Chief Change Officer

The way we communicate is changing—but what does that mean for the humans doing the talking?

Dr. Juliana Schroeder, associate professor at UC Berkeley Haas, has spent her career unpacking how we perceive other minds—both human and machine. In this episode, she breaks down how AI isn’t just reshaping tech—it’s reshaping the psychology of communication itself. From virtual assistants to algorithmic bias, and from voice cues to power dynamics, Juliana offers a grounded look at what we gain (and risk losing) as AI enters our social and professional lives.

For executives, educators, and anyone raising kids in a world of voice bots and Zoom calls, Juliana’s insights are both sobering and empowering: technology may evolve, but the need for mindful, human-centered interaction is here to stay.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

The Mind Behind the Mind: Why She Studies Perception

“Humans can’t read minds—but we act like we can. I study how we form beliefs about others’ thoughts and feelings—and where those beliefs go wrong.”

From Hard Science to Human Behavior

A former physics student, Juliana fell in love with psychology’s messier questions: persuasion, power, and decision-making.

Alexa, Am I in Charge?

“When we treat virtual assistants like humans, we start to feel powerful. That shift can change how we act—sometimes for the worse.”

The Confirmation Bias Trap of AI

“LLMs like ChatGPT often reflect what we say, not what we need. They’re agreeable by design—and that creates a unique kind of echo chamber.”

Medium Matters: Why Voice Beats Text

“Text strips out nuance. Voice restores it. If you want to be seen as warm, competent, or persuasive—don’t rely on email.”

Hiring, Algorithms, and the Need for Transparency

“When high-stakes decisions get outsourced to black-box AI, people rebel. We still want a human in the loop.”

Designing Better Conversations—With Humans and Machines

What if your AI pushed back? Juliana imagines future assistants with ‘sass’ to counteract human overconfidence.

What Leaders Should (Still) Master

“Great communicators don’t just speak—they switch modalities when needed. They know when to email, when to Zoom, and when to step away.”

More Tech ≠ Better Talk

“Too many tools can backfire. The best leaders know how to reduce distraction and amplify meaning—whether talking to humans or machines.”
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Juliana Schroeder, PHD

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Confidence might be the most overused word in leadership—but Lucy Gernon is here to give it teeth.

After two decades in the pharmaceutical world, Lucy faced a moment of reckoning when a family tragedy pushed her to stop waiting and start living on her own terms. Now, as a multi-award-winning executive coach and founder of the Executive Presence Blueprint, she helps high-achieving women get out of their own heads—and into positions of power.

In this episode, Lucy opens up about overcoming self-doubt, people-pleasing, and the inner critic that once held her back. From side hustle strategies to emotional intelligence and inclusive leadership, she shares what it really takes to build confidence that lasts—not the kind that sounds good on Pinterest, but the kind that actually gets you promoted.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

From Science to Stage: A Career Rewired by Purpose

“Even as a microbiologist, I always loved people more than Petri dishes.”

The Wake-Up Call: When Life Says ‘Go Now’

“When my father-in-law died suddenly, I realized: I was living to please others, not myself.”

Why She Stopped Quoting Gurus and Started Trusting Herself

“I used to borrow quotes—until a coach said, ‘What about your frameworks?’ That changed everything.”

The Confidence Myth, Debunked

“It’s not about being loud. It’s about being certain—in your voice, your value, your vision.”

Motherhood, Mortgages, and Making It Work

“I didn’t leap blindly—I side-hustled, saved, tested, and built. Strategy beats spontaneity.”

What Executive Presence Looks Like Now (Hint: Not a Guy in a Suit)

Harvard data, leadership shifts, and why charisma, inclusion, and vision matter more than ever.

Her Signature Framework for Female Leaders

Gravitas, communication, appearance—and the one trait that still tops them all: confidence.

Learning to Let Go: Why Clients Must Do the Work

“It’s not my job to fix someone. The right clients are ready to act, not just listen.”

AI and Coaching: Collaborators, Not Competitors

“I use AI every day—to refine frameworks, spark ideas, and scale tools. But human connection? That’s irreplaceable.”

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What happens when the dream job turns into a corporate casualty?

Benedikt Oehmen spent nearly two decades at Blizzard—first as a support staffer, then a beloved team leader—only to watch the company’s gamer-first culture erode after its merger with Activision. When layoffs came, it wasn’t just a paycheck he lost. It was identity, community, and certainty.

But Benedikt didn’t stay stuck. He pivoted from game development to career redevelopment—first coaching his own team through grief and transition, then launching a business to guide others through the same. 

In this episode, he shares his powerful “Big Three” framework—Be Kind, Be Present, Be Open—along with practical tools for anyone facing layoffs, career upheaval, or a post-corporate identity crisis. It’s not just theory—it’s lived wisdom from someone who’s been there.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Blizzard Beginnings: From Physics to Warcraft

“I took a semester off physics to try working at Blizzard… 17 years later, I was still there.”

When Work Feels Like Family—Until It Doesn’t

“It wasn’t just a job. We played together, worked together, partied together. And then came the layoffs.”

Culture Clash: When Epic Games Turn Into Earnings Reports

“After the Activision merger, all we heard was: how do we make more money?”

Career Plot Twist: Coaching Instead of Collapsing

“I stayed to help my team transition. That’s when I discovered coaching—and myself.”

No More Overlords: Why He Chose Life After Layoffs

“I didn’t want to keep making rich people richer. I wanted to help geeks like me take back control.”

The Big Three: A Framework for Reinvention

Be Kind. Be Present. Be Open. Simple words, real results.

Mistakes = Learning in Disguise

“Writing a book felt impossible—until I reframed it. Not ‘write a book.’ Just ‘become a person who writes daily.’”

From Grief to Growth: Why Change Can Still Be Kind

“It’s okay to mourn the past. But if you listen to your future self, you’ll start moving again.”

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Ian Myers isn’t here to give you startup hacks—he’s here to tell the truth.

At just 26, he became a CEO. By 30, he’d built Oceans, a $10 million agency connecting skilled professionals in Sri Lanka with U.S. startups. But his story isn’t a straight line—it’s an open map. From literature to venture capital, Japan to New York, success and failure, Ian has treated life like a Tintin adventure: follow the clues, embrace the chaos, and keep going.

