have certain ideas shaped different cultures’ relationships with the natural world, and what are their consequences? Is our distance from nature related to other forms of separation, like colonialism? How can we nurture and narrate new stories of our relationship with nature to address 21st Century problems?
The best and brightest minds from around the globe contribute to Our Story of Nature, including Peter Frankopan author of the Earth Transformed: An Untold History; Janine Benyus, co-founder of Biomimicry 3.8; Dr Lyla June Johnston, indigenous musician and community organiser; Krista Tippett, award-winning journalist and author Reverend Doctor Augusto Zampini Davies, former adjunct Secretary of the Vatican Dicastery for the Service of Integral Human Development ; Wolf Martinez, Traditional Medicine Person, Guardian and Keeper of the old indigenous ways; Arturo Escobar Professor Emeritus of Anthropology and Xiye Bastida the co-founder of Re-Earth Initiative.
Once listeners have heard about the roots of our rupture from nature, tune in for the second episode of the series - Living With Nature. A stellar cast of experts will join Christiana to explore how our current systems - food, economy, energy, design - have been built on a mindset of extraction and separation. With characteristic optimism, they will give us a glimpse into how these systems, in many places, are planting the seeds for a more regenerative future.
The third and final episode, Living as Nature, is where the science of awe meets spirituality. Christiana and Isabel invite listeners to contemplate what it will take for each of us to fully awaken to our interconnectedness as the starting point - the foundational stone - without which no new home can be built for a truly regenerative future.
Please don’t forget to let us know what you think here, and / or by contacting us on our social media channels or via the website.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUESTS
Peter Frankopan, Professor of Global History at Oxford University Website | Twitter | LinkedIn
Janine Benyus, Co-Founder Biomimicry 3.8 and Biomimicry Institute Biomimicry Institute | LinkedIn | Twitter
Krista Tippett, award-winning journalist, author and host of On Being podcast Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook
Reverend Doctor Augusto Zampini Davies
LinkedIn | Laudato Si Platform | Laudato Si Movement | Laudato Si Research Institute, University of Oxford | The encyclical Laudato Si | European Climate Foundation
Arturo Escobar, Professor Emeritus of Anthropology
Xiye Bastida, Co-Founder Re-Earth Initiative, Indigenous Wisdom, TIME100Next, UN HLC Ambassador, TED Speaker Website | LinkedIn | Twitter | Instagram | TED
Dr. Lyla June Johnston, Indigenous musician, author, and community organizer of Diné (Navajo), Tsétsêhéstâhese (Cheyenne) and European lineages Website | YouTube | Instagram | Facebook
Wolf Martinez, Diné, Lakota, & Spanish. Two Spirit. Speaker, Ceremonialist and practitioner of Ancient Healing Arts. Therapist. Lover. Human Being. LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook
Sister True Dedication, Zen Buddhist monastic teacher in Thich Nhat Hanh's Plum Village Community
Plum Village
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Dr. Bayo Akomolafe, Public Intellectual, Author, Professor and Chief Curator, The Emergence Network Website | Course webpage | LinkedIn | Facebook
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229. 2024: The Year Of Democracy (Or Not)
Welcome back to Outrage + Optimism! Season 9 starts here… Our hosts - Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson - are back in conversation, sharing expertise, insights and camaraderie at the outset of the biggest election year in history with more voters than ever heading to the polls globally. Tune in as we explore what on earth does this all have to do with climate change?
The three hosts also discuss Christiana Figueres and co-host Isabel Cavelier’s mini-series ‘Our Story of Nature’. Over three episodes, they deep dive into how the ecological crisis - and the many crises we find ourselves in - have their roots in the fact that, by and large, over time, many of us have become disconnected from the rest of nature. This heartfelt inquiry into our relationship with nature has been months in the making. It includes conversations with many insightful guests, including Arturo Escobar, Xiye Bastida, Dr. Bayo Akomolafe, Kate Raworth and Sister True Dedication.
Music comes from Wyldest and her beautiful song ‘Easier to Believe’. Wyldest is the artist project of London-based multi-instrumentalist and producer, Zoë Mead.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
Democracy by Margaret Atwood | Democracy 2024
Costa Rica: Civil War – The Rest Is History
Paul’s Book Recommendation: ‘Short Circuiting Policy’
MUSIC
Wyldest Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | Bandcamp | Mailing List
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228. Climate Conversations: A Holiday Survival Guide [December Mailbag]
For the final episode of the year, we asked you, our listeners, to submit any awkward, painful or difficult climate questions you've encountered from (often well-meaning) friends and family, and Christiana, Tom and Paul told us how they would respond.
Thank you so much to everyone who took the time to send through a question to our hosts, you made this a very special episode. Apologies if we weren’t able to get to yours, please do go and engage with us on social media and share your thoughts.
Music comes from composer and pianist, Joep Beving and his beautiful piece of music, ‘Losar’.
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MUSIC
Joep Beving Website | Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube
Watch Joep perform ‘Losar’ on YouTube
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227. COP28 Panel: Turning Sustainability Values into Action
This week on Outrage + Optimism we bring you a serving of sizzling Cuban black bean soup in the form of a special live panel that was hosted by Tom Rivett-Carnac during COP 28!
Joined by special guests Ellen Jackowski, Chief Sustainability Officer for Mastercard; Kate Brandt, Chief Sustainability Officer at Google; and Craig Hanson, Managing Director and Executive Vice President for Programs at World Resources Institute, Tom and the panel dug in to a series of fascinating questions: how do businesses and organisations shift consumer behaviour to close the value -action gap; what is the importance of the role of the CSO in corporations; why is providing people and businesses with the right information at the right time key to transformation; and why communicating what IS working will build momentum.
Essential listening as we enter the run up to the holidays when many of us will be choosing gifts for loved ones and taking time to set intentions for the New Year ahead!
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Ellen Jackowski LinkedIn | Twitter
Kate Brandt
Craig Hanson
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226. COP28: The Outcome Is A Signal
With Christiana away, Tom and Paul invite Jennifer Morgan, Germany’s Special Envoy for International Climate Action, to share her thoughts on the final text achieved and what we can take from this year’s COP 28 process.
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Jennifer Morgan, Germany’s Special Envoy for International Climate Action
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225. COP28: The Snapshot vs The Movie
With much of the world’s media focusing on the language of the final text at COP 28 to determine the success or failure of the COP and Dr Sultan’s presidency, Tom, with the help of friend of the show and High Level Climate Champion for COP 26, Nigel Topping; and H.E. Razan Al Mubarak, UN Climate Change High Level Champion for COP 28, take a different lens on what has been unfolding at COP 28 aside from the phase out/down controversy.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
H.E. Razan Al Mubarak, UN Climate Change High-Level Champion from the COP28 Presidency
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Nigel Topping, Member of the Climate Change Committee (CCC) / Non-executive director of the UK Infrastructure Bank (UKIB)
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224. COP28: Later Is Too Late
This week on Outrage + Optimism we bring you news that over 1000+ signatories from across business, finance, philanthropy, politics, academia and civil society have joined forces to call on Sultan Al Jaber and all Parties to deliver a 1.5C aligned outcome in response to the Global Stocktake - because later is too late!
Tom reflects on this huge concerted effort to deliver outcomes at COP 28 and speaks to Halla Tómasdóttir, CEO & Chief Change Catalyst at the B Team about her motivations to galvinise the B-Team behind this effort to call for meaningful action, and we also hear from many of the signatories themselves explaining why transformative action must happen now.
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Link to the website STATEMENT: THE TRANSFORMATION IS UNSTOPPABLE
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223. COP28: Will The Word ‘Out’ Be In?
This week on Outrage + Optimism our hosts give a crucial update from Dubai’s COP28 opening days. With Tom and Paul dialling in direct from Dubai and Christiana offering an outside perspective, the hosts ask: Will the word 'out' be in? What role will governments play in the climate crisis going forward? How brave was it for Dr Sultan to launch with a COP outcome (loss and damage) on day 1? They also discuss the incredible commitment from 134 countries to the food systems declaration, and much, much more in this packed episode.
To close this week's episode, we have Louise Harris with ‘We Tried’, a moving and beautiful song about the climate crisis and what will happen if we don’t act. The song became the first ever climate song to reach UK iTunes No.1 and all proceeds go to climate causes.
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MUSIC
Louise Harris
Facebook | Twitter | Instagram | DistroKid | YouTube | Spotify
‘We Tried’ is just the beginning of Louise's music activist journey, with plans to release an entire Climate Album in 2024 if she can raise enough funds for it. You can donate to her GoFundMe if you would like to see more songs and videos like ‘We Tried’ from Louise.
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222. Moments of Truth
This week on Outrage + Optimism our hosts discuss the leaked documents revealing how Adnoc, the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company and Dr. Sultan were planning to use COP 28 meetings with other countries to promote deals for its national oil and gas companies. With Dr Sultan set to give his speech on Thursday, our hosts ask what needs to happen to restore the faltering trust in his presidency and avoid derailing the COP agenda at such a vital time.
Our guest this week is Nathaniel Stinnett who founded the Environmental Voter Project, which targets inactive environmentalists, transforming them into consistent voters to build the power of the environmental movement, something which may prove critical given the news that Trump would scrap the landmark IRA and BIL legislations if elected.
To close this week's episode, we have Chris Redmond, Co- Artistic Director of Hot Poets with his poem ‘Blink’, with a beautiful musical accompaniment by The Tongue Fu Band (music written by Riaan Vosloo). The poem was commissioned by 3M as part of a series of poems in collaboration with UNFCCC's Resilience Frontiers.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUEST
Nathaniel Stinnett, Founder & Executive Director of the Environmental Voter ProjectTwitter | LinkedIn | Facebook | Instagram
ARTIST
Chris Redmond, Artistic Director - Hot Poets (the film of ‘Blink’ will be released on Thursday 30 November on YouTube and across Hot Poets channels)
Website | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram | YouTube | TikTok
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221. TIME100 Climate: Stories of Leadership
This week on O+O… our hosts discuss the US-China ‘Sunnylands statement’; China’s positive 2024 emissions news, and ask how we hold this positivity, alongside the recently published UN report that warns of lack of global progress on climate change and the inexorable rise of greenhouse gas emissions, without our heads exploding!
Our guests this week are Simon Mulcahy and Shyla Raghav from TIME, both responsible for founding TIME CO2, a division focused on providing businesses with the trusted content, solutions, applications and community that accelerate investment in climate solutions, and progress towards net zero. They recently released their TIME 100 CLIMATE inaugural list which includes our very own incredible Paul Dickinson.
Music this week comes from completely DIY self taught Indie-alt-pop musicians and producers Bad Sounds, with their song ‘Beggin’.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUESTS
Shyla Raghav, Chief Climate Officer, TIME Twitter | LinkedIn | Facebook | Instagram
Simon Mulcahy, President Sustainability, TIME
TIME CO2 Twitter | LinkedIn | Website
MUSICAL GUEST
Bad Sounds
Website | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter | Spotify | YouTube
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Check out The Climate Question’s Episode on COP - ‘What has COP Achieved?’
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On Being with Krista Tippett is a groundbreaking show, with an iconic host, about the big questions of meaning in 21st Century life - from science to spiritual inquiry, from social creativity to poetry: What does it mean to be human and how do we want to live and who will we be to each other?
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From this week's episode of 'On Being with Krista Tippett':
'The ecological crisis we are standing before is at once civilizational and personal - intimately close to each of us in the places we love and inhabit, and unfolding at a species level. And as much as anyone alive on the planet now, Christiana Figueres has felt the overwhelm of this and stepped into service. She gives voice so eloquently to the grief that we feel and must allow to bind us to each other - and what she sees as a spiritual evolution the natural world is calling us to.
If you have wondered how to keep hope alive amidst a thousand reasons to despair, if you are ready to take your despair as fuel - intrigued by the idea of stepping into love and immediate realities of abundance and regeneration - this conversation is for you.'
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220. Inequality Is At The Root!
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
This week, Christiana joins us from Singapore where she has been attending the inspirational Earthshot Prize Awards, a week of climate and nature-based workshops and events, culminating in a prize awarded to 5 winners who are scaling the most innovative solutions to the world’s toughest environmental challenges. She points to the fact that the prize itself also represents a mindset, by acknowledging that we do have what it takes to tackle these issues if we support and finance incredible initiatives such as these. The three hosts also discuss the recent concerning polls around the US Presidential Elections suggesting that our democratic institutions are not delivering solutions to the systemic global challenges we now face. They also touch on other topics; as insurance companies forecast more climate destruction, what does an uninsurable future look like? How do religion and faith communities deliver in the climate crisis?
Music this week comes from DL Rossi, a Singer-Songwriter from the Metro Detroit area of Michigan. His latest single “With Two Feet” speaks to the random nature of life, and the lessons learned from just being able to show up and work through things as they come.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
The Earthshot Prize Awards
MUSICAL GUEST
DL Rossi
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219. Ice Down the Spine and Courage in the Heart
This week, the team talk positive tipping points, grapple with the comms coming out of the pre-COP meets and send our tributes to dearly loved colleagues who have recently passed.
With pre COP 28 meetings currently taking place, the host team discuss the mixed messaging that is currently making headlines and anticipate what this might mean for how the future of fossil fuels will appear in the final text at COP 28.
Tim Lenton, the founding Director of the Global Systems Institute at the University of Exeter and Chair in Climate Change and Earth System Science is our guest this week, and with Tom unable to make the interview, our brilliant colleague from Global Optimism, Freya Newman, joins Christiana and Paul to interview her former professor. With negative tipping points racing along their own ‘S curve’, the team ask Tim Lenton whether there are signs that the positive tipping points can win this race and avert the worst impacts of the climate crisis (pssst, the answer is it looks very, very possible).
Music this week comes from Jemima Coulter with their beautiful song ‘[flowers]’.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUEST
Professor Tim Lenton, Founding Director of the Global Systems Institute at the University of Exeter and Chair in Climate Change and Earth System Science
Here is the website on Global Tipping points where you can find resources and info on all that Tim and the team discuss. Spread the word!
FREYA NEWMAN
PETE BETTS
We are all very saddened by the news of the death of Pete Betts, a former guest on Outrage + Optimism and an all round incredible human being. Please check out the episode here,
to hear the man himself and his lifetime dedication to working for a better, fairer sustainable future.
DAVID ATTENBOROUGH
As mentioned by Tom here is one of the first O+O episodes recorded and it is one worth revisiting to hear the exchange between Christiana and David as they talk about the Garden of Eden and Garden of Intention. Truly worth a revisit.
MUSICAL GUEST
Jemima Coulter
Website | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter | Bandcamp | Spotify | YouTube
Go buy/stream ‘Grace After A Party’
PLUM VILLAGE
‘An Invitation to Sit Together For Peace’
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218. October Mailbag
This week it is over to you, our listeners as the hosts strive to answer all of your challenging and wonderful questions: Should we be having children? How long have we got? How do international conflicts impact climate? And so many more…
Thank you so much to everyone who took the time to send through a question to our hosts, you made this a very special episode. Apologies if we weren’t able to get to yours, please do go and engage with us on social media and share your thoughts.
We also have an edited interview between our friend and colleague Sue Reid and the incredible Elizabeth Maruma Mrema, a Tanzanian biodiversity leader and lawyer, speaking in her capacity as Co-Chair of The Taskforce on Nature-related Financial Disclosures (TNFD) on the incredible launch of TNFD’s final framework/recommendations at Climate Week NYC on 18 Sept and the urgent need to shake up current paradigms that still pervasively treat nature as disposable and limitless.
Music this week comes from Passiflora and their wonderful track ‘Bosque’.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
Latin America and Caribbean Climate Week
Links to the report mentioned by the hosts at the top of the episode called: Latin American successes in the energy transition can be found here
Taskforce on Nature-Related Financial Disclosures
Elizabeth Maruma Mrema, Assistant Secretary-General of the United Nations and Deputy Executive Director of the UN Environment Programme and Co-Chair of The Taskforce on Nature-related Financial Disclosures (TNFD)
Here is the link to the published TNFD framework.
MUSIC GUEST
Passiflora
Facebook | Instagram | Bandcamp | Spotify | Soundcloud
Check out Passiflora’s Live Album ‘Noches en vela’ on Bandcamp
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217. Greening Shipping
Ahoy! With Christiana at the helm this week we’re raising our anchor and charting a course into the fascinating and complex world of greening shipping.
The shipping industry can feel removed from our daily lives. With images of huge cargo ships criss-crossing the oceans, distant foreign ports and international regulatory bodies with unfamiliar acronyms like the IMO or the GMF, you might even ask yourself: why should I care?
We’ll hear how 90% of what we consume, wear and use in our homes comes to us via a ship. And how the predominant use of dirty fossil fuels means that the shipping industry currently contributes around 3% of the world’s global CO2 - that’s the same as the whole of Germany or Japan’s emissions.
But not any more! Christiana and her crew of shipping experts take you on a journey to explore how the shipping industry is at the forefront of an exciting transition to Net Zero, and will explain how greening the maritime sector could help us address the climate emergency.
Christiana has been a long and passionate advocate for reform in the shipping industry. With the help of guests such as AP Moller-Maersk’s Senior Vice President, Morten Christiansen; Alejandra Teran from Costa Rica’s Sailcargo; Eric Leveridge, Campaign Lead at Ship it Zero; Ambassador Albon Ishoda, Royal Marshall Islands Presidential Special Envoy for Maritime Decarbonisation, Dr Lucy Gilliam, Seas at Risk, Bo Cerup-Simonsen, CEO, MaerskMcKinney Moller Centre, Cleo Bierneza, Third Officer at Swire Shipping and many more, this deep dive episode will hope to leave no doubt in our listeners’ minds as to why shipping’s path to Net Zero is integral to our current and future life on the planet.
How these ships are fuelled now and in the future, why the recent International Maritime Organisation decision was history in the making, how the people working on these ships are treated to ensure a just transition as well as the role that we, the consumers, can play, are all questions that Christiana and her guests tackle during this special episode.
Do let us know what you think!
NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUESTS
Alejandra Terán, Chief Purpose Marketing Officer at Sailcargo
LinkedIn | Facebook | Instagram
Ambassador Albon Ishoda, Royal Marshall Islands Presidential Special Envoy for Maritime Decarbonisation
Bo Cerup-Simonsen, Chief Executive Officer of Mærsk Mc-Kinney Møller Center for Zero Carbon Shipping
LinkedIn | LinkedIn for Mærsk Mc-Kinney Møller Center for Zero Carbon Shipping
Christine Loh, Chief Development Strategist, Institute for the Environment at the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology
Cleo Bierneza, Third Officer at Swire Shipping
Eric Leveridge, Campaign Lead at Ship It Zero
Ingrid Irigoyen, Associate Director, Ocean and Climate, Aspen Institute Energy and Environment Program & President and CEO, Zero Emission Maritime Buyers Alliance
Dr Lucy Gilliam, Senior Shipping Policy Officer at Seas at Risk
Seas At Risk
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Morten Bo Christiansen, Senior Vice President, Head of Energy Transition at A.P. Moller - Maersk
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Presenting: 'Uncertainty and Possibility - Meeting the Climate Future'
What happens when three wise women get together? Just an incredible series of new, mind-blowing conversations, that’s all.
In this week’s episode we are THRILLED to bring you an edited version of the AMAZING ten-part video series Uncertainty and Possibility -Meeting the Climate Future featuring Buddhist teacher, Roshi Joan Halifax; writer/activist Rebecca Solnit and of course, our own remarkable Christiana Figueres.
Recorded by our friends at Upaya Zen Centre earlier this year while the three women were together in person, please do be sure to check out the full series in its entirety!
During the course of these discussions, Roshi Joan, Rebecca and Christiana go deep on topics ranging from personal reflections on climate grief, to how to be present to the current climate reality, to how we can rewrite the current narrative of the anthropocene. We guarantee you will leave this conversations with a deepened understanding of the transformation, both personal and systemic, required to meet the challenges of the climate crisis.
Huge thanks goes to the team at Upaya who recorded these interviews and kindly allowed us use of their audio, and to Roshi Joan Halifax, Rebecca Solnit and Christiana for the rich conversation.
If the episode leaves you wanting to hear more from these wonderful women, you can download the previous Outrage + Optimisms episodes where Roshi Joan Halifax
and Rebecca Solnit feature as guests.
Please remember to send in your questions for the Listener mailbag episode we are doing at the end of October. Either submit through our social media channels or email: contact@globaloptimism.com
NOTES AND RESOURCES
Upaya Zen Centre
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Ten-part Video Series
Video Series: Uncertainty and Possibility—Meeting the Climate Future - Upaya Zen Center
GUESTS
Roshi Joan Halifax
Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | flickr
Rebecca Solnit
Rebecca’s organisation Not Too Late co-founded with Thelma Young Lutunatabua.
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216. Drilled, Baby, Drilled!
This week on O+O, our hosts, Christiana, Tom and Paul delve into the latest International Energy Agency report which sounds the death knell on the fossil fuel era and welcome award-winning investigative journalist Amy Westervelt onto the show.
With the IEA’s publication of their World Energy Outlook report, Christiana, Tom and Paul assess what this means for the fossil fuel industry, national governments and the companies continuing to push the exponential growth of the renewable energy markets. The IEA report still offers us an opportunity, a very, very slim opportunity to act unitedly and decisively to keep within our global targets - can we heed this advice before the door finally closes on this opportunity?
We’re extremely excited to welcome Amy Westervelt as our guest this week. Amy is an award-winning investigative print and audio journalist, loved by our team for her true crime climate podcast Drilled. Join us as she shares her journey to launching Drilled and Critical Frequency, her podcast production company, and why she’s dedicating her time to unearth the nefarious actions of a few PR firms that enable incumbents to keep a stake in the climate crisis narrative.
Music this week comes from Nick Nuttall and his debut album, Just Because Some Bad Wind Blows, which draws on rich life experiences between his eccentric upbringing in the North of England, to his nearly two decades of work at the UN fighting the climate and environmental crises across the globe.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
GUEST
Amy Westervelt, Investigative climate journalist and Head of Drilled Media
Twitter | LinkedIn | Instagram
THINK TANKS Story: Meet the Shadowy Global Network Vilifying Climate Protesters
MUSIC
Nick Nuttall
Website | Instagram | Facebook | LinkedIn | Twitter
Album ‘Just Because Some Bad Wind blows’ can be purchased here, or here
Watch the music video for ‘Just Because Some Bad Wind Blows’
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215. Hungry For Alternatives
This week on O+O: UK Net Zero rollbacks, the rise of global populism and why we should all be hungry for (protein) alternatives. Pull up a chair to the table and tuck in to this week's episode.
With the UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s recent announcement that he plans to ‘roll back’ Net Zero commitments, coupled with the disturbing rise of global populist politicians choosing to hack the climate crisis conversation, our hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson, ask: why, and why now, are these leaders choosing to act against the scientific consensus and hit the brakes on progress? Tune in this week to hear the hosts’ lively and insightful analysis on this worrying trend in global politics.
Alternative proteins is the topic of this week’s guest interview. Bruce Friedrich from the Good Food Institute is interviewed by the unflappable Andy Jarvis from theBezos Earth Fund, using his expertise in this area to dig into this incredibly important and hugely influential issue.
Bruce, Andy and the hosts unpacked the outsized positive impact that alternative proteins can have not only on tackling the climate crisis, but also our health, animal well-being and nature restoration. He also issued a stark warning with regards to the huge quantities of antibiotics we feed our animals and the current and future on human health:
“The UK government said the threat to the human race from antimicrobial resistance is more certain than the threat from climate change. It's already killing 1.3 million people per year. It's predicted to be killing 10 million people per year by 2050, according to an article in The Lancet last year. Seventy percent of medically relevant antibiotics are being fed to farm animals. Now, former head of the World Health Organization, Margaret Chan, has said the end of working antibiotics is the end of modern medicine.” * Yikes.
Music this week comes from Colombian Psychedelic band ‘BALTHVS’ and their track ‘Eclipse Solar’.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
* Bruce quotes an article published in Jan 2022 by The Lancet: Global burden of bacterial antimicrobial resistance in 2019: a systematic analysis. This article in turn quotes the UK’s AMR review’s final paper:Tackling Drug-Resistant Infections Globally: Final report and recommendations (2016) which is the original source of the figures Bruce uses in the quote above.
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Bruce Friedrich, President and Founder of The Good Food Institute
The Good Food Institute
Andy Jarvis, Director of Future of Food at Bezos Earth Fund
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MUSIC
BALTHVS
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214. Climate Week NYC: Love Is The Answer
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
This week, Tom plays the role of roving reporter live from Climate Week NYC and shares his analysis of UNGA and the growing public concern around the UN’s ability to maintain the momentum and vision that we so desperately need to keep us on track to meet our global goals. Tom also shares an incredible finding with us all presented by former O+O guest, John Marshall, CEO of Potential Energy Coalition, that the winning message that caused people to unite behind climate change action is….love. The hosts beautifully discuss what this means for us as a global community and how we should stay as close to this source as possible.
Throughout the episode, we also hear from a range of voices captured by Tom throughout the first part of the week from leaders representing civil society, private corporations, youth, state legislatures and communication professionals.
Music this week comes from Annie Hamilton and her incredible track, 'Electric Night'.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
Celine Herweijer, Group Chief Sustainability Officer at HSBC
Ellen Jackowski, Chief Sustainability Officer and EVP at Mastercard
Mary Robinson, Chair of The Elders
Instagram | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube
Isabelle Offer, Photographer
Website | Instagram | LinkedIn
Phil Drew, Partner at Brunswick Group
Harjeet Singh, Head Of Global Political Strategy at Climate Action Network (CAN)
Sally Fouts, Director of The Climate Pledge at Amazon
Secretary Wade Crowfoot, California Secretary for Natural Resources Agency
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MUSIC
annie hamilton
Website | Instagram | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube
Check out the dreamy and fuzzy version of ‘electric night’
Annie’s ‘production, sustainability, and brand ethos’
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213. September Stocktake
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
This week, we welcome back perennial friend of the podcast Nigel Topping as he joins Christiana, Tom and Paul on a fast-paced whistle stop analysis of the recent and up-coming events (Africa Climate Week, UN General Assembly and New York Climate Week) populating the climate change calendars. If that was not enough, the team also discusses the soon to be published IEA report, set to declare the ‘beginning of the end’ of the fossil fuel industry, (watch out for the ‘Minsky Moment’) as well as the much anticipated recent UNFCCC Global Stocktake report, with an invitation to view these reports in a more integrated way.
Music this week comes from Nu Deco Ensemble and their beautiful piece of music titled 'Sacred Earth'. The orchestra’s mission is to create compelling and transformative genre-bending musical experiences that inspire, enrich and connect new and diverse audiences and artists.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
Nigel Topping, Member of the Climate Change Committee (CCC) / Non-executive director of the UK Infrastructure Bank (UKIB)
Fatih Birol’s op-ed: Peak fossil fuel demand will happen this decade
THIS WEEK: Go to a March or Climate Action Near YOU - Fight Fossil Fuels Dot Net
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MUSIC
Nu Deco Ensemble
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Check out their Daft Punk and Dr. Dre concerts on YouTube
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212. We're BACK! With Al Gore
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
Back together following our break, the hosts discuss the devastating extreme weather events that have been happening across the world and they encourage us to think about how these changes within the global climate are impacting all our environments. Looking ahead to the next few months, we’ll cover the major climate events, all requiring critical decisions to be made in this important decade. They also explore some positive news stories that have happened over the last month, including the vote by Ecuadorians to halt oil drilling in the biodiverse Amazonian national park.
We have a fascinating and passionate interview from the incredible Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore, he gives us an honest account of what he feels are the top political obstacles to climate solutions.
Music this week comes from the very talented Hilang Child, a British-Indonesian alt-pop artist, songwriter and drummer from South London!
NOTES AND RESOURCES
Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore
Twitter | Instagram | Facebook
Watch AG’s New TED Talk - ‘What The Fossil Fuel Industry Doesn’t Want You To Know’
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Hilang Child
Website | Instagram | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube
Pre-Save or Stream the new single - ‘Lapwings’
Extra Listening - ‘Seimbang/Balance’
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211. You’ve Got Questions, We’ve Got Answers
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
For the final episode of the season, Christiana, Tom and Paul answer many of your fantastic questions including: ‘We hear a lot of talk about planting trees to sequester carbon, but most of our planet is covered by ocean, and the ocean is absorbing most of the heat. Should we be doing more to plant and restore seaweed, seagrasses, and mangroves?’; ‘If anything would be possible and all of us would work together towards one goal - what would your ideal world look like?’ and “Are we gonna be OK?”’
Thank you so much to everyone who took the time to send through a question to our hosts, you made this a very special episode. Apologies if we weren’t able to get to yours, please do go and engage with us on social media and share your thoughts.
Music this week comes from our very own fabulous host, Christiana Figueres, check out the video of her rap here. Feel free to spread the love!
We will welcome you back in September with a very exciting not-to-be-missed interview, followed by episodes sharing insights into New York Climate Week, COP and many more important events which will see us through to the end of the year.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
Christiana’s incredible rap video can be found here.
Adam McKay’s video can be found here.
The song mentioned by Paul from Gracie Fields can be found here.
Here is a link to the lawsuit against big oil companies by the city of San Francisco.
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210. A Jolt From Complacency
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
Pilita Clark, associate editor and business columnist at the FT is our very special guest this week and as huge fans of her work at Outrage + Optimism Tom and Christiana were thrilled to host this fascinating conversation. In this episode, Pilita discusses with the hosts the changing landscape of climate coverage against the backdrop of the extreme weather events across the globe, delves into her insights from her recent article The fossil fuel industry will not lead us out of the climate crisis | Financial Times and why exponential growth in climate solutions is a narrative that technology is leaving editors with no choice but to cover. We hope you enjoy this conversation as much as we did!
If you have not yet checked out Christiana’s rap on social media - where have you been? Go show our brave host some love and let us know your thoughts. You can find it on Instagram, Twitter and LinkedIn
Look out for our end of season listener mailbag special on Friday!
NOTES AND RESOURCES
Pilita Clark, FT Columnist and Associate Editor
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209. Powered By Nature
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
With Tom away, Christiana and Paul discuss the extreme and deadly heat waves facing multiple continents, news which is dominating the headlines. They review the details of the recently published Letter to Parties from the incoming COP president, which sets out his vision for what he thinks needs to be accomplished at COP28 later in the year. Also, they talk about the hard won law just passed by the European Parliament to restore degraded natural ecosystems.
Our special guest this week is Fiona Morgan, Chief Purpose Officer of Sail GP, an extraordinary international sailing competition. Hear about the Sail GP Impact League, in which athletes race to win two podiums - one for sporting performance and one for the planet. They bring us a fascinating conversation on how climate, sport, ocean and nature collide.
To close this week's episode, music comes from the Norwegian band Darling West, and their beautiful song ‘How I Wish’.
You still have time to submit your questions to our hosts for next week’s episode, email us at contact@globaloptimism.com or engage on our social media channels.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
Fiona Morgan, Chief Purpose Officer at SailGP
LinkedIn | Twitter | Instagram | Facebook
Here is a link to the video mentioned by the hosts, Season 4 Calendar Revealed | SailGP
Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | Spotify
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208. TED Countdown: The Future is Exponential
Andrew Steer, President and CEO of the Bezos Earth Fund
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Fiona McRaith, Manager, Engagement & Delivery and Special Assistant to the President & CEO, Bezos Earth Fund
LinkedIn | Twitter | Instagram
Dr Jonathan Foley, Executive Director, Project Drawdown
Ellen Jackowski, Chief Sustainability Officer and EVP at Mastercard
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207. Five Times Faster
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
With the hosts back together, Christiana and Tom discuss their week at Plum Village with Paul, and Christiana mentions the privilege of meeting Emmanuel Faber, the Chair of the International Sustainability Standards Board (ISSB). They debrief on their fascinating conversation with him about the recently launched IFRS Sustainability Disclosure Standards, ushering in a new era of sustainability-related disclosures in capital markets worldwide, something very close to Paul’s heart.
Our interview this week is with Simon Sharpe, Director of Economics for the UNFCCC Climate Champions, Senior Fellow at the World Resources Institute and author of Five Times Faster. In conversation with Christiana and Tom, Simon discusses how we can accelerate climate action, why we need to decarbonise the global economy five times faster than we have managed so far, and why some of the real blocks to achieving this could be the very ideas and institutions that are supposed to be helping us.
To close the episode, we have some exciting instrumental music from a listener of the podcast, Gilmore Trail.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
Simon Sharpe
Director of Economics for the Climate Champions Team and Senior Fellow at the World Resources Institute. Author of Five Times Faster
Five Times Faster Website I LinkedIn
Gilmore Trail
Website I Facebook I Instagram I Twitter I Youtube I Bandcamp I Soundcloud I Spotify
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206. Space, Time and The Ultimate Dimension!
