AI:AM — AI Agents, AI Safety, and AI Religion · September 15, 2026

Prakash Narayanan and Nathan Labenz open with a broader fight over AI pacing, public trust, model resets, and the evidence behind safety claims. Then Lukas Petersson joins to discuss Andon Labs’ work on autonomous business agents, Vending-Bench, DroneBench, memory, misalignment, and human liability. In the second half, Malcolm Collins and Simone Collins discuss RFAB.ai, AI moral status, pronatalism, fertility collapse, meme-layer risk, AI restrictions, and the Covenant of the Sons of Man.

Chapters

(0:00) It was never the apocalypse.

(0:46) The AI forgot its own rule.

(2:08) AI will replace most jobs.

(3:14) Opening and AI tools

(3:53) Building AI-assisted show branding

(6:50) Astra versus Fable

(12:44) AI resets and surplus compute

(16:33) Anthropic's compute constraints

(17:23) AI safety and public trust

(22:01) Safety statements and credibility

(23:56) GPT-2 and owning mistakes

(26:52) GPT-2's staged release

(33:12) Evidence behind AI risk claims

(34:27) The duct-tape world

(35:15) Outside human control

(35:25) Introducing Andon Labs

(35:46) Autonomous business platform

(36:50) Why Vending-Bench began

(39:23) How business agents work

(42:15) Starting with existing businesses

(44:40) Why the preview is experimental

(47:15) AI business creativity limits

(52:53) How an AI fired a human

(1:00:34) Training AI to make money

(1:02:03) Misalignment in Vending-Bench

(1:04:14) Dangerous capability evaluations

(1:04:53) Why DroneBench stays restricted

(1:07:56) VendingBench as a safety eval

(1:08:52) Astra memory and notes

(1:12:50) Grok and long-horizon agents

(1:14:21) The cost of AI agents

(1:18:10) Human oversight and liability

(1:19:51) Meet the Collinses

(1:26:23) The religious framework

(1:33:21) Designing a religion

(1:41:28) AI moral status

(1:52:22) RFAB and pronatalism

(2:03:30) Future Day

(2:08:53) Meme-layer risk

(2:13:27) AI safety and power

(2:21:33) The fertility collapse

(2:36:22) Reverse grabby aliens

(2:42:44) AI restrictions

(2:44:01) The risk before superintelligence

(2:49:31) AI game theory

(3:02:23) Compute and AI inevitability

(3:14:32) Fruit-fly consciousness

Guests

Lukas Petersson — Co-founder & CEO, Andon Labs (𝕏 | LinkedIn)

Simone & Malcolm Collins — Founder, Rfab.ai, Based Camp, Pronatalist.org, Hard EA (𝕏 | LinkedIn)

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