In this conversation, we dig into what really fuels a global entrepreneur—from Buddhist philosophy to a bias for action—and how Ian’s building a future-of-work company that’s human-first, not hype-driven. For anyone rethinking college, career paths, or the AI takeover, Ian offers something rarer than advice: perspective.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Tintin Over Tech Bros: Why Curiosity Beats Calculation

“My role model isn’t Musk or Zuck—it’s Tintin. He’s fearless, inquisitive, and always exploring something new.”

Zen and the Founder’s Mind

“Buddhism taught me how to stay grounded through chaos. That mindset shaped how I lead.”

LinkedIn Paralysis Is Real. Here’s What to Do Instead.

“People tell me, ‘My classmate’s a VP already—I’ve failed.’ That thinking’s toxic. Just follow what’s interesting.”

Ageism, Across Borders

“In Japan, your age trumps your ideas. It pushed me toward entrepreneurship.”

Oceans: Talent Without Borders

“We embed Sri Lankan professionals into U.S. startups—not as temps, but as core team members.”

AI, Hype, and the Reality Check

“Yes, AI is impressive. But like every tech wave, adoption will take longer than people think.”

The Diversity Dilemma: Who Gets a Seat at the (Remote) Table?

“We’ve turned down clients who wanted ‘an attractive female EA.’ We hire for skill, not stereotypes.”

Don’t Overplot Your Life.

“The world’s chaotic. You won’t chart a perfect course. Just keep moving—and recalibrate as you go.”

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For the first time, the Chief Change Officer podcast returns to its birthplace—Hong Kong—to spotlight local artist and community builder May Yeung.

From doodling on walls at age two to sculpting giant dim sum steamers for public exhibitions, May’s journey is anything but typical. She swapped Goldman Sachs for gallery spaces, battled cancer with faith (and clay), and now leads Art of My Family, a charity that brings art, healing, and heritage to underprivileged youth across Hong Kong. Whether it’s mental wellness programs, intergenerational education, or marine-themed installations made from recycled shells, May turns every life experience into a canvas for good. Bonus: her baby son Archer makes a surprise guest appearance—arguably stealing the show.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Draw First, Write Later: A Childhood in Color

“I drew on walls before I could write my name… by twelve, I knew I’d be an artist.”

When Music Shapes the Clay

From piano lessons with Hong Kong’s top musicians to dance-sculpture mashups, May’s art listens before it speaks.

The Goldman Pivot: Finding Purpose Through CSR

“I helped organize community art after Hurricane Sandy. That’s when the impact bug bit.”

From Cancer to Conviction: The ALT of Art

“Faith, feeling alive, touching lives—cancer gave me a new mission, not just new scars.”

Archer Joins the Show: A Toddler-Sized Shift in Artistic Purpose

“Motherhood made me realize: my art must nourish the next generation—his and others’.”

Dim Sum, Ping Pong, and Bamboo Dreams

From Chinese checkers to handmade steamers, May’s art honors Hong Kong’s everyday beauty.

‘What If’ and ‘Blossom Love’: Sculpting Global Conversations

“What If” made her the first Asian sculptor to exhibit at Rockefeller Chapel; “Blossom Love” built a cultural bridge between Hong Kong and the Netherlands.

Why ‘Art of My Family’ Isn’t Just a Name

May’s nonprofit uses art to serve mental health, sustainability, and inclusion—with the three C’s: co-design, co-create, co-learn.

Mission: Teaching Artists Who Teach From Life

“I’m not just instructing—I’m modeling the mess, joy, and resilience of the creative path.”
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Vince Jeong isn’t your typical edtech founder—and this isn’t your typical training conversation.

After immigrating to Canada at 12 and learning English from scratch, Vince chased uncertainty across five continents and a dozen careers—from McKinsey to NGOs in Tanzania to Latin American startups. That winding path led him to one insight: real learning happens when real people engage together, not alone.

Now as CEO of Sparkwise, he’s scaling live group learning in ways that mirror the best of Harvard and McKinsey—without the tuition price tag or talent filters. In this episode, we unpack how Vince is reimagining adult learning for corporations, creators, and communities alike. If you’re bored to tears by lifeless courses and stale corporate training, tune in for a vision that makes learning social again.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Immigrant Experience 101: Rebuilding Myself at Age 12

“Moving from Korea to Canada without speaking English forced me to rediscover who I was.”

Curiosity Beats Certainty: The Career Built by Exploration

“I chased the unknown—Tanzania, Colombia, consulting—because experience is the only way to find what matters.”

Why Group Learning Beats Solo Slides

“Learning isn’t about dumping information. It’s about building shared understanding in real time.”

From Stage to Startup: Live Group Dynamics Are in My DNA

“I hosted live shows on Korean TV, emceed weddings, and ran workshops—I’ve always brought people together.”

Scaling Harvard-Style Learning Without the Harvard Price

“We’re making elite-level training experiences accessible to more people—without compromising quality.”

Human > Hashtag: Rebuilding Community That’s More Than Skin Deep

“Social media gave us networks, not connection. We’re creating the space for meaningful group interaction again.”

Partners in Impact: Who Sparkwise Was Built For

“Our tools are for those who want richer learning—or want to scale what they offer without losing touch.”

The Content Wake-Up Call: AI Can’t Replace Real Dialogue

“Content’s getting commoditized. The future lies in how we apply, discuss, and activate it together.”

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Sienna Jackson, the CEO of Nortera.io, walks us through her unexpected shift from entertainment executive to impact strategist. Rather than chasing a title, she followed a thread—registering an LLC, collecting ideas, and finally stepping into work that aligned with her values. Now, she’s helping professionalize the field of social impact by focusing on measurable outcomes, not slogans. From impact modeling to cross-sector coalitions, Sienna shows how complex change starts behind the scenes—with better systems, shared language, and a refusal to settle for surface-level good.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

When Pivoting Isn’t a Plan—but a Pattern

“I just said, ‘I’m doing social impact now.’ But it was a pattern—an arc I had been on for a while.”

She slowly started buying domains, registering an LLC, and collecting ideas. By 2020, she sent one email—“I’m doing social impact now”—and launched into a new chapter that was already quietly in motion. 

Why ‘Impact’ Needs More Than Good Intentions

“Impact is the net positive change rendered as a direct and material result of your actions.”

She calls out the performative fluff in corporate social messaging—empty slogans with no metrics behind them. 

