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OpenAI cofounder Greg Brockman on the scaling hypothesis and refactoring as a killer AI use case

32 min • 18 juni 2025

Greg Brockman—OpenAI cofounder and Stripe's first engineer—joins John Collison to talk about research-driven product development, an early moment he thought OpenAI was doomed, S curves in AI advancement, and energy bottlenecks.

Timestamps

(00:00) Intro

(02:51) Was OpenAI the first company to take the scaling hypothesis seriously? 

(04:53) Lessons from Dota about deep learning 

(08:08) What is a good new Turing test?

(08:57) Personalization in AI 

(09:57) Research-driven product development

(10:26) An early moment OpenAI felt doomed 

(15:01) OS limits on AI product development

(17:59) When will AI make novel advancements in math or science?

(20:03) Energy bottlenecks

(22:30) S curves in AI advancement 

(24:00) AI coding 

(26:25) Refactoring as a killer AI use case

(27:26) How OpenAI decides what products to built

(28:53) Growing up in North Dakota

(30:17) How far away is AGI?

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