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
This week, we bring you a very special joint episode of Outrage + Optimism and The Way Out Is In. From the peace and tranquility of the International Plum Village Community of Engaged Buddhism, Christiana and Tom speak with Zen Buddhist monk Brother Pháp Hữu and journalist Jo Confino.
Listeners of both podcasts are invited to join in on an intimate and deep conversation covering everything from the missing spiritual elements in the climate movement, moving beyond linear timelines into exponential transformation, and what happens when we all stop.
So bring your tea to the table and let the radical collaboration begin.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
Note: this episode was edited on 22.09.23 date in response to a listener comment on language
Listen and Subscribe to ‘The Way Out Is In’
Listen to Brother Phap Linh perform ‘Music for Difficult Times’
Plum Village App Twitter | YouTube | Instagram Thich Nhat Hanh Twitter | Foundation Plum Village Facebook | Instagram | Twitter | YouTube Brother Chân Pháp Hữu Instagram Jo Confino Instagram
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205. How To Talk About Climate Change So People Will Listen
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future. This week our hosts discuss the slow progress made at the negotiations in Bonn which concluded last week and how the perceived lack of direction has led many in the climate community to feel anxious about how successful talks will be in Dubai later in the year. Christiana also touches on the New World Bank report, Detox Development: Repurposing Environmentally Harmful Subsidies, highlighting the trillions of dollars wasted on subsidies for agriculture, fishing and fossil fuels that could be used to help address climate change instead of harming people and the planet. With Tom off to the Global Citizen Power Our Planet Live event on Thursday, the hosts discuss their hopes for a more positive outcome from The Summit for a New Global Financing Pact also happening in Paris this week. Look out for the anticipated momentum to gather pace on Mia Mottley’s Bridgetown Agenda for the much needed reform of international finance. Our special interview this week is with the brilliant communications expert John Marshall, CEO of Potential Energy Coalition, to discuss climate change’s marketing problem and how we can solve it. Essential listening and the team here all agree we could learn a lot from John’s insights! For anyone wanting to learn more about the important work of Potential Energy, click here. Our fabulous music this week comes from Hazel Mei and her song Golden Chains, another finalist from this year's Environmental Music Prize. Check out her links below. With Clay away, huge thanks to Airaphon who mixed and sound edited the podcast this week. Please don’t forget to let us know what you think here, and / or by contacting us on our social media channels or via the website. NOTES AND RESOURCES John Marshall, Chairman and CEO of Potential Energy Coalition LinkedIn | TED Bio Potential Energy Coalition Website | LinkedIn | Instagram Hazel Mei, Environmental Music Prize Finalist Instagram | Facebook | YouTube For anyone wanting to watch the absurd Fox news interview with Power the Future founder, Daniel Turner, here is the link. Learn more about the Paris Agreement. It’s official, we’re a TED Audio Collective Podcast - Proof! Check out more podcasts from The TED Audio Collective Please follow us on social media! Twitter | Instagram | LinkedIn
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204. LIVE Q+A on Lifelines VS Deadlines
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
This week we are excited to share our Live Lifelines vs Deadlines Q&A session packed with brilliant questions from some of our listeners!
Alongside our regular hosts, we welcomed back the fabulous Fiona Macklin and Dylan Tanner co-hosts of the original mini-series with Paul Dickinson, and were thrilled to once again offer O+O listeners the chance to peek behind the curtain on our live recording.
Listen to the episode to find out how our hosts feel about what place the oil and gas companies should have at COP28, and should they be there at all? And is it time for the climate movement to unite around one single issue, and what should that be?
We close this week's episode by sharing an inspiring video which shows the moment 200 South African firefighters landed in Canada to help fight the wildfires.
Please don’t forget to let us know what you think here, and / or by contacting us on our social media channels or via the website.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
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Fiona Macklin, Senior Adviser, Groundswell at Global Optimism
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203. Tomfoolery! Red Herrings!
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future. With anti-ESG action hitting the headlines across the ‘puddle’ (as Christiana would say), our hosts begin this week by walking us through the origins of the anti-ESG movement which we covered in our Season 6 episode: ESG: Facts are not Political, before moving us on to explore the current spate of legal cases being brought by certain Republican groups, designed to intimidate members of net zero alliances.
We were very fortunate to speak to Maurits Dolmans, attorney and partner of Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP, and a rising star of the Net Zero Lawyers Alliance, who helped us understand the baseless allegations and coordinated propaganda employed by Republican groups (such as Consumers’ Research and the State Financial Officers Foundation) to delay and obfuscate meaningful climate action, while putting voters’ pensions, investments and livelihoods at risk. Expect high octane outrage from this episode!
Relief in the form of our talented musical number comes this week from Constant Follower and their track “The Merry Dancers on TV”. Check out their links below. Also, don't forget we’re hosting a live Q+A session on Monday 12 June with Paul, Fiona, Dylan, Tom and Christiana to cover all those burning questions unearthed by the Lifelines vs Deadlines mini-series. Details about how to register your place can be found here. Please don’t forget to let us know what you think here, and / or by contacting us on our social media channels or via the website. NOTES AND RESOURCES
Don’t miss our LIVE Online Podcast Recording & Q+A on Monday, June 12, 2023. Click the link to register and save your spot!
Letter from 23 Attorney Generals to the Net Zero Insurers Allianz that Paul mentioned in the episode.
Maurits Dolmans
LinkedIn | Blog Co-Authord by Maurits
Constant Follower
Instagram | Linktr.ee | McAll’s Story
Check out UK-based Charity - Help Musicians
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202. No Matter What, We're Going Too Slow
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future. This week, Christiana, Tom and Paul debrief on Paul’s recent mini series and discuss the news that insurers are leaving the Net Zero Insurance Alliance after the ESG backlash in the U.S. There is a big week coming up, with the Bonn climate intersessionals in preparation for the COP28 in Dubai later in the year. Finally, they discuss the devastating news of heat waves in India and Asia, and the fact that the World Meteorological Organization has said that there is a 66% chance that the world will exceed the 1.5 °C threshold in at least one of the next five years.
We introduce you to this year's Environmental Music Prize which aims to amplify the voices of artists who inspire action for climate and conservation. We feature three of the finalists; Meraki Mae, SheisArjuna and Sunfruits.
Also, don't forget we’re hosting a live Q+A session on the 12th June with Paul, Fiona, Dylan, Tom and Christiana to cover all those burning questions unearthed by the Lifelines vs Deadlines mini-series. Details about how to register your place can be found here. Please don’t forget to let us know what you think here, and / or by contacting us on our social media channels or via the website. NOTES AND RESOURCES
Don’t miss our LIVE Online Podcast Recording & Q+A - June 12, 2023. Click the link to register and save your spot!
Environmental Music Prize 2023
***Go to EnvironmentalMusicPrize.com to VOTE for your favorite 3 finalists by Sunday, June 4th!***
Edwina Floch
Founder, The Environmental Music Prize
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201. Lifelines VS Deadlines: The Need For Science Based Policy (Part Two)
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
Last week Paul Dickinson, Dylan Tanner and our guests explored some of the good, the bad, and the downright dark side of government action on climate policy, or perhaps that should be inaction.
This week, with the help of co-host Fiona Macklin, part two of Lifelines vs Deadlines will go beyond the politics and speak to industry and city leaders, lawyers and youth activists on the need for collective support around regulatory lifelines if the deadlines, climate science has set for us are to be met. Expert guests including:
Mark Watts, Executive Director at C40 Cities
Lord Adair Turner, Chair of the Energy Transitions Commission
Paul Polman, Business leader, campaigner and co-author of ‘Net Positive: how courageous companies thrive by giving more than they take’
Georgina Beasley, Secretary General at Net Zero Lawyers Alliance
Joshua Amponsem, Founder, Green Africa Youth Organization and Co-Director - Youth Climate Justice Fund
Shyla Raghav, Co-Founder, Chief Portfolio and Partnership Officer at TIME CO2
Dr Ellen Quigley, Special Adviser (Responsible Investment) to the Chief Financial Officer and Principal Research Associate (Climate Risk & Sustainable Finance) at University of Cambridge
Please don’t forget to let us know what you think here, and / or by contacting us on our social media channels or via the website. NOTES AND RESOURCES
Paul Dickinson, Founder Chair at CDP
Fiona Macklin, Senior Adviser, Groundswell at Global Optimism LinkedIn Dylan Tanner, Executive Director at InfluenceMap Twitter | LinkedIn | Website Mark Watt, Executive Director at C40 Cities Twitter | Instagram Lord Adair Turner, Chair of the Energy Transitions Commission Twitter
Energy Transitions Commission Twitter | LinkedIn Paul Polman, Business leader, campaigner and co-author of ‘Net Positive: how courageous companies thrive by giving more than they take’ Twitter | LinkedIn | Website Georgina Beasley, Secretary General at Net Zero Lawyers Alliance LinkedIn Net Zero Lawyers Alliance LinkedIn Joshua Amponsem, Founder, Green Africa Youth Organization and Co-Director - Youth Climate Justice Fund Twitter | LinkedIn | Facebook | Instagram Shyla Raghav, Co-Founder, Chief Portfolio and Partnership Officer at TIME CO2 Twitter | LinkedIn | Facebook | InstagramTIME and TIME CO2 Twitter | LinkedIn | Website Dr Ellen Quigley, Special Adviser (Responsible Investment) to the Chief Financial Officer and Principal Research Associate (Climate Risk & Sustainable Finance) at University of Cambridge LinkedIn
Paper: Universal Ownership in Practice: A Practical Investment Framework for Asset Owners
Paper: Universal Ownership and the Polycrisis: Social Norms, Feedback Loops, and the Double HermeneuticCredits: Series Producer: Catherine Harte Exec Producer: Sarah Thomas Producer/Sound Design/Editor: Clay Carnill Production Coordinator: Mandy Clark Social Media Manager: Kam-Mei Chak Communications Manager: Zoe Tcholak-Antitch Operations Manager: Katie Bradford
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200. Lifelines VS Deadlines: The Need For Science Based Policy (Part One)
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future. This week Paul Dickinson introduces the first of his two-part series on Lifelines vs Deadlines: The Need for Science Based Policy by delving into some of the big, underlying and often nefarious causes currently blocking the implementation of meaningful science-based policy which would accelerate our collective transition to a net zero world. Paul kicks off the episode by outlining the enormity of the net zero target that businesses have set themselves in line with scientific targets and expresses his belief (which is share by many) that these goals are not achievable without meaningful government policy to derisk, regulate, set a level playing field and penalise persistent offenders. Why then, instead of governments swooping in with these regulatory lifelines, are we seeing at best antipathy or at worst active disinformation campaigns to block regulation that might aid businesses to make the necessary transitions to align with Net Zero strategies and investments? What are the forces at play? Why aren't governments stepping up to the challenge? These are a few of the questions Paul and Dylan will be exploring over Part One of this mini series with a range of expert guests including:
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Senator Sheldon Whitehouse
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Naomi Oreskes
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Amita Chaudhury
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Steve Waygood
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Chris Skidmore MP
NOTES AND RESOURCES
Dylan Tanner, InfluenceMap Website | Twitter | LinkedIn Senator Sheldon Whitehouse Twitter | Instagram | Facebook Naomi Oreskes Twitter | LinkedIn Amita Chaudhury LinkedInAIA Group Twitter | Facebook | LinkedIn Steve Waygood Twitter | LinkedIn Aviva Investors LinkedIn | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram | YouTube Chris Skidmore MP Twitter Credits: Series Producer: Catherine Harte Exec Producer: Sarah Thomas Producer/Sound Design/Editor: Clay Carnill Production Coordinator: Mandy Clark Social Media Manager: Kam-Mei Chak Communications Manager: Zoe Tcholak-Antitch Operations Manager: Katie Bradford It’s official, we’re a TED Audio Collective Podcast - Proof! Check out more podcasts from The TED Audio Collective Please follow us on social media! Twitter | Instagram | LinkedIn
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199. Climate and Nature: One and The Same
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future. This week, Christiana, Tom and Paul cut straight to heart of our collective outrage following yet more announcements from Oil and Gas companies disclosing record-breaking profits. The fact that these record breaking profits are juxtaposed with record-breaking temperatures directly causing devastation to people and planet leads to a line-in-the-sand moment for Christiana. Our esteemed guest this week is Her Excellency Razan Khalifa Al Mubarak, UN Climate Change High-Level Champion for COP28. Tune in as the hosts explore with Razan her journey to her current role, her passionate focus and belief on the integral role of nature in tackling the climate crisis and the importance of engaging, understanding and preserving different cultural relationships to our environment. This week's music comes from a wonderful artist called Arya with her superb track: "The Art of Letting Go."
NOTES AND RESOURCES
H.E. Razan Al Mubarak UN Climate Change High-Level Champion from the COP28 Presidency LinkedIn | Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | Website Arya Instagram | Facebook | Spotify
Check out Arya’s “Por Amor De Mi Vida”
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WATCH: Zen Rapstars of Plum Village - “Little Star” Performance
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Bonus: From Action to Empathy to Impact
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
Okezue Bell, a high school senior, activist and a social entrepreneur, is the co-founder of Fidutam, a SIM card based application that provides microloans to low infrastructure and unbanked communities, and the co-inventor of something called WeArm, which is a low cost 3D printed human like prosthetic arm for below the elbow amputees.
Christiana and Tom caught up with him to hear more about his work in the climate space, how he views the current situation and his ideas for a clear solution driven approach to tackling the climate crisis.
Notes
Okezue Bell
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198. Dancing on Two Dancefloors
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
With our very own 'durational piece of art' Paul Dickinson away this week, Christiana and Tom take a sobering look at the heatwaves affecting so much of the global community right now; and analyse Dr. Sultan Ahmed Al Jaber's speech at the 14th Petersberg Climate Dialogue.
We also have music this week from Stella Talpo with her track Tarantino.
Clay is sadly away this week spending some time with the monastics of Plum Village - we are expecting him to be very Zen upon his return! Huge thanks as ever to Airaphon for helping with the edit.
Stella Talpo - Tarantino
Instagram | Twitter | Bio-site
For those interested in Tom and Christiana's reference to The Ministry of the Future, check out our episode with author Kim Stanley Robinson here
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197. What If Our Best Times Are Ahead Of Us?
Welcome to another bumper episode of Outrage + Optimism!
This week we kick off with a rather triumphant Paul Dickinson revelling in the news that Fox News personality, Tucker Carlson, has parted ways with the corporation. First David Malpass, now Tucker Carlson... We can’t help but wonder who else features on Paul’s mysterious list? Don’t worry Tom, you are quite safe. For now…
Christiana, Tom and Paul cover other big news in the US including Biden’s re-election bid; a White House commitment to put $1 billion into the Green Climate Fund; the announcement of the launch of Carbon Management Challenge; and an anticipated Biden vs Trump showdown. The recent G7, IMF and World Bank gatherings also come under the hosts scrutiny.
Our interview this week is with two formidable and fantastic women: (Mama) Mary Robinson (Chair of the Elders) and Hafsat Abiola, (President, Women in Africa (WIA) Initiative), who together have launched Project Dandelion, an incredible initiative that has grown out of the Connected Women Leaders network.
Finally, we play a brief clip featuring Mary Robinson taken from a short film entitled How Do We Get the World Off Fossil Fuels Quickly and Fairly? This film, recently made and released by our fantastic friends and partners over at TED Countdown serves as the second installment of their brilliant TED Countdown Dilemma Series. Be sure to watch the many varied viewpoints offered by an impressive line-up of guests here.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
Mary Robinson, Chair of The Elders
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Hafsat Abiola, President, Women in Africa (WIA) Initiative
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Women in Africa (WIA) Initiative
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Connected Women Leaders (CWL) and Project Dandelion
TED Countdown
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How Do We Get the World Off Fossil Fuels Quickly and Fairly
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Prince? Tzeporah? Shredding? —-> It will all make sense.
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AND - The Environmental Music Prize is BACK for 2023! YOU can take climate action by watching music videos and voting for your favourites to win the $20,000AUD prize!
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196. Earth Day Special: LIVE Q+A on Momentum vs Perfection
Welcome back to an Outrage + Optimism Earth Day Special where we are super excited to share with you this recording of our Live Q&A session recorded on Wednesday 19th April discussing the Momentum vs Perfection series.
We duly rolled out the red carpet once again for the fabulous Fiona McRaith who co-hosted the original Momentum vs Perfection mini-series with Tom Rivett-Carnac, and were thrilled to be able to offer our wonderful audience the chance to peek behind the curtain on our live recording and put their questions to the host team.
Tune in to hear our hosts’ answers to questions about momentum, perfection, diversity, 'the moveable middle', joy, spirituality and more.
PLUS Paul's singing 🎶 - and the audience vote on it 👍👎...?
NOTES AND RESOURCES
Fiona McRaith, Manager, Engagement & Delivery and Special Assistant to the President & CEO, Bezos Earth FundLinkedIn | Twitter | Instagram
To learn more about our planet’s climate emergency and how you can transform outrage into optimistic action subscribe to the podcast here.
Find out what’s happening around the globe on Earth Day 2023. Major events include Extinction Rebellion’s The Big One in London which aims to be the largest environmental protest of 2023, Earth Day DC’s End of Era of Fossil Fuels in Washington DC and countless more.
AND - The Environmental Music Prize is BACK for 2023! Starting Earth Day (Saturday) Apr 22, 2023 YOU can take climate action by watching music videos and voting for your favorites to win the $20,000AUD prize!
Go here to vote:
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195. A Better Future Emerging
With Tom away this week, tune in to hear Christiana Figueres and Paul Dickinson discuss announcements from the World Bank, the spring G7 meeting in Japan and Paul’s mini scoop into the issue of UK internal flights, as well as their fantastic interview with celebrated author Jon Alexander and his widely acclaimed book: “Citizens: Why the Key to Fixing Everything is All of Us”
We are also excited to share details of how you can join Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, Fiona McRaith and Paul Dickinson for a live online Q&A recording of Outrage + Optimism on Wednesday 19, 2023 @ 4.30pm BST / 11.30am EST. During this live Q&A session we will be taking questions resulting from Tom and Fiona’s mini series: Momentum vs Perfection. Please follow this link to register your place.
We will be taking a short break next week so please take time to revisit the mini-series here.
And we look forward to seeing as many of you as possible on Wednesday 19 April!
Enjoy the episode!
NOTES AND RESOURCES
O+O Live Q&A: Join Us - April 19, 2023 @ 4.30pm BST / 11.30am EST
Register to join us for our live online Q&A episode of Outrage + Optimism and put your question to our hosts, please click on this link and follow the instructions.
Rachel Kyte article mentioned by Christiana here
Jon Alexander
MUSIC
Banditos
Instagram | Bandcamp | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube
Be sure to spin and buy their latest record ‘Right On’!
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Learn more about the Paris Agreement.
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194. Making a Difference
Join Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson this week on Outrage + Optimism as they discuss how best to counter the doom and disinformation in the wake of the recent IPCC synthesis report.
Our special guest this week is Pete Betts, the much loved and highly respected civil servant with over 10 years as Director International climate and energy in the UK Government. Despite receiving a terminal diagnosis, Pete continues to dedicate his time and effort to climate change, specifically highlighting those who stand to suffer the most from its effects are kept in the forefront of decision makers minds as we attempt to face the challenges of climate change.
Pete shares that the two most important questions we believe we should all ask ourselves: “Are you surrounded by people you love and that love you? And did you make a difference?”
How would you respond?
NOTES AND RESOURCES
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Learn more about the Paris Agreement.
Pete Betts
The Climate Pledge Future Forward
The Climate Pledge | Twitter | Instagram | LinkedIn
MUSIC
Aisha Badru
Instagram | Twitter | Spotify | Apple Music
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193. Momentum VS Perfection: The Biggest Question in Climate Right Now? (Part Two)
Welcome back to part two of the mini-series Momentum vs Perfection!
This week Tom Rivett-Carnac and Fiona McRaith deepen their exploration of the tensions in the climate movement outlined in episode one, and look to see how we might begin to move past the current impasse to accelerate action in this decisive decade.
Journey with Tom, Fiona and their guests as they seek to answer the burning questions that they hope might unlock a trajectory to collaborative, joyful action. Some of these questions include:
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Is a rebuilding of trust and understanding among the different actors key?
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What part does the ‘moveable middle’ play on the spectrum of momentum and perfection.
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How do we ensure inclusivity and engagement of those whose voices are not currently represented in the wider movement?
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How do these divisions present in the corporate world where the sense of urgency is well embedded but transition to action is hesitant?
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What role can impartial actors and data play in pushing forward the momentum and perfection agendas?
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Can the capitalist spirit ever be used as a force to accelerate change as long as it is rooted in good intention?
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Is connection and personal relationships key to building the sense of common purpose and approach we need now?
Helping Tom and Fiona to answer these questions is an incredible line-up of guest speakers:
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Justin Forsyth, Co-Founder Count Us In, a radical collaboration of business, faith, sport, and civil society to inspire a billion people to take climate action.
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Farhana Yamin, Lawyer/Author/Activist & Keynote Speaker. Farhana is an internationally recognized environmental lawyer, climate change and development policy expert. She works part time at the Doc Society coordinating the Climate Reframe Project which seeks to amplify the voice of climate activists and experts from racialized minorities in the UK environment movement.
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Peter Bakker, President & CEO WBCSD, the global CEO-led community of the world’s leading sustainable businesses working collectively to accelerate the system transformations needed for a net zero, nature positive, and equitable future.
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Sister True Dedication, Zen Buddhist monastic teacher in Thich Nhat Hanh's Plum Village Community
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Prof Helen Pankhurst CBE. CARE International, MMU, UOS. Senior Advisor at international humanitarian agency CARE International, women’s rights activist, and the direct descendant of Emmeline Pankhurst and Sylvia Pankhurst, both leaders in the suffragette movement
NOTES AND RESOURCES
To learn more about our planet’s climate emergency and how you can transform outrage into optimistic action subscribe to the podcast here.
Learn more about the Paris Agreement.
Fiona McRaith, Manager, Engagement & Delivery and Special Assistant to the President & CEO, Bezos Earth Fund
LinkedIn | Twitter | Instagram
Justin Forsyth
LinkedIn | Twitter Count Us In
LinkedIn | Twitter | Instagram
Peter Bakker
WBCSD – World Business Council for Sustainable Development
Sister True Dedication
LinkedIn | Twitter | Instagram | Facebook
Helen Pankhurst, women’s rights activist and Senior Advisor, CARE International
Learn more about Pankhursts’s great-grandmother Emmeline Pankhurst and grandmother Sylvia Pankhurst, both leaders in the suffragette movement.
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192. Momentum VS Perfection: The Biggest Question in Climate Right Now? (Part One)
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
This week Tom Rivett-Carnac introduces the first of his two-part series on Momentum vs Perfection by looking at the different theories of change within the climate movement and asking if and how they can co-exist to drive the level of scale and action needed in this decisive decade.
He is joined on this complex and emotive journey by guest co-host Fiona McRaith, Manager of Engagement & Delivery and Special Assistant to the President & CEO at climate philanthropy fund Bezos Earth Fund. Fiona brings a (significantly younger) Gen Z perspective to this thought-provoking discussion.
Our co-hosts speak with a series of esteemed guests on this timely and important question, including:
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Helen Pankhurst, Senior Advisor at international humanitarian agency CARE International, women’s rights activist, and the direct descendant of Emmeline Pankhurst and Sylvia Pankhurst, both leaders in the suffragette movement
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Author, educator, environmentalist, and Co-Founder of international environmental organization 350.org, Bill McKibben
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Environmental activist and Co-Founder of global environmental movement Extinction Rebellion, Gail Bradbrook
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Jerome Foster II, Co-founder of Waic Up and youngest member of the White House Environmental Justice Advisory Council
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Director of mission-driven consulting firm Reos Partners, Adam Kahane
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Previous Director of Strategy for the Cabinet Office for COP 26 (the United Nations’ annual climate conference) Charles (Charlie) Ogilvie
Don’t miss Part One of this incredible and timely conversation, including insights from previous movements, generational collaboration, the value of civil disobedience, the role of data and measurement, and whether agreement between sides is necessary for advancement.
And be sure to look out for the final episode of this mini-series next week, in which our co-hosts, with the help of their guests, will hopefully draw some conclusions to help guide us in these crucial years.
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191. The Stories of Women are Precious
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
This week, co-hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson interrupt their previously scheduled programming一the launch of the O+O miniseries discussed last week一to celebrate International Women’s Day (recognized annually on March 8) with CEO & Leadership Activist Fabian Dattner. The team also covers big news about our oceans’ future and closes with music from Child Seat.
Tom starts with the news that after nearly 20 years, members of the United Nations have finally agreed on the United Nations High Seas Treaty, an international framework to protect biodiversity in international waters. It’s a massive achievement that protects the migratory routes of some of our most iconic species and demonstrates significant multilateral cooperation.
Oh, and negotiations were led by Rena Lee, Singapore’s Ambassador for Oceans and Law of the Sea Issues and Special Envoy of the Minister for Foreign Affairs一another great reason to celebrate International Women’s Day.
On a related note, Christiana references a disturbing statistic from a report prepared by GWL Voices for Change and Inclusion, an advocacy group of 62 current and former senior women leaders, that women have held just 12% of top positions at 33 of the largest multilateral institutions since 1945. Clearly, we still have a ways to go in the pursuit of gender equality.
Next, the trio welcomes CEO & Leadership Activist and the founder of the global leadership consultancy the Dattner Group, Fabian Dattner. The group discusses Dattner’s work at the nexus of leadership, support for women, and STEM (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics). While it may sound like an unconventional combination, Dattner explains how it all came together一initially in a dream一and later in her Homeward Bound initiative. It is, our co-hosts agree, an unassailable mix of what our world desperately needs and could use more of.
Later, Dattner brings up her trip to Antarctica and how the concept of success is as dangerous as the concept of failure. For many women, Dattner explains, success can be framed as an elusive ideal. She counsels that if you aren’t willing to fail, there’s nothing you can achieve because success is mostly a string of failures. These are just some of the topics from the group’s lively exchange!
Finally, the episode closes with the track “Burning” from indie rock powerhouse Child Seat.
You won’t want to miss this one!
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Find out more about the United Nations High Seas Treaty.
Download the report from GWL, Numbers Matter: To Fix the multilateral system start by including women.
Learn More about the Dattner Group, the Compass Leadership Program for Women, and Homeward Bound.
Here’s the 20023 Edelman Annual Trust Barometer referenced in the episode.
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190. Presenting: Coliving Conversations - Shared Living & the Climate Emergency
Welcome listeners as as we start the week with a special bonus episode from the wonderful folks at Conscious Coliving who recently hosted Tom Rivett-Carnac on their brilliant podcast Coliving Conversations, a show that shines light on the people, projects, and places of the blossoming coliving movement!
In this episode, join co-hosts Naima Ritter Figueres and Dr Penny Clark for an insightful conversation with Tom Rivett-Carnac where together they explore the role of communities in addressing the climate emergency. Enjoy!
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189. We Are in Listening Mode
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
This week, co-hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson discuss the amazing reviews they’ve received on the podcast and take the opportunity to thank listeners for participating with us in trying to save our planet. The team also announces an upcoming special project they’ve been working on and chats about the nomination of Ajay Banga as World Bank President. A frightening new study on the accelerating rates of extinction is also discussed, and there’s music from Bailen.
Paul starts with highlights from the results of a listener feedback survey. First, a whopping 87% of respondents said they’d taken action on climate change since listening to the podcast, which includes sharing the podcast一a key part of our mission一and for which we’re deeply grateful. Plus, only 43% of those listening work in the climate space. That means we’re breaking out of the climate bubble and bringing people outside of climate into the conversation. “Astonishing!” declares Christiana. Wait until you hear the rest!
Next, Tom introduces a fresh theme on O+O related to personal projects each of the co-hosts will work on individually and bring to the podcast. Over the next few weeks, Tom will begin the series on different approaches to change一momentum and perfection. He’ll explore whether they can work together, and if so, how? Exciting stuff is on the way!
In the following segment, our co-hosts weigh in on the World Bank presidential nomination of Ajay Banga, previously President and CEO of MasterCard. They agree he’s a hopeful choice for, among many other things, bringing climate issues back to the World Bank, which stands in contrast to the positions held by outgoing president David Malpass, a climate denier.
Finally, the trio discusses the alarming new study by lead author Dr. Yuangeng Huang of the China University of Geosciences on the steady destruction of biodiversity and how it’s likely to suddenly tip over into total ecosystem collapse. All agree the study didn’t get the coverage it should have, and that it’s critical we’re focused now on strategies and capital allocations to protect and reverse habitat destruction. Climate won’t matter if this doesn’t get done.
Again, thank you for taking the time to respond so thoughtfully to our listeners’ survey and to help us improve the podcast.
And before you leave please don’t miss the beautiful three-part family harmonies of Bailen on their moving ballad “Eyelashes.”
Correction: We would like to apologise for the mispronunciation of Dr Yuangeng Huang's name during the episode.
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Find out more about Ajay Banga, the U.S. nomination to lead the World Bank.
Here is The Guardian’s coverage of Dr. Yuangeng Huang’s study on ecosystem collapse.
Here is Dr. Yuangeng Huang’s study itself.
More on Elizabeth Kolbert’s The Sixth Extinction: An Unnatural History referenced in the episode.
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188. The Path to Sustainability is Equity
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
In this episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres and Paul Dickinson interview climate leaders Sandrine Dixson-Declève, Co-President of global issues think tank the Club of Rome (the Club), and Johan Rockström, Joint Director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (Potsdam).
Our esteemed guests discuss the 50th anniversary of the Club’s groundbreaking report on the implications of continued worldwide expansion, “Limits to Growth” (Limits), and their recently published collaborative report “Earth for All: A Survival Guide for Humanity (Earth For All).”
Serving as both a sort of update to “Limits,” and a new solutions manual, “Earth For All” goes deep into the interrelationships between global stress points, the consequential scenarios that could lay ahead of us, and the policy recommendations we need to save our future.
It’s a fascinating conversation that covers planetary boundary science, dynamic systems modeling, the social tension index, and whether we can reach aspirational and equitable goals for humanity within our environmental boundaries. Importantly, we explore whether a planetary solution is possible without addressing systemic inequity.
Of course, be sure to stick around for music this week from brand new father/son duo Emrys + Clay.
Don’t miss a minute of this compelling episode!
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Sandrine Dixson-Declève, Co-President of the Club of Rome
Explore The Club of Rome and the original landmark report (including a free download), “Limits to Growth.” An updated version is available here.
Johan Rockström, Director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research
Listen to a previous episode featuring Rockström about the race to zero.
Learn about the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research
Read more or get your own copy of “Earth for All: A Survival Guide for Humanity.”
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Weekend Rewind: Our Conversation with Nicola Sturgeon
This week in a surprise move, the First Minister of Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, announced her resignation. So in light of this profoundly ego-less moment of leadership, we revisit a stirring conversation we had with her in 2021 when we visited the First Minister at her residence in Edinburgh during the TED Countdown Conference.
Our conversation surrounded this new vision she had brought forth into the world for small countries collaborating on climate action, detailed in the instantly-popular TED Talk she had just delivered earlier that day (immediately followed by a standing ovation). Tom said, “it was one of the best I’ve ever seen.”
This interview is part of a longer episode we published in 2021 titled, ‘Small Countries, Big Vision with Nicola Sturgeon’. You can listen to that full episode and more by visiting the Outrage + Optimism website or by finding us wherever you get your podcasts.
Enjoy the Rewind.
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187. THIS is the Rainy Day
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
In this episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson discuss the monstrous profits made by Big Oil last year, how at least one fossil fuel firm plans to invest its gains, and what it all means for the climate agenda going forward. They also speak to Avinash Persaud (Avi), Special Envoy to the Prime Minister of Barbados on Investment and Financial Services and creator of the 2022 Bridgetown Initiative, and we have music from gifted musician Scotty Grand.
The team opens with the astounding report that BP, Chevron, Equinor, ExxonMobil, Shell, and TotalEnergies together made more than $200 billion in profits in 2022. What’s even more shocking? BP followed with an announcement that in the interests of “energy security,” it’s scaling back its 2030 emissions reductions targets from 40% to 25%. Let’s just say the trio doesn’t mince words in response. Outrage indeed!