Building the Back-End of Good

“I learned about logic models, stakeholder analysis, systems mapping… It’s data modeling, it’s survey design.”

Armed with two master’s degrees, Sienna dove deep into IMM—impact management and measurement. She joined Social Value US to help professionalize the field with standards, surveys, and frameworks. 

Coalitions, Not Silos

“The left hand often doesn’t know what the right hand is doing. I see my role as making connections.”

Sienna flags a recurring problem: siloed thinking. Her strength lies in speaking both, creating coalitions where collaboration and systems alignment make real change possible.

Everyone Has a Piece of the Puzzle  

“Go find the people who are already doing the work—and support them. That’s where the results come from.”

You don’t have to start the movement; just roll up your sleeves and help those already in it. 

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From film sets to SaaS, Sienna Jackson has lived through more than one reinvention. A two-time founder, former entertainment executive, and current tech CEO, she joins Chief Change Officer to break down what it means to build, to create, and to change—on your own terms. 

In Part 1, she shares what it was really like working in the music and production trenches at the Weinstein Company, how she navigated a high-glamour industry with clear-eyed curiosity, and why she never let a job title define her. 

But it’s her unfiltered take on generative AI that steals the show. Sienna dismantles the hype, calling it what it is: regurgitated content dressed as intelligence. From energy waste to algorithmic bias, she unpacks the hidden cost of convenience—and why human storytelling still matters.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

From Red Carpets to Real Work

“All the Quinton Tarantino films, all the Oscar Batty films… Project Runway… I also worked on our internal music catalog… and it would just be usually me and Richard for most of that run.”

Curiosity > Career Ladder

“I thought I was going to be the rebel… I was doing things during the Arab Spring… I also reported on the honor killing of one of my classmates when I was 16.”

AI ≠ Creativity

“Some people will say AI-generated art is art. And I think that’s a misnomer… Art is an action. It’s something that you do. It reflects technical skill that you have to develop over time.”

The Hidden Cost of ‘Smart’

“There are human beings at the other end of the pipeline… being paid pennies on the hour to train chatbots… it uses up 10 to 30 times more energy.”

Garbage In, Garbage Out

“GenAI will reify or reinforce patterns… there’ve been significant issues with algorithmic bias on the axes of race… who gets an insurance policy or not.”

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Brian Sims, the CEO of Agenda PAC, walks us through what it was really like inside the halls of power—getting his mic cut on the House floor, confronting closeted anti-LGBTQ colleagues, and learning the limits of both strategy and ego. Now in the private sector, he’s using data to fight back—not with louder voices, but with smarter ones.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

When the Mic Goes Dead

“I got half a word out. Then it cut. They didn’t even pretend it was technical.”

No Friends Across the Aisle

“They all voted against us—100% of the time. Colleagues? Yes. Friends? Absolutely not.”

Losing the Big Fights

“I wrote the Equal Pay Act. I wrote the state’s Marriage Equality bill. Neither passed. And I had to learn: that’s not failure—it’s legacy work.”

Arrogance vs. Strategy

“I thought just being bold was the answer. It wasn’t.”

A New Way to Win

“Now I use data to expose the gap—between what voters want and how leaders behave.”

Fighting Dirty ≠ Fighting Back

“There’s a difference. And it matters. You can run into the fire without lighting yourself on fire.”

Change the Decision Makers, Not Just Their Minds

“Every single thing I’ve ever cared about gets better when more women, more people of color, and more LGBTQ people hold power.”

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From a military childhood to a college football captain, Brian Sims didn’t exactly grow up in activist circles. But a fiercely independent mother and a slow-burning coming-out story set the stage for something bigger. 

In Part One, Brian, the CEO of Agenda PAC, opens up about finding his voice, leaving law for civil rights work, and eventually winning his first election—becoming the first out gay man elected to Pennsylvania’s state legislature.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Raised by Leaders

“Both my parents were lieutenant colonels. I grew up on army bases, but my mom was always the only woman in uniform.”

Confidence Is Contagious

“She wasn’t arrogant. She just always knew who she was.”

Coming Out Through Brotherhood

“My football teammates asked if I was gay… and then wrapped me in the most awkward but beautiful kind of love.”

A Gay Job and a Day Job

“I had a law firm paycheck. But my soul work? LGBTQ civil rights.”

Why He Ran

“I couldn’t change their minds. So I ran to change the people holding the power.”

David vs. Goliath

“She’d been in office since I was three years old. I beat her by 233 votes.”

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In this final installment, Gen X executive coach Jennifer Selby Long goes deep on the real decision behind office politics: should you stay or should you go? 

Drawing from decades of experience guiding leaders through complex change, she lays out the subtle dynamics that determine whether a culture is salvageable—or just stuck. From the hidden toll of hybrid models to bosses who subtly push out high performers, Jennifer offers tools for cutting through confusion. And with a memorable framework inspired by civil rights leader Clarence Jones, she helps listeners evaluate not just what they want—but whether the system they’re in will ever let them have it. 

For Gen Xers caught in the gray area between loyalty and realism, this episode offers clarity with no illusions.

>>Why Toxic Cultures Repeat

“People leave a bad boss… only to land in a similar situation.”

Jennifer explains how unaddressed internal patterns can reappear in new jobs—and what to do before making another move.

>>Hybrid Work, Hidden Agendas

“If your team isn’t working together in person, politics won’t disappear—they’ll just change form.”

She discusses the tradeoffs of hybrid workplaces and how physical distance can mask, not eliminate, power struggles.

>>When the Best Performers Leave

“I’ve seen bosses quietly engineer ways to push out brilliant people.”

Jennifer and Vince unpack the dynamic where insecurity—not excellence—shapes who gets to stay.

>>Conflict is Not the Enemy

“Most people waste time fighting battles that could’ve been solved with a conversation.”

She breaks down how conflict-avoidance fuels politics—and why stepping back to understand styles and misalignment is essential.

>>Clarence Jones’ Test for Staying or Leaving

“You won’t prevail unless the powerful majority sees that what you want is in their interest.”

Jennifer shares hard-earned political wisdom: how to evaluate whether your values and goals can survive the system—or if it’s time to walk.

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In this third installment with Gen X executive coach Jennifer Selby Long, we zoom in on one of the messiest, most misunderstood realities of modern work: office politics. 

