Joel Unger, design director at Atlassian, shares how AI is transforming the way he designs Trello and other products. He walks through real-world workflows using tools like Midjourney and Cursor to prototype complex interactions, re-create brand assets, and explore creative directions faster than ever. You’ll hear how AI is helping designers focus on higher-level thinking, communicate better with developers, and push creative boundaries—all without replacing the human touch.
What you’ll learn:
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Where to find Joel Unger:
Website: https://joelunger.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joelunger/
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Website: https://clairevo.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/clairevo/
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In this episode, we cover:
(00:00) Intro and Joel's background
(02:46) Trello's new productivity features
(04:24) Traditional design process limitations in Figma
(05:22) Using Cursor to prototype interactive panel systems
(07:39) From prototype to production: collaborating with developers
(08:52) How Joel used AI to prepare for the podcast
(10:50) How AI saves designer time for deeper thinking
(11:23) Last-minute logo animation using Cursor
(13:50) Using Midjourney for character design exploration
(14:56) Creating a mood board for Taco: the Trello husky mascot
(16:49) How AI is changing design thinking and workflows
(18:18) Lightning round and closing thoughts
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Tools referenced:
• Confluence: https://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence
• Bitbucket: https://bitbucket.org/product/
• Trello: https://trello.com/home
• Figma: https://www.figma.com
• Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/
• ChatGPT: https://chatgpt.com/
• Midjourney: https://www.midjourney.com/
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Other reference:
• Atlassian: https://www.atlassian.com/
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