Next, Avi Persaud outlines his work on the 2022 Bridgetown Initiative with Prime Minister of Barbados, Mia Mottley. While climate change impacts us all, it does so unevenly. Those who suffer disproportionately have the narrowest access to capital support. Can our current economic system address this problem? Persaud leads a fascinating discussion on the power of global financeーwhen deployed creativelyーto drive extraordinary changemaking. Find out how callable capital, international reserve currency, and other key levers could meet the significant systemic challenges in front of us today.
Finally, we have music from the one and only Scotty Grand. He’s served as Creative Director, Keyboardist, and MC for Grammy-nominated artists Jordin Sparks, the Jonas Brothers, and fellow pianist Alicia Keys, among many other A-listers. He’s also the great-nephew of legendary gospel singer Mahalia Jacksonーand Christiana’s neighbor!
You won’t want to miss a minute of this substantive and thrilling episode!
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186. The Breakthrough Effect
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
In this episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson discuss US President Joe Biden’s State of the Union address, a possible green race to the top across the G7 nations, and how to identify positive economic tipping points with Kelly Levin, Co-Director of the Systems Change Lab and Chief of Science, Data and Systems Change for the Bezos Earth Fund, which provides grants to support the climate and nature.
The team agrees that United States politics, as witnessed through the lens of the annual State of the Union speech, seems like a slugfest, with jabs from both sides but no winner. Still, they admire Biden’s multiple references to climate change as a global security issue affecting vulnerable people一rather than more political drama. Also worth discussing: Could Biden have a chance at winning reelection in 2024? The trio weighs in.
Next, Kelly Levin discusses the Breakthrough Effect, a groundbreaking report on how to trigger a cascade of tipping points to accelerate the net zero transition. She outlines the three super leverage points that could prompt the “tipping of the tipping points” to bring about planet-saving climate action. Electric vehicles (EVs), green ammonia, and alternative proteins play a role.
The co-hosts contend this is a welcome concept一that if we can trigger the right leverage points, we can cause a global cascade of positive climate change. From there, we can go from a linear to exponential transformation. It’s almost a relief to think it’s possible, especially in the face of grinding, slow change that seemingly won’t be fast enough to save the planet. You won’t want to miss this fascinating conversation!
Finally, alt-pop singer-songwriter Panteon closes the episode with the beautiful acoustic track “Archipelago.”
See you next week!
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Kelly Levin, Co-Director Systems Change Lab
Find out more about The Breakthrough Effect report
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185. Welcome to 2023
Happy New Year!
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
After a well-spent hiatus, the team returns with the first episode of what we hope to be an amazing year documenting climate progress! We know from previous years that many people discover the podcast over our break, so If you're a new listener, we're thrilled you’re here!
In today’s episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson catch up on what’s been happening in climate over the last few weeksーand what’s to come in 2023.
First up, the team chats about their break and the importance of taking time to reflect and cultivate equanimity, self-care, and inner strength. And speaking of inner strength, what about the brave decision of New Zealand’s Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, to leave office after five remarkable years? Our co-hosts weigh in with some thought-provoking insights.
There’s talk of Dr. Sultan Al Jaber, the controversial pick to be the president of COP28—this year’s UN climate conference, which is set to be held in Dubai. Al Jaber is the Minister for Industry and Advanced Technology and Managing Director and Group CEO of the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company (ADNOC). Check out Christiana’s Op-Ed on Al Jaber in The New Statesman.
This year will also mark the first global stocktake (GST), the process designed to assess the world’s progress toward achieving the purpose behind the landmark Paris Agreement.
Oh, and Paul’s “friend” wrote a poem about Christianaーyou’ll have to listen to find out what rhymes with “emissions.”
Finally, we leave you this week with the beautifully haunting track “Oh Mother” from Sive.
Bye for now!
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Tom recommends Stolen Focus by Johann Hari.
Learn more about ChatGPT.
Read Christiana’s Op-Ed about Dr. Sultan Al Japer in The New Statesman.
Learn more about COP28.
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184. Last Episode of 2022: Strong Back, Soft Front
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
In the final episode of 2022, co-hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson look back at what transpired this year, what went well, what didn't, and what to expect in 2023. Plus, they have a conversation with spiritual leader Roshi Joan Halifax and highlight music from Windser.
Reflecting on the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the team addresses the profound tragedy of the war but also how it proved to be a watershed moment for exposing the vulnerability of fossil fuel markets. It appears the weaponization of energy has driven the world closer toward decarbonization.
While 2022 was undoubtedly marked by tragedy, there was some good news, including three landmark legislative wins from the United States that contain meaningful provisions to address climate change. They also hailed the recent announcement from the U.S. Department of Energy about an unexpected breakthrough: Scientists at the National Ignition Facility (NIF) in California for the first time successfully generated more energy from a fusion reaction than what was required to produce it. And in another positive note, biodiversity is also getting a much-needed boost from the 15th Conference of the Parties (COP15) to the United Nations Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD).
Next, guest Roshi Joan Halifax provides a nourishing dose of inspiration with her thoughts on her lifelong spiritual journey, social and environmental engagement, and cultivating resilience in the face of increased uncertainty.
It’s the type of motivational close to the year we needed. As we all take stock, we’re reminded that we couldn’t do this without your support, and we thank you from the depths of our hearts for joining us on this journey to better understand our ability to come together to affect transformation in the world.
Also, we wish environmental activist, Buddhist scholar, and dear friend Joanna Macy, a swift recovery as she recuperates from pneumonia in the hospital. You can find more about Macy and her work in the show notes below.
Finally, we’ll leave you with the dazzling sounds of California singer/songwriter Windser.
Have a wonderful holiday season, and we’ll see you in January 2023.
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Read more about the United Nations Biodiversity Conference (COP15).
Find out more about fusion energy from the National Ignition Facility (NIF).
Listen to environmental activist, Buddhist scholar, and deep ecologist Joanna Macy on Outrage! + Optimism. Explore her celebrated book Active Hope.
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Stream the new EP - “Where The Redwoods Meet The Sea”
Watch Windser perform with Macklemore on Jimmy Kimmel Live!
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183. And Then a HERO Comes Along
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
Who are our heroes? How do we select them? In addition to parents, families, partners, friends, comic book characters, or others on your list, you might want to add today’s guests. In this episode, co-host Christiana Figueres speaks with climate activists Mauricio Porras and Anuna De Wever about HERO一a climate tech startup on a mission to empower people to accelerate change in the world.
Co-founder Porras and advisory board member De Wever share the inspiring story behind this extraordinary organization and platform一which enables subscribers to provide critical financial support to those on the frontlines of climate action. Links on how to subscribe are below!
As climate activists, they are all too familiar with how draining such work can be. Most activists, in fact, must hold down other jobs to support themselves. This often becomes exhausting, and untenable一which can negatively impact the campaign’s momentum.
Find out how HERO creatively addresses this very real need for financial support while sharing highlights of activist journeys and connecting climate “mobilizers” (their term) with broader communities worldwide. It’s an uplifting conversation that touches on tech, finance, innovation, communication, climate, and some of the true heroes of the climate movement.
You won’t want to miss it! As the holiday season approaches please consider supporting the activist community by subscribing to a policy circle of your choice.
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182. COP15: Nothing Without Nature!
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue on building a sustainable future.
In this jam-packed episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson catch up on news from the Earthshot Prize awards ceremony in Boston, the United Nations Biodiversity Conference (COP 15) in Montréal, insights from Conservation International’s Dr. M. Sanjayan, and music from Boyish.
Christiana opens by recounting her time at the award ceremony for the Earthshot Prize一the world’s most prestigious environmental award. Highlights include the “green carpet” with such A-listers as Prince William, Billie Eilish, Annie Lennox, and David Beckham, among others, £5 million in prizes, and the extraordinary winners themselves. Christiana was actually brought to tears.
The team also previews the UN Biodiversity Conference COP15, which started Dec. 7. Conference dynamics are bound to be interesting since it’s being chaired by the Chinese delegation (a holdover from the cancellation of the in-person conference in 2020) but hosted by the Canadians in Montréal. Listen for all the details on “30 by 30,” the significance of biodiversity for global GDP, and more.
Later, Conservation International CEO Dr. M Sanjayan shares his thoughts on the connection between climate and nature, why the nature agenda is一counterintuitively一running behind the climate agenda, and the forthcoming nature economy.
We close the episode with music from the indie duo, Boyish. They’ve amassed more than 15 million streams across their catalog, received praise from publications including Billboard, Paper, Office Magazine, and Pigeons and Planes, and were the recipient of the 2021 LGBTQ+ Emerging Artist Award.
Enjoy their beautifully evocative track, “mom i think i'm gay”
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Catch up with The Earthshot Prize 2022
Learn more about the UN Biodiversity Conference: COP15 in Montréal
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181. A U.S. Special: Making The Irresistible Irreversible!
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue on building a sustainable future.
In this episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres and Tom Rivett-Carnac go deep into U.S. domestic energy policy with guests U.S. Secretary of Energy Jennifer M. Granholm and White House Deputy National Climate Advisor Ali Zaidi.
First up, the critical topic of energy justice: Granholm updates the team on the Justice40 Initiative, in which an unprecedented 40 percent of federal energy investments are earmarked for disadvantaged and historically underserved communities that are overburdened by pollution. The plans, which seek to reckon with deep-seated inequities, are ambitious, exciting, and groundbreaking.
Speaking of action, Tom and Christiana’s next guest is optimist and White House Climate Advisor Ali Zaidi. He contends the U.S. is on a positive linear trajectory and accelerating exponentiallyーnot just in clean energy or emissions reduction but in terms of the political economy backing these actions. Get the scoop on how federal agencies and departments are pushing forward together.
We finish the episode with the beautiful track “Until the Day” by Los Angeles-based singer-songwriter BEL. Additional details are included in the show notes below.
You won’t want to miss a second of this electrifying episode!
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180. TED Countdown Dilemma Series: Is There a Role for Carbon Credits in the Transition to a Fair, Net-Zero Future?
Today, a special TED Countdown conversation for you!
In June 2022, TED’s climate initiative, Countdown, launched its Dilemma Series: events designed to look at some of the “knots” in the climate change space, where diverging positions have stalled progress and solidified into an inability to collaborate across differences.
What we offer today is one of the conversations recorded as part of that event between Outrage + Optimism host Tom Rivett-Carnac, and academic, writer, and author Professor James Dyke.
The event focused on the question: Is there a role for carbon credits in the transition to a fair, net-zero future? We hope that Tom and James' ‘agreeable disagreement’ on this often divisive issue will be taken as an invitation to listen deeply, keep an open mind and get a little wiser on a complex topic.
Please follow the links below to view the fantastic film produced by the TED Countdown team, and gain a greater insight and understanding on the topic of carbon credits but also the process of holding space for such conversations to take place. Carbon credits is a contentious subject that prompted some discomfort, disagreement and, ultimately, a renewed sense of possibility. Enjoy
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179. The Best of Times, The Worst of Times
“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of light, it was the season of darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair.” Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue on building a sustainable future.
In this episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson give their concluding thoughts on COP27, followed by Tom’s interview with Rory Stewart OBE FRSGS FRSL一former Conservative cabinet minister, diplomat, soldier, author, academic, charitable entrepreneur, and podcaster一a true polymath if there ever was one.
We close the episode with music from British singer-songwriter L.A. Salami and his captivating single, “Desperate Times, Mediocre Measures.”
Enjoy the show!
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Watch the amazing video for “Desperate Times, Mediocre Measures.”
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Clay’s Pick of The Week - ‘Things Ain’t Changed’
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178. COP27: Why the Money Flow is Slow
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue on building a sustainable future.
In this episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson share their reflections on COP27. We also have music from South Africa’s Daily Maverick, featuring the brilliant vocalist, Anneli Kamfer.
Tom is back from Sharm El Sheikh, Egypt, where he spent several days at COP27, the UN’s annual climate conference. The trio discusses whether the international commitment to contain global warming to 1.5°C一now that the target seems to be moving out of reach一is as robust as it should be. Is conference messaging, such as “[We are] resolved to pursue efforts,” as strong as it should be?
Next, there’s good and bad news on “Loss and Damage.” This refers to the responsibility of industrialized nations for the climate crisis and the moral case for compensating poorer countries suffering disproportionately from its consequences. Hear the breakdown and where the group stands on the progress of this critical issue.
Other COP27 discussions cover balancing collective global action with internal political realities, strides in reversing deforestation, and Tom’s birthday!
You won’t want to miss this engaging conversation!
Before we go to the music, hear our incredible ‘pass the mic’ segment where Zoe, our roving reporter, spent an afternoon capturing diverse voices from COP 27 delegates in the halls and corridors of the conference.
Finally, we finish with our musical selection: “20Twenties: Eve of Destruction,” by the Daily Maverick, featuring the celebrated vocalist Anneli Kamfer.
Enjoy the show!
NOTES AND RESOURCES
To learn more about our planet’s climate emergency and how you can transform outrage into optimistic action subscribe to the podcast here.
Explore more about COP27.
It’s official, we’re a TED Audio Collective Podcast - Proof!
Check out more podcasts from The TED Audio Collective.
MUSIC
Listen to the full track “20Twenties: Eve of Destruction” from the Daily Maverick featuring acclaimed vocalist, Anneli Kamfer.
Learn more about the Daily Maverick and the Our Burning Planet initiative.
Here’s a well-known version of Eve of Destruction, written by 19-year-old PF Sloan in 1965 and recorded soon after by Barry McGuire.
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177. Future of Food: Live from COP27
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue on building a sustainable future.
In this special episode we bring you the conclusion of our celebrated Future of Food series, recorded live from COP 27. Outrage + Optimism host Tom Rivett-Carnac pulls together an incredible line up of leaders to explore how food might act as the connecting force that engages communities and individuals and brings us all together in a united global movement.
First, Tom takes the opportunity to catch up Per Heggenes, the CEO of The IKEA Foundation, to hear why food is of huge importance to his organisation's work and why Per believes food needs to stay top of the global agenda.
Next, Tom convenes a fascinating and diverse group of guests in a unique and quirky setting: a blue shipping container repurposed in collaboration with Museum for the United Nations UN Live team and The IKEA Foundation using Global We portals, to bring the voices of people on the frontline of climate change, directly into the heart of climate conversations at COP27 via full length screens, set up in diverse global locations.
Listen to the fascinating contributions from Tom's IRL guests Paul Polman, Business Leader, Former CEO of Unilever and co-author of Net Positive; Liesbet Steer, Executive Director of the Education Commission; and Sophia Kianni climate activist, Executive Director of Climate Cardinals and the youngest member on the United Nations Secretary-General's Youth Advisory Group on Climate Change; and our Global We portal leaders from Kigali Sarah Kenkuyu, Program Manager at GiveDirectly Rwanda; Kristian Gasaro, activist, Greenpreneur and photographer; and Tanignigui Siriki Soro, a writer and community leader from the Ivory Coast.
The resulting conversation is as diverse and as fascinating as our guests themselves.
Enjoy the show!
NOTES AND RESOURCES
To learn more about our planet’s climate emergency and how you can transform outrage into optimistic action subscribe to the podcast here.
The IKEA Foundation
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Museum for the United Nations
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Per Heggenes
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Paul Polman
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Liesbet Steer
The Education Commission
Sophia Kianni
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Sarah Kenkuyu
GiveDirectly
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Kristian Gasaro
Tanignigui Siriki Soro
Want to participate in the COP27 Civic Imagination Lab? REGISTER HERE
Also, explore more about COP27
It’s official, we’re a TED Audio Collective Podcast!
Check out more podcasts from The TED Audio Collective
Go listen to Abigael Kima’s coverage of COP27 on the Hali Hewa Podcast
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176. COP27: Loss and Damage in the Spotlight
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue on building a sustainable future.
First up we have some exclusive news... *drumroll*... We are excited to announce that Outrage + Optimism is now part of the TED Audio Collective! This news represents an exciting continuation of the collaboration between our organizations, which began with our strategic partnership with TED Countdown.
The TED Audio Collective is a curated collection of podcasts sharing ideas on a range of subjects, including psychology, business, and design. Be sure to check out some of the other podcasts in the collective!
Back to this special COP 27 episode... co-hosts Christiana Figueres and Paul Dickinson talk long-distance with co-host Tom Rivett-Carnac, who’s on the ground at the COP27 UN climate conference in Sharm El Sheikh, Egypt. Also, Christiana interviews Simon Stiell, the latest Executive Secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), and the podcast announces a new partnership with TED Audio Collective.
First, Tom calls in from COP27, where the top item on the agenda is “Loss and Damage,” which refers to the historical responsibility of industrialized nations for the climate crisis and the moral case for compensating poorer and developing countries suffering the brunt of its many devastating effects. What is fair, really?
Next, Christiana discusses getting things done, accountability, and the power of meditation with UNFCCC Secretary Simon Stiell. They expand on COP27 and the role of oil and gas companies in the conference. You won’t want to miss this engaging conversation.
The team closes with their reflections on the midterm elections in the United States (votes are still being counted) and what a divided Congress means for President Biden’s climate agenda. And finally, producer Clay brings us the goods on O+O’s new partnership with the TED Audio Collective and today’s tune from British guitar-goddess and artist, Anna Calvi: “Don’t Beat the Girl Out of My Boy.”
Enjoy the show!
NOTES AND RESOURCES
To learn more about our planet’s climate emergency and how you can transform outrage into optimistic action subscribe to the podcast here.
Want to participate in the COP27 Civic Imagination Lab? REGISTER HERE
Also, explore more about COP27
It’s official, we’re a TED Audio Collective Podcast - Proof!
Check out more podcasts from The TED Audio Collective
Want to join our Book Club? Read Jon Alexander’s ‘CITIZENS’ and email your question from the book to contact@globaloptimism.com to be invited to an invite-only session with Jon and us!
Go listen to Abigael Kima’s coverage of COP27 on the Hali Hewa Podcast
GUEST
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MUSIC
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Be sure to listen to ‘Indies or Paradise’ -Clay
Listen to the full album ‘HUNTER’
Peaky Blinders fans - Listen to ‘Tommy EP’
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175. COP27: A Little Less Conversation, A Lot More (Climate) Action
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism!
Co-hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson catch up on the whirlwind political news from the last few weeks. They cover the defeat of Brazil’s far-right President Jair Bolsonaro by former president (and prisoner) Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva aka “Lula,” the upcoming COP27, and the U.S. midterm elections.
First up, Brazil. The news of Lula’s presidential win is a victory for the planet. Deforestation skyrocketed under Bolsonaro but declined under Lula’s first stint as president. However, it won’t be easy to reverse Bolsanaro’s trends. Lula doesn’t have a Congressional majority, and Bolsonaro’s party just picked up a few more legislative seats. What will this mean for Brazil’s regeneration initiatives?
Next, the team discusses COP27, the upcoming UN climate conference. This year’s theme will be implementation rather than high-stakes, multi-governmental negotiation. But that has our trio wondering about what that means for the private sector? With $20 trillion in income, they’re essential to hitting net zero targets. What role will they play?
On to U.S. and U.K. politics: Republicans一with their climate denial stance一seem poised to win both legislative houses in the upcoming American midterm elections. And across the pond, the U.K. continues to flounder in its ongoing leadership crisis. How does this affect the U.S. and U.K. climate agendas, wealthy western oil companies, or climate finance commitments to developing countries?
You won’t want to miss the team’s insights!
Finally, enjoy the amazing British-Asian fusion sound of Nikhil Beats with an exclusive performance of his song 'Wisdom ft. Eclipse'.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
To learn more about our planet’s climate emergency and how you can transform outrage into optimistic action subscribe to the podcast here.
Learn more about COP27
Participate in the COP27 Civic Imagination Lab – REGISTER HERE
Nikhil Beats
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Get Tickets to Nikhil’s Headlining Show in London on Nov 16!
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Watch Sister True Dedication’s Ted Talk
Listen to Sister True Dedication on 10 Percent Happier with Dan Harris
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Bonus. Hali Hewa: Gender and the Climate Crisis with Sofanit Mesfin
Welcome to the fifth episode of the Hali Hewa Podcast.
‘Hali Hewa’ is a Swahili term for ‘climate ' and this podcast series is hosted and produced by Kenyan climate activist, Abigael Kima.
In the lead up to the COP27 international climate negotiations, which are now just a month away, Abigael interviews African climate change experts and activists on the issues that matter most to them. Guests sign off each episode by sharing what they feel the COP27 conference must deliver on.
Our guest today is Sofanit Mesfin. Sofanit is a gender specialist working as the Regional Gender and Social Inclusion Coordinator at Ripple Effect, formerly known as ‘Send A Cow’. Ripple Effect works with smallholder farmers to equip them with knowledge and skills enabling them to improve their livelihoods and thrive. Farmers working alongside Ripple Effect learn more, grow more and sell more. They can feed their families nutritious food, and by having a surplus to sell can invest in their farms, send their children to school and build sustainable agri-businesses.
In this episode, Sofanit takes us through her journey working with women farmers in different African countries to deliver training programs that help them adapt to a changing climate. She explains how and why women and children are disproportionately affected by the impacts of climate change, and what Ripple Effect is doing to ease the burden on women, children and their households. Sofanit also explains how other stakeholders can come on board to support this kind of work, ensuring that more and more communities get support to build resilience and secure a healthy future for themselves and their children.
Sofanit signs off the show by sharing what she wants the upcoming COP27 climate conference in Egypt to deliver in November.
Enjoy the show!
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174. These are Powerful Times
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism!
In this episode, co-host Christiana Figueres is joined by an all-female cast. You’ll hear from climate activist Abigael (Abbie) Kima from Kenya about her recent visit with His Holiness, the Dalai Lama, and Isabel Cavelier, Colombian climate activist and recent recipient of the prestigious Climate Breakthrough Award, an initiative of the Climate Breakthrough Project.
We also feature music from the British indie rock duo, Penelope Isles.
First, Abbie Kima brings Christiana up to date with her podcast, the Hali Hewa Podcast一“Hali ya Hewa” is Swahili for “climate”一covering indigenous people, women, and climate emergencies from the African perspective. Kima also recounts her extraordinary (collective) meeting with the Dalai Lama at the Mind & Life Institute in Dharamsala. She discusses his teachings about how oneness across all people is innately linked to global climate action.
Next, Christiana chats with Isabel Cavelier about her fascinating climate journey. Isabel touches on her early work helping develop the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs一the United Nations framework for global peace and prosperity一her climate action organization Transforma, and her work in the climate movement today. They also touch on Cavelier’s Climate Breakthrough Award, one of the field's most distinguished honors.
Finally, we close the episode with indie rock band Penelope Isles's new release, “Underwater Record Store.”
See you next week!
NOTES AND RESOURCES
To learn more about our planet’s climate emergency and how you can transform outrage into optimistic action subscribe to the podcast here.
Shoutout to our very own Freya Newman on her research being published in Nature Communications!
Want to participate in the COP27 Civic Imagination Lab?
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GUESTS
Abigael Kima
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Listen to Abbie’s Hali Hewa Podcast
Isabel Cavelier Adarve
Learn more about Isabel’s award from Climate Breakthrough
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Clay’s Recommendation: Check out their LIVE KEXP and AudioTree Performances!
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173. The Way Out Is In: Benefitting from a Spiritual Practice
Many of us living through the climate emergency are asking, how do we support positive change in the world? How do I bring presence and insight into my daily life and the global challenges we face? How do I cultivate inner peace amidst these crises? How can I show up in my daily life as my authentic self?
This week on the podcast, our very own host Tom Rivett-Carnac moonlights as a guest for a special episode of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives.
Presenters, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and journalist Jo Confino, discuss with Tom the power that deep spiritual grounding has to make mindfulness a tool for individual and collective awakening, not only in life in general, but specifically during an ecological and climate crisis.
Tom also talks about his early-life experience as a Buddhist monk; the benefits of spiritual development, how it precipitates coming together without egoic attachment to find collective solutions, and how to use it as a tool to integrate practice and activism.
And stick around to the end of the episode for a ‘The Way Out Is In’ tradition, a short meditation guided by Brother Phap Huu.
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NOTES AND RESOURCES
Listen and Subscribe to ‘The Way Out Is In’
Plum Village App
Thich Nhat Hanh
Plum Village
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Brother Chân Pháp Hữu
Jo Confino
Next ‘The Way Out Is In’ Recommended Episodes To LISTEN To:
Zen and The Art of Saving The Planet
Wise Leadership w/ Lindsay Levin
WATCH: ‘A Cloud Never Dies’ on YouTube
READ: ‘Zen and The Art of Saving the Planet’ by Thich Nhat Hanh
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172. Dinner with Satish Kumar
This week, a bonus episode with something a little different than normal. Join us for a dinner conversation at Tom's house with Satish Kumar!
Peace-pilgrim, life-long activist and former monk, Satish Kumar has been inspiring global change for over 50 years. Aged 9, Satish renounced the world and joined the wandering Jain monks. Inspired by Gandhi, he decided at 18 that he could achieve more back in the world and soon undertook a peace-pilgrimage, walking without money from India to America in the name of nuclear disarmament. Now in his 80s, Satish has devoted his life to campaigning for ecological regeneration, social justice and spiritual fulfillment.
So find a seat, grab a glass, and enjoy the conversation!
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NOTES AND RESOURCES
Schumacher College
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The Resurgence Trust
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171. ESG: Facts Are Not Political
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism!
As always, we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue on building a sustainable future.
In this episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson discuss the anti-ESG (environmental, social, and governance) movement in the U.S. and its broader implications for the role of corporate institutions in an increasingly climate-sensitive world.
You’ll hear from Jesse Coleman, Senior Researcher with investigative watchdog and journalism project Documented. Jesse and his team have uncovered some astounding research on the sobering reality behind the ESG pushback.
You won’t want to miss a second of this important and intriguing discussion!
Also, enjoy the outro track, entitled “Frying Paint,” from guest artist, Archive. Details, including a link to the brilliant video, are in the show notes below.
See you next time!
CORRECTION: Our host Paul Dickinson mentions in the show that Paul Watchman produced a fiduciary duty report for Linklaters. The fiduciary duties report Paul Watchman was responsible for was from Freshfields....not Linklaters.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
Jesse Coleman
Learn more about Jesse’s research on Documented
LinkedIn | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram
Read a joint report on ExxonMobil by Jesse (Documented) and Emily Atkin (HEATED)
Huge, huge shout out to Jason Schwartz and Kathleen Brophy at The Sunrise Project for their incredible work bringing this anti-ESG movement to our attention, and for all their help and generosity.
State Financial Officers Foundation
Texas Public Policy Foundation
Music This Week: Archive
Twitter | Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | Music
Tom + Clay recommend Archive’s video for “Frying Paint”
Clay’s Pick of The Week - Archive’s “Shouting Within”
Be sure to check out “The Way Out Is In” - our sister podcast with Plum Village!
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170. Australia is Back!
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism.
As always, we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue on building a sustainable future.
In this episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres and Paul Dickinson are joined by guest co-host and friend, Dean Bialek. Dean has worked on climate change for years in his native Australia, which is especially relevant to today’s episode.
The team spends some time Down Under一well, proverbially speaking一conversing with Aussies-extraordinaire Zali Steggall, Australia’s most renown international alpine skier, Teal Movement founder, and current independent member of the Australian Parliament for Warringah; and Mike Cannon-Brookes, climate activist and Co-Founder and Co-CEO of software juggernaut Atlassian Corporation Plc.
Our guests weigh in on Australia’s new government, its audacious climate bill, and how a nation chock-full of renewable resources (but historically low political will) could be about to pivot to climate superpower status.
We also have an update on the Environmental Music Prize from Edwina Floch, Founder of The Environmental Music Prize as well as a music track from the Winner of the Prize, King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard.
You won’t want to miss this inspiring podcast episode一It’s definitely ace!
NOTES AND RESOURCES
To learn more about our planet’s climate emergency and how you can transform outrage into optimistic action subscribe to the podcast here.
Thank you to our guest co-host, Dean Bialek!
Dean Bialek
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Thank you to our guests this week!
Zali Steggall | Member Australian Parliament for Warringah
Twitter | Facebook | Instagram | YouTube | Website
Mike Cannon-Brookes | Co-founder and Co-CEO of Atlassian
Atlassian
Website | Twitter | LinkedIn | Facebook | YouTube
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Congratulations to our musical guest and winner of the 1st Environmental Music Prize, King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard!
King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard
Instagram | Twitter | YouTube | BandCamp | Website
Go watch their Prize-Winning Music Video “If Not Now, Then When” on YouTube
**Note from Clay** - It’s f***ing awesome
Listen more from the Environmental Music Prize and sign up for their newsletter to stay tuned for next year's prize!
Edwina Floch
Environmental Music Prize
Instagram | Facebook | LinkedIn | YouTube
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Check out Tom’s appearance on the Coliving Conversations podcast.
Learn more about Australia’s Climate Change Bill 2022
Learn more about the Australia Asia Powerlink by Sun Cable
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169. Do The Work
Welcome to this week’s episode - It’s a packed agenda. Our hosts cover everything from nature breakdown in the UK, the threat of nuclear war in Europe, the downfall of a World Bank President and plenty in-between. We also hear from the incredible Helen Clarkson and Catherine McKenna on everything to do with greenwashing, carbon tax and the power of straight-talking on climate. For those of you working in the corporate world and grappling with climate action, this is an episode you do not want to miss.
Helen Clarkson, CEO of the Climate Group which convenies Climate Week NYC, shares a fascinating insight at the disconnect happening within companies on the road to net zero, who are now having to turn their commitments into real action.
And that brings us to the fascinating conversation on greenwashing with Catherine McKenna, Chair of something with an extraordinarily long and very difficult to say without reading your notes name: the UN’s High-Level Expert Group on the Net-Zero Emissions Commitments of Non-State Entities. We talk about how, while we’re all outraged - rightly - by greenwashing, we still need to lift up the folks who are doing the real work and not lump everyone in the same group.
And there’s more: on the balance between integrity and momentum, supply chain efficiencies, understanding risk, a price on carbon, disclosure and what blockchain has to do with all of that.
We wrap up with a gorgeous song from Finnegan Tui. Your ears will thank you for staying on to listen.
Notes and Resources
Thank you to our guests this week:
Helen Clarkson | Chief Executive Office at the Climate Group
Climate Group
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Catch all of last week’s Climate Week NYC On Demand
Catherine McKenna | Chair of H-LEG - the UN’s High-Level Expert Group on the Net-Zero Emissions Commitments of Non-State Entities.
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Thank you to our musical guest this week, Finnegan Tui!
Finnegan Tui
Spotify | Apple Music | YouTube | Instagram | Facebook | Twitter | Website
Watch the ‘ZEPHYR’ Audio-Visual Journey on YouTube
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Congratulations to Global Optimism’s very own Freya Newman on her Masters Resarch being published in Nature Communications!
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For more on WBG President David Malpass’s controversial remarks, start here.
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@OutrageOptimism is where we are online!
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168. From Climate Week NYC: No Other Option But To Solve This
In an event as rare as the triple Jovian eclipse on Jupiter, Christiana, Tom and Paul recorded this episode together! As in IRL together! Physically at the same table!
Having graduated from their humble beginnings which saw them huddled together around a mic in a San Francisco bathroom (not ‘toilet’ as the Brits call it, conjuring up all kinds of odd visions for our US audiences), they are now broadcasting to you listeners from Tom’s ‘cozy’ New York hotel room, bringing us all the news and highlights from the first half of Climate Week NYC.
Christiana shares that alongside all the useful conversations that will be happening this week as the community grapples with solutions to tackling the climate crisis, the need for a gut belief that we CAN solve this crisis is critical. A belief she is sensing is worryingly absent…
Tom’s prediction for the next mega trend in the climate movement and philanthropy is in the form of strategic communications and political economy building.
Paul meanwhile is inspired by the role cities can play in implementing much needed governance and policy without the obstacles that are present in high level government.
While our special guest this week, the Financial Times columnist, Martin Wolf might not self-identify as an optimist, his conversation with Christiana, Tom and Paul offers a fascinating analysis of the economic, corporate and political forces that we find ourselves at the mercy of, the reasons behind the rise of populism and what he thinks it will take for us to really collectively wake up to this crisis.
And of course another incredible song from our new friend, Tommy WÁ. Stick around to the end to hear an exclusive performance from him!
Notes and Resources
Thank you to our phone guest this week, Martin Wolf!
Martin Wolf | Chief Economics Commentator at the Financial Times
Be sure to check out Martin’s Column in The Financial Times
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Thank you to our musical guest this week, Tommy WÁ!
Tommy WÁ
Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | LinkTree | YouTube
Check out Tommy’s Live from NYC 3 Song Concert on YouTube
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The EarthShot Prize Innovation Summit 2022 was a major highlight this week. Christiana moderated!