Jennifer breaks down why politics often stem less from individual egos and more from structural dysfunction, emotional disconnection, and leadership blind spots—especially in hybrid teams. She explains how outdated views of leadership, chronic misalignment, and even cost-cutting decisions like slashed T&E budgets can quietly poison team trust. But this isn’t just a takedown—Jennifer arms listeners with a real-world playbook to navigate power struggles without becoming part of the problem. 

For seasoned professionals tired of performative team building and empty culture talk, this episode reframes politics not as inevitable—but as solvable.

>>Politics ≠ Power-Hungry People

“The majority of leaders are not political animals.”

Jennifer challenges the stereotype that all office politics are about ego—revealing how misaligned strategy and trust gaps often create dysfunction.

>>Remote Work’s Invisible Cost

“You might not feel like getting on that plane… but complex decisions require in-person time.”

She explains how budget cuts, virtual distance, and hybrid habits are quietly damaging team cohesion.

>>Toxic by Design

“I’ve worked with clients who were pretty mercenary at first… but some became the most dedicated leaders.”

What happens when cold-blooded management isn’t an accident—but a strategy?

>>Five Moves to Navigate a Political Culture

“Stop venting. Start observing.”

Jennifer offers a practical five-step approach to surviving—and even reshaping—a political workplace, starting with curiosity, not complaints.

>>Why Some People Don’t Struggle with Politics at All

“There’s a portion of the population just wired to be unbothered by it.”

From temperament to neural wiring, she explains why some Gen Xers are naturally equipped to handle the drama without burnout.

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Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.

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Jennifer Selby Long is no stranger to messy transformations. With three decades of experience in executive coaching, digital change, and tech leadership, she helps seasoned professionals navigate the personal minefield that comes with professional change. 

In this second installment, Jennifer dives deep into neuroscience-backed insights on why we sabotage ourselves—and how to stop. She breaks down how our brains are wired for fear, how to spot the voice of the “judge,” and how misplaced loyalty to bad bosses or toxic companies keeps people stuck. But she doesn’t stop at analysis—she arms Gen Xers with tactical empathy, reframing techniques, and political savvy to make their next move smarter. 

Because in a world where everyone’s changing, the winners aren’t the loudest—they’re the most self-aware.

>>The Science of Self-Sabotage

“Those negative voices? They’re not you. They’re old neural pathways—and you don’t have to obey them.”

Jennifer explains how childhood-formed saboteurs derail adult decision-making—and what to do about it.

>>How Judgment Blocks Reinvention

“If you’re judging yourself or others, the judge neural network is in charge—and it’s contagious.”

Learn how to spot the “inner judge” sabotaging your growth and weaken its grip before it wrecks your next chapter.

>>Escape the Bad Boss Loop

“Most people don’t leave bad bosses—they recreate them.”

Jennifer outlines five traps professionals fall into when trying to escape toxic leadership—and how to break the cycle for good.

>>Office Politics Without Selling Your Soul

“You’re not imagining it—some power games are real. But empathy is your best defense.”

From defensive email habits to managing power dynamics with grace, Jennifer offers non-sleazy tactics for Gen X leaders navigating messy org charts.

>>Redefining What ‘Winning’ Looks Like

“Change that sticks often doesn’t look like the win you planned—but it’s the win you needed.”

A fresh lens on how to reframe wins, even if they come in smaller, slower, or stranger packages than you expected.

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Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.

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>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

Jennifer Selby Long has spent 30 years helping leaders navigate change—long before “change management” became a buzzword. 

In this episode, the Gen X executive coach reflects on how she stumbled into her calling during the early days of IT transformation, and why emotional intelligence—not just operational efficiency—is what drives successful digital change. Drawing from her own career pivots and coaching experiences, Jennifer explains how change must be mastered on a personal level before it can be led across an organization. 

For Gen Xers who’ve seen multiple waves of tech disruption and economic downturns, her story reminds us: experience isn’t old news—it’s the operating system for modern leadership.

>>The Accidental Change Manager

“I became an accidental change manager in the early 90s.”

Jennifer shares how a basic IT training request exposed a deeper problem—one that launched her decades-long journey into change leadership.

>>Coaching Tech Leaders Through the Chaos

“We help leaders win at change.”

From digital transformation to cybersecurity to user experience, Jennifer explains why leadership—not just management—is the biggest missing link in most change initiatives.

>>A Gen X Career Rooted in Both People and Process

“I kept trying to do stable things, but the change kept coming at me.”

She describes how she went from resisting change to becoming its strategic champion—shaped by trial, error, and real-world messiness.

>>The Power of Performance Psychology

“Coaches aren’t therapists. They’re here to help you win.”

Her earliest coaching experience came from a sports psychologist—and that mindset still guides how she supports high performers today.

>>Understanding the Natural Process of Personal Change

“There are three stages: endings, transition, and new beginnings.”

Jennifer walks us through Bill Bridges’ model of change—and how leaders often forget their teams are still at the beginning when they’ve already moved on.

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In Part 3, Waverly Deutsch steps into her latest role: founder of Wyseheart, a coaching firm designed to help the most overlooked founders build ventures that last. Focused on meaningful business, not unicorn exits, she brings her full career of coaching, teaching, and hard-won insight to early-stage leaders across age, gender, race, and identity. 

For Gen Xers who aren’t ready to “retire,” this is a playbook for doing your best work—on your terms, with your values, and no need for external approval.

>>What Retirement Really Means to Her

“Retirement means you no longer have to work to cover basic necessities… but you work because you want to.”

Waverly explains why Wiseheart was never about building a high-growth company, but creating space for meaningful work in the next chapter of life.

>>Who Wiseheart Is Really For

“I might have a session with you and turn you down as a client.”

She describes her ideal clients: early-stage founders with strong ideas and potential—but she’s selective, because she coaches from belief, not obligation.

>>Opening Access Where Systems Don’t

“I want to make myself available to people who don’t always have access to someone like me.”

Waverly shares how Wiseheart is designed to serve women, BIPOC, LGBTQ+, rural, and underestimated founders who often face systemic barriers.

>>LGBTQ+ Advocacy Through Data and Action

“You can ask: do you choose to publicly identify as an LGBTQ+ founder?”

She calls out the data gap and cultural risks still facing LGBTQ+ entrepreneurs—and how her work with StartOut aims to help change that.

