I Live for Eventing — But I Live for the Horses More | With 5* Eventer Matt Brown and FEI Dressage Rider Cecily Clark

What if the problem in equestrian sport isn't the riders who make the headlines, but the culture that produced them?

In December, five-star eventer Matt Brown and FEI dressage rider Cecily Clark posted an open letter to the equestrian world. It struck a nerve — thousands of reactions and a flood of private messages from people who'd felt the same unease but thought they were the only one.

In this episode, the husband-and-wife team behind East West Training Stables sit down with Karen and Meta to talk about what it really costs to compete at the top, and why Matt describes being named an Olympic alternate as one of the lowest moments of his career. Together they move the conversation away from singling out individuals and toward something harder to look at: the culture we've built around competition, and the things we've simply grown to accept.

Along the way they explore the horses who've gone quiet in the warm-up ring — shut down, chins to their chests — the education gap that leaves even professionals unsure how a horse actually sees the world, and why choosing the slower, kinder path so often feels like failure long before it feels like progress.

An honest, generous conversation about welfare, culture, and change — and why none of us needs to be perfect to start trying to do better.

📩 Read the open letter that started it all