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Your inside scoop to Climate Week NYC - @OutrageOptimism
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167. We Like To Call It Piñata Syndrome
Welcome back to a brand new season of Outrage + Optimism! We have missed you, friends!
This summer break in the Global North was yet another massive climate summer with much to talk about.
We kick off this jam-packed episode acknowledging the sad passing of Queen Elizabeth II with personal reflections from the hosts Christiana, Tom and Paul as well as a touching conversation with Henry Dallal, a photographer who was regularly commissioned to capture Queen Elizabeth during the last few decades of her reign.
Christiana offers us a unique insight from Gastech, the world's largest gas, LNG, hydrogen, and energy event that saw lone-climate-advocate Christiana deliver a strong speech to 40,000 executives on their role and moral duty to tackle emissions in their industry. A speech that is not to be missed and you can watch the full version here.
The hosts turn their attention to the key events of the summer that offered the global community both hope and sorrow as the world watched with keen optimism as the implications of Biden’s IRA legislation unfolded, Australia successfully passed a key climate bill through government, and India, Australia and Egypt submitted new NDCs ahead of UNGA and COP 27.
With heavy hearts however Christiana, Tom and Paul considered the devastating impact of the Pakistan floods that left a third of the country under water, mass crop failure, many lives lost including children, and vital infrastructure destroyed. The very real impacts of climate change are already hitting so many people in the global south, that issues of loss and damage and financial aid from the global north must surely form part of the discussions between world leaders in this year’s big climate events.
We will of course be here throughout the rest of the season with the help of our very special guests, to bring you all the insights and analysis from these big events.
Notes and Resources
Thank you to our phone guest this week, Henry Dallal!
Henry Dallal | Photographer
Be sure to check out Henry Dallal’s Book, ‘Addressing Climate Change’
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Thank you to our musical guest this week, Gabriela Eva!
Gabriela Eva
Instagram | Music | YouTube | Facebook | Twitter | Dot Com
Check out Gabriela’s lyric video for ‘Pulling Faces In The Wind’
Be sure to spin ‘Feng Shui’ this weekend!
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There’s a solar-powered boombox in a park in Queens, NYC that plays LL Cool J’s music from noon to 5p every Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday and yes it’s 100% real.
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Listen to Tom’s appearance on our sister-podcast, ‘The Way Out Is In’!
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We tweet and stuff - @OutrageOptimism
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166. No Mud, No Lotuses: The Last Episode of Season 5
So here we are!
30 episodes later we have finally arrived at the end of Season 5 of the Outrage + Optimism podcast. And what a rollercoaster it has been for all of us in the global climate community since the start of the year! We are due to take a well-earned break over August before we return with gusto in September for Season 6 - but before we go - in this dynamic episode, we take you on a whistlestop tour of the last six months of the podcast, narrated with a present day lens from our hosts, Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson.
We hope you will enjoy revisiting the wisdom and inspiration our guests and hosts offered up over the last six months. Even though it has often felt we are in dark times, we invite you to draw from these episodes the gritty determination to believe that we have what it takes to move the trajectory we are currently on to a safer, more resilient and just world. To paraphrase the teaching of Thich Naht Hahn that Christiana recalls in her interview with Plum Village: “No mud, no lotuses’.
And in true Outrage and Optimism fashion, playing us out is the talented Australian TV weather presenter and musician, Jessica Braithwaite. Jessica contacted the team recently to share her positive feedback and offer us the use of her single ‘Hello (You Got My Heart)’ to play out the final episode of this season. We jumped at the chance and invited her to reflect on what it means to working as a musician (and weather presenter) in an ecological crisis. We loved her answers - be sure to check out more of her music!
Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | TikTok
See you next season!
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165. Moral Imagination, Patient Capital and Averting Collective Climate Suicide with Jacqueline Novogratz
Crippling heat, fire, and death in the U.K., Europe, and the U.S. are bringing the climate emergency to our literal doorsteps. At the same time, political antipathy一in the lack of climate depth among Britain’s leadership candidates or the collapse of sweeping climate legislation in the U.S., for example一seems to be adding fuel to the fire.
Co-hosts Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson, and especially Christiana Figueres, are outraged! They explore what this means for the climate agenda going forward and, of course, how compassion, inclusion, and optimism must be part of the solution. Will deaths in the streets of Madrid and 40+°C (102°F) temps in the alleys of London compel us to wake up and see what’s happening?
Next, how do we use the tools of capitalism without being controlled by them?
In this segment the gang explores the differences between traditional and enlightened capital and their connections to poverty, moral imagination, and climate – joined by visionary entrepreneur, philanthropist, and best-selling author Jacqueline Novogratz.
Novogratz, described by Forbes as one of the World’s 100 Greatest Living Business Minds (2017), is the head of the global nonprofit impact investment fund Acumen.
Novogratz explains, “What is the problem we’re here to solve, and how do we use the tools we have to solve them? Investment has always been [one of those] tools…but we see investment as a means, not as an end in itself.”
Listen in as they deconstruct patient capital, off-grid solar, outrage over ongoing divisiveness, and how moral imagination as corporate strategy might just work a little magic for the future.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
Check out more of Gabrielle Sey’s Music here, and be sure to spin her cut of “Patterns” and add it to your summer playlist!
Learn more about Acumen and its inspirational founder, Jacqueline Novogratz.
You Can buy Novogratz’s 2020 work “Manifesto for a Moral Revolution: Practices to Build a Better World” here, or in the US, here.
You can buy Novogratz’s bestseller, “The Blue Sweater: Bridging the Gap between Rich and Poor,” here, or in the US, here.
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164. The Supreme Court's EPA Ruling: Is the Crisis of Climate a Crisis of Democracy?
With the US Supreme Court's ruling on the EPA still sending shockwaves through some quarters of the climate community, we ask in our second special episode this week: is this a sign that the tide is turning against environmental regulation, or should we be careful not to mistake the tide for the current?
In this episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson take leave of UK politics (in the most part) and take a look across the ‘puddle’ at what many have described as the devastating ruling delivered by the US Supreme Court on the EPA’s power to regulate green house gas emissions.
We hear from two very special guests, Gina McCarthy former EPA administrator and now the first National Climate Advisor to the White House, and John Podesta, the founder and chair of the Board of Directors for the Center for American Progress, and former counselor to President Barack Obama.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
Have you enjoyed listening to this new format of Outrage + Optimism? We have had great fun making these last two episodes so as Tom suggests in the show, let us know what you think by dropping us an email at contact@globaloptimism.com.
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John Podesta
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163. Boris and Net Zero: What Happens Next?
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism.
As always, we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue on building a sustainable future.
In this episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson reflect on the recent downfall of British Prime Minister (PM) Boris Johnson and what comes next for U.K. climate initiatives, with guests Ben Goldsmith, Founder of the Conservative Environment Network, and Chris Skidmore, MP for Kingswood, near Bristol.
Despite Johnson’s decidedly mixed term as PM一including delivering on Brexit, recent Partygate blunders, and other scandals一he has kept the U.K. focused on climate and nature progress. He’s embraced Net zero by 2050, introduced ambitious goals for 2035, and supported the Conference of the Parties summit (COP26). But what do the hosts think?
And, where does the U.K. go from here? With the interests of the global right generally focused on issues such as immigration, and new Tory leadership on the horizon, will climate and nature continue to be relevant to the U.K. conservative project? Guests Ben Goldsmith and Chris Skidmore weigh in on this dynamic moment.
NOTES AND RESOURCES
For more on conservative environmentalism in the U.K. and overseas visit the Conservative Environment Network.
Learn more about the United Nation’s Net zero initiative and the COP26.
Read Chris Skidmore’s recent piece with Zac Goldsmith, ‘Ditching Net Zero would be electoral suicide for Conservatives’.
“Hustings” is defined as a meeting at which candidates in an election address potential voters.
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162. 'Our Time On Earth': Radical Visions for The Future by Arts & Ecology
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism. As always, we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue on building a sustainable future.
In this special episode, the Outrage + Optimism crew has teamed up with the Dartington Arts School to bring you the first episode of the school’s intriguing new podcast, Arts and Ecology. The podcast explores the nexus between art, ecology, and culture and the role creatives can play in tackling the climate crisis.
In this inaugural episode, Arts and Ecology co-host Natasha Rivett-Carnac and O + O Executive Producer Sarah Thomas discuss “Our Time on Earth,” a major multimedia exhibition currently running at the Barbican in London with co-curator Caroline Till. Till is the co-founder of FRANKLINTILL, a research agency exploring design, colour, and material innovation for a sustainable future.
You’ll also hear from two teams who collaborated on exhibition pieces. Chippindale, CEO of the award-winning digital retail agency, Holition, and George Monbiot, writer, Guardian columnist and environmental activist bring us The World Beneath Our Feet. The piece was inspired by “The Wonders of Soil,” the first chapter in Monbiot’s latest book, Regenesis: Feeding the World Without Devouring the Planet.
Next, we hear from Anab Jain and Jon Ardern, the co-founders of Superflux, an award-winning experimental design agency creating visceral experiences that bring future possibilities into the present. Their exhibition piece, a lavish multi-species banquet, is entitled, Refuge for Resurgence.
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Notes and Resources
To explore more about the interconnection between art, ecology, and culture, subscribe to the Dartington Arts School’s podcast Arts and Ecology.
Natasha Rivett-Carnac, curator, Arts and Ecology, Dartington School of Arts
The exhibit Our Time on Earth, created by Caroline Till and Kate Franklin, will be at the Barbican in London from Thursday, 5 May to Monday, 29 Aug 2022.
Caroline Till is Co-Founder of FRANKLINTILL. Her book, co-written with business partner and co-curator, Kate Franklin, is Radical Matter: Rethinking Materials for a Sustainable Future and can be purchased here or in the US, here.
Jonathan Chippindale, is CEO of Holition.
You can get George Monbiot’s latest book, Regenesis: Feeding the World Without Devouring the Planet, here. Or in the US, here.
Anab Jain and John Arden are co-founders of Superflux.
You can listen to Jain and Arden’s piece, Window View, accompanying their exhibition piece, Refuge for Resurgence, here.
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Barbican - ‘Our Time on Earth’
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George Monbiot
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161. The Power of Disclosure with CDP’s Paul Simpson
This week, our hosts Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson sit down for an exclusive interview with Paul Simpson as he exits his role as CEO of CDP after co-founding the organization over 20 years ago.
CDP began in a basement with a few committed individuals to bring about a livable future through the disclosing of environmental data from companies around the globe. While it may have had humble beginnings from a small basement office and only a few employees in 2000, today CDP reports directly on current disclosures that cover over 13,000 companies covering around 64% of global market capitalization.
So as Paul Simpson wraps up his last few hours on the job, we look back into the roller coaster ride of how CDP discovered that disclosure of information was a latent power that existed in the world, and how they transformed it into a positive force moving both business and government towards a Paris-Aligned trajectory.
And of course it’s just not our podcast without some amazing music, so this week we have the rootsy band Our Man In The Field with an intimate performance of their single, ‘Thin (I Used To Be Bullet Proof)’.
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160. No Doom for Boomers! Mobilizing a Generation with Bill McKibben
ESG is in hot water - Is it just simmering or is it spoiling?
When Elon Musk tweets “ESG is a scam” that “has been weaponized by phony social justice warriors.” and a day later, an HSBC executive says that “climate change isn’t a financial risk that we need to worry about,” and then after that Former Vice President Mike Pence writes an opinion in WSJ that “ESG is elevating left-wing goals over the interests of businesses and their employees”...You start to wonder - What is all this fuss about? And why now?
This week we dig into the future or collapse of ESG as we know it, and is all this attention making ESG better or worse? And later on in the episode Bill McKibben returns to the podcast to talk about his latest venture mobilizing ‘The Greatest Generation’ to take action on Climate Change call Third Act - and his new book, ‘The Flag, the Cross, and the Station Wagon: A Graying American Looks Back at His Suburban Boyhood and Wonders What the Hell Happened. What a title!
And of course, be sure to stick around for an exclusive podcast performance of ‘Leaving Song’ by Max Jury.
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Mentioned links from the episode:
READ: Could Google’s Carbon Emissions Have Effectively Doubled Overnight?
READ: The Carbon Bankroll
ACT: ShareAction
ACT: Make My Money Matter
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Bill McKibben
Founder | Third Act | 350.org
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159. How to Feed the World without Devouring the Planet
Regenesis: Feeding the World without Devouring the Planet is the title of George Monbiot’s new book and an essential challenge that we explore in this Future of Food episode, with the help of George and three other guests committed to transforming our food system. As the current global food crisis continues to push more and more people to the brink of starvation, join us as we take a deep dive into the root causes of the crisis. Surface with a diverse and exciting range of solutions that could ensure we have a ‘glocal’ diverse food system, and a paradigm shift in the way we produce protein that regenerates our planet and feeds our population.
Our four contributors to this episode are: George Monbiot, celebrated author, activist and environmentalist; Dr Laura Pereira, Associate Professor at the Global Change Institute at the University of Witwatersrand in Johannesburg, South Africa and a researcher at the Stockholm Resilience Centre at Stockholm University in Sweden; Dr Ruchika Singh, Director of Sustainable Landscapes and Restoration at the WRI or World Resources Institute in India; and Josh Tetrick, Co-Founder and CEO of Eat Just Inc. You can find their short biographies and links to their work and media platforms below.
All of our guests were incredible, but a special acknowledgement goes to Ruchika who recorded her interview during the middle of a heat wave in India. It should bring home to us all how climate change is already severely affecting particular regions right now.
A huge thanks as ever to The Ikea Foundation for supporting us with the making of this episode. Please check out their wonderful work using the links below:
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George’s mentions:
Solar Foods the precision fermentation company mentioned by George Monbiot who are making food from thin air. Definitely one to watch!
The Land Institute - Perennial Crops - the initiative mentioned by George Monbiot
Tolhurst Organic - The Oxfordshire Farmer doing incredible things with soil mentioned by George Monbiot
Laura’s Mentions
Scaling Out, Scaling Up, Scaling Deep by Michelle Moore. You can read up to 100 articles per month for free on this site if you register.
Ruchika’s Mentions
The Land Accelerator | World Resources Institute
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George Monbiot, Author, Environmentalist and Activist (photo credit Guy Reece)
George Monbiot is an author, Guardian columnist and environmental activist. His best-selling books include Feral: Rewilding the land, sea and human life, Heat: how to stop the planet burning, and Out of the Wreckage: a new politics for an age of crisis. George cowrote the concept album Breaking the Spell of Loneliness with musician Ewan McLennan, and has made a number of viral videos. One of them, adapted from his 2013 TED Talk, How Wolves Change Rivers, has been viewed on YouTube over 40m times. Another, on Natural Climate Solutions, that he co-presented with Greta Thunberg, has been watched over 60m times. George’s latest book, Regenesis: Feeding the World without Devouring the Planet, was published in May 2022.
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Dr Laura Pereira, Associate Professor at the Global Change Institute at the University of Witwatersrand in Johannesburg, South Africa and a researcher at the Stockholm Resilience Centre at Stockholm University in Sweden
Dr Laura Pereira is a member of the Seeds of Good Anthropocenes project and leads two current projects, the first is a Formas funded project entitled “Seeding transformative futures for people and nature in Africa ” and the other is an H2020 project in collaboration with EAT called “Foodtrails”. She also works with Guillermo Ortuño Crespo on a small project to realise transformative scenarios for the high seas using the Nature Futures Framework.
Pereira co-ordinates the SRC’s module of the Bosch Stiftung Transformational Leadership Post-doc Academy. She is also actively involved in MSc student supervision and gives a lecture on sustainability transformations as part of the MSc course.
Pereira holds a DPhil in Geography and Environmental Science from the University of Oxford. She completed her BSc (Hons) majoring in Zoology, Ecology and Law at the University of the Witwatersrand and read for an MSc in Nature, Society and Environmental Policy at St Hilda’s College, Oxford.
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Dr Ruchika Singh, Director - Sustainable Landscapes and Restoration, WRI India
Dr. Ruchika Singh leads the Sustainable Landscapes and Restoration programme in India. Till January 2019, Ruchika anchored the restoration opportunity assessments for the Landscape Restoration programme at WRI India. Ruchika brings over eighteen years of extensive experience of conducting evidence-based research, programme management, assessments and evaluations related to various aspects of forest, water, tenure, resource rights, landscape management and governance issues, taking into consideration social inclusion and gender, from an interdisciplinary lens.
Ruchika also contributes to Cities4Forests, an initiative focused on helping cities better conserve, manage, and restore inner forests (such as city trees and urban parks), nearby forests (such as green corridors and watersheds) and faraway forests (such as tropical and boreal forests). Ruchika works closely with Kochi (India) to help them maximize benefits from trees and forests for water, air quality, biodiversity, climate, livelihoods and more.
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Josh Tetrick, co-founder and CEO, Eat Just, Inc.
Josh Tetrick is CEO & co-founder of Eat Just, Inc., a food technology company with a mission to build a healthier, safer and more sustainable food system in our lifetimes. The company's expertise, from functionalizing plant proteins to culturing animal cells, is powered by a world-class team of scientists and chefs spanning more than a dozen research disciplines. Eat Just created America’s fastest-growing egg brand, which is made entirely of plants, and the world’s first-to-market meat made from animal cells instead of slaughtered livestock. Prior to founding Eat Just, Tetrick led a United Nations business initiative in Kenya and worked for both former President Clinton and Liberian President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf. As Fulbright Scholar, Tetrick taught schoolchildren in Nigeria and South Africa and is a graduate of Cornell University and the University of Michigan Law School. Tetrick has been named one of Fast Company’s “Most Creative People in Business,” Inc.’s “35 Under 35” and Fortune’s “40 Under 40.” Eat Just has been recognized as one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Companies,” Entrepreneur’s “100 Brilliant Companies,” CNBC’s “Disruptor 50” and a World Economic Forum Technology Pioneer.
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158. The Journey Matters: Ending Fossil Fuel Supply with Tzeporah Berman
Scientists are reporting that there is now more carbon dioxide in the air than ever before, and with OPEC recently agreeing to accelerate oil production following pressure from the Biden administration to stabilize global markets, what gives? And with cracks showing in the EU as energy prices start to bite, is there a way through this crisis that keeps us on track with the goals of the Paris Agreement?
Our guest this week has her own solution. We speak to Tzeporah Berman about her journey to form the big and bold Fossil Fuel Non-Proliferation Treaty, and what the impact is of the Stockholm 50+ President’s communique calling for a phase out of coal, oil and gas.
And stick around ‘til the end for some amazing feel good music this week - ‘No Te Rindas’ by Charmant Mushaga!
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WATCH: Tzeporah’s TED Talk - The Bad Math of the Fossil Fuel Industry
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WATCH: Solo Nylon Acoustic Live Performance
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157. Presenting: ‘Who Cares Wins’ with Lily Cole and Christiana Figueres
Today, a special bonus episode in your feed from British model, actress, climate activist and podcaster, Lily Cole.
In this episode of ‘Who Cares Wins’, Host Lily Cole interviews Christiana Figueres on how to maintain daily optimism, why more women in leadership will deliver a better world, and how systemic change and a livable future can begin with me and you.
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156. Why It's "Not Too Late" with Rebecca Solnit and Thelma Young Lutunatabua
Reactions to the now infamous presentation of the suspended HSBC Head of Responsible Investing, Stuart Kirk, is still a source of considerable outrage here at Outrage + Optimism. Kirk’s presentation entitled "Why investors need not worry about climate risk" peddled such dangerous climate disinformation that it prompted Christiana to refer to it in her brilliant op-ed in Investor Week as one of the most irresponsible public statements we have heard in years. In this week’s episode brace yourself for Paul’s no holds barred account of what he really thinks about Stuart Kirk’s views and hear Christiana expand on why opinions like Kirk’s threaten the emergence of stakeholder capitalism. Tom’s insightful analysis further links the growing movement of incumbents rallying against ‘woke capitalism’ with the corporate disclosure of emissions and climate risk that is about to be regulated in the US and the EU.
Thankfully our main interview this week features a previous, much loved, Outrage + Optimism guest Rebecca Solnit, and the inspirational Thelma Young Lutunatabua whose Not Too Late project offers us the tools to tackle this current wave of disinformation, and provides tangible stories of hope. Hear how the project aims to invite newcomers to the climate movement, as well as providing climate facts and encouragement for people who are already engaged but weary. Listening to these two incredible women speak about Not Too Late ‘rang a bell of truth in our souls’ as Thelma so beautifully puts it in the interview.
Sit back and be sure to enjoy the remarkable track Preacher Man by Mica Millar.
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Not Too Late
Make sure to visit the Not To Late project launched by Rebecca Solnit and Thelma Young Lutunatabua
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Mentioned links from the episode:
Not So Moral Money? - link to the Business Green article Christiana mentions in the episode that deunks Stuart Kirk's presentation.
On Being podcast episode with Tarana Burke speaking about the need for ‘revolutionary grace’ mentioned by Thelma.
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155. Huge Wins for Future Generations in Australia and Wales with Sophie Howe
Finally, some optimism for future generations!
First, in Australia, the massive success of the so-called ‘teal’ female candidates, who are not aligned to either of the major political parties, but have essentially swept to power across a number of states. This, along with long-awaited Labour victories…Does this mean the climate wars are over in Australia? We dialed up Dean Bialek, lead negotiator and legal advisor to the world’s island states (AOSIS) in negotiations that led to the 2015 Paris Agreement on climate change and current Head of Policy & International Strategy at CWP Global, to give us a quick update on what this major swing in Australian politics means for climate!
And for our main interview this week, we sit down with Sophie Howe, Future Generations Commissioner for Wales. Her role is linked to the Welsh Government’s 2015 Wellbeing and Future Generations Act, which requires public bodies in Wales to think about the long-term impact of their decisions. Described by the Big Issue Magazine as one of the UK’s leading Changemakers, her interventions have secured fundamental changes to land use planning policy, major transport schemes and Government policy on housing - ensuring that decisions taken today are fit for the future, and especially future generations in Wales.
And this week a special Outrage + Optimism EXCLUSIVE performance, 'Quémalo' by Kathy Palma (ft. Reyli Barba).
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LISTEN: Repsonse to Listener Review - 4 O+O Episodes on Food Systems
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Sophie Howe
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Dr Dean Bialek
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154. African Clean Energy Access: Why Gas Cannot Be The Future Africa Chooses with Rachel Kyte
In this episode, we talk about the impacts of living through a global energy crisis while living through a climate crisis.
Inflation is running at 10% in most major economies, the highest in decades. This is driven primarily by the cost of food and energy. And while most of us are aware of higher prices at the pump and on energy bills, today we focus on the hardest place it is hitting: Africa.
Since 2019, 4% of Africans have lost access to affordable energy, undoing a decade of gains. And with a desire in the Global North to get off of Russian Gas, there is higher demand for gas, and therefore pushing more and more people out of the ability to afford it. This week in response, African Ministers made the case for expanding gas production in Africa, amidst a climate crisis.
So that’s the setup for this week’s discussion - we bring in Rachel Kyte, Dean of the Fletcher School at Tufts University to argue the case on how to move forward out of this complicated situation.
And be sure to stick around ‘til the end for a brand new tune from Carmody titled, “Mother.”
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READ: Vanessa Nakate’s Op-Ed in Aljazeera
READ: SG António Guterres’ 5 Point Plan on Renewable Energy
VOTE: Time is running out to vote! Go to EnvironmentalMusicPrize.com to vote for your favorite 3 songs. Voting ends May 22nd!
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Thanks to our guest this week, Rachel Kyte!
Rachel Kyte
Dean | The Fletcher School at Tufts University
The Fletcher School at Tufts University
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153. Why the 21st Century is for Cities and Mayors with Sadiq Khan
Cities are where we will lose or win the climate change battle.
Chapter 8 of the IPCC report on mitigation reported that more than half of the global population now lives in cities, and that proportion is expected to grow to about two-thirds by 2050.
That is a lot of people. And that’s a lot of emissions.
As of 2020, urban areas are the source of about 67-72% of emissions with about 100 of the highest emitting urban areas [currently] accounting for approximately 18% of the global carbon footprint.”
But with problems like urban heat, growing disparities in income and access to food and healthcare, how are mayors uniquely empowered to adapt to everything a climate emergency brings with it?
This week, we have the Mayor of London and Chair of C40, Sadiq Khan. He shares his personal journey with being diagnosed with Adult-Onset Asthma after breathing in too much pollution in London, and how educating the public and bringing people along with you in your leadership is the way forward to cleaner, greener cities.
And this week a special sample of Environmental Music Prize finalist, Holy Holy with their song ‘Hello My Beautiful World’
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LEARN: CDP Cities, States and Regions Open Data Portal
VOTE: Environmental Music Prize
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Sadiq Khan
Mayor of London | Chair of C40 Cities
Mayor of London
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152. Putin, Producer Logic and Peak Demand with Kingsmill Bond
Does Putin’s invasion mark the end of the Fossil Fuel Era?
In this week’s episode we look at how the Russian invasion in Ukraine and subsequent energy crises are impacting energy deals between developed and developing countries ahead of COP27.
We also subject our guest, Kingsmill Bond of RMI, to a round of Paul’s new painfully-condescending evil oil baron persona as we put his optimistic assertions on the green energy transition to the test.
And be sure to stay tuned until after the interview for a brand new song with main-character energy titled, ‘End Transmission’ from Stelios Vassaloudis.
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READ: How Putin’s War Marks the End of the Fossil Fuel Era
LISTEN: The Climate Change and Happiness Podcast
READ: ‘Generation Dread’ by Brit Wray
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Kingsmill Bond
Senior Principal | RMI
RMI
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151. What on Earth is Happening in the US with NRDC’s Manish Bapna
This week, a look at US federal climate policy ahead of the US midterm elections. We explore the scarily-small-and-measured-in-weeks amount of time we have to pass meaningful climate legislation before the US midterm elections, and where the optimism is in Senate blocked legislation, a so-called ‘Conservative’ leaning Supreme Court, and a Presidential Administration dealing with fossil fuel addiction issues - Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and high prices at the pump.
So, with the help of the NRDC’s Manish Bapna, we discuss whether it is still possible to squeeze through an acceptable climate package that would put The States back on track to achieve their net-zero goals, AND why his outrage fuels his optimism in the midst of seemingly insurmountable challenges.
Plus! Stick around after the interview for the room shaking track ‘My Mama’ by musical guest, Dizraeli.
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Mentioned links from the episode:
NEWS: India’s Heatwave is about to get worse
READ: ‘The Ministry For The Future’ by Kim Stanley Robinson
REST: Resources for Dealing with Climate Anxiety
DAME: Christiana Figueres is Now A Dame
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Thanks to our guest this week, Manish Bapna!
Manish Bapna | President & CEO | Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC)
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Dizraeli
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150. Earth Day Special: The Environmental Music Prize! with Edwina Floch
Australia is turning up the volume on environmentalism for the world to hear!
If you turned on your favorite music radio station, would you know we’re in a crisis?
Only 1% of songs in National Australian premier radio station Triple J’s Hottest 100 (2.5M+ votes) over the last 5 years directly referenced environmental issues…and that’s following mass bleaching of The Great Barrier Reef, The devastating Australian Bushfires of 2019-2020, AND a recent study before COP26 that reported 75% of Australians are concerned about climate change.
So why is Australian mainstream music so culturally disconnected from a population overwhelmingly environmentalist? We know artists, bands, and musicians have been and are currently creating environmentally-minded music, so how do we get those songs into the mainstream?
Our guest today, Edwina Floch, recently launched The Environmental Music Prize - A new $AU 20,000 prize that amplifies the voices of artists who inspire action for climate and conservation. The prize launched during the UN Climate Summit, and it's a global first and a call-to-action for artists to create and submit powerful music videos that celebrate nature and encourage us to defend it.
Every movement needs anthems. The search is on!
Enjoy the show and stick around to hear some amazing music from music artists Montaigne, In Hearts Wake, Little Green, Billy Otto, and King Stingray!
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WATCH: All the Music Videos by the finalists for The Environmental Music Prize!
VOTE: Vote for your favorite Environmental Music Prize finalists!
DONATE: Keep The Environmental Music Prize going!
LEARN: Learn more about The Environmental Music Prize!
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Thanks to our guest this week, Edwina Floch!
Edwina Floch
Founder | Environmental Music Prize
Environmental Music Prize
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Montaigne
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WATCH: ‘Ready’ Music Video (feat. School Strike For Climate Activist Fergus Clarkson)
In Hearts Wake
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Little Green
Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | EMP Profile
Billy Otto
Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | EMP Profile
King Stingray
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149. Presenting: ‘The Way Out Is In’ with Christiana Figueres
As many around the world turn inward this week, we bring you a special episode featuring Christiana Figueres from ‘The Way Out Is In’ podcast.
Many of us are looking for a way out of the crises we face. Climate, biodiversity, ecological, nature, health, wealth inequality…not to mention the deeply personal, familial, and interpersonal. A quick log in to twitter, checking the news, or reading the latest IPCC report reveals to us that we are on a path towards breakdown. We know there is a pathway out of this ‘atlas of human suffering’ as United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres recently said, but how do we chart that path?
This week, we suggest that the way out of suffering is in it.
Today we are sharing an episode from ‘The Way Out Is In’ podcast, produced by Plum Village, the Buddhist Monastery founded by the Late Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh. Thich Nhat Hanh and his teachings were a vital support to Christiana in the lead up to the Paris Agreement and beyond.
In this episode, you’ll hear co-hosts Jo Confino and Brother Pháp Hữu invite Christiana on to share deeply about what brought her to Plum Village, both now and years ago during her first encounter with Thich Nhat Hanh; her journey to a spiritual practice that helped her overcome a personal crisis, and the transformative power of practices such as ‘deep listening’ and ‘interbeing’ on the negotiation process of The Paris Agreement.
So get comfortable, settle in, and join us for a special listen to Episode #21 of ‘The Way Out Is In’ - Being the Change We Want to See in the World: A Conversation with Christiana Figueres
[Content warning: This episode includes mentions of suicidal thoughts at 00:25:00 for approximately two minutes – listeners who could find this discussion distressing may wish to skip this section.]
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Next ‘The Way Out Is In’ Recommended Episodes To Listen To:
Zen and The Art of Saving The Planet
Wise Leadership w/ Lindsay Levin
WATCH: ‘A Cloud Never Dies’ on YouTube
READ: ‘Zen and The Art of Saving the Planet’ by Thich Nhat Hanh
DOWNLOAD: The Plum Village App
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Brother Phap Huu
Abbot | Upper Hamlet in Plum Village
Co-Host | The Way Out Is In
Jo Confino
Co-Host | The Way Out Is In
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148. The Future is Intersectional with Leah Thomas
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
- MLK (1963)
This week, we reject our flawed, siloed thinking and embrace the oneness of social justice and environmentalism as a singular, inclusive movement.
In the Summer of 2020, our guest, Leah Thomas, coined the term “Intersectional Environmentalism” with a graphic she shared to Instagram that read, “Environmentalists For Black Lives Matter” as a call out to all environmentalists to stand in solidarity with BIPOC communities that face compounding social and environmental injustices daily. The Instagram post went viral, and the pledge she introduced along with it, The IE Pledge, has reached over a million people.
And so now that it’s 2022 and counting, how can we continue to root ourselves in that moment of clarity in 2020 and hold to the truth that you don’t have to separate race or racial justice from environmental advocacy? How can we scale climate solutions while advocating for marginalized communities all the while not making excuses for extractive industries?
We’re also joined this week by special co-host Abigael Kima, a young energy expert and climate activist from Kenya .She is the producer and host of the new Hali-Hewa (Swahili for ‘Climate Change’) podcast, which will profile African activists and climate experts airing through to COP27 on themes including a just energy transition, loss and damage, youth participation in intergovernmental processes and indigenous rights.
And —- Stick around for 3-Time GRAMMY Award Winning Artist Fantastic Negrito performing a live version of his song, “Rolling Through California”!
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Mentioned links from the episode:
ACT: Take the Intersectional Environmentalist Pledge
LISTEN: IE’s Brand New Podcast ‘The Joy Report’
READ: MAPS (Marine Arctic Peace Sanctuary)
WATCH: How Black Lives Matter and Environmental Justice Are Connected
READ: The NAP Ministry
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Thanks to our guest this week, Leah Thomas!
Leah Thomas
Founder | Intersectional Environmentalist
Intersectional Environmentalist
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BUY: The Intersectional Environmentalist by Leah Thomas
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Abigael Kima
Host and Producer | Hali Hewa Podcast
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Hali Hewa Podcast
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Fantastic Negrito
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WATCH: ‘Highest Bidder’
READ: New Film + Album “White Jesus Black Problems” coming June 3rd
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147. IPCC Report: It's Not Too Late to Mitigate with Ko Barrett
The World’s scientists have come together on behalf of the web of life to deliver the most comprehensive review of how we can mitigate the effects of climate change.