>>Advising Older Entrepreneurs With Realism

“You may have to go back to the work that got you there.”

She offers grounded advice to Gen X and Baby Boomer entrepreneurs who face ageism and cost-cutting—and encourages them to translate wisdom into flexible, consulting-based careers.

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In Part 2, Waverly Deutsch opens up about her decades at Chicago Booth, where she helped founders refine not just their business models but their ability to lead. She discusses how emotional connection strengthens logic, why confident delivery isn’t enough, and how AI is changing but not replacing human insight. 

For Gen Xers mentoring across generations or rethinking their own leadership, this episode is a reminder: great guidance begins with deep listening.

>>Coaching Across the Confidence Spectrum

“Some people came in over-confident. Some barely made eye contact.”

She explains how coaching required tailoring—not templating—entrepreneurs’ thinking.

>>Why Love Belongs in Leadership

“If you can’t connect with your idea, why should anyone else?”

Waverly talks about the human element most founders overlook when presenting.

>>Building Trust Across Generations

“EMBAs bring wisdom. Undergrads bring fire.”

She shares the challenge—and joy—of coaching both seasoned execs and young dreamers.

>>Relearning Her Own Leadership

“Coaching taught me how much I still had to unlearn.”

She reflects on what working with thousands of students revealed about her own blind spots.

>>AI Is Here—Now What?

“AI can write your pitch. But can it build your conviction?”

She discusses how tech is changing communication—and why human trust still drives every great pitch.

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We meet Waverly Deutsch not as a Chicago Booth professor or coach for entrepreneurs, but as a real human navigating career decisions in a world that often asks us to pick between passion and practicality. 

From falling in love with theater to entering computer science as one of only three women in a class of 30, Waverly’s story is one of blending head and heart across every career twist. She shares the real story behind leaving academia for Forrester Research, breaking down in a meeting and still making her case, and learning how to navigate gut instinct and logic without losing either. 

For Gen Xers raised on rules, she shows what it means to rewrite your own—with emotional truth and strategic clarity.

>>Two Majors, One Mindset

“I ended up with two majors—one in theater and one in computer science.”

Waverly explains how her early passions—performance and programming—formed a lifelong blend of emotion and logic.

>>Early Outsider, Early Awareness

“There were three or four women in a class of 30.”

She shares what it was like being one of the only women in computer science, and how that shaped her views on identity and acceptance.

>>Teaching as a Lifelong Thread

“I knew that what I wanted to do was teach. That was truly my calling.”

From undergrad to her PhD in theater history, teaching remained her throughline—even as industries changed.

>>Forrester and the First Real Pivot

“I was employee number 27.”

She tells the story of joining Forrester Research during its startup phase, helping it scale through the internet boom, and falling in love with entrepreneurship.

>>The Crying Meeting

“George, I can cry and think at the same time.”

Waverly recounts the pivotal moment when she stopped hiding her emotions at work—and started integrating her whole self into how she leads.

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Dominic Carter, CEO of the Carter Group, shares how a personal frustration with his aging parents’ care became a long-term mission: building real, user-driven aging tech in one of the world’s oldest—and most demanding—markets. From human-centric research to venture studio development, Dominic shows how Gen Xers can lead the future of aging by solving the problems we’re all going to face. This isn’t just eldercare innovation—it’s preemptive, practical system design. 

For those over 50 building what comes next, this episode is a field guide to action rooted in empathy, not hype.

>>From Personal Wake-Up Call to Business Blueprint

“I wanted better options for my parents—and for myself one day.”

Dominic shares how watching his parents’ struggle with aging became the catalyst for a venture into real, human-first aging innovation.

>>Aging Tech Isn’t Just for the Elderly

“Aging begins at 50—and the opportunity starts there.”

He reframes aged tech not as a niche, but as a massive, underserved market hiding in plain sight.

>>Start with the User—or Don’t Start at All

“If you don’t listen, you’ll waste time, money, and trust.”

Dominic explains why most aging tech fails: founders fall in love with ideas, not problems—and skip the hard part: listening.

>>Culture Is More Than Geography

“The cultural gap between 55 and 75 is as wide as the one between Japan and the West.”

He unpacks why aging solutions must be co-designed with users—and adapted not just to national cultures, but age-based subcultures.

>>Building Credibility One Win at a Time

“Get the use case. Prove the value. Then scale.”

Dominic outlines his venture studio strategy—prioritizing two user-validated products (a friction-reducing linen set and a wearable tremor device) to establish proof before expansion.

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Dominic Carter, the CEO of the Carter Group, didn’t become an aging tech founder by chasing trends—he got there by building slowly, listening deeply, and surviving the kind of early burnout that forces reinvention. 

In Part 1, he shares how moving to Japan, launching businesses, and failing hard shaped the systems-thinking approach that now powers his work on aging innovation. This isn’t a startup story—it’s a Gen X blueprint: steady, lived, built from purpose long before it had a name.

>>Leaving, Burning Out, Coming Back

“I opened a Tokyo office at 24—and broke myself in the process.”

Dominic talks about how early success nearly ruined him, and why walking away was the start of everything good that followed.

>>A Life Rebuilt Through Listening

“Research made me better—not just at business, but at understanding people.”

He shares how market research and consulting sharpened his ability to listen deeply and solve real problems over time.

>>No Pivot. Just Evolution.

“Every business I built grew from the one before it.”

Dominic explains how his work in research, media, and software wasn’t a series of pivots—it was a slow, deliberate build toward relevance.

>>Staying in Japan by Choice

“I could’ve gone home—but Japan became the place I wanted to change from.”

He reflects on the emotional pull of Japan and how the country’s demographic trajectory mirrored something deeper he was starting to feel.

>>When Profit Isn’t the Point

“I’ve never been obsessed with money. I’ve been obsessed with meaning.”

Dominic explains why mission-aligned work—not exits—has always been his driver, even if it meant a longer, less glamorous path.

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This episode offers you $79 worth of value—completely free. Read till the end for the gift.

In Part 2, Kevin introduces the core ideas behind his latest book, Flexible Leadership. He explains why leading isn’t about finding the perfect style—it’s about flexing based on the situation without abandoning your principles. We break down how intention, context, and flexors all work together, why rigid leadership labels backfire, and why the best leaders never stop adjusting how they show up.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Why Human Nature Hasn’t Changed

“The tools have changed. People haven’t.”

