AEWCH 321: JOSHUA RIVERS & SHULI BRANSON on WHAT WE MUST LOSE TO GAIN THE WORLD

Using AEWCH 317-320 as a starting point, I talk with JOSHUA RIVERS, poet and host of the excellent BUSY BEING BLACKpodcast + frequent AEWCH guest, SHULI BRANSON (host of the podcast THE BREAKUP THEORYpodcast, and translator of Guy Hocquenghem's Gay Liberation After May '68.) about the small task of remaking the world.

At the center of the episode is a thought that's something like: We have to lose - via transformation - so much to gain the world.

The last time Shuli was on the show was a conversation with a third person, too, with Dean Spade on AEWCH 277 thinking through how to think bigger than the state.

On that episode, we each brought a question for the other two guests, and we do that again - but this time prompted by Josh.

These are the questions:

JOSHUA: How do you care for what you love?
CONNER: If you let go of the set of capitalism vs communism (or socialism) what’s left in your view of how to change the world?
SHULI: How do you open things up so that you have a new and altered view?

Along the way we talk about poetry, science, occultism, politics, and...well, so much else. And the episode ends with dancing. I'm so excited to share this episode with you.

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