So what’s in this latest IPCC report? The latest from Working Group III covers a broad spectrum of topics: from mitigation pathways and in-depth sectoral analysis to finance, international cooperation, net-zero and carbon dioxide removal… Let’s simplify that - Mitigation. This report lays out how we’re going to mitigate the effects of climate change. Because make no mistake, climate change is here and gaining speed. It’s up to us to listen to the scientists and follow their guidance to slow it down.
So, here to guide us through this new report is Ko Barrett, Vice Chair, IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) and Senior Advisor for Climate, NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration). Ko is widely recognized as an expert on climate policy, particularly on issues related to climate impacts and strategies to help society adapt to a changing world. Not only was she one of the first women elected to serve as a vice chair of the IPCC in 2015, but she oversaw this latest report, gracefully and skillfully convening the global scientific consensus on this crucial report on Climate Change. An incredible achievement.
This report informs business leaders, policy makers, activists, influencers, artists…everybody. Listen in to hear what makes this report unique, how to avoid doomism on climate, and what it’s going to take to get to a livable future.
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READ: WG3 AR6 IPCC Report
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Ko Barrett
Vice Chair | IPCC
Senior Advisor for Climate | NOAA
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146. Together We Can Change the World with Jane Goodall
What do you get when you swap the office for a classroom and our hosts for school pupils? An incredibly special episode, we hope you’ll agree.
Yes, that’s right – this week’s conversation is brought to you from Totnes Progressive School, where the children were joined by an extraordinary guest: Dr Jane Goodall DBE, Founder of the Jane Goodall Institute and United Nations Messenger of Peace.
With the support of Outrage + Optimism’s Tom Rivett-Carnac and his sister Bee, who together wrote and illustrated a children’s book voiced by Dr Goodall, the pupils take it in turns to ask about their guest’s experiences, work, and thoughts on the future.
From Dr Goodall’s memories of her own childhood to reflections on what children now can do to help in healing our planet, this is a moving lens on a remarkable life spanning nearly nine decades. Dr Goodall shares lessons from her mother about working hard and not giving up on dreams, as well as how together we can – and will – change the world.
We hope you find this conversation as inspirational as we do.
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145. Africa: A View From The Frontlines of Climate Justice and Gender Equality with Vanessa Nakate
For years in the Global North, our dialogue around climate change has been focused on the idea that it is a looming disaster with consequences that would happen in the future if we did not take immediate action. The recent years of extreme weather events where we saw flooding in Germany and London and heat waves and storms across Europe and the United States, brought the reality home that climate change was happening NOW.
But for those living in Africa and the Global South, this ‘looming disaster’ has been a reality for decades. While the devastation, droughts, famines, wars over life-sustaining resources and refugee crises that climate change has caused might not make the headlines in the Global North the way Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has, the impacts of climate change on these frontline communities is nonetheless devastating and requires attention and action NOW.
Which is why this week we invited one of the incredible female voices from the frontline of the climate crisis in Uganda, Vanessa Nakate, an activist and founder of the Rise Up! Movement, onto the O+O podcast so we could share her concerns and action points first hand with our listeners.
In this intimate, in-depth interview with Christiana, Vanessa shares her journey from Ugandan school girl to world renowned climate activist. She tells us about her passion for gender equality and why she believes it is synonymous with bringing the climate crisis to justice, and why Loss and Damage must stay on the agenda for COP27, touted by many as The African COP.
Keep your ears open because Vanessa gives a clear call to action to any listeners who want to help African activists get their voices heard during COP 27. Vanessa asks that businesses, organizations and individuals consider supporting African activists either through providing accreditation for COP27 or through funding. If you can help please reach out via social media to Vanessa directly or via the Rise UP Movement’s website.
And stick around until the end of the episode to hear the soul-stirring Ugandan musical artist Afrie perform her single, “Let Her Know”.
Enjoy the show!
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DONATE: Vanessa’s Solar and Stove Project
ACT: Fridays For Future’s 4 Digital Strike Actions
WATCH: Vanessa Nakate asks Global North Ministers the “Thumbs Up” Question
READ: A 10-Point Plan to Reduce the European Union’s Reliance on Russian Natural Gas
READ: Christiana pens an alternative ending to ‘Don’t Look Up’ for Netflix
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Thanks to our guest this week, Vanessa Nakate!
Vanessa Nakate
Climate Justice Activist | Founder of Rise Up Movement
Rise Up Movement
BUY THE BOOK: A Bigger Picture by Vanessa Nakate
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Our musical guest this week is Afrie!
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144. Conflict Fueling Outrage: It’s Time to Quit Fossil Fuels
As the news from Ukraine unfolds quickly, detailing the tragedy Ukrainian citizens are living through, our hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson cut straight to the roots of what is fueling this conflict - Our global addiction to fossil fuels.
What is our response as a global community to this crisis and many other current violent crises when many will argue climate action isn’t affordable and we should ramp up independent oil and gas production? Will we gather ourselves around the moral clarity that we need to end the violence by breaking our addiction once and for all?
Because our addiction is fueling the conflict we are watching our neighbors and our neighbor’s children suffer. It’s time to quit.
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WATCH: Ukraine Video Showing Mock Footage of Paris Air Attacks
READ: China, Russia Agree to 30-Year Gas Deal via New Pipeline
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143. An Appetite for Adaptation
Welcome back to our series on the Future of Food!
In this episode, we’ll explore the significance of adaptive transformation in global food systems. How do farming and consumption play into creating an inclusive, just, and beautiful future?
From empowering women farmers in Africa, to telling the story behind every piece of organic produce, from considering food value over food price, to what to ask at your grocery store, we examine why urgent transformation is needed to protect the people – and land – growing our food against the increasingly devastating impacts of climate change.
You’ll hear from:
- Wanjira Mathai | Vice President + Regional Director for Africa, World Resources Institute
- Volkert Engelsman | Founder + CEO, Eosta
- Jenipher Sambazi | Coffee Farmer + Vice Chair, Mount Elgon Agroforestry Community Cooperative Enterprise
- Elen Jones | Co-Founder + Director, Jenipher's Coffi
- Ed Davey | Policy + International Engagement Director, Food and Land Use Coalition + Co-Director, WRI UK
- Helena Leurent | Director General, Consumers International
So with food being at the heart and centre of the human story, there’s not a minute to waste. Let’s get on with it!
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MORE LISTENING: Outrage + Optimism’s previous episodes on The Future of Food
READ: What is Plum Village?
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Volkert Engelsman
Founder and CEO, Eosta
Eosta
Nature & More
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Wanjira Mathai
Vice President & Regional Director for Africa, World Resources Institute (WRI)
WRI Africa
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Jenipher Sambazi
Coffee Farmer & Vice Chair, Mount Elgon Agroforestry Community Cooperative Enterprise (MEACCE)
MEACCE
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Elen Jones
Co-Founder and Director, Jenipher's Coffi
Jenipher's Coffi
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Ed Davey
Policy and International Engagement Director, Food and Land Use Coalition
& Co-Director, WRI UK
WRI
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Helena Leurent
Director General, Consumers International
Consumers International
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142. Ukraine, Defense, and Climate Change with William Hague and David Miliband
All eyes are on Ukraine as we watch the horrific events unfold as a result of Russian aggression. Are we sliding toward a global catastrophe or seeing the birth of a new political order? How will we know which one awaits us?
This week, we speak to former UK Foriegn Ministers David Miliband and the Rt Hon Lord William Hague. We pitch to them this question of, “how will we know which one awaits us?” as we admire the resilience of the people of Ukraine and witness the inextinguishable might of people power.
Is this the ironic end of global energy dependence on a petrostate or the resurgence of fossil fuel infrastructure for the sake of energy independence?
No simple answers ahead.
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Mentioned links from the episode:
READ: William Hague’s piece from 2019 in The Telegraph - Conservatives Have to Take the Climate Crisis Seriously
READ: David Miliband’s latest in NYT - Ukraine Presents a Moral Crisis, Not Just a Military One
CATCH UP: Outrage + Optimism’s previous episodes on The Future of Food
LISTEN: Our episode from Tuesday on the Latest IPCC Report
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Rt Hon Lord William Hague
Lord Hague of Richmond
David Miliband
President & CEO | International Rescue Committee
International Rescue Committee
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141. IPCC Report: Adapt or Die! with Patrick Verkooijen
The latest IPCC Report from Working Group II on Impacts, Adaptation, and Vulnerability comes at an unprecedented moment in human history. A moment too late to avoid all effects of climate change baked into an already 1.1C warmer world, and a moment not too late to adapt humanity and all species to our increasingly important target of only 1.5C of warming.
In a strikingly clear connection this report makes between human and ecosystem vulnerability, the science is clear; Either we adapt, or we perish. Because between 3.3-3.6 Billion humans are currently living in areas “highly vulnerable to climate change”.
So, with over 270 scientists that poured over 34,000 publications and assessed 127 risks telling us to adapt now, Now, NOW! …how do we cut to the heart of those at the levers of economic and governmental power already dealing with war, famine, a pandemic, the list goes on.
This week, Patrick Verkooijen, CEO of the Global Center on Adaptation joins us to lay out the findings of this next section of the IPCC report, and how tapping into humanity’s enlightened Self-interest (with a capital S) can take investment now into adaptation and promise exponential returns for humanity, as well as all species on Earth.
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READ: The IPCC Report: Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability
WATCH: IPCC Press Conference + Secretary-General of The UN’s Address
LISTEN: Our Episode with Michael Mann on the previous Working Group I contribution to the IPCC Report
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Thanks to our guest this week, Patrick Verkooijen!
Patrick Verkooijen
CEO | Global Center on Adaptation
Global Center on Adaptation
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140. Every Country Could Be Carbon Negative with Erika Mouynes
“It doesn’t matter what your economy is. It’s just a matter of deciding of protecting your areas and committing to it.”
Last week it was reported that the world’s governments are currently subsidizing our own destruction to the tune of $1.8 Trillion a year…yeah. Not good. What does it look like to turn these subsidies around to promote nature, clean energy, and equitable access to energy across continents?
Maybe this week we have the answer, because in the midst of those irresponsible subsidies, this week we present a story of responsibility, political courage, and negativity! …The good kind.
Erika Mouynes is the Minister of Foreign Affairs from Panama, a country that recently attained certified Carbon Negative status. How does a country with a fleet of ships that is the 8th largest emitter of greenhouse gases and an economy based on global trade go carbon negative? Minister Mouynes tells all in our interview.
From implementing a Greenhouse Gas Emissions Fee, to the indigenous protection of land, and even some eco-surveillance in space, today’s episode is all about how a Minister of Forein Affairs goes absolutely Environmental.
And stick around ‘til the end for the African Fusion Soul stylings of ‘Ganda Boys’.
Enjoy the show!
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Mentioned links from the episode:
READ: ROADMAP TO REGENERATION: THE EARTHSHOT PRIZE SELECTION PRIORITIES 2022
READ: The Guardian - “World spends $1.8tn a year on subsidies that harm environment, study finds”
READ: Yuval Noah Harari’s 2% More Campaign
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Thanks to our guest this week, Minister Erika Mouynes!
Erika Mouynes
Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Panama
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Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores de Panamá
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African Fusion Soul Group ‘Ganda Boys’ are our musical guest!
Ganda Boys
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(Note from Clay - Be sure to check out their YouTube)
Ganda Foundation
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139. 2% For 1.5 with Yuval Noah Harari
It took 40-50% of GDP to win WWII, 15% to manage COVID in 2020, so what can 2% do?
Historian, philosopher, bestselling author (and newly welcomed activist!), Yuval Noah Harari joins us to highlight how investing just 2% of global GDP into developing eco-friendly technologies and infrastructure every year could avert “the apocalypse” as he puts it.
His clear, down-to-the-essence thinking shines a bright light on a dark moment. Hit play to listen!
And at the top of the episode, our hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson discuss the latest UK fringe conservative rumblings of the “Net Zero Scrutiny Group” and how recent populism movements are a wolf in sheeps clothing for communities who feel disenfranchised by politicians and global energy price fluctuations alike.
Plus! This week we have a special musical guest, “Ny Oh” with her song “Australia”. Stick around for that!
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138. Just Look Up! with Adam McKay
Today, an earth-shattering comet of an episode as Christiana, Tom and Paul talk to the phenomenally talented Adam McKay about his 4 time Oscar nominated film Don’t Look Up!
Writing and directing a comedy film about climate change is not a challenge for the faint hearted. Not only did Adam McKay take this challenge on, in doing so he created a tour-de-force which dominated global news feeds after its release, quickly took the position of 2nd most watched Netflix original and got EVERYONE talking about climate change.
Listen as he describes his journey of growing climate awareness, how he doesn’t think he will produce another piece of work that ISN’T about climate change, and the breaking news that France will be hosting its own series of ‘Just Look Up’ days as a result of the film.
The hosts are also super charged this week as they tackle the global energy crisis head on, taking us on a whistlestop tour of the major issues that are being played out against an ever increasingly tense geopolitical backdrop. Can gas ever be considered green? What are the implications of this crisis on a swift green energy transition and stability of net zero ambitions?
We think you’ll agree, we really did have it all this week didn’t we?
And! Stick around til the end because playing us out this week is the incredibly talented Sibusile Xaba with his single ‘Angisenalutho’.
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READ: What if Climate Change Were Like a Comet? By Emily Atkin of HEATED
WATCH: Rowanbank’s Positive Imaginings Films
LISTEN: The Last Podcast Ever Made: A Don’t Look Up Podcast
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137. We're Back! Welcome to Season 5
How do we know what we’re doing is really helping?
What should we do now that the world is changing?
A slow, intentional beginning to a new year after a racing finish to the last one raises some big questions for all of us in the climate space. This week, Christiana, Tom, and Paul set out the big topics for the year leading up to COP27. Yes, another one.
Shifting long term pledges to short term deliverables. Moving financial institutions from high carbon assets to low carbon assets. Getting the data points that move the needle on reducing emissions on the desks of central governments- Solid, concrete, ambitious NDCs driven by the innovation and flexibility of the private sector is how we will prove ourselves to a Net Zero future.
Listen in to hear how Christiana lays out how our Self-interest, with a capital “S”, is the key to unlocking our true collective potential.
Welcome to Season 5!
Stick around for an intimate and cozy musical performance from Lilo!
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136. The Deep Time Walk with Stephan Harding
*This episode is best enjoyed on a pair of headphones or quality speaker system
Welcome to Season 5!
We have a special season opener for you- An immersive sound journey through the history of Gaia, as told by Dr. Stephan Harding. Normally on the podcast we engage full-heartedly in the political, social, and economic debate surrounding everything climate, but today we set aside the time to sit comfortably, relax, and learn to “walk well into the life of Gaia” as Stephan puts it. Stephan has had a massive influence on the climate movement in the way of inspiring global leaders to shift their world view of life to a Gaian view of life. We have the privilege of sharing an exercise of that shift with all of you.
But just before we go on this meditation together, we are taking a mindful breath as we acknowledge the passing of Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh. He was a global spiritual leader, poet, and an environmental and peace activist, known for his powerful teachings and bestselling writings on mindfulness and peace. Christiana, at the top of the episode, shares a few beautiful words about him and how grateful we are to have such influential teachers in our life. Our hearts are with the Plum Village and all the Sanghas around the world who are continuing Thich Nhat Hanh’s incredible legacy and teachings.
It is in this spirit of deep gratitude and stubborn optimism for the continuation of our teachers that we offer you this audio journey of The Deep Time Walk.
Enjoy!
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LISTEN: The Way Out is In Podcast (A Podcast Co-Produced by Global Optimism)
DOWNLOAD: The Deep Time Walk App
CHECK OUT: The Deep Time Walk Field Kit
LEARN MORE: Deep Time Walk Project
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Dr. Stephan Harding
Deep Ecology Research Fellow | Senior Lecturer in Holistic Science
Author of Animate Earth and Gaia Alchemy
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135. No Substitute For Nature with Zac Goldsmith
There’s no pathway to capping our global temperature rise to 1.5 degrees Celsius without protecting and restoring nature.
That’s the lay of the land according to The Rt Hon Lord Goldsmith, Minister for the Pacific and the International Environment - our final guest for 2021. At the close of a year that’s seen enormous momentum to incorporate forests and land use well and truly into the climate agenda, Lord Goldsmith shares insights into the context and his vision for the next twelve months.
So, where do we stand now? Among the remarkable outcomes of COP26 was a commitment to halting and reversing forest loss and land degradation by 2030. Signed by 141 countries, the Glasgow Leaders’ Declaration on Forest and Land Use covers an incredible 90 percent of global forest. We also saw meaningful progress at this year’s Convention on Biological Diversity in Kunming. And the direction of travel? Our ultimate challenge and goal, Lord Goldsmith says, is to reconcile our economy with our natural world – and now has to be the turning point.
So! Join us for a reflection on some major moments on the podcast this past year and a look into this turning point moment. Can we reduce emissions by 7% each consecutive year from here on out?
And - we have a holiday-themed song this year as our last song of the season! A special acoustic performance of “It’s Christmas” by Callum Beattie. Stick around for it!
Thank you for a great season!
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Donate: Steps To Hope
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Zac Goldsmith (Rt Hon Lord)
Minister for the Pacific and the International Environment
UK Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office
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134. Shifting Mindsets and Systems with Jennifer Morgan
In this week’s episode we continue our series debriefing COP26 and take a look at the climate movement for their perspective on the outcomes of the Glasgow Climate Pact. Staying optimistic and fighting for climate justice - because indeed our lives depend on it - is a rightful approach to the conversation. And yet, the clock is ticking. What’s the reality behind fast-tracking our path to only a 1.5 world?
Today, we talk to Jennifer Morgan, Executive Director at Greenpeace International, who joins us to discuss how shifting mindsets and systems are crucial in finding alternative development models and dismantling systems of oppression.
Jennifer lays out how we can rebuild trust between those on the proverbial “inside” and “outside”. Because, whilst we have seen a huge coming together of stakeholders, movements and mindsets, this conversation focuses on understanding why we hear some voices proclaim a historic and generational win, while others voice a more depleted and disappointed point of view at the lack of urgency and responsibility by those in positions of power. The reality is that both are true.
Join us in piecing together the puzzle and understanding deeper our role in the movement as a podcast.
And don’t miss IDER, our musical artist with their song, BORED- a song born out of frustration at the profit structures behind corporate power and false advertising.
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From Paul: Lawsuit - The People of California vs Big Oil
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Jennifer Morgan | Executive Director of Greenpeace International
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133. Innovative Finance to Fast-Forward Climate Solutions with Hiro Mizuno
COP26 saw announcement after announcement from the financial sector, but we have questions. First off, why the sudden wake-up? What will follow? And, critically, will it be enough to address the climate crisis?
Here to help us make sense of the fast-moving developments is Hiro Mizuno, Special Envoy of U.N Secretary-General on Innovative Finance and Sustainable Investments. Hiro shares his deep insights into the financial landscape since the shift towards recognition of the systemic risk posed by the climate crisis.
Reaching back to the Industrial Revolution, Hiro talks us through the role of the finance industry in accelerating change. Financial institutions’ competitive nature may well drive their transition to net-zero business models and portfolios – but it’ll be the next twelve months that prove the worth of the COP26 announcements, Hiro reminds us.
Covering regulation, GFANZ, public trust, carbon pricing, and much more, this is a wide-ranging conversation not to be missed.
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132. Getting Over The Line at COP26 with Alok Sharma
Countries have stepped up. Projected emission trajectories have come down. But let’s be real for a moment- We are still not doing enough, fast enough. So what did this year's host of the COP26 get right, and what is still in play as we prepare for COP27? Today we talk with Alok Sharma, President of COP26 and the man in the spotlight of the Glasgow negotiations just a few weeks back.
As Alok takes us back through his experience at COP26 keeping 1.5°C front and center, the grounding truth of how The Glasgow Pact directly impacts the lives and livelihoods of millions of people becomes crystal clear. In this episode we hear from his perspective how fighting climate change must be both a personal experience and global effort, and how building trust was a precious commodity in the discussions, holding the key to all the parties mutually agreeing to get an agreement over the line.
But, how is this hard-earned political trust perceived outside the negotiation halls? It seems an increasingly challenging task to ensure that this is communicated in a digestible way to all the stakeholders working tirelessly for the phasing out of fossil fuels, climate justice, adaptation, as well as loss and damage.
Listen in to discover the presidency’s plans on how to ensure that no small piece of the process allows it all to tumble down like a big jenga tower.
And stick around after the conversation for a cinematic musical experience with Sarah Class!
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Rt Hon Alok Sharma MP
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131. Being Smartly Selfish is Selfless with President Carlos Alvarado
¡Feliz Día de la Abolición del Ejército en Costa Rica!
Happy Military Abolition Day in Costa Rica!
Every year on December 1st, the country of Costa Rica celebrates the day that Christiana’s father and former Costa Rican president, José Figueres Ferrer, abolished their national army and redirected that part of the national budget to biodiversity and education. This year marks the 73rd anniversary!
So with that in mind, we take a break from our COP26 reflections to speak with President Carlos Alvarado of Costa Rica! With over 50% of their country re-forested, an energy grid that is 99.5% renewables, and ZERO investments in weapons or military, Costa Rica is a model for how to lead sustainably in a world of compounding crises. How does Costa Rica do it, and what can other countries learn from this example?
May we all be more like Costa Rica!
And! Stick around ‘til the end for a soulful tune from musical artist Bobby Bazini!
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Carlos Alvarado Quesada
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130. Opening Hearts with Elizabeth Wathuti
With the ink still drying on The Glasgow Pact, we’re already hearing the results from Glasgow being labeled in binary terms like “Success” and “Failure” While we know that some stunning pledges and progressive language in the Pact came from some of the negotiations, it is also true that historically these pledges have not been met completely, or have been missed entirely. Full stop.
So with millions of humans suffering under the systemic injustice of rising global emissions, how do we meet this moment to reduce those global emissions and break those unjust systems of oppression? And how does the COP process make those necessary changes politically possible? And in the next eight years?!
Maybe it’s as simple as starting with silence.
This week we speak with Elizabeth Wathuti, environmentalist and climate activist from Kenya. She is the founder and president of Green Generation Initiative, and Head of Campaigns and Daima Consortium Coordinator for the Wangari Maathai Foundation.
Elizabeth brought the house down at COP26 this year with her speech in which she led a moment of silence followed by the urgency to every Head of State in the room to “ please open your hearts”. You won’t want to miss what she has to say to us on the show!
Stick around ‘til the end for an incredible music track from Knomad Spock!
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Excerpt from Elizabeth Wathuti's speech at COP26, reproduced courtesy of the UN.
Excerpt from the Opening Ceremony of the World Leaders Summit at COP26, November 2021.
Available here: Elizabeth Wathuti at COP26 “Please Open Your Hearts” Speech
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129. COP26: Glasgow Pact and Ready to Go Further
Yesterday, nearly 200 countries agreed to adopt The Glasgow Climate Pact after a roller coaster of a COP26...and this is a really big deal. From agreeing to reduce global dependence on coal, to speeding up the end of fossil fuel subsidies, this is progress on paper. But how far does it go to keep our 1.5C target front and center?
This week, our hosts dig through a few key details of the agreement, including the new commitment for every country to revisit and strengthen their emissions reductions plans together at COP27, instead of in 5 years time as previously required.
So let’s take a collective breath, get a good look at this thing, and find out where we go from here.
Stick around to the end for a special “Pass The Mic” segment we are sharing, which highlights some of the voices we heard around the corridors and in the streets of Glasgow during COP26.
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128. COP26 Halfway Point: A City of Two Tales With Nigel Topping
It's the halfway point of the COP26 climate discussions in Glasgow, UK! Pledges over the past week from world leaders could be transformational, keeping the Paris Agreement's ambition in reach. The devil is in the detail of delivery and, As we head into the second week of the negotiations, government Ministers and negotiators get down to business, with final agreements due to land on Saturday this week. Momentum from the pledges of the past week reverberated around the world, yet the youth movement, alongside many of the most vulnerable nations showed how much further we have to go.
On this episode we take stock with a great friend of the show, the UK's High Level Climate Action Champion, Nigel Topping.
Start your week with our digest of what's happened and what needs to happen next.
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127. Live from COP26! Energy For People and Planet
Coming to you LIVE from Energy Day at COP26!
So, energy and climate change. Where should we start?
With both the IEA World Energy Outlook and the IPCC AR6 Scientific assessment that came out this year declaring that coal has peaked, we also know that gas and then oil must also peak and see their way to the museums, as Christiana would say. 1.5C has been the only north star at COP26 to doing things like consigning coal to history, and every step towards decarbonizing our economy paints a clearer and clearer understanding more than ever before that we have to start now to cut emissions in one half by 2030 and restore and protect nature, at the same time.
But how does this apply to the developing world? The right to development is unquestionable, morally and also economically. But whilst those in rich and middle income countries received energy from fossil fuel sources that enabled their development, the situation that put us in is forcing us to think differently about providing clean, low carbon, and affordable energy to ensure societies that are bearing climate impacts the most harshly are also given an equal and equitable pathway to develop.
So where do we begin to provide accessible, clean, affordable energy to all? What are the challenges, what are the benefits, how will this new fund support billions of people to live better lives - and how fast can it be achieved?
Tune in to find out!
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Rebekah Shirley
Director of Research, Data & Innovation, World Resources Institute Africa
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President & CEO, Bezos Earth Fund
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126. COP26! All Eyes on 1.5
The World Leaders Summit at COP26 has happened...So what happened, exactly?
A LOT.
This week, we cover it all in a laid-back-waiting-for-takeaway-to-arrive style conversation with our hosts.
We’ll cover updated pledges and commitments on:
- An End to Deforestation by 2030
- Methane reductions
- India’s Net Zero 2070 target
We also get into inclusion and representation of the Global South, and how we went from 50% of global emissions covered by a Net Zero target at the beginning of this year, to yesterday it being 89%.
So sit back, relax, and dig in!
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READ: Vanessa Nakate for TIME
READ: Beware: Gaia may destroy humans before we destroy the Earth by James Lovelock
READ: The Case for Climate Reparations by David Wallace-Wells
WATCH + READ: COP26 Must Keep 1.5 Degrees Celsius Goal Alive by UN Secretary-General António Guterres
WATCH: Pope Francis says Costa Rican coffee “is the best in the world.”
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125. Banking on Net Zero with Noel Quinn
The way to Net Zero is through the bank.
One of the major questions at COP26 is, “How are we going to finance the transition to Net Zero?” From shifting investments away from fossil fuels, to boosting the speed and scale of green companies bringing forward the necessary solutions to creating a sustainable future for people and planet.
...And profit.
This week, we’re joined by Group Chief Executive of HSBC, Noel Quinn. He recently committed HSBC, with an impressive $3 trillion balance sheet, to have a completely Net Zero portfolio by 2050, and have their own supply chain and operations Net Zero by 2030. All the while significantly expanding their investment in green finance, creating a philanthropic program and clean technology venture fund.
We are also joined this week by guest co-host Kelly Clark, Director of Finance & Capital Market Transformation at The Laudes Foundation. Her day job is reimagining our current economic system and redefining value to go beyond shareholder interest.
It’s a fascinating conversation and essential to bring about the radical systems change we need to see.
Join us!
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Noel Quinn
Group Chief Executive | HSBC
HSBC
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Director Finance & Capital Market Transformation | Laudes Foundation
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124. We Need To Talk About China
China.
On one hand, the country is the world’s largest source of carbon emissions, an economic and political powerhouse resting on a thick cloud of hydrocarbon pollution, contrary to the goals of the Paris Agreement. On the other hand, President Xi Jinping has set the stage for China to emerge as an environmental leader, with the highest reforestation rate in the world; it makes and buys more electric cars than any other country by far; and is the world’s top renewable energy investor for the eighth consecutive year, including manufacturing 80% of solar cells globally.
It is clear that China has the power to determine whether we can limit global temperature rise to 1.5 degrees celsius. As we head into the COP26 international climate discussions, all eyes will be on the indomitable diplomatic skills of China and America’s special envoys for climate, Xie Xanhau and John Kerry, who brought about significant pact between the world’s two top polluters that significantly influenced the success of the Paris Agreement.
This week we talk with Peggy Liu, a leading catalyst of a greener China and Former Prime Minister of Australia and President of the Asia Society, Kevin Rudd, who offers deep insight into China’s climate goals and trajectory of travel, gleaned over 35 years of working with the Chinese Government.
Enjoy the show!
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Former PM of Australia, President of the Asia Society.
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123. Ramping Up for COP26! with Matthew Phillips
If you haven’t heard, COP26 is about to happen.
This week we embrace the complexity that is a COP (Conference of the Parties), and try to frame what is going to happen in the next 2 weeks so we don’t lose focus on limiting global heating to 1.5C.
We’re joined by Communications Director of COP25 & COP26 Climate Champions, Matthew Phillips. Matthew is inextricably linked with the process of COP26 and shares his wisdom and unique insight into what a successful COP26 looks like.
So if you’re thinking about the logistical nightmares of COP26, what the Heads of State might say, how NDCs are going, or how inequities are being addressed at the COP this year, this conversation is for you.
Stay til the end for a beautiful soundscape of children’s voices from Positive Imaginings.
Enjoy!
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WATCH: TED Countdown
Learn More: Rowanbank Environmental & Arts Education
LISTEN: Positive Imaginings Children’s Soundscape
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Matthew Phillips
Communications Director | Climate Champions
High Level Climate Champions
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122. What The Hale?! Introducing the Net Zero Tracker with Thomas Hale
Tom Hale is BACK and here to announce the official Launch of the Net Zero Tracker!
So yes - this week we have Associate Professor in Global Public Policy at Oxford University, Tom Hale, who joined us back in March of this year discussing the launch of a report “Taking Stock of commitments to Net Zero”. That report put a spotlight on the credibility of a wave of government and business net zero commitments at the time. He is now returning more triumphant than ever with a significant update - The launch of a publicly available Net Zero Tracker!
It’s a big deal.
Our host, Paul Dickinson jumps in to ask, What the Hale IS the Net Zero Tracker? And how is it creating radical transparency that will lead to actually limiting global heating to 1.5C?
In tandem with the Net Zero Tracker is a new release as well, The Net Zero Dashboard Codebook - Filled with terms to bring absolute clarity to Net Zero pledges, promises, and commitments...so what the Hale do all these terms mean? Stick around for our classic Lightning Round.
The Race to Zero continues!
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Links Mentioned in the Show:
Oxford English Dictionary Climate Words Added
NYT Visualization of Emissions Pre-Paris vs Current vs Pledged vs Necessary for 1.5C
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Thomas Hale
Associate Professor in Global Public Policy at Oxford University
Blavatnik School of Government
Net Zero Tracker
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121. Small Countries, Big Vision with Nicola Sturgeon
*inhales deeply* Fresh off the TED Countdown Stage and moments after the ‘Green Carpet’ at The Earthshot Prize Awards 2021 AND a week and a half away from COP26 - Has there ever been a more exciting moment?
This week we give our first-hand experience at TED Countdown, discussing ‘the moment’ and what followed when Christiana was moderating a discussion on the TED stage about our theories of change with Ben van Beurden, Chris James and Lauren MacDonald. Also Christiana and Tom recall a few exciting moments from the Earthshot Prize Awards and the future investment in scaling these 5 award winning solutions to meet our rapidly approaching climate targets.
In an incredible interview, our very special guest this week is First Minister of Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon. We met her at her residence in Edinburgh to discuss this new vision she has for small countries collaborating on climate action, and the phenomenal TED Talk she had just delivered (ensured by a standing ovation). Tom says, “it was one of the best I’ve ever seen.”
And in perfect harmony with this week’s subject- An amazing song this week from DIVEST - we hear them play ‘Something’s About to Change’. It’s really, really good.
Enjoy the show!
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Mentioned links from the episode:
Absolutely Required Viewing: Decarbonizing fossil fuels: An unedited discussion from TED Countdown Summit
Follow Up Read: Christiana Figueres reflects on the emotionally charged climate debate that riveted TED
Watch: The Earthshot Prize Awards 2021
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Nicola Sturgeon
First Minister of Scotland
Office of the First Minister
Scottish Government
Net Zero Scotland
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The incredible DIVEST was is our musical guest this week
DIVEST
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120. Taking Business Net Positive with Paul Polman & Andrew Winston
For the first time ever, we are all in-person bringing you this episode from the TED Countdown Summit in Edinburgh! TED Countdown is an event that officially kicked off on 12th October and encompasses four days of inspiring talks, collaboration, connections and commitments to meaningful action for a better world ahead of COP26.