Start with Intention

“Flexibility doesn’t mean random. It means choosing your leadership moves on purpose.”

Context Is Everything

“If you don’t read the situation right, no style will save you.”

Flexors, Not Labels

“You’re not just a ‘visionary’ or a ‘coach.’ Labels can help, but they can also trap.”

Compliance vs. Commitment

“Sometimes you need quick compliance. Sometimes you need lasting commitment. Know what you’re asking for.”

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Kevin Eikenberry didn’t start in a leadership lab—he started on a farm where animals had to be fed no matter what else was happening. In Part 1, he shares how early lessons in discipline and systems thinking carried into his leadership work decades later. From his unexpected pivot from fertilizer sales to corporate training, to founding the Kevin Eikenberry Group, Kevin talks about the mistakes, pivots, and realities that shaped his approach to helping others lead better.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Feeding Hogs, Learning Discipline

“No matter what else was happening, you had to feed the animals. Non-negotiable.”

From Agriculture to Human Systems

“I studied mechanical and biological systems. Now I work with human ones.”

An Accidental Pivot into Training

“I volunteered once at Chevron—and ended up reshaping my whole career.”

The Easy Exit, the Harder Lesson

“Leaving with projects lined up made it easier—but delayed learning how to market myself.”

Keeping the Business Alive

“You can’t just be good at the work. You have to keep finding the next work.”

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In Part 2 of his conversation, Tokyo-based American Gary Bremermann moves beyond his own story to share the frameworks and realities that shape career reinvention today. From his Seven Steps to Career Clarity to his candid views on Japan’s ageist hiring market, Gary offers a Gen X blueprint for change: slow, thoughtful, grounded in values, and fiercely human. For anyone tired of chasing titles and ready to build a career worth living on their own terms, this episode delivers both the hard truths and the hope.

>>Coaching the Opportunity Seekers

“Mid-career professionals weren’t asking what they wanted—they were asking what was available.”

Gary explains why so many talented people get trapped following default paths—and how coaching helps them reconnect with what they actually want.

>>Your Story Is the Starting Point

“Your past holds the clues to your future—you just have to read it differently.”

He breaks down why career clarity begins with mining your real life for patterns, strengths, and missed signals.

>>Values Before Vision

“Forget the mission statement—start with your values.”

Gary shares why starting with personal values, not corporate buzzwords, is the foundation for sustainable career growth.

>>Practical Dreaming

“One dream job without limits. One dream job grounded in reality.”

He explains how a two-track dream job exercise helps people balance ambition with achievable moves.

>>Japan’s Aging Workforce and Recruiting Reality

“The labor pool is shrinking, but the hiring practices haven’t caught up.”

Gary shares firsthand insights on ageism, cultural resistance to change, and why Japan remains one of the hardest recruiting markets in the world.

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Tokyo-based American Gary Bremermann didn’t stumble into career clarity—he fought for it across countries, careers, and crises. From hitchhiking North America to building and burning out of his first company, Gary’s story is a blueprint for real Gen X reinvention: practical, nonlinear, and painfully honest. 

In this first of a two-part series, he shares how early travel, entrepreneurial scars, and the brutal experience of misaligned success shaped the recruiter and career coach he is today. For Gen Xers still figuring out their next chapter—or building a life while surviving their own rough drafts—this episode offers both grit and grounded hope.

>>The National Geographic Kid

“I grew up with every issue ever printed—and a mind wired to explore.”

Gary shares how childhood dreams of travel sparked a lifelong hunger for exploration, curiosity, and career experimentation.

>>Hitchhiking Lessons You Don’t Learn in Business School

“I learned how to talk to anyone, anywhere, about anything.”

Gary reflects on how crossing the U.S. and Canada on foot and rail taught him real-world communication skills he still uses as a recruiter and coach.

>>Dropping Out—Twice

“School couldn’t hold me—but neither could drifting forever.”

He talks about his struggles with traditional education, dropping out, traveling the world, and ultimately rebuilding himself on his own terms.

>>Entrepreneurial Burnout: The Hidden Cost of Chasing Money

“I was expanding globally—and being crushed by my own business.”

Gary shares how chasing financial success without personal alignment almost destroyed him—and why selling his first company saved his life.

>>Finding Freedom on Different Terms

“Money isn’t the goal. Alignment is.”

After exiting his business and hiring a life-changing coach, Gary explains how he reframed financial success as a byproduct of purpose, not the point.

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In the second half of his conversation, Collin Plume moves beyond financial products into financial legacy—sharing how Gen Xers can teach resilience, ownership, and critical thinking to the next generation. From diversifying income streams to protecting family futures with real assets, Collin reveals why wealth isn’t about a flashy portfolio—it’s about building something that lasts, even when systems shift. 

For Gen Xers tired of flashy advice and ready to raise wiser, stronger humans, this episode delivers the quiet tools for lifelong financial independence.

>>Inflation, Instability, and the Fight for Financial Control

“Gold has kept up with the cost of living for over 150 years.”

Collin explains why owning tangible assets isn’t just smart investing—it’s a fight for personal freedom and future-proofing your life against system shocks.

>>Diversification Isn’t Optional Anymore

“The mistake isn’t just losing—it’s being stuck in one idea forever.”

He shares why today’s market demands diversified thinking, constant learning, and rejecting loyalty to any one asset class—including real estate.

>>Retirement Will Never Look the Same

“People aren’t retiring—they’re reworking life.”

Collin talks about the shifting realities of work, aging, and how side gigs, flexible income, and purpose-driven work are rewriting retirement for Gen X and beyond.

>>The Rise—and Risk—of Finfluencers

“Algorithms reward appeal, not expertise.”

He calls out the dangers of taking financial advice from unverified influencers, and why critical thinking is the real currency in today’s information economy.

>>Teaching Kids the Real Value of Money

“Experience and education over stuff.”

Collin shares how he’s raising his three kids to value assets over toys, experiences over things, and knowledge over hype—with gold and silver as real-world teaching tools.

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Collin Plume didn’t build Noble Gold to chase hype—he built it to restore trust in a system Gen X knows can break. 

In this first of a two-part series, Collin shares how early lessons from insurance sales, real estate, and recession-era survival shaped his people-first approach to wealth building. He explains why real assets like gold and silver aren’t just investments—they’re anchors of ownership in a world increasingly built on debt and paper. 

