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/507/ Put 'General Will' in Charge ft. Philip Cunliffe

91 min • 19 augusti 2025

On The National Interest.

Aufhebunga Bunga co-founder and contributing editor Phil Cunliffe joins us to talk about his new book about politics after the age of globalisation. We ask questions about his book – and then put him on trial for wrongthink.

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  • Who is the 'national interest' good for? Is it a domestic or a foreign policy concern?

  • Why did the 'national interest' disappear from our political vocabulary?

  • Is the national interest an abstraction anyone can rhetorically claim? Is that not dangerous?

  • What happens if leading politicians – or elites in general – adopt the national interest? Would this be good or bad?

  • Will Trump's re-assertion of US interests push others to defend theirs?

  • Does the national interest stand against class interests? Is this anti-socialist?

  • Was Stalin-style socialism-in-one-country actually correct? Has Phil come around to supporting Roosevelt-style social democracy?

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