Our guest today is Paul Polman, return Outrage + Optimism guest and a celebrated business leader who made sustainability the heart of a global consumer business’ growth agenda in his former role as CEO of Unilever. He is joined by one of the most widely read, published and acclaimed writers on sustainability, Andrew Winston, to talk about the new book the two have co-authored, “Net Positive: How Courageous Companies Thrive by Giving More Than They Take”.
We unpack the ways the book re-frames how business can put a lasting end inequality and climate change. Can every business be Net Positive? Find out!
Stick around for a track of epic proportions from musical guest, WACO.
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Go buy Paul + Andrew’s new book: Net Positive: How Courageous Companies Thrive by Giving More Than They Take
TED Countdown!
Blog (Day 2) | Twitter | Instagram
Clay Recommends - Visualizing Climate Change: An Open Call For Photography
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Paul Polman
Influencer, business leader, campaigner
Andrew Winston
Writer, Adviser/Speaker on Megatrends & Sustainability, Consultant on Corporate Strategy
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Amazing music this week was from WACO!
WACO
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You gotta see their punkishly cosmic music video for “A New Future”
They have a physical copy of their latest record for sale out on Venn Records, made from leftover waste vinyl: “Hope Rituals” - Buy It!
Sales will be donated to Beyond Gender - Please check out the work they are doing to create a fairer and safer society.
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119. Dealing with Climate Grief with Luisa Neubauer
With only 99 months left until 2030, and COP26 in less than 1, time is ticking on 1.5. And young people know it.
So today, a timely and relevant conversation with Climate Activist, and return guest to Outrage + Optimism, Luisa Neubauer. This time, focusing on climate change and its impact on the mental health and outlook on the future of young people everywhere.
The backdrop to the conversation with Luisa are two recently published studies (One from The Lancet, another from Science.org) examining the psychological effect of climate induced anxiety and perceived government inaction on our youth, and their current and future lived experience of the impact of climate change.
We also consider causes for optimism at the other end of the spectrum as The Eartshot Prize has announced its finalists and is featuring a high profile TV series focusing on the regenerative and transformative projects from small community efforts to public policy driven national initiatives.
A just future is possible. What will we choose?
Hit play, join us for the conversation, and stick around for musical guest this week is the one and only Gizmo Varillas!
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Mentioned links from the episode:
Earthshot The TV Series featuring Christiana Figueres is now available to view on Discovery+ and BBC iPlayer!
TEDCountdown Summit is next week!
Climate Grief and Anxiety Studies:
Young People's Voices on Climate Anxiety, Government Betrayal and Moral Injury: A Global Phenomenon
Intergenerational Inequities in Exposure to Climate Extremes
Check out the incredible activists Christiana and Paul met in Dubai:
HE Dr. Nawal Al-Hosany
permanent representative of the UAE to the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA)
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The UAE Mission to IRENA
Nisreen Elsaim
Chair, UN Secretary General's Youth Advisory Group on Climate Change
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Heeta Lakhani
Global Focal Point, YOUNGO and Director, UmeUs United Pvt. Ltd.
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Children and Youth constituency to United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (YOUNGO)
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Climate Change Conference of Youth (COY16)
A recommendation from Clay:
Go listen to ‘The Flock’ - An epic audio drama about rising up against environmental destruction - From the view of birds!
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Luisa Neubauer
Check out her podcast:
And of course, her incredible TED Talk
Learn more about Fridays For Future
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118. Protecting Our Planet with Cristián Samper
You probably heard last week was Climate Week and UNGA. But, what actually happened?
To cover it all, we get into the cornucopia of methane reduction announcements from countries across the world, a quick update on China, and a special focus this week on the announcement of the ‘Protecting Our Planet Challenge’, an announcement that saw 9 philanthropic organisations, including the Bezos Earth Fund, collectively commit $5 billion of funds to the 30x30 campaign.
We explore what this funding announcement means for the campaign, what effect this could have on government ambition and commitment to biodiversity as we gear up for COP26, and how this is a goal every single one of us can unite behind.
Joining us this week is Cristián Samper, President and CEO of the Wildlife Conservation Society (WCS). Cristián played a key role in convening the 9 organizations to launch the Protecting Our Planet Challenge. It marks the largest-ever philanthropic commitment to nature conservation and a significant step in addressing the triple crisis that threatens our planet – climate change, nature loss and economic insecurity.
Thanks for listening! Stick around ‘til the end for a live performance of 'Ocean' by special musical guest Palmaria!
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Go watch Global Citizen Live!
Read the Sierra Club’s rundown of ‘Climate Night'
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Cristián Samper
President and CEO | Wildlife Conservation Society
Wildlife Conservation Society
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Bezos Earth Fund
High Ambition Coalition (HAC) for Nature & People (30x30 campaign)
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117. The Seeds Are Sown for a Food Revolution with Agnes Kalibata
Following the success of UN Food Systems Summit, or as it’s also known- “The People’s Summit” we get a chance to speak to the driving force behind it, UN Secretary-General’s Special Envoy for the Food Systems Summit, Agnes Kalibata.
Formerly Rwanda’s Minister of Agriculture and Animal Resources (MINAGRI) from 2008 to 2014, she drove programs that moved her country to food security helping to lift more than a million Rwandans out of poverty.
Now as Special Envoy, her efforts toward progress of the delivery of the SDGs, and to prioritise Food Systems in the global conversation around climate change are coming to a 2 year culmination. Besides this summit being the first time the UN has called a summit dedicated to food systems, it is engaging more than 100,000 people from 147 countries through 900 independent multi-stakeholder dialogues on food system transformation. UN Summits are often mostly prepared statements by member states. This move to put people and dialogue at the center was a radical return to destroying our siloed thinking when it comes to global issues.
The Food Revolution begins with a Thought Revolution, and people are at the heart of systemic change.
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Check out Friday For Future’s #UprootTheSystem
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Dr Agnes Kalibata
UN Secretary-General’s Special Envoy | 2021 Food Systems Summit
UN Food Systems Summit 2021
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116. Setting The Table for a Food Revolution
Welcome to the first episode in a brand new series on The Future of Food!
Today, this episode coincides with a very important international gathering, the first of its kind at the United Nations. Known as the UN Food Systems Summit, formally, it is also called The People’s Summit.
During this ongoing series we will seek to unlock the many changes needed to enable each sector – government, corporations and citizens to ask themselves, “How can we contribute to a transformative movement for an inclusive, regenerative and circular society where access to nutritious food is a right we actually realize for every single person?”
But before we eat, we need to set the table. We’re joined on this episode by:
Dr. David Nabarro
Co-Director | Imperial College of London Institute of Global Health Innovation
Senior Advisor | Food Systems Summit Dialogues
Strategic Director | 4SD Switzerland
Special Envoy of WHO Director General for COVID19
Johan Rockström
Director | Potsdam Institute of Climate Impact Research
Dr. Gunhild A Stordalen
Founder & Executive Chair | EAT
These incredible guests help us explore in-depth the challenges and opportunities our current food system faces, and show us why getting food right might just be the key to unlocking our path to achieving our 2030 goals.
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Mentioned links from the episode:
Global Citizen is streaming a 24 hour concert live from Central Park on Saturday, Sept 25
Watch BTS do their thing at UNGA
The 500-foot Sea Creature will be scaling the UN Facade this week
Fridays For Future is hosting a Climate Strike on Friday, Sept 24. Find your local strike here
Be sure to catch up on Climate Night which aired Live on Sept. 22
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Thank you to our guests this week:
UN Food Systems Summit
Dr David Nabarro
Co-Director | Imperial College of London Institute of Global Health Innovation
Senior Advisor | Food Systems Summit Dialogues
Strategic Director | 4SD Switzerland
Special Envoy of WHO Director General for COVID19
4SD
Johan Rockström
Director | Potsdam Institute of Climate Impact Research
Potsdam Institute of Climate Impact Research (PIK)
Dr Gunhild A Stordalen
Founder & Executive Chair | EAT
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EAT Foundation
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115. Turning Around in a Storm with David Shukman
Our struggle with the Climate Crisis begins with naming it, facing it, and engaging it.
Last week, the latest NDC Synthesis Report published showed that global emissions are on track to rise by 16% by 2030. With science screaming at the top of its lungs to get us to cut emissions 50% by 2030 to avoid catastrophic warming and climate tipping points, this 16% number says unequivocally, “we are headed in the wrong direction” as BBC Science Editor David Shukman tells us on today’s episode.
So that’s where we’re at. How do we face this moment with stubborn optimism? Tom dials up David to wrestle with the reality of how short our NDCs are of achieving the Paris Goals, and what mindset and ambition it will take to get our world’s biggest emitters to transparently confront this issue and reverse the course of rising emissions.
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Climate change: UN warning over nations' climate plans - David Shukman
Young People's Voices on Climate Anxiety, Government Betrayal and Moral Injury: A Global Phenomenon
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David Shukman
Science Editor | BBC News
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114. 30x30: Nature Needs More with Rita El Zaghloul
Today, only 15 percent of land and 7 percent of our ocean are protected. Nature needs more.
The science is very clear – to prevent a mass extinction crisis, support a growing global population, and address climate change, we must conserve at least 30% of the planet by 2030.
...So why now? The science is very, very clear - If we act now we can limit the disaster, and we could even reverse the trends of climate change in an equitable, just fashion. But how?
This week we’re joined by Rita El Zaghloul, Coordinator of the High Ambition Coalition (HAC) for Nature & People on behalf of Costa Rica. She is the driving force behind ambition at The HAC’s 30x30 campaign, slamming the pedal to the metal on their aim to agree to this plan at the COP15 Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD) in October. The best part about it? It centers indigenous leadership and indigenous rights, while mobilizing financial resources both publicly and privately to ensure protected areas are properly managed, all the while protecting at least 30% of the planet by 2030;
We know our situation is dire. But we also know it’s going to take everything (aka Nature) and everyone (aka People) to keep us below 1.5 degrees. The HAC’s 30x30 campaign is one of the roadmaps there.
Nature is counting on us. What future will we choose?
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Rita El Zaghloul
Coordinator of the High Ambition Coalition for Nature & People on behalf of Costa Rica
High Ambition Coalition (HAC) for Nature & People
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Musical Guest This week:
Mr Bruce
You need to watch Mr Bruce’s BRAND NEW video for I Am Disaster
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113. Time's Up! We Need Everyone to Fight for 1.5
Season 4 is here!
The past few months have been astonishing. It’s no news to anyone that climate change is here, right now. In fact, it’s reported by the Washington Post that in the US, nearly 1 in 3 people live in a county hit by a weather disaster in the past three months, and even more terrifying, 2 out of 3 live in a place that experienced a multi-day heatwave.
Time is up. We can’t squabble and scapegoat ourselves into a better future. Let’s swallow the alarm clock and take action on climate!
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Nearly 1 in 3 Americans experienced a weather disaster this summer - Washington Post
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BONUS: IPCC Report: The Tipping Point for Action with Michael E. Mann
We’re back in your ears for a quick bonus episode on the latest IPCC Report.
The heavily anticipated and undeniably influential release of the IPCC’s Sixth Assessment Report’s Working Group 1 findings came out on Monday. In it, they provide an extraordinarily thorough examination into and warning of the physical science basis of climate change.
Christiana and the guys give their gut reactions to the report, and discuss how its findings are the turning point for necessary climate action at COP26. And joining us for this bonus episode to walk us through the release of this report is Distinguished Professor and Director of the Earth System Science Centre at Penn State University, Michael E. Mann, who has previously contributed as a lead author of the IPCC third cycle assessments.
This is the moment, there’s no going back. Thanks for listening.
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Read: The Full WG1 AR6 IPCC Report (Caution: It’s like 1000+ pages)
Much Easier Read: The Headlines from The WG1 AR6 IPCC Report (2 pages)
Watch: Check out the IPCC’s YouTube Channel
Play: The IPCC Interactive Atlas
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Thank you to our guest this week, Michael E. Mann!
Michael E. Mann
Distinguished Professor and Director of the Earth System Science Center | Penn State University
Check our Michael E. Mann’s latest book, ‘The New Climate War’
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112. The Nature of Nature: Why We Need The Wild with Enric Sala
This week, we take an unflinching look at the impacts of the recent extreme global weather events as they provide a grim backdrop to the G20 meeting in Naples, the informal meeting of ministers representing 51 countries in London at the weekend, and the IPCC summary report by Working Group 1. This highly anticipated report is set to provide the up-to-the-moment science on future warming and future effects of warming. It’s a big deal, especially with of COP26 right around the corner.
So, with the lack of consensus on ending fossil fuels subsidies and phasing out coal among the G20 delegates and environmental ministers in London, combined with the anticipated stark report due from the IPCC, leads us to ask: how much more devastation can we suffer before climate change is recognised for the existential threat it poses?
Our guest this week Enric Sala, National Geographic Explorer-in-Residence, and founder of National Geographic Pristine Seas. He brings us the optimism on protecting our marine life, and how we can avoid mass biodiversity loss and depletion of our fish stock and prevent further catastrophes to human and natural communities, if we act now on 30x30.
And later on in the episode, join us for Elle L’s debut avant-pop track, “Hoping”.
Thanks for joining us!
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Mentioned links from the episode:
Check out The Dasgupta Report that was issued to help inform governments and business leaders to account for the value of nature’s ecosystem.
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Thank you to our guest this week, Enric Sala!
Enric Sala
National Geographic Explorer in Residence | National Geographic Pristine Seas
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National Geographic Pristine SeasWebsite | Twitter | Instagram
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Our artist this week is Elle L!
Check out the music video for ‘Hoping’
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111. New Systems and New Power with Dame Ellen MacArthur & Guest Co-Host Catherine Howarth
This week, The Circular Economy!
Currently our economy operates in a linear way. Take, Make, Dispose. It’s based on the industrial revolution, and we know this way of doing things has limits. Some of those limits we are reaching even today.
But there’s a different economy we could create. The Circular Economy.
This week we explore the ‘Circular Economy’ with #1 Circular Economy advocate, Dame Ellen MacArthur. This brand new economy is all about designing out waste and pollution, keeping products and materials in use, and regenerating natural systems. It incentivizes manufacturers to create and maintain better products, stops the Global North from polluting the Global South, and has the potential to regenerate wildlife and ecosystems that are on the brink of collapsing.
And with Christiana and Tom out this week, we invite special guest co-host, Catherine Howarth, CEO of Share Action, to discuss what it will take to encourage regenerative economic practices? Are we at a tipping point right now? Is a green, equitable, regenerative global society finally close to our grasp?
And later on in the episode, join us for a soulful acoustic performance of “What Can I Do?” by Rachel Sermanni.
Thanks for joining us!
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Mentioned links from the episode:
Universal Ownership by Ellen Quigley
Tax Pollution, Not People with Ex’Tax
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Dame Ellen MacArthur
Founder and Chair of Trustees | Ellen MacArthur Foundation
Ellen MacArthur Foundation
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Our artist this week is Rachel Sermanni!
Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | YouTube | Spotify | Website
Live in Bristol or Sheffield? Go See Rachel LIVE
Check out her rad music video for “What Can I Do”
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Thank you to our Guest Co-host, Catherine Howarth!
Catherine Howarth
Chief Executive | ShareAction
ShareAction
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110. Building Leaderful Movements with Katie Eder & Guest Co-host Alice Garton
In a week that has seen record temperatures occurring throughout the Pacific Northwest of the United States and Canada, a major hurricane that hit Barbados - the first in 60 years - and one of the warmest winters on record down south in New Zealand, this episode looks at the urgent call to action coming from the younger generation. Their call for transformational change applies not only to climate action, but in delivering meaningful social justice action and revaluating and redefining the very notion of leadership itself.
Our special guest this week is Katie Eder, Climate Organizer at Future Coalition. She eloquently describes for us the foundational goal of equity that is at the heart of the youth movement. and how she believes transformational change begins with ‘a leaderful movement’, and is the way to securing climate and social justice goals. Spoiler Alert: This is the secret to the success of the Paris Agreement.
Paul is joined this week by guest co-host, Alice Garton, Legal Director for the Foundation for International Law for the Environment. Alice talks through some climate optimism in regards to recent Australian judicial rulings, as well as an optimistic take on the recent Royal Dutch Shell ruling in the Netherlands.
And later on in the episode, join us for a great acoustic performance of “The Woman Who Planted Trees” by Emily Barker.
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Links mentioned in the episode:
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Katie Eder
Climate Organizer, Future Coalition
Future Coalition
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Our artist this week is Emily Barker!
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Check out her latest EP, “Machine”
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Thank you to our Guest Co-host, Alice Garton!
Alice Garton
Director Global Legal Strategy, FILE
FILE Foundation
Facts and figures on climate litigation:
LSE Grantham Global Trends on on Climate Litigation 2021
Links for lawyers and law students looking to use the law to progress the climate transition:
Law Students for Climate Accountability
Links for citizens looking to participate in climate litigation:
Urgenda Global Climate Litigation
Holding Your Government’s Accountable for Climate Change
Australian SHARMA case:
Fiduciary Duty:
Primer on Climate Change: Directors Duties
ACCR commentary on Shell Transition Plan
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109. The Race to Resilience!
The Race to Resilience is on!
This week has seen another extremely harsh wildfire season and searing temperatures in the global North, Tropical Storm Elsa ripped through the Caribbean, becoming the first hurricane to hit Barbados in 60 years, and way down in the south of the planet, New Zealand has its hottest winter.
It is absolutely vital that the Race to Zero (emissions) and an equally important set of measures for adaptation and resilience be undertaken - at the same time - to allow humanity to thrive in the near and distant future.
So what exactly is the Race to Resilience? Join Christiana, Tom and Paul as we explore the links between tackling climate change, protecting and enhancing biodiversity, ensuring ocean health and changing how we use land. Among a few other notable guests, we talk to two city leaders building resilience in two very different communities, addressing local challenges and bringing thousands of citizens together to tackle climate change.
This week you’ll hear from:
Elizabeth Mrema, UN Assistant Secretary-General and Executive Secretary of the Convention on Biological Diversity
Anne-Marie Trevelyan, COP 26 International Champion for Adaptation and Resilience, and UK Energy and Climate Change Minister
Enric Sala, National Geographic Explorer in Residence, National Geographic Pristine Seas
Mayor Kate Gallego, Mayor of Phoenix, Arizona
and
Mayor Mohammed Sowah, Mayor of Accra, Ghana
We are racing against time - and rather than allowing fear to paralyse us, let’s use this energy to fuel our spirit and determination. Hit play for your weekly dose of outrage - and stubborn optimism.
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Elizabeth Mrema
UN Assistant Secretary-General and Executive Secretary of the Convention on Biological Diversity
UN Biodiversity
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Anne-Marie Trevelyan
COP 26 International Champion for Adaptation and Resilience, and UK Energy and Climate Change Minister
COP 26
Enric Sala
National Geographic Explorer in Residence, National Geographic Pristine Seas
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NG Pristine SeasWebsite | Twitter | Instagram
Mayor Kate Gallego
Mayor of Phoenix, Arizona
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Mayor Mohammed Sowah
Mayor of Accra, Ghana
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108. Climate, Fossil Fuels and the Future of Shell with Ben van Beurden
This week, something different. An exclusive interview with Shell CEO, Ben van Beurden.
In May 2021, the District Court in The Hague delivered its landmark ruling in the climate change case filed against Royal Dutch Shell (“Shell”). In her ruling on the case, Judge Larisa Alwin ordered Shell to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions 45% by 2030 from 2019 levels. The court found that Shell’s existing carbon mitigation strategy was “not concrete and is full of conditions ... that's not enough.” The court also ruled that Shell is responsible for emissions from its customers and suppliers, known as scope 3 emissions, and further that Shell’s activities constituted a threat to the “right to life” and “undisturbed family life,” as set out in the European Convention on Human Rights.
So, what next? Pending an appeal to the case, how is Shell going to follow the court ruling to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions 45% by 2030? We sit down with Ben van Beurden, CEO of Royal Dutch Shell Plc to discuss what the decisive decade looks like for oil and gas majors.
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Ben van Beurden
Chief Executive Officer, Royal Dutch Shell Plc
Shell
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BONUS: The Stubborn Optimist's Playlist Vol. 3
Welcome to Volume 3 of The Stubborn Optimist’s Playlist!
Every week on the podcast we feature a musical artist who is thoughtful about the role of art and artists in the climate crisis and this week, we bring you a collection of those artists in playlist form as an extended listening experience.
Enjoy the music!
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The Stubborn Optimist’s Playlist Vol. 3:
(1:28)
Aaron Frazer - Bad News
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(5:17)
Alfred Nomad - Speaking
(6:10)
Alfred Nomad - Justice
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(8:50)
Mel Chante - Air
Spotify | Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | Website | Youtube
(11:56)
Asher Monroe - Speaking
(12:35)
Asher Monroe - Midnight Masquerade
Spotify | Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | Website
(15:53)
Milky Chance - We Didn’t Make It To The Moon
Twitter | Facebook | Instagram | YouTube
(19:20)
Guster - Satellite
Spotify | Apple Music | Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | Website
(23:52)
Marie Spaemann - Circles
Instagram | Facebook | Website | YouTube
(29:42)
Vivii - Speaking
(31:11)
Vivii - One Day
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(35:03)
Eliza Shaddad - Blossom
Our musical guest this week is Eliza Shaddad!
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(38:15)
Easy Wanderlings - Dream To Keep Us Going
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107. Breaking Boundaries, Post Growth & The Future We Choose
This week, a live recording of our event “Breaking Boundaries, Post Growth & The Future We Choose” with special guests Johan Rockström and Tim Jackson.
A little bit about our guests:
Johan Rockström is the Director of Potsdam Institute of Climate Impact Research & Author of Breaking Boundaries, which is both a book and a powerful Netflix documentary.
Tim Jackson is the Director of The Centre for the Understanding of Sustainable Prosperity at the University of Surrey and has recently issued his latest book, Post Growth.
Join us for a sobering, gripping, and stubbornly optimistic conversation about the most decisive decade in human history. How can we change the stories we tell ourselves, to engage, inspire and empower people toward climate action?
Hit play and listen in!
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Book Links:
Breaking Boundaries: The Science of Our Planet by Johan Rockström & Owen Gaffney
Post Growth: Life After Capitalism by Tim Jackson
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Johan Rockström
Director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK)
PIK
Tim Jackson
Author, Director of Centre for the Understanding of Sustainable Prosperity (CUSP)
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106. Warren East of Rolls-Royce says Nature is the Best Engineer
This week, we take a look at the latest pledges to arise from the G7 heads of government, who met over the weekend in Cornwall. Are these announcements indicative that the seven biggest western economies are really showing up to achieve a 1.5 world? Can this close the Gigatons gap in the run up to COP26? Can the Group of Seven offer developing countries funding alternatives to Beijing’s so-called 'Belt and Road' Initiative? Christiana, Tom, and Paul help us sort out this mixed bag of a weekend for climate.
Our special guest this week is Warren East, CEO of Rolls-Royce, an engineer by training and now leading a business in one of the hardest sectors to decarbonise: Aviation.
Aviation accounts for a significant 2.5% of global greenhouse gas emissions today, and growing. As the sector starts to recover from huge losses as a result of the pandemic, how does Rolls-Royce see the future for the sector and beyond the pandemic and into the climate crisis? We’ll hear from Warren on how the historic innovation of Rolls-Royce has the potential to lead us into a cleaner, more sustainable future of flight.
And stick around 'til the end because our music this week is from Asher Monroe! He’ll be performing live for us his single, ‘Midnight Masquerade’.
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Warren East
Chief Executive Officer, Rolls-Royce
Rolls-Royce
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See his conversation with Sir Elton John on Apple Music about his upcoming album.
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105. Why Dale Vince is a Successful Serial Climate Entrepreneur
With the G7 Summit happening in just a few days, things are looking good for it being a big moment for climate. Foreign Ministers have noted the impact of climate change on the most vulnerable, Health Ministers have made the link between health and the environment, Finance Ministers have supported mandating climate related disclosures...the momentum is real. But we’ve been here before with the same words and no action, so what is different this time around?
Later on in the episode we speak with serial climate entrepreneur, Dale Vince. Dale is a tireless force of nature. So far he’s founded a successful Green Energy company, Ecotricity; he’s Chairman of Forest Green Rovers, the world’s first all vegan, carbon neutral football team; and his company Skydiamond makes precious gems from carbon capture. We hear what underlies Dale's motivation and how his determined, stubborn optimism has made his ventures successful in demonstrating what we can still do to solve challenges posed by the climate crisis. And...is there a possible future for him in politics?
And finally, we hear a stirring spoken word piece titled, “Air” by Mel Chanté.
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Dale Vince
Environmentalist and Businessman | Founder of Ecotricity | Chairman of Forest Green Rovers
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Ecotricity
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Forest Green Rovers
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Our artist this week is Mel Chanté!
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BONUS: Richard Curtis, Amina Mohammed, Mark Carney, Christiana Figueres and More On Making Your Pension Clean Up
This week, a bonus! Our own Christiana Figueres spoke at the Net Zero Pensions Summit, hosted by Richard Curtis, the famous filmmaker and co-founder of Make My Money Matter, an organization elevating the voices of citizens to demand that pension funds invest in line with the values of their members.
In this episode you’ll hear from:
Richard Curtis
Filmmaker | Co-Founder of Make My Money Matter
Alok Sharma MP
COP26 President Designate
Mary Robinson
Chair of The Elders | Former President of Ireland | Former UN High Commissioner for Human Rights
Amina Mohammed
Deputy Secretary-General of the United Nations
Nigel Topping
High-Level Climate Action Champion for COP26
Mark Carney
UN Special Envoy for Climate Action and Finance
This bonus episode gives you a flavour of the Net Zero Pensions Summit, and we hope it will propel you to take a step and logging it on CountUsIn.org.
Enjoy!
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If you can represent a business, be a Net Zero Hero and please sign the Green Pensions Charter here: https://makemymoneymatter.co.uk/charter/
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104. Big Hits to Big Oil & Adam Gardner on a Music Climate Revolution
This week, we talk about the absolute shake up of a week Big Oil had, and a Music Climate Revolution that starts TODAY.
First up, a shareholder vote to add three new members to the Exxon board succeeded as part of a strategy by activist hedge fund Engine No. 1 to address the twin concerns of climate change and Exxon’s poor financial performance. One of the new board members is our good friend, Andy Karsner! He joins us at the top of the episode for a quick update on what these seats at the table mean for the Oil and Gas industry moving forward, but especially for humanity and the climate.
Second, the unprecedented ruling by a Dutch Court which ordered Royal Dutch Shell to cut its carbon emissions by 45 percent from 2019 levels by 2030 happened. To give us an incredibly exciting executive summary is Lead Campaigner of the case against Shell, Friend of The Earth’s Nine de Pater.
And finally for our main interview, we are joined by Co-Founder and Co-Director of Reverb, Adam Gardner, who is also the vocalist and guitarist of the band, Guster.. From intention to action, he expresses the work that Reverb has been doing over the last 18 years to disrupt industry norms and increase the climate positive impact of the music touring industry. Acknowledging the unprecedented influence and reach that musicians have at their disposal, Adam, the newest stubborn optimist recruit, explains how environmentalism can be united with fans’ passion to drive positive change and achieve meaningful environmental, social justice and community gains.
And this week for music, we have the privilege of spinning the famous “Satellite” by Guster. Join us, won’t you?
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Adam Gardner
Co-Founder and Co-Director of Reverb | Vocalist and Guitarist for Guster
Reverb
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A special thank you to Andy Karsner and Nine de Pater
Alexander “Andy” Karsner
Board of Directors | ExxonMobil
Nine de Pater
Lead Campaigner | Friends of The Earth
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Our musical guest this week is Guster!
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This is Clay’s favorite Guster Song: “One Man Wrecking Machine”
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103. Building a Movement to Fight a System with Jerome Foster II
On the back of the IEA report last week that shook the oil and gas industry, the G7 this week pledged not only to limit global warming to 1.5C, but to stop all new financing for overseas coal projects by the end of this year! An absolute breakthrough for the climate. We get into the geopolitics behind the G7 announcement and what it’s going to take to close the remaining 20+ GtCO2 gap left even after China and the US NDCs.
And our guest this week is championing and informing the policy behind climate and racial justice in the United States and beyond. After striking every Friday for 58 weeks in a row outside of the White House as part of the ‘School Strike for Climate’ movement, On March 29th 2021, Jerome Foster II was appointed the youngest ever member of the White House Environmental Justice Advisory Council. We talk with him about how young people are experiencing and meeting the massive social and political changes happening, and hear more about his vision for bringing about justice through US climate policy.
Stick around to the end of the episode for a live performance of “Justice” from Alfred Nomad!
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Jerome Foster II
Environmental Justice Advisory Council Member to the White House | Climate Justice Activist | Founder and Executive Director of One Million Of Us, Climate Reporter
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You need to watch Jerome in this piece by Initiative29 on Hulu
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Our musical guest this week is Alfred Nomad!
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102. Cooling Conflict by Tackling the Climate Crisis with Jens Stoltenberg
This week on the show we discuss the latest IEA Report, “Net Zero by 2050” which charts a path for the energy sector to achieve a 1.5 degree world, and specifically naming the 400 milestones that will get us there. It’s an incredible marker in this decisive decade because the IEA is the gold standard for energy policy around the globe (particularly for Oil and Gas), and in this report they explicitly detail the urgent and irreversible need for a rapid and comprehensive shift away from fossil fuels.
And later on, an O+O first. We get into the connection between national security and climate change with our special guest, Jens Stoltenberg, Secretary General of NATO. With his extensive career history, notably serving twice as Prime Minister of Norway and as UN Special Envoy on Climate Change, he has uniquely straddled both worlds of environmentalism and national security. We unpack how SG Stoltenberg views a military response to the climate crisis as NATO fulfilling it’s duty to secure today and tomorrow for its citizens.
Stick around to the end this week for a catchy tune from Milky Chance.
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Jens Stoltenberg
Secretary General of NATO
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101. A Fund for the Earth with Andrew Steer
This week, the Nature Agenda. A forest the size of France has regrown since 2000 and The Biden administration introduced its “America the Beautiful” plan. In it, they plan to conserve 30 percent of the nation’s land and water by 2030, calling it the country’s first-ever national conservation goal. Long overdue, but on the table.
Speaking of nature, later in the episode we discuss the role philanthropy can play in accelerating innovative actions and radical collaboration across movements to meet the impact of the climate crisis with the requisite attention. ‘A Fund for the Earth’ as it were.
We invite Dr. Andrew Steer, formerly President and CEO of the World Resources Institute, and as of April 2021, the CEO and President of the Bezos Earth Fund, to talk us through the opportunities and challenges ahead for philanthropy as we begin to make the systemic transition to a green economy. We ask how he will be looking to spend his whopping $10 Billion (with a B) budget to secure the SDGs by 2030 and create the biggest impact to accelerate various sectors towards their positive tipping points.
And an absolute smash this week in music from Marie Spaemann. Listen in!
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Andrew Steer
President & CEO, Bezos Earth Fund
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BONUS: Outrage + Optimism is 100 Episodes Strong! with Christiana, Tom and Paul
Outrage + Optimism is celebrating 100 episodes!
In this episode, we reminisce about our humble beginnings as a podcast and celebrate some memories made along the way. Not only are we celebrating 100 episodes but we also are turning 2 as a podcast! Yes!
So pour yourself a drink, light a candle, and join us for a moment together as we glance back and focus forward.
And! Dreams do come true because Paul Dickinson is our musical guest this week. You won’t want to miss.
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100. Financing The Race to Zero!
Welcome to the third episode of our Race To Zero series!
In this episode, we show you the money. Finance is an absolutely crucial factor in accelerating our world towards a Net-Zero future, and with less than 9 years left to halve our global emissions and current investments and markets spiraling towards catastrophic risk, it’s going to take every financial lever we have to shift the global economy to a sustainable, equitable, and just system.
On topics of investment, divestment, engagement, and tropical carbon pricing, you’ll hear from:
Mark Carney, UN Special Envoy for Climate Action and Finance and Prime Minister Johnson’s Finance Adviser for COP26
Amal-Lee Amin, Director of Climate Change at CDC and Senior Advisor to the UK COP26 Unit
Thomas Di Napoli, New York State Comptroller
Carlos Manuel Rodriguez, CEO and Chairperson of the Global Environment Facility
Kristalina Georgieva, Managing Director, IMF
And of course our good friend,
Nigel Topping, High Level Climate Action Champion for COP26
The race is on! Buckle up and hit play.