For Gen Xers who value resilience over rhetoric, and control over hype, this episode delivers the human side of financial security.

>>Learning the Hard Way

“Customer service wasn’t a department—it was survival.”

Collin reflects on early lessons selling insurance and real estate, where trust and loyalty mattered more than shiny marketing.

>>Why People Stay—and Why They Leave

“Employees don’t stay because of ping-pong tables. They stay because they’re seen.”

He shares how mentorship and genuine relationship-building shaped his leadership style at Noble Gold.

>>Selling Without the Sleaze

“I don’t care what you’re selling—if you don’t care about people, you lose.”

Collin talks about why prioritizing people over products isn’t soft—it’s the only strategy that survives downturns.

>>Precious Metals: The Ownership Play

“When everything else feels intangible, gold and silver are still yours.”

He explains why real assets like precious metals offer Gen Xers a hedge—not just against inflation, but against an unstable system.

>>Family, Fear, and Financial Freedom

“You’re not just buying an asset—you’re buying options.”

Collin connects gold ownership to a deeper human need: protecting family, future, and dignity through real, controllable wealth.

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In Part 2 of her conversation, Nina Sossamon-Pogue moves from storytelling to strategy—offering real-world tools for navigating change, resilience, and reinvention. From building a reverse resume to mapping your own success timeline, she shares frameworks that help Gen Xers (and anyone feeling stuck) turn lived experience into a launchpad. 

Instead of chasing corporate validation or viral moments, Nina reminds us that real success is slow-built, self-defined, and deeply human. For those designing their next chapter, this episode offers not just hope—but a real blueprint for building forward.

>>Your Reverse Resume: What You’ve Survived Matters

“It’s not just what you’ve achieved—it’s what you’ve overcome.”

Nina introduces the concept of the reverse resume, helping people recognize the hidden strengths built through life’s hardest chapters.

>>You Are Not Your LinkedIn Headline

“We are so much more than our last job title.”

She challenges the conventional resume model, urging listeners to view their lives as full stories—not highlight reels.

>>Resilience = Adaptation, Not Just Persistence

“Grit keeps you going. Resilience changes you.”

Nina explains why true resilience requires positive adaptation, not just stubborn endurance.

>>The Successful Timeline: Redefining What Really Counts

“A career milestone isn’t the same as a life well-lived.”

She shares how mapping your life as a timeline of both triumphs and setbacks can reframe your sense of success.

>>The Lego Mindset

“We each have a unique set of building blocks. The masterpiece is yours to create.”

Using a brilliant Lego analogy, Nina shows how your skills, experiences, and choices can assemble into something no one else can replicate.

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Nina Sossamon-Pogue didn’t build a personal brand around change—she built a life out of it. 

In this first of a two-part series, she shares how elite gymnastics hardwired her resilience, how journalism sharpened her communication instincts, and how a strategic leap into tech proved that reinvention is less about following trends—and more about knowing who you are at the core. 

For Gen Xers who’ve quietly navigated identity loss, layoffs, industry shifts, and market crashes, Nina’s story is a masterclass in evolving without losing yourself.

>>From Falling Down to Rising Up

“Gymnastics taught me resilience before I even knew the word.”

Nina explains how falling and failing hundreds of times a week built the muscle memory for lifelong adaptability.

>>Losing an Identity, Finding a New One

“I had to figure out who I was without gymnastics.”

She shares the emotional collapse and slow rebuilding that came after losing her first major identity—and how it shaped every future chapter.

>>From Laundromats to Live TV

“One walk through a TV station—and I knew this was it.”

Nina recounts the random campus job that led her from washing football uniforms to anchoring live television for 17 years.

>>Laid Off at the Top

“Voted favorite news anchor—and still shown the door.”

She talks about navigating a devastating layoff that blindsided her mid-career—and the recalibration it forced.

>>Jumping to Tech Before Tech Was Cool

“I didn’t know what SaaS was—but I knew where the world was going.”

Nina shares how she mapped her next career move by combining self-awareness, external advice, and market trends—long before career pivots were branded movements.
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In Part 2 of her conversation, Erica Sosna bridges personal resilience and professional wisdom—sharing how The Career Equation helps both individuals and organizations build careers that actually fit. Instead of offering empty advice, Erica gives a practical, human-centered model that empowers people to align their skills, passions, impact, and environment into a sustainable career path. 

For Gen Xers tired of ad-hoc career advice and vague empowerment slogans, this episode offers a grounded, actionable framework to take back control—whether you’re rebuilding, pivoting, or designing your next decade.

>>Turning Recovery Into Renewal

“I used the same frameworks I teach—because they work when life gets real.”

Erica reflects on how personal recovery deepened her belief that career design must be rooted in human needs, not corporate scripts.

>>The Power of Acceptance

“Accept it as if you chose it.”

She shares the life philosophy that fueled her healing—and how it applies to navigating career setbacks, redundancies, and reinventions.

>>Start With the End in Mind

“What do you want to experience—not just achieve?”

Erica explains how vivid future visioning, tied to emotion not status, creates a powerful magnet for sustainable action and career progress.

>>The Career Equation, Demystified

“Skills + Passion + Impact ÷ Environment = Career Sweet Spot.”

She walks through the four critical elements employers and individuals need to align for lasting engagement, growth, and loyalty.

>>Career Conversations That Actually Work

“You wouldn’t run 10 accounting systems. Why have 10 ways to talk about careers?”

Erica shares why companies like Amazon and Nomura are adopting The Career Equation to bring structure, simplicity, and human connection back into career development.

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>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

Erica Sosna was already a respected career strategist, author of The Career Equation, and founder of a successful consultancy. But when a near-fatal accident left her paralyzed in 2022, everything changed. 

In this first of a two-part series, Erica shares how she rebuilt her life—and her career—on new terms. From learning to walk again to rethinking the purpose of work itself, she offers a blueprint for reinvention that doesn’t rely on hype or hashtags. 

For Gen Xers who know real change isn’t a pivot—it’s a practice—this episode delivers both grit and guidance.

>>The Moment Everything Changed

“One minute I was driving. The next, I was under a car, paralyzed from the waist down.”

Erica recounts the life-altering accident that fractured 15 bones—and forced her into a physical and emotional rebuild.