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Mark Carney
UN Special Envoy for Climate Action and Finance and Prime Minister Johnson’s Finance Adviser for COP26
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Amal-Lee Amin
Director of Climate Change at CDC and Senior Advisor to the UK COP26 Unit
CDC
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Thomas Di Napoli
New York State Comptroller
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Kristalina Georgieva
Managing Director, IMF
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The IMF
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Carlos Manuel Rodriguez
CEO and Chairperson of the Global Environment Facility
The GEF
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Nigel Topping High Level Climate Action Champion for COP26
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Race to Zero
COP26 - UN Climate Change Conference
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99. Hope Is a Verb with Fred Krupp
With the Biden U.S. Climate Summit barely in the rearview mirror, our hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson unpack what this moment means for global leadership, ambition, and the gaps in the road ahead for the climate movement. The new U.S. NDC of 50% GHG reductions by 2030 sets the stage for the rest of the decade, so what is next?
And our interview this week is with Fred Krupp, long-serving President of the Environmental Defence Fund (EDF). We discuss one of the most pressing and, until now, overlooked issues of methane leakage and emissions, and their wildly powerful short-term warming potential. EDF is launching a satellite soon that will track methane emissions around the world to keep us all accountable. Amazing.
We also celebrate the announcement at the Biden summit of the launch of the LEAF Coalition, a project that the EDF is partnering in with both private sector and government participation, and the impact this private and public partnership will have on tackling the stubborn challenge of tropical deforestation on a meaningful scale.
And be sure to hang around for a live performance from ViVii of their song ‘One Day’!
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98. 100% Outrage and 100% Optimism with John Kerry
Happy 51st Earth Day, everyone!
Today marks the first U.S. Earth Day Summit convened by President Joe Biden with the aim to strengthen climate ambition among invited world leaders ahead of the COP26 meeting in Glasgow in November.
And while the global community anticipates the details of the U.S’s own NDC announcement expected shortly before or at the summit itself, we speak to John Kerry in his role as Special Presidential Envoy for Climate, about his recent deployment overseas to meet delegates and colleagues ahead of the summit to discuss climate ambition and the urgent need for even more ambitious targets to be pledged in this most decisive decade.
And just before the interview, we bring the latest in climate news this week. We discuss the latest IEA report citing carbon dioxide emissions are forecast to jump this year by the second biggest annual rise in history, the UK’s Prime minister, Boris Johnson, pledging to reduce emissions 78 percent by 2035 compared to 1990 levels, and the U.S. Treasury appointing a climate counsellor, John Morton, to coordinate the efforts of a new climate hub focused on leveraging finance to confront the threat of climate change. Plus, we discuss the ratification of the Kigali Amendment to the Montreal Protocol.
It’s a busy Earth Day! Join in with us and listen!
And be sure to hang around after the interview for a musical treat from rock n’ soul legend-in-the-making, Aaron Frazer!
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97. Jojo Mehta on Ecocide and Ending Impunity
With France banning short haul flights, John Kerry on his way to China and South Korea to talk climate just days ahead of The US Climate Summit, and The American Legislative Exchange Council (not so) secretly planning to fight Biden on climate, this episode is jam packed with things to discuss!
And speaking of things to discuss, have you heard of the word “Ecocide”? It’s a term describing something we all understand and know is wrong - the mass damage and destruction of ecosystems. But, yet it is still somehow legally permitted around the world.
This week, we explore the tireless work of Jojo Mehta and the Stop Ecocide Foundation who are pursuing their goal to have Ecocide added to the International Criminal Court (ICC) as a fifth crime alongside Genocide, War Crimes, Crimes Against Humanity and Crimes of Aggression.
How would this fifth crime change corporate behavior? We can only assume it would act as a deterrent to environmental destruction, but could it also act as an accelerator of the goals of the Paris Agreement?
Stick around after the interview for a mesmerizing tune from Eliza Shaddad!
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96. Climate Action Is the Adventure of Our Lives with Bertrand Piccard and Dee Caffari
This week, the climate solutions are here, and they’re neatly labeled.
You may have heard of Bertrand Piccard, the explorer, balloonist, and ‘inspioneer’ who was the first to circumnavigate the globe in a solar powered aircraft in 2016. Well, since then, he’s been on a mission to support climate friendly technologies. With his Solar Impulse Foundation, he is close to having found, assessed and labeled 1000 cleantech solutions that have a positive impact on both the environment and the economy. Now he’s making sure that they get used. In our interview with him this week, we discuss his commitment to create and nurture innovative new ways of thinking that reconcile ecology and economy, providing a compelling argument for business and governments to act today to achieve planetary health and profit with his ‘Tao of Economics’.
And with Tom taking a well earned break away from hosting, we are delighted to introduce a special co-host for this episode, Dee Caffari, MBE! Dee is the first woman to have sailed single-handed and non-stop around the world in both directions and the only woman to have sailed non-stop around the world a total of three times! Yes, you read that right. Having witnessed personally the problem of single use plastics on ocean health, she uses her platform to raise awareness on Ocean health, sustainability, and a new danger - microplastics. Her fascinating first-hand experience and deep thinking on climate change makes determined ambition a reality.
Our adventure awaits!
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Chairman of the Solar Impulse Foundation | Explorer | Psychiatrist | Inspirational Speaker
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Dee Caffari, MBE
Chair of the World Sailing Trust | World Record Holder | Author and Ocean Advocate
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BONUS: The Stubborn Optimist's Playlist Vol. 2
Welcome to Volume 2 of The Stubborn Optimist’s Playlist!
Every week on the podcast we feature a musical artist who is thoughtful about the role of art and artists in the climate crisis. This week we bring you a collection of those artists in playlist form as an extended listening experience.
So without further ado, Vol. 2.
Enjoy the music!
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The Stubborn Optimist’s Playlist Vol. 2:
(0:59) James Hersey - My People
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(3:16) Mystery Jets - Wrong Side of The Tracks
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(7:07) Mesadorm - Easy
(11:15) Presidio - Clockout
(13:33) I See Rivers - We Don’t Get More Time
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(16:10) MF Tomlinson - Sum of Nothing
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(19:46) Beans on Toast - On and On
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(24:17) Gecko - End of The World
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(28:37) Desiree Dawson - Mountain Tops
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(31:21) Rhys Lewis - Better Than Today
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(35:06) Alex Serra - Everything is Changing
(39:47) Saunder Jurriaans - Easy Now
(42:55) Emmanuel Jal - We Want Peace
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95. Sounds of Action! The Stubborn Optimist's Playlist Vol. 1
Welcome to the very first Volume of The Stubborn Optimist’s Playlist!
Every week on the podcast we feature an artist who is thoughtful about the role of art and artists in the climate crisis. This week, we celebrate all the artists we have had on the show so far with 2 separate volumes for your listening enjoyment!
So without further ado, Vol. 1.
Enjoy the music!
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The Stubborn Optimist’s Playlist Vol. 1:
(4:12) Ellie Goulding - Speaking
(5:18) She Drew The Gun - Trouble Every Day
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(8:37) Blackout Problems - Dark
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(12:14) Jelani Blackman - Pretty World
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(15:42) Toukan Toukan - Konowoulen
(19:49) Billy Bragg - King Tide and The Sunny Day Flood
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(22:49) Robert 3D Del Naja - Speaking
(25:01) Massive Attack ft. Christiana Figueres - Eutopia
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(28:32) Gaeya - Contact
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(32:32) Cosmo Sheldrake - Speaking
(34:15) Cosmo Sheldrake - Cuckoo Song
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(36:56) Nick Mulvey - Begin Again
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(41:54) Baaba Mal - Leke
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(44:44) AURORA - Speaking
(46:00) AURORA - The Seed
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(50:43) Millie Turner - Underwater
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(54:34) Ayoni - The Patriots
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(58:47) Too Many T’s - Speaking
(01:01:18) Too Many T’s Not Enough Bees
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(01:04:50) OK GO - All Together Now
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(01:09:18) Aaron Taylor - Get Through This
(01:12:06) AJR - Speaking
(01:14:02) AJR - Burn The House Down
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94. The Risk of Living Under a White Sky with Elizabeth Kolbert
With CO2 in the atmosphere now reaching levels 50% higher than when humanity began large-scale burning of fossil fuels during the industrial revolution, time is running out and some ecosystems are on the brink of collapse.
In light of this, some scientists and engineers are asking the question, can we act in time to save them? What do we do if we cannot reduce emissions in time? What tools will we have to save humanity?
This week we talk to Elizabeth Kolbert, Pulitzer-Prize winning author, activist, The New Yorker journalist, about her latest book Under a White Sky, a fascinating work that is asking the big questions: having meddled so much in our natural ecosystems, are we now able to save them and ourselves from the devastating effects of climate change? What form will these interventions take? Are the proposals such a genetically modified coral or solar geoengineering even possible? Will our sky be white?
Join us for a delightfully sobering conversation.
And stick around later in the show for a musical performance from Saunder Jurriaans!
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Elizabeth Kolbert
In 2015, Elizabeth wrote a phenomenal article on Christiana in The New Yorker. Highly recommended reading!
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BONUS: What The Hale Does This Mean? with Thomas Hale: Net Zero Goals
A bonus episode for you this week!
With science demanding that in order to stay below 1.5C we must reach “net zero” greenhouse gas emissions by 2050 at the absolute latest, how do we get there?
We know we can’t keep emitting as we currently are and just offset to balance it out. We need radical cuts and that means a complete reshaping of the global economy and most business models. Arguably, anyone could shape their net zero goals differently, unless we can compare these (literally) hundreds of commitments that have been made - and hundreds, even thousands more that will continue to come.
So here’s a question - what does :net zero” actually mean? Is it the same as carbon neutrality, or any of the other terms we hear and read about?
This week, Tom Rivett-Carnac dials up for a quick chat with Dr. Thomas Hale, Associate Professor in Global Public Policy at Oxford University. He’s part of a team that has just released a report - Taking Stock: A global assessment of net zero targets. The report is the first quantitative analysis of the robustness of the different types of net zero targets and provides a baseline against which we can compare country, city, or company level net zero commitments.
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93. The Race To Zero! Extreme Electrification with Nico Rosberg and Sara Price
This is the second episode in our Race To Zero series!
All evidence points to the tipping point for electrification of road transport, and the end of the internal combustion engine. But will this happen fast enough?
One of the key pillars of the Race to Zero is to accelerate the adoption of Zero Emissions Vehicles. Today, transport accounts for about 16% of global emissions, but is a much higher share of total emissions in industrialized countries. For example in the United States, transport accounts for nearly 30% of emissions and globally is a major source of the pollution causing one in ten deaths.
If we’re going to succeed in this, it’s going to take everyone. So how do we bring in new people to take action on climate change? And how do we reach and inspire a new generation to never purchase an internal combustion engine? We ask Nico Rosberg and Sara Price whether the innovative impact of Extreme E and its exciting partnership with citizen action campaign, Count Us In, can bring the power of sport and the excitement of motor racing, to inspire the public to apply pressure that spurs industry and government policy to accelerate the race to zero carbon.
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Nico Rosberg
Sustainability Entrepreneur | Founder & CEO of Rosberg X Racing
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Driver of the No. 99 Hummer EV
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Nigel Topping High Level Climate Action Champion for COP26
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92. Vicki Hollub Thinks Oil Has a (Low Carbon) Future
This week we get into Republicans and climate change, faith and climate change, and some exciting news in climate philanthropy!
And our guest for this episode is President & CEO of Occidental Petroleum, Vicki Hollub. Not only is she the first and currently only female CEO of a major oil and gas company, but Occidental - or Oxy as the company is fondly known - is the first US oil and gas major to announce their strategy to reach Net Zero across emissions scopes 1,2 and 3.
We explore with Vicki the process of capturing carbon for enhanced oil recovery and why this has translated into plans to build the largest Direct Air Capture facility in the world, how they see their new DAC business venture beyond Oxy’s own fields, a vision of the energy future with oil and how they think they will contribute to a Net Zero carbon world.
But with the complicated history between oil and gas majors and the public, will the public trust needed to ensure Oxy’s success be rebuilt in time?
And stick around later in the show for a musical performance from Alex Serra!
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Vicki Hollub
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91. The Race to Zero! Road to COP26
Welcome to the first episode of our new Race To Zero series!
With COP26 as the vital milestone for climate action in November 2021, the promises and pledges made by governments must be converted into meaningful action beginning today. We know the EU, the UK and many other countries have net zero pledges but can they achieve them without a global collective effort?
And it’s not just up to governments - history has shown that political actors need the real economy to place wind in their sails. So with everything on the line and the clock ticking, the Race to Zero has no separation between winners and losers, and failure is NOT an option.
Joined this week by Rt Hon Alok Sharma MP, President-Designate of COP26, Patricia Espinosa, Executive Secretary of UNFCCC, Mary Anne Hitt, National Director of Campaigns for The Sierra Club, and Nigel Topping, High Level Climate Action Champion for COP26, we get a first hand look at what is at stake, who is stepping up, and how everyone can join the race to a better future.
And we’ll find out why COP26 is not just a 2 week event in November, but a race that has already begun.
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Alok Sharma
Rt Hon Alok Sharma MP, COP President Designate
Patricia Espinosa
Title: Executive Secretary of the UNFCCC
Mary Anne Hitt
National Director of Campaigns, Sierra Club
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High Level Climate Action Champion for COP26
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90. Ferocious Love with Katharine Wilkinson
With a deep freeze in Texas leaving a wake of devastation, a UN Security Council Meeting weakly addressing climate change as the planet’s “gravest threat”, and massive investment for offshore wind in Denmark to produce green ammonia, there’s no shortage of things to be outraged by or optimistic about this week!
We are at a new political moment where we are seeing the ambition for a cleaner world, and we are seeing the economics weigh more and more towards phasing out fossil fuels. We’re even seeing the political winds shift toward championing racial, social, and economic justice! And at the heart of the climate movement that is deeply committed to making all of this possible is a ferocious love for our planet, nurtured and activated by a ‘feminist climate renaissance’ as our guest, Katharine Wilkinson, phrases it.
This week we talk to Katharine Wilkinson, author, teacher and former Editor-in-Chief at Project Drawdown, about her latest book co-edited with Ayana Elizabeth Johnson, ‘All We Can Save’, an anthology of women’s voices in the climate movement, and what is giving her a “fire in the belly and the heart” in tackling the climate crisis.
Our interview with Katharine gets into why she believes the climate crisis is ultimately a leadership crisis, and explores the idea of transformative leadership and emerging voices at the core of the climate movement which she describes as, “characteristically feminine, but also more committedly feminist in its commitment to equality and justice.”
And stick around later in the show for a musical performance from Desirée Dawson!
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89. The Ministry for the Future with Kim Stanley Robinson
On Friday, The United States will officially be back in the Paris Climate Agreement!
*cue appropriate volume of fanfare*
And while in a week where Dallas, Texas is colder than Anchorage, Alaska - our co-host Paul Dickinson takes us on a short list of topics discussing the social cost of carbon recently updated by Joseph Stiglitz and Lord Nicholas Stern to match the severity of the climate crisis, as well as a listener question regarding the unregulated growth and steadily growing emissions of bitcoin and cryptocurrencies.
But all of this in context, with the US “still in” as it’s being promoted - We anxiously await the United States’ Nationally Determined Contribution which should be announced anytime between now and late April. Once that number comes through, the race to COP 26 will be at full speed where the very first 5 year check in of global accountability and ambition towards a net-zero 2050 and beyond will happen.
So with the world’s largest economy on track to boost the global coalition of nations dedicated to this collective goal, will we be able to achieve emission reductions fast enough to avoid catastrophe? This week our guest is legendary science fiction writer, Kim Stanley Robinson, whose prolific career includes the international bestselling Mars trilogy, and more recently Red Moon, New York 2140, Aurora, Shaman, Green Earth, and 2312. Stan joins us for an exclusive look into the themes of his latest book: The Ministry for the Future, which offers an unflinching look at what our future may hold even in 2025 if we do not address runaway climate change. Optimistically he says, “We are all living in a science fiction novel we are coauthoring together.”
So, what future will we write?
Sci-Fi Pop Music this week from French duo, Toukan Toukän!
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88. Living on Planet Earth with Oliver Jeffers
According to new research by a team of U.S. and U.K. scientists published in Environmental Research, Fossil fuels alone are responsible for more than 8 million premature deaths annually. That’s 1 out of 5 deaths.
Let that sink in for a moment. 1 out of 5.
This figure underscores a fact absent from much public debate and discussion about climate change. While the fight to stop greenhouse gas pollution by curtailing fossil fuel use is framed in terms of how it would improve the future, it’s also true that fossil fuels are killing millions of people right now. And right now is the time to change our thinking.
But when Climate scientists and activists are continuously imploring us to ‘look at the bigger picture’ to address climate change right now, what does this mean? How do we do it?
These are questions that our Outrage + Optimism guest, Oliver Jeffers tackles in this week’s interview with Christiana, Tom and Paul, as he delves into how he performs this perspective shift by ‘simple optics’ in his award winning picture books and visual art.
Whether brought on by an experience of art, science, religious practice, grief, love or parenthood, there is a need for us all to undergo a change in perspective and see beyond our day to day concerns and routines to grow an awareness of ourselves as a human family with a shared duty to protect our Earth, our home, from growing climate catastrophe. Art like Oliver’s, provides the perfect vehicle for this transformational and necessary journey which we hope you will all join us on.
Music this week from the incredible Presidio. Listen in!
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Oliver delivered a series of free art classes for children (and adults) in partnership with Harrods in which he demonstrates how to draw some of his best loved characters from his books. His website also includes more free activities for children and their families.
An Ode to Living on the Earth is Oliver’s fantastic Ted Talk.
The Moon, The Earth and Us is Oliver Jeffers 2019 art installation.
This Way Up is the upside down map that Oliver Jeffers referenced in the interview. More of Oliver Jeffers’ art work is available here.
These are the temporary tattoos that Clay wants.
Here is the Dipped Painting Project.
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Stream their latest EP - ‘Telepathy’ - Listen to “Unwind”
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87. The Future of Urban Transport
This is our fourth and final episode of an Outrage + Optimism investigative series on The Future of Transport.
In 2019, UN Secretary General stated that “cities are where the climate battle will largely be won or lost” and he couldn’t be more right. With seven out of ten people expected to live in urban areas by 2050, and cities currently consuming ⅔ of the world’s energy, the need to transition off of fossil fuel based urban transport has never been more urgent.
But how do we solve deadly air pollution, traffic congestion, overcrowding while securing racial justice and a just transition for marginalized communities? The answer might surprise you. From flying taxis and high speed pods, to better bus routes and bike lanes, the urban transport solutions of the future look as unique and varied as the cities they might one day serve.
The future of sustainable cities will mean that billions of citizens can safely get around and enjoy healthy, equitable lives in our urban spaces. From Sao Paulo to London, Montreal to Kampala, Our hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson speak to transport planners, pioneers and professors, all rising to the challenge of creating more sustainable cities.
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Kevin Manaugh: Associate professor in the Department of Geography and The Bieler School of Environment at McGill University
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Pia Heidenmark Cook: Chief Sustainability Officer, Ingka Group
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Robin Chase: Co-founder of Zipcar, Veniam, NUMO
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Claire Birungi: Institute for Transportation & Development Policy, Country Manager, Uganda
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Sergio Avelleda: Urban Mobility Director at the World Resources Institute Ross Center For Sustainable Cities
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86. The Scientific Case for The Race to Zero with Johan Rockström
Welcome to Season 3!
With a renewed sense of optimism felt around the world with the inauguration of President Joe Biden in the United States this month, our collective sigh of relief is quickly met with the sobering reality of the moment - Nature’s systems are collapsing and we are running out of time to stop irreversible changes to our planet.
The science is clear. If we do not rapidly cut global greenhouse gas emissions by at least 50% in 2030, we will push our Earth beyond the ‘planetary boundaries’ that have sustained life for millions upon millions of years.
So what exactly are these ‘planetary boundaries’ we are dangerously approaching, and what are the science-based solutions to achieve our 2030 emissions target? Is there hope for our future? Our guest this week, Johan Rockström, is here to present the sobering, scientific case for why science demands a united global commitment for the race to zero.
Johan Rockström is an internationally recognised scientist and director of the Potsdam Institute of Climate Impact Research. He is best known for his influential work on the ‘planetary boundaries’ framework on which he has delivered two outstanding Ted Talks, the most recent as part of the Ted Countdown series.
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BONUS: U.S. Inauguration Special with Gina McCarthy
Today we witness history, the 59th United States Presidential Inauguration.
And a long time coming, right? It’s been 4 years of destructive and incompetent leadership on climate from the United States federal government, but today the U.S. is BACK. Not only formally back in the Paris Climate Agreement, but back at the table with leadership and new positions in the White House creating the policy, action, and messaging around climate action.
So who better to talk to on this historic day than the incoming National Climate Policy Chief, and a beloved friend of this podcast, Gina McCarthy. Most recently President and CEO of NRDC, she was also the 13th administrator of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency under President Obama, where she ushered in a paradigm shift in national environmental policy, which expressly linked it to global public health.
Literally on her way to receive her COVID vaccine in DC so she can work at the White House, Gina pulled over to talk about what we can expect from this new office, new administration, and new moment.
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85. The Future of Shipping
This is our third episode of an Outrage + Optimism investigative series on The Future of Transport.
With 2020 barely in the rearview mirror, the pandemic rages on across the globe, new variants bringing concern and unified collective action to the forefront as a rapidly developed vaccine begins being administered as we speed into 2021.
That same resolve needs to be applied to climate change and the sectors in most urgent need of decarbonisation. And this week, we dive into the future of sustainable shipping.
We rarely ever think about the things we buy as being transported by sea, but shipping has been the backbone of global economies for thousands of years and today accounts for 90% of world trade. It is responsible for 2-3% of global emissions which if it were a country, would put it on a par with Germany - the world’s sixth biggest emitter.
The challenge to decarbonise shipping is huge. With around 60,000 vessels currently in operation emissions are expected to be 50% higher in 2050 than in 2018.
So how to turn this ship around? Our hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson speak to scientists, CEOs, politicians and pioneers committed to charting a course to a more sustainable shipping future.
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Jutta Paulus, MEP, Greens/EFA
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Jacques Vandermeiren, CEO, Port of Antwerp
Peter Hinchliffe, Former Secretary General, International Chamber of Shipping
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BONUS: A Great Regeneration with Andrew Higham and Mission 2020
A special bonus episode for a little inspiration as 2021 begins!
Christiana Figueres and the Outrage + Optimism gang chat with Andrew Higham, Chief Executive of Mission 2020 as its mission comes to a close. Mission 2020 was born out of the Paris Agreement to harness the momentum it brought about to ensure the urgency of the global climate conversation would be followed up by ambitious and daring action. Despite the coronavirus pandemic, 2020 did mark a turning point in tackling the climate crisis, with unprecedented commitment to achieving net zero emissions by 2050 at the latest, from governments, countries, regions, companies, investors and citizens. Now that 2020 has come and gone, what needs to happen next?
Through consultation with hundreds of climate leaders from the grassroots to the highest levels and from all around the world, we chat with M2020 about the underlying principles of the “Prelude to A Great Regeneration” which sets a vision for the remaining nine years of this Decisive Decade. By 2030 we have to cut greenhouse gas emissions globally by at least 50% and actively restore our natural world. Woven through the rich visions, it is our hopes and dreams for the future, and a common desire for something altogether new to emerge from this moment: a world that is kinder, braver, more equal and more just.
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84. The 2020 Christmas Lectures: A User's Guide to Planet Earth with Dr. Helen Czerski, Prof. Chris Jackson and Dr. Tara Shine
With the first year in the most decisive decade in history coming to a close, we wrap up Season 2 of Outrage and Optimism by being visited by 3 Christmas Ghos...ahem...Scientists.
...That’s a Charles Dickens joke.
But all joking aside, you are in for a real treat this episode.
The Royal Institution Christmas Lectures have taken place every Christmas since 1825 in the UK. Started as a way to educate the public about science, it has become an annual tradition loved by families across the globe, both adults and children alike.
So in this episode, Christiana Figueres and Paul Dickinson sit down with the three Christmas Lecturers this year, Dr. Helen Czerski, Professor Chris Jackson, and Dr. Tara Shine, all expert scientists from different fields who will be addressing the unique challenge of climate change by unravelling our astonishing global systems and remarkable natural wonders that combine to keep life on Earth alive.
This year the program is titled, “Planet Earth: A User’s Guide
And don’t be fooled. “Lecture” might be a bit dull of a term to describe what happens at this annual event. Explosions, experiments, and demonstrations abound in this exciting and engaging program.
So grab your popcorn and hot chocolate, and listen in as we are visited by 3 different scientists this Christmas - Each guiding us to see a perspective on how we can each protect our climate from changing and create a more equitable and sustainable world.
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83. How Europe is Racing to Zero with Frans Timmermans and Nigel Topping
The Climate Ambition Summit this week announced some of the most ambitious Nationally Determined Contributions we have seen to date. And so with the European Commission announcing it’s target of 55% GHG reductions by 2030, the world has optimistically moved even closer to limiting warming to only 1.5C.
So, what set of actual policies, financing, social protections and market incentives will guide the EU towards achieving this ambitious target? The European Green Deal. It’s a set of bold policies guaranteeing “economic growth decoupled from resource use” as well as ensuring “no place and no person is left behind.”
Our guest this week is a major champion for The Green Deal, First Vice President of the European Commission, Frans Timmermans. Frans shares his deeply emotional family connection to our responsibility in this historic moment, and we discuss his passion for climate when it comes to radical shifts in energy that bring about redistribution of wealth and justice to the inequality crisis.
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82. The Paris Effect with Laurence Tubiana
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On December 12th, 2015 the landmark Paris Agreement was adopted by 195 countries as the first unanimously agreed climate change treaty. It has become a symbol of collaboration, a spirit of shared interest merging harmoniously with enlightened self-interest. This weekend is the 5th anniversary of the Paris Agreement’s adoption and, as we near the end of an extremely challenging 2020, it’s time to celebrate the phenomenal changes that have happened and are happening in the real economy. We have not one, but two phenomenal guests this week.
France's former Climate Change Ambassador and Special Representative for the 2015 COP21 Climate Change Conference in Paris, Laurence Tubiana, joins us to discuss the nail-biting process with our hosts, Christiana Figueres, who oversaw the delivery of the Paris Agreement as the former UN Climate Chief at the time, Tom Rivett-Carnac (former chief political strategist for Figueres) and Paul Dickinson, Executive Chair of CDP. This is a no holding back chat about how history was made, their outrage about what has not happened yet, and the extraordinary achievements that have already taken place – now known as the Paris Effect.
Also, we have an Outrage + Optimism SURPRISE conversation with New York City based band, AJR plus an exclusive performance of their global hit, Burn the House Down (figuratively, not literally!).
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81. Climate Justice and Racial Justice with David Lammy
Around the world In 2020, we saw an unprecedented rise in activism surrounding Black Lives Matter and the call for racial and social justice. But if there’s one enormous takeaway for those marching for the climate, it is that our fight for climate justice is inextricably linked to our fight for racial justice.
BIPOC have suffered, are suffering, and will continue to disproportionately suffer the harshest effects of climate change. Unacceptable. So what clear actions can organizations, individuals, and institutions take to rectify this massive injustice? Taking us to the heart of the matter this week is our guest, British MP David Lammy.
David Lammy was the first black Briton to study at Harvard Law School and practised as a barrister before entering politics. He has served as the MP for Tottenham since 2000 and as Shadow Secretary of State for Justice and Shadow Lord Chancellor in Keir Starmer's Shadow Cabinet since 2020. David is one of Parliament’s most prominent and successful campaigners for social justice. His recent TED Talk titled “Climate Justice Can’t Happen Without Racial Justice” has amassed millions of views and has become required viewing for anyone involved in climate action.
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80. The Future of Fuels
This is our second episode of an Outrage + Optimism investigative series on The Future of Transport. There’s no denying that for over a century, fossil fuels have played a key role in humanity’s progress. But at a cost. They account for two-thirds of global greenhouse-gas emissions, and the pollution from burning them kills more than 4 million people a year.
So in a year where cars sat unused, and oil prices crashed...what is the future of fuels? We know that in order to meet the Paris Agreement, we need to reduce CO2 emissions by 50% by 2030. Because even though COVID-19 is expected to reduce energy-related CO2 emissions by 7% this year, we need massive changes in how we move people and things.
So will we see the end of the internal combustion engine? How will the world go electric? Can hydrogen scale to meet our energy demands? Our hosts Tom Rivett-Carnac, Christiana Figueres and Paul Dickinson pull out the roadmap to a zero-emission future, hit the road looking for answers to a decarbonized transport sector with experts who are in the driver's seat.
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Ramez Naam, Singularity University
Monica Araya, Climate Champion
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79. Everything Is Possible with Sanda Ojiambo
After 4 intolerable years of you-know-who in the US, this week there seems to be a brief moment of calm. But while many of us are catching our breath, the world is transforming how it will conduct business as usual by pressing the proverbial ‘reset’ button on what appears to be “everything we do and how we do it.” - to quote Lindsay Levin.
And this is the perfect moment to reset everything, right? We’ve seen economic inequality grow exponentially, we’ve seen the gender gap resist closing, and we’ve watched the climate crisis reveal itself not just on television, but in our own backyards. And, not to mention, COVID.
But in 2020, there’s one person who believes everything is possible.
Sanda Ojiambo is Executive Director and CEO of the United Nations Global Compact, the first African citizen to be appointed to the post, and second woman! We meet her on this episode in week 5 of her life in New York City after relocating from Nairobi for the job. Sanda brings her brilliant mind and stubborn optimism to leading the business world on accomplishing the SDGs in this historic and unprecedented time.
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78. Adrenaline, Stamina and Joy with Xiye Bastida
With young voter turnout in the US election the highest it has been in 40 years, President-Elect Joe Biden is heading to the White House with a mandate to address the climate crisis head on, following on his promises he made during his campaign.
So along with the shock of having a President that acknowledges the climate crisis poses some absolutely crucial questions: What do we do with someone in power who is listening to climate activists? What do we focus on achieving first? How do we work with someone who will inevitably not go as far as we want them to go on climate? Who wins, and in what order in a multi-polar political world?
Our special guest this week has an incredible perspective on the intersectionality of climate and social justice, and is mobilizing and energizing tens of thousands of people to raise their voices and bring about a world where things like food sovereignty is law, and we don’t see trees and oceans as natural resources but sacred elements.
Xiye Bastida is a Mexican-Chilean climate activist and member of the indigenous Mexican Otomi-Toltec nation. She is one of the major organizers of Fridays for Future New York City and has been a leading voice for indigenous and immigrant visibility in climate activism. She is on the administration committee of the People's Climate Movement and a member of Sunrise Movement and Extinction Rebellion. She is co-founder of Re-Earth Initiative, an international not for profit organization that is inclusive and intersectional “just as the climate movement should be.”
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77. U.S. Election Special: A New Optimism with Ben Rhodes and Todd Stern
The US election winner has all but been formally declared, with Joe Biden on the cusp of electoral victory. But after all the votes are counted, we see that there was record turnout for both Democrats and Republicans. What mandate does a Biden administration have to lead again globally on climate action?
This week we talk with two experts with first hand experience in US climate policy. Ben Rhodes, former Deputy National Security Advisor for President Obama, and Todd Stern, who was the United States Special Envoy for Climate Change leading up to the Paris Agreement.
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76. Decision Time 2020 with John Podesta
Election Day is next Tuesday, November 3rd.
It cannot be ignored - How the US will vote next week will have global consequences. What does the outcome look like as we see it just before Election Day, and how on Earth did we get here to this one single decision that will shape what feels like everything for generations to come? In our search for understanding (and peace of mind) we pose all of our concerns, worries, and questions to one of the leading experts in US politics and US climate policy, John Podesta.
John Podesta served as White House Chief of Staff to President Bill Clinton, served as an advisor to President Barack Obama, and was Chair of Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign. With 52 years in presidential politics, and with the experience of running a campaign against Republican candidate Donald Trump, we sit down for an insightful view on what chances Democratic candidate Joe Biden has of winning the presidency this time around, as well as a forecast of what we should expect next week on Election Day.
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75. Optimism and Earthshots with Prince William
This week on Outrage + Optimism, Prince William is here!
With just under 10 years to cut global emissions by 50%, the future of our planet depends on a raising of ambition we have not seen since JFK’s Moonshot. A conservationist at heart and in practice, Prince William is on the hunt to find and finance the solutions that will get us there.
Enter The Earthshot Prize - Five, one million-pound prizes awarded each year for the next 10 years, providing at least 50 solutions to the world’s greatest environmental problems by 2030.
The categories for the prizes are as follows: Protect and Restore Nature, Clean Our Air, Revive Our Oceans, Build A Waste-Free World, and Fix Our Climate – simple yet ambitious goals, underpinned by scientifically agreed targets, which if achieved by 2030 will improve life for us all, for generations to come.
Our hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson sit down with The Duke of Cambridge to find out why he is doing this now, and how optimistic he is that we can solve the climate crisis.
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74. The Future of Flight
This is the first of an Outrage + Optimism investigative series on The Future of Transport. Today our cars, planes, trains and ships cause nearly 30% of global carbon pollution. We think the pioneering spirit that got these industries and forms of transport underway more than 120 years ago will have to be reinvigorated to get to a transportation sector that is fit for a low carbon future.
This first episode tackles The Future of Flight. COVID-19 has dealt the airline industry a devastating blow. Airline revenues have been decimated, passenger numbers are down by 70% and hundreds of thousands of people have already (or are at risk of) losing their jobs.
Can this moment of challenge be a springboard toward a sustainable future for airlines? Are there sustainable solutions ready now? And what does the future hold? Tom Rivett-Carnac and co-hosts Christiana Figueres and Paul Dickinson are on a mission to find out what the new aviation pioneers have in store to accelerate the sustainability of airlines and propel us into The Future of Flight.
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73. Prelude to TED Countdown with Chris Anderson and Lindsay Levin
On the eve of TED Countdown, Christiana and Tom sit down for an in-depth conversation with TED's Chris Anderson and Lindsay Levin, CEO of Leaders' Quest, detailing an exclusive sneak-preview of what we can look forward to during the epic virtual climate event scheduled for Saturday, 10.10.20 at 11 AM ET
You can find all the details and livestream the event at Countdown.TED.com as well as on TED's YouTube Channel
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72. No Room for Being Cynical with Ted Danson
Plenty of outrage this week after the first U.S. Presidential Debate and disappointing news about the biodiversity pledge. But a conversation with Ted Danson offers hope and insight from his remarkable life and commitment to the worlds oceans.
When Ted met environmental lawyer Bob Sulnick he become involved in a movement to prevent digging for oil wells in Santa Monica. Buoyed up by the victory, Danson accelerated his involvement by helping create the American Oceans Campaign in 1987, which eventually became Oceana in 2001.
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BONUS: Climate Leadership Now with Alok Sharma, Kara Hurst and We Mean Business
New York Climate Week is where leaders from finance, business, cities and regional government gather to galvanise climate action alongside the UN General Assembly every September. This year was no different, with all events in virtual form both at the UN and outside it. In the lead up to the fifth anniversary of the Paris Agreement later this year, the point where governments promised to update their ambitions on climate change, we explore real actions in the real economy and politics.
Following the big news that China’s Xi Jinping announcing the country’s new goal to be carbon neutral before 2060, Christiana talked with Alok Sharma, the UK government’s Secretary of State for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy, also President of the forthcoming climate negotiations, COP26, to find out about the state of diplomacy and what to aim for in 2021. Tom talked to four leaders from the private sector to find out about the biggest movers that will transform the next 10 years, including Amazon’s Kara Hurst, Mindy Lubber of Ceres, Halla Tómasdóttir of The B Team and Claire O’Neill of WBCSD.
Read the We Mean Business Coalition’s report, Climate Leadership Now, for further information on Action, Ambition and Advocacy in the private sector: www.wemeanbusinesscoalition.org/climate-leadership-now/
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71. We Can Only Face the Future if We Do it Together with Achim Steiner
As the Administrator of the United Nations Development Programme, Achim Steiner has a relentless collaborative spirit. The conversation covers the relationship between the environment and economic development as big news comes this week from China.
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70. BP's Road to Rebuilding Trust with CEO Bernard Looney
This week we sit down with the CEO of BP, Bernard Looney. Following BP's announcement to be net-zero by 2050 and cutting oil production by 40% by 2030, we talk about the beginning steps to rebuilding trust and what it looks like to transition an oil and gas company away from oil and gas.
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69. Climate Action is a Team Sport with Uber's Dara Khosrowshahi
It all started one cold night in Paris in December 2008. Two American friends visiting the city couldn’t get a taxi and this frustration inspired them to ask ‘what if’? What if it were possible to order a car ride with a simple tap on your mobile? Since both came from successful San Francisco tech backgrounds, it wasn’t surprising that this personal experience led to the creation of the company that is today the global tech on-demand transportation platform, Uber.
Now Uber is all grown up. It’s a publicly listed company, known for fuelling the gig economy – and has become embedded in our language and culture. The company operates in over 10,000 cities in 69 countries with a variety of services beyond personal rides including UberEats, cycle share schemes and more. Uber however has not stopped asking ‘what if’ and has chosen this crucial decade to set itself the challenge of integrating global climate targets with a seamless user experience.
Outrage + Optimism hosts, Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson talked to Uber’s CEO Dara Khosrowshahi about the company’s announcement this week of its commitment to meet the goal of net zero by 2040, a bold and necessary step to tackle the climate crisis. We are fascinated by the potential this has for changing the culture of the 5 million active drivers and for millions of Uber riders taking 18 million trips between them every day. To fuel the greener electrified system, app users will have the option to favour drivers of hybrid and electric cars through Uber Green, and in future, can select from different forms of mobility based on their priorities at any given moment – cost, time, or carbon. Uber says they will literally put the power on our fingertips to contribute to the greening of our cities. You can listen to the whole episode here.
Why does Uber’s announcement this week really matter to people who live in cities around the world?
The Paris Agreement, signed by 195 counties in 2015, calls for a unifying goal to reach net zero emissions by 2050. This is based on the global scientific consensus that doing so will allow us to stay below 1.5C of global warming, beyond which it becomes more economically and socially disruptive to live with the effects of climate change.
According to the EPA transportation accounts for 28.2% of the greenhouse gas emissions in the United States of America. Most of this comes from the emissions of cars, trucks, ships and other forms of transportation. Over 90% of the fuels used in transportation are from fossil fuels, mainly oil (or petroleum) sources. These not only cause damage to the environment, they cause the air pollution around the world that results in the premature deaths of 7 million people every year, according to the World Health Organisation. During the COVID-19 crisis, people with underlying respiratory health issues have been more likely to die when they contract the virus, so we need to converge the solutions to the climate change, inequality, health and economic crises.
Cities, where the vast majority of Uber rides take place, account for 70% of global carbon emissions and are home to more than half of all people on earth. As the world continues to urbanise, making cities sustainable is one of the biggest challenges – and opportunities – that we have. We will need resilient cities that support a good quality of life for all. By 2050 there will be 9 billion of us on the planet and 68% of us will live in cities. This means the frontlines of climate change are the cities of the world and moves like Uber’s will make cities more liveable and critically enable urban populations to survive and thrive in a new co-created urban economy.
By committing to net zero by 2040, Uber plans to play its part in tackling the most pressing issues facing humanity in this, the most decisive decade in human history. Dara Khosrowshahi’s letter explaining the company’s commitment is available to read here: https://www.uber.com/en-GB/newsroom/leadership/dara-khosrowshahi/
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68. Faith, Science and the Climate Crisis with Dr. Katharine Hayhoe
With over 80% of people on Earth claiming a religious affiliation, it's impossible to imagine solving the climate crisis without major religions taking climate action on as a spiritual exercise of their faith.
and in the US, less than 30% of white evangelicals believe the Earth is warming due to human activity. With only 60 days til the US election, how are evangelical Christians going to vote on climate change? Why is the gospel of climate change failing to reach them?
Dr. Katharine Hayhoe is an award winning climate scientist and endowed professor of public policy and law at Texas Tech University, AND an evangelical Christian. Her incredible work of connecting the dots for believers and non-believers alike when it comes to the intersection of faith, climate, science and politics has earned her the awarded title "Champion of the Earth" from the UN Environment Programme, as well as vitriolic hate-mail from those threatened by her telling the truth.
And, later in the episode we have our first live hip hop music performance from Too Many T's!
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BONUS: Extinction Rebellion Are Back with Gail Bradbrook
Ahead of the massive climate demonstrations planned by Extinction Rebellion the first 2 weeks of September, Tom has an insightful conversation with Extinction Rebellion co-founder, Gail Bradbrook on what we can expect to see and how we can get involved.
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67. Longing for the Endless Immensity of the Sea with Philippe Cousteau Jr.
"If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people to collect wood and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
One of the often taken-for-granted and overlooked aspects of climate is our oceans. And by oceans, we mean ocean. One. All "oceans" are part of the same system, and they have been absorbing the heat and CO2 that we have been so irresponsibly emitting.
But how can we get people to take action on climate, sustained and long-term? Our guest, Philippe Cousteau Jr. believes it all begins when we fall in love with our oceans. Standing on the shoulders of his father, Philippe Sr. and grandfather, Jacques Cousteau, Philippe reaches even further by taking us with him to explore just how endlessly immense the sea is, how much it has loved us, and how much we love it back.
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66. Embracing Radical Uncertainty with Rebecca Solnit
With the US election less than 75 days away, the entire world is watching because the future of the planet is on the ballot. How do we rise in moments like this to be the people this moment needs us to be? How can we face the uncertainty of our future with stubborn optimism to address our greatest challenge, climate change?
This week we have a special guest that heavily influenced the idea of "Stubborn Optimism" and the optimistic basis of Christiana and Tom Rivett-Carnac's book, "The Future We Choose." Our guest this week is writer, historian, and activist, Rebecca Solnit. She has authored more than 20+ books on feminism, western and urban history, popular power, social change and insurrection, and hope and catastrophe. Including titles such as "Men Explain Things to Me" and "Hope in the Dark," her non-dualistic mindset and unmatched word-smithing expands our minds and creativity when approaching climate change and the consequential moment we live in. She is quoted as saying, "Hope is embracing radical uncertainty." Yeah. She's good.
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65. Hope, Rage and What We’re Going to Do About It with Jonathon Porritt and Lily Cole
This week! 2 Authors, 1 Crisis. Do we have a "Hope In Hell" to survive the climate crisis, or do we have "Reasons To Be Optimistic" in the face of it? We talk with longtime activist Jonathon Porritt and famous model and actress Lily Cole about their brand new books, and find out the role that both rage and hope play in pushing us to ask ourselves in light of the climate emergency, "What are you going to do about it?"
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64. Alan Jope is Doubling Down
When a new CEO steps in to their new role at their new company, more often than not they take the company in a new direction. But what happens when you're the new CEO at a company that has 100+ year roots in feminism, pensions, and social safety?
Enter Alan Jope, CEO of Unilever. With a company that has its products being used everyday by over 2 billion people, changing direction would be a massive undertaking. But Alan doesn't want to change direction, he wants to double down on speed and scale. We find him in a unique moment of converging crises (COVID, Climate, Inequality, etc. to name a few) completely able to take care of everyone at Unilever, while accelerating the progress of addressing climate and sustainability, and staying accountable for it. You won't want to miss what he has to say.
And stick around for a live performance of "We Don't Get More Time" by I See Rivers!
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63. Facing an Uninhabitable Earth with David Wallace-Wells
What role does fear play in awakening humanity to avoiding it's own demise? Can fear sustain long-term action and help us avoid climate change? This week we talk the scary bits of climate truth with author of "The Uninhabitable Earth" David Wallace-Wells. He discusses with us the responsibility of communicating the full potential picture of climate change as a journalist, and how more people on Earth need to hear what could happen if we do not act now.
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62. Taking Dirty Energy To Court with James Thornton and Dr. Tara Shine
Since the adoption of the Paris Agreement, legal systems around the world are beginning to witness the power of citizens, organizations, and businesses fighting legal battles to protect Earth. But who's side is the law on? This week we talk about how the tides have turned in favor of Earth in court with CEO of ClientEarth, James Thornton. We hear about how ClientEarth is mending the relationship between humanity and the Earth through the law, and James shares some amazing news from China regarding citizens being able to sue the Chinese government in environmental cases. Stick around for the amazing story of how €30 shut down a coal mine.
And our special guest co-host this week is Dr. Tara Shine. Science and policy adviser, explorer, tv presenter, and author (to name a few), Tara joins us to discuss the intersection of human rights and environmental rights, and intros us to her exhaustibly-researched-yet-incredibly-practical book, 'How To Save Your Planet One Object At A Time'.
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61. Massive Attack and Saci Lloyd Are Creating Eutopia
In a world where culture leads politics, what is the role of the artist in political activism?
This week, we interview Massive Attack's Rob "3D" Del Naja and long-time collaborator, Mark Donne to discuss intentional, subversive creation in times of COVID. One such timely creation came about last week when Massive Attack collaborated with Mark and our very own Christiana Figueres to create a sonic experience that evokes an unsettling of the self to expose the dark, dystopian reality that the climate crisis has promised. Based on the backdrop of Sir Thomas More's 1516 "Utopia" The 3 songs on Massive Attack's EP "Eutopia" as described in their own words, "have nothing to do with naïve notions of an ideal, perfect world, and everything to do with the urgent & practical need to build something better."
And, as Tom is away on holiday, we are joined by a guest co-host! None other than brilliant author and writer, Saci Lloyd. Saci is a pioneer in the Cli-Fi book genre, and has written the critically acclaimed series, "The Carbon Diaries." Her quick wit, irreverent pen, artistic spirit, and deep knowledge of everything climate helps us unpack how we should protect and view the role of the artist in a society that so desperately needs them.
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60. NASA Astronaut Jessica Meir Went Off The Earth, For The Earth
This week, Outrage! and Optimism goes galactic to talk about the relationship between policy and science. In a world riddled by authoritarian divisions and isolating nationalism, how do we bring ourselves and our neighbors to the realization that we are one human race on a fragile planet that we need to protect?
Upon her return back to Earth, NASA Astronaut Jessica Meir agreed to sit down with us and talk through her experience of leaving the Earth, and how communicating what is often described as "The Overview Effect" can transform how we live our lives here on our tiny, blue marble.
Our musical guest this week is Mesadorm. They recorded an intimate rendition of their song, "Easy" for us. Stick around to hear it!
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59. Richard Curtis Wants to Make Your Money Matter
This week, a LIVEstream episode! We were joined by activist and filmmaker, Richard Curtis, for his second time on the podcast! His latest initiative, Make My Money Matter is a campaign to shift the £3 trillion invested in UK pensions away from fossil fuels, arms, and meat production over to clean energy, healthcare, and human rights. This initiative is helping vegans not unknowingly invest in meat production, helping doctors not unknowingly invest in tobacco, and the list goes on. Amazing stuff.
And later on in the episode, another Outrage + Optimism first! A live musical performance from Beans on Toast of his song, "On & On". Check out the music video for "On & On": https://bit.ly/2YTfRWL
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58. Paul Polman is Creating the Stakeholder Society
Christiana is BACK! We discuss to rise of "stakeholder capitalism" and how it could be a turning point for corporations and countries to #buildbackbetter. Our interview this week is with former CEO of Unilever, Paul Polman. Paul enlightens us on how the private sector has a major opportunity and responsibility to bring back humanity to the core of its driving purpose. We explore his success in turning the tide of capitalism towards corporate social responsibility, and why certified, true green business is better for return on investment, as well as the safety and health of humanity.
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57. Marco Bizzarri and Lucy Siegle are Helping to Fashion The Future
This week on the podcast, we talk about the second most polluting industry in the world, fashion. We talk with President and CEO of Gucci, Marco Bizzarri about why Gucci went carbon neutral with offsets, and how they plan to take their entire supply chain to carbon neutrality without having to pay for offsets. And to achieve that, they've launched both #CEOCarbonNeutralChallenge and Equilibrium.Gucci.com. Listen in to hear how they're going to do it.
And before that interview, our guest co-host this week is Lucy Siegle, Nature and Climate Journalist/Writer, focusing in on plastics and the fashion industry. Lucy gives us a word on why fast-fashion consumerism post-COVID is even more unsustainable, and breaks up the conversation about having her urine tested for banned plasticizers. You don't want to miss it.
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56. The Head and The Heart of Radical Leadership with Kumi Naidoo and Lindsay Levin
This week, something a little different!
For our conversation, we are joined by South African Environmental and Human Rights Activist, Kumi Naidoo. Kumi is best know for his time running GreenPeace International and Amnesty International, two massive organizations that get at the heart of enacting justice in all it's forms around the world. We talk about what kind of leadership is needed in our search for environmental and racial justice.
And our main guest this week is Lindsay Levin, CEO of Leaders' Quest. Lindsay has dedicated her life and her work to reshaping what leadership looks like through vulnerability, listening, and doing the work of searching ourselves to find our collective humanity.
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55. Inger Andersen and Jane Goodall are All In #ForNature
It's World Environment Day, and what better way to celebrate than with Executive Director of The United Nations World Environment Programme, Inger Andersen. She gives us her optimism about dreaming up the regenerative world filled with biodiversity and a right relationship with nature, as well as her outrage over the social, economic, and racial inequality that pervades our current systems.
And while Christiana is away on holiday, Tom and Paul discuss why environmental justice means that black lives matter, and Tom tells us about his newest book, "What Happened When We All Stopped", illustrated by his sister, Bee Rivett-Carnac, and narrated by none other than Dr. Jane Goodall.
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Introducing: So Hot Right Now
To save the world we need to change the story. Nature and the climate are in crisis. To survive we must use our most powerful tool - communication. Telling these stories can be difficult and dangerous. But done right they can change the world. Join environmental journalist Lucy Siegle (The Guardian, The One Show) and wildlife filmmaker Tom Mustill (Greta Thunberg / #NatureNow & BBC Natural History Unit) as they learn how to communicate better, from those who do it best.
This episode looks at the work of the world’s premiere nature broadcaster, one of the most trusted voices in the world. We ask Sir David Attenborough what he has learnt, what he would do if he was starting his career now, how we can use wonder to fight for nature and what we need to do immediately.
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54. Seize the Moment with Teresa Ribera and Thomas Thune Andersen
A landmark draft law brought forward in Spain would ban all new coal, gas, and oil projects and bring Spain's carbon emissions to net-zero by 2050. Why is right now, in the middle of a health crisis, the right moment for this? We speak to Spanish Vice President and Minister of The Ecological Transition, Teresa Ribera, and get her courageous reasons.
So if oil and gas are being phased out, how do energy companies make the switch? We speak with current Chair of renewable energy company Ørsted, Thomas Thune Andersen. Ørsted was recently named "Most Sustainable Company In The World" after transitioning from extracting fossil fuels to a company that harnesses 30% of all global wind energy.
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53. The Power of Nature with Tom Crowther
It's International Biodiversity Day and we're celebrating in style!
We talk with Prof. Dr. Tom Crowther of Crowther Lab, ETH Zürich, who captured the imagination of the world with the idea that our world could support another trillion trees, and how that could restore a new world through carbon drawdown, create a better world with more biodiversity, provide the roadmap to a regenerated world which right now we can only dream of. His research has galvanized many to begin restoration efforts, including the least likely of suspects, Donald J. Trump. What do you do when a climate denier supports your work on climate change? Tom Crowther answers in this episode.
We also discuss the four principles Nature-Based Solutions which, among all the emerging guidelines and standards, are critical for successful restoration and conservation, avoiding "green-washing" of solutions that cover up escalating emissions.
After the interview, Christiana and Clay spring a guess-that-animal-sound game on the rest of the Outrage and Optimism team and one particular host refuses to lose.
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52. Jane Fonda Has Been Getting Arrested
This week on the podcast we get outraged at the logical fallacies that comprise Michael Moore's new film, "Planet of The Humans" and we call up Jonathan Koomey, Climate Energy Expert from Stanford University to give us an objective look into the claims of this film.
In our main interview, we sit down with Jane Fonda. Recipient of various accolades including two Academy Awards, two BAFTA Awards, seven Golden Globe Awards, a Primetime Emmy Award, the AFI Life Achievement Award, and the Honorary Golden Lion...need we go on? She tells us about the transformative experience of civil disobedience, and how celebrities have a unique opportunity to be "repeaters" as she calls it, to send the message on climate all across the world.
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51. A Very Special 1 Year Celebration Episode!
Outrage and Optimism turns 1! YAY!
In true Outrage and Optimism fashion, we give you a different kind of episode. This week we celebrate some amazing moments from the last year together, and we cast a vision for what we hope another year of podcasting will bring us!
From Norwegian Musicians to Tom sweating while putting together audio equipment, to a close call almost standing up the Prime Minister. Listen in for some deep reflections and thrilling stories.
And of course, we play some submitted audio from our fans as we celebrate one year of this podcast together. Thank you for those!
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50. Yuval Noah Harari on the History of Our Future | Anniversary Episode!
HAPPY 1 YEAR!!! To mark the 1 year anniversary of Outrage + Optimism being a podcast, we have on historian, futurist, philosopher, and best-selling author, Yuval Noah Harari! He is best known for his book Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind. A phenomenal read.
Yuval shares with us the power of the stories we choose to believe about ourselves. How good they can be, and how they can also trap us. We get his thoughts on the narrative of the climate crisis, and what it would take us to believe to survive it.
As mentioned in the episode, we're collecting your input for next weeks episode! Record a video of yourself sharing the following:
- Your name
- Where you're listening from
- One thing you like about Outrage + Optimism!
Please post on FB, IG, and Twitter and tag us @GlobalOptimism so we can see your submission and possible use it for next week! Entries need to be posted by TUESDAY, MAY 5TH @ 1PM GMT. Have fun! Thanks for posting!
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49. The Third Mass Bleaching Event with Emma Johnston (COVID and Climate #5)
HAPPY 50TH EARTH DAY!!!
This week we celebrate Earth Day with a return cameo from High Level Climate Action Champion, Nigel Topping. Nigel gives us an inside update on the unknowns of COP26, and gives us an exclusive on how coordination and ambition is going in the midst of the pandemic.
And for our main interview - The Great Barrier Reef has sustained a third mass bleaching event in 5 years. Will it survive? Emma Johnston, Dean of Science and Professor of Marine Ecology and Ecotoxicology at The University of South Wales in Australia breaks it down for us. She does a deep dive on what bleaching is, why the bleaching is happening so frequently, and she answers the question, "Will the coral survive?"
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48. It's a GZERO World with Ian Bremmer (COVID and Climate #4)
There's a leadership vacuum in the world, and Ian Bremmer, creator of the term "GZERO" has been telling us for years. The US used to play a more pivotal role in world ambition, and in particular, world ambition for achieving the targets of The Paris Agreement. But what do we do when the US has stepped down from that role they played, and what new phase of globalism is now a reality? We ask Ian to tell us his analysis.
Ian Bremmer is president and founder of the political risk consulting firm Eurasia Group and GZERO Media. He is also the host of the podcast “GZERO World with Ian Bremmer.”
After the conversation, the three hosts discuss the format of the Paris Agreement in a GZERO world, and Christiana reminds us that the most vulnerable are being caught at every turn by every crisis facing us today.
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47. Solidarity and Self-Interest with Professor Joseph Stiglitz (COVID and Climate #3)
Tom, Christiana, and Paul are back together (in their separate homes) and we continue our series, searching for how to emerge from the COVID-19 Pandemic better prepared to combat the climate crisis! This week we get a tour of solidarity economics and a treasure trove of economic wisdom from Nobel Memorial Prize Winner, Professor Joseph Stiglitz.
The gang chats about what they've been up to in self-quarantine, they discuss the severity of the income inequality crisis, and Professor Stiglitz reveals to us that these stimulus packages being approved by national governments are proof that we have always been able to afford preventing climate change.
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46. Let's Get Ethical with Dr. Fatih Birol (COVID and Climate #2)
Week 2 of our series on emerging stronger and better equipped from the coronavirus is here!
As many if not all national governments are rolling out stimulus packages to address the economic affects of COVID-19, why should economic stimulus packages be focused on the clean energy transition? Our interview this week is about the importance of ethics-based stimulus packages with Dr. Fatih Birol, Executive Director of the International Energy Agency.
Also - Christiana and Paul hold the fort down while Tom is away working on his TED Talk and they discuss what new ways of living in the pandemic that should stick once we return to "business as usual."
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45. Coming Back Stronger with the Teaching of Thich Nhat Hanh (COVID and Climate #1)
We're doing something new! This is the first episode on a multiple week journey to discover how we can come back from the crisis of COVID-19 better and stronger in our fight against climate change.
In this episode, we are joined by Sister True Dedication and Brother Phap Dung, senior monastics at Plum Village, a monastery started by well-known Buddhist Teacher, Thich Nhat Hanh. Paul brings us an isolation game, we play for you some clips of our life right now in this strange time, and Christiana schools us on her article published in TIME Magazine this week.
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44. Caring in the Times of Corona
As the news rolls in everyday from COVID-19, we take a pause to reflect on this past week. The sudden change in human behavior, how governments have done massive interventions to protect citizens, the ambition and action of businesses to slow contamination, and lastly, how humans have rediscovered humanity in caring for one another. Christiana brings a list of amazing things happening in the the midst of the pandemic, and Tom shares a bit about how a revelation during his time as a Buddhist Monk could change the world.
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43. Coronavirus and The Climate Crisis + Live #TheFutureWeChoose Q+A!
With everyone grounded because of COVID-19, Tom and Paul dial each other from their homes in the UK to discuss just what Coronavirus is bringing to light about how we respond to a crisis. We manage to get Christiana on the phone for an update from the book tour in Australia, and we play the incredible live Q+A from #TheFutureWeChoose book event in Washington D.C.
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42. Stella McCartney is Choosing a Fashionable Future
Christiana skips over to Paris Fashion Week to meet up with Stella McCartney, sustainable fashion designer. Stella's luxury fashion brand has been animal-free since their founding in 2001. She and Christiana sneak 60 journalists into a secret event at the Opera Garnier and discuss the dark reality of fashion's impact on the environment.
You can officially order "The Future We Choose" wherever books are sold! Here's the link to order your copy now: https://globaloptimism.com/the-future-we-choose-book/
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41. A Live Conversation about "The Future We Choose" with Tom Friedman
This week we're LIVE for a #TheFutureWeChoose conversation with NYT columnist and 3 time Pulitzer Prize winner, Tom Friedman.
The book is out! You can officially order it now wherever books are sold! Here's the link to order your copy now: https://globaloptimism.com/the-future-we-choose-book/
This episode was recorded at Politics and Prose, a fantastic bookstore in Washington D.C. https://www.politics-prose.com
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40. John Kerry is Here and He's Not Messing Around
The most consequential event this year in climate is the 2020 U.S. Election. Former U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry gets real with us on why some people should be held criminally liable for not acting on climate science, why he's optimistic about the future, and how climate as a voting issue can beat Donald Trump.
Pre-order Tom and Christiana's new book, "The Future We Choose" now!
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39. Science! Leadership! Action! with Rainn Wilson, Dr. Gail Whiteman, and David Perry
This week we deviate from the normal episode with 3 of our friends!
First, we meet up with Rainn Wilson (Dwight Schrute / The Office U.S.) and Dr. Gail Whiteman to talk about @ArcticBasecamp's new campaign, "Speak Science To Power" and how we can give power to scientists and bring science into corporate boardrooms everywhere.
Later on David Perry (Indigo Ag / Terraton Initiative) tells us why carbon shouldn't be vilified and how we can solve the climate crisis by looking right where we're standing.
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38. Not All Superheroes Wear Capes with Oliver Bäte
This week a special guest drops in to chat with the gang! Hint: He's a "High Level Climate Action Champion" (what a title!) They talk what is crucial to the lead up to COP 26 and why ambition is the heart of driving results this year on climate.
Later on we're joined by Oliver Bäte, CEO of Allianz. Oliver is boldly charging the insurance industry to divest from fossil fuels, and leading by example.
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37. The Courage and The Clear Sight of Luisa Neubauer
At just 23 years of age, Luisa Neubauer is fighting for our future in ways that will shape the future of activism and corporate responsibility forever. A best selling author and #FridaysFor Future activist, Luisa got the attention of the CEO of Siemens over an investment they have in the infamous Adani coal mine in Australia. After Siemens then offers her a position an advisory board for their new energy company, Luisa is faced with a decision.
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36. The Great Australian Inferno with Kevin Rudd
It's 2020! We're back! It's the "super year" for climate and the most consequential decade in human history! This week Tom and Christiana talk with former Prime Minister of Australia, Kevin Rudd. Kevin shows us the roots of why the Conservative Party in Australia and the Murdoch media empire are perpetuating a state of climate inaction, and why he's optimistic that the Australian fires are the turning point for humanity and our climate.
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35. Richard Curtis Has an Optimism That Comes From His Outrage
Tom and Christiana interview producer Richard Curtis. Richard is the creator of Bridget Jones Diary, Four Weddings and a Funeral, and Love Actually - but Richard's social work with Comic Relief, Make Poverty History, and the 10:10 campaign are equally as inspiring.
Tom, Christiana, and Paul wish listeners a Happy Holidays and talk about the exciting things to come for 2020.
"The Future We Choose" Pre-sales are available now.
WeChooseTheFuture.com
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34. A Live Conversation with Chris Anderson from TED
Tom has a in-depth conversation with Chris Anderson of TED and host of the TED Interview podcast. They speak on the history of The Paris Agreement and the ambition that TED has in the new global TEDCountdown initiative for 2020.
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33. The Green Belt Movement with Wanjira Mathai
This week we have an inspiring conversation with Wanjira Mathai as she talks about The Green Belt Movement, the interconnection of sustainability, and how to combat corruption & greed.
We discuss the announcement by the European Investment Bank to stop funding fossil fuels, how psychology professionals plan to work on climate change, and Paul takes us on his trip to the Magic Kingdom.
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32. Closing the Emissions Gap with Patricia Espinosa
After a devastating UNEP Emissions Gap report details how governments are not doing enough to meet the 1.5C Paris Agreement target, Tom and Paul ask the question, "Can we still do this?" Later, Christiana joins her successor at the UNFCCC, Executive Secretary Patricia Espinosa, for the scoop on what we should expect out of COP25 beginning Monday in Madrid.
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31. How to Face The Mess We're in Without Going Crazy with Joanna Macy
As the US approaches Thanksgiving week, we quiet ourselves for an intimate interview with environmental activist, Buddhist scholar, and deep ecologist, Joanna Macy. She shares why we should suffer with the world as we experience the climate crisis, and why that's a tall order for our current political economy. But before that, Paul almost curses about how frustrating Bjorn Lomborg is, and Tom and Christiana share exciting details about their new book, "The Future We Choose"
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30. Banking on the Climate with Mark Carney
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29. The Sounds of Antarctica: A Sonic Expedition!
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28. What a Great IKEA with Jesper Brodin
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27. No Room for a Sinking Feeling with Hilda Heine
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26. Saving the Planet Begins at Breakfast with Jonathan Safran Foer
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25. Going Beyond Meat with Ethan Brown
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24. It's Time to Rebel with Gail Bradbrook
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23. Innovating Breakthroughs with Sir Richard Branson
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22. The Calm Before The Summit with Amina J. Mohammed
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21. Stopping the Amazon Fires with Thomas Lovejoy
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20. Adaptation is Survival with Emma Howard Boyd
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19. Climate Justice is Social Justice with Isra Hirsi
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18. Getting Outraged by Lies with Bill Nye
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BONUS: Outrage and Optimism on The BBC
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17. How Canada Came Back with Catherine McKenna
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16. "Thank You for Being Late" with Tom Friedman
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15. Lobbying for "Clean" Coal with John Ashford
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14. Outrage + Optimism LIVE Q+A!
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13. Seeking Fairness in an Unfair World with Angel Gurría
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12. Learning to Live with Grief and Joy with AURORA
This week we're taking a break from our normal policy discussions to figure out how to embrace both hope and despair in these difficult times. Christiana reveals her inner dialog of wrestling with how to sustain her "stubborn optimism," and Tom and Paul join in to share their thoughts on why the present moment is both the best of times and the worst of times. Later in the episode, Tom and Christiana sit down with AURORA, Norwegian singer-songwriter. She lets us in on how to make every mundane moment meaningful, and how she embraces grief and joy in the midst of growing global anxiety.
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11. All about EU with Miguel Arias Cañete
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10. Trumps' Roll Back of Science with Gina McCarthy
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9. Net Zero Legacy with Theresa May
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8. Finding Refuge with David Miliband
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7. Every Breath Matters with Dr. Arvind Kumar
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6. Looking for Leadership with Ben Rhodes
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5. Everyone is Needed with Bill McKibben
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BONUS: Striking for the Climate with Greta Thunberg
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4. Voting for a Future with Jay Inslee
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3. It's an Emergency with William Hague
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BONUS: Facing the Extinction Crisis with Jane Goodall
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2. Outrage and Optimism with Ellie Goulding
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1. The Power of Outrage and Optimism with David Attenborough
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