>>The Career Equation: Born from Personal Experiment

“I had to use my own frameworks to get unstuck.”

She shares how the same career model she teaches—the Career Equation—became her personal blueprint for choosing how to work, live, and heal after trauma.

>>Reinvention Isn’t Always Glamorous

“Returning to work was like returning to solid ground.”

Erica explains why work—done right—became a pillar of stability, not just a paycheck, during the chaos of recovery.

>>Three Days, Full Impact

“I rebuilt my business on a three-day workweek.”

Balancing parenting, rehabilitation, and entrepreneurship, Erica redesigned her career around what mattered most—without apology.

>>Podcasting as Healing, Not Hustle

“The podcast wasn’t a brand move. It was a way to reconnect with my purpose.”

Launching her show was less about expansion—and more about returning to her original mission: helping others design lives worth living.

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In Part 2, Adaira shares how she and Resa shaped Micro Skills into a fast-impact, high-utility guide for early career professionals—and why it intentionally skips fluff in favor of action. She opens up about saying yes too often, burning out from “non-potable work,” and how she finally embraced what she calls JOMO—the joy of missing out. We also hear how they trimmed the book’s original title (“Chisel”) and why ambition without discernment leads to a flat career, not a rising one.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

How the Title Came to Be

“We almost called the book Chisel—but MicroSkills came from a medical lecture I never forgot.”

The Real Goal

“We wanted people to finish the book Friday and be better at work Monday. No degrees, no fluff.”

The Myth of Saying Yes

“I believed the mantra: say yes to everything. I ended up burned out, doing too much that didn’t scale.”

From FOMO to JOMO

“The joy of missing out means you choose what matters. You don’t chase everything.”

Horizontal vs. Vertical Growth

“I wasn’t climbing—I was just adding. A real career needs strategy, not just more.”

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Dr. Adaira Landry grew up in an under-resourced city, entered Berkeley at 16, and faced early career confusion without access to mentors or professional networks. 

In Part 1, she shares the formative life moments that led her into emergency medicine—from stepping in to help save a man’s life on campus to surviving a painful burn injury alone. She also reflects on how mentorship found her late, how her master’s in education shaped her communication style, and why she chose to build a practical, inclusive language around career growth in MicroSkills.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

The First Time It Got Real

“He collapsed outside my classroom. I had no medical training, but I stepped in—and that changed everything.”

Burned and Alone

“I lay on the floor in pain for hours. No phone. No help. That moment never left me.”

Why Mentorship Felt Foreign

“My parents never used the word mentor. It wasn’t part of our world. I had to figure it out late.”

Building Her Own Playbook

“I didn’t know how to navigate the system. Once I learned, I wanted to help others do it faster.”

Education by Design

“I didn’t want to be the kind of teacher who talks to themselves at the front of the room.”

How Micro Skills Got Its Name

“We wanted to go deep on the small things—those overlooked moments that make the biggest difference.”

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>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

In Part 2, Resa explains why she and Adaira started their book MicroSkills with the most overlooked chapter: self-care. From emotional and civic health to better rest and boundaries, she unpacks how showing up well starts before you speak. She also shares practical tools for navigating hard moments—like having a failure buddy—and reveals why thoughtful email etiquette isn’t just about manners, but about professional respect. 

This episode is about what sustains you—before, during, and after the work.  Micro skills begin with you.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Why Micro Skills Start with Self

“We opened the book with self-care—because everything else depends on it.” 

Physical, civic, emotional, and financial health are non-negotiables.

Support Isn’t Optional

“Have a failure buddy. Or a personal board of directors. Someone you can call when things go wrong.”

What Real Rest Looks Like

“Rest isn’t just sleep. It’s knowing what recharges you. And choosing to protect it.”

Respect Through Email

“BCC isn’t a trick—it’s about being thoughtful.” 

Communication is a reflection of how much you value someone’s time and dignity.

Small Language, Big Impact

“Even experienced professionals said, ‘I didn’t think I’d learn anything from a book on communication—but I did.’” 

Thoughtful communication isn’t about polish. It’s about presence.

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>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

In Part 1, Dr. Resa Lewiss shares how growing up in Rhode Island, challenging gendered assumptions at home, and studying the liberal arts all shaped her path to medicine. She opens up about the moment emergency medicine clicked for her, and how her love for procedures and working with her hands helped her find her place in a specialty that sees everything, all at once.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Why She Chose Medicine

“It was always in me. Nobody in my family was a doctor, but medicine was the path.”

Breaking Gender Roles Early

“When my dad asked the girls to clear the table, I said, ‘Why not the boys?’ I wanted to take out the garbage.”

When Emergency Medicine Clicked

“I did a rotation and thought—where have I been? This is what I was looking for.”

Studying Outside the Sciences

“Literature, religion, sociology—those made me a better doctor. They helped me understand my patients.”

Teaching Ultrasound Globally

“I practiced and prepared so I could show up and teach people in different parts of the world—nurses, midwives, physicians.”

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In the second half of their conversation, Edward J. van Luinen, Ed.D. and Tricia Cerrone reveal the system behind their decade-long collaboration—and the framework that became their book, Collaborate to Compete.

But this isn’t just theory. It’s a Gen X playbook for how to lead, design, and scale collaboration that actually sticks. Grounded in five core behaviors—generosity, resourcefulness, co-creation, action, and gratitude—and powered by a noble purpose, their method flips the script on outdated workplace thinking. 

For Gen Xers who’ve quietly led with trust and integrity, this episode validates everything you’ve practiced—and gives you the language to teach it forward.

>>Start With Self, Scale With Systems

“Collaboration isn’t a team sport—it’s an individual practice.”

They explain why collaboration isn’t about tech or tools, but behaviors—and why it must be designed into people first, not platforms.

>>Five Behaviors, One Noble Purpose

“Generosity. Resourcefulness. Co-creation. Action. Gratitude.”

Edward and Tricia walk through the five behavioral anchors of collaboration—and why the ‘how’ must come before the ‘what.’

>>Why the Old Workplace Models Are Failing

“We’re still running on 1900s bonus structures—and wondering why collaboration breaks down.”

They unpack how outdated incentive systems kill trust and team performance—and how leaders can redesign for shared wins.

>>The Disney Story That Brought It Home

“I watched a father put his arm around his son—and almost cried.”

Tricia shares the moment that reminded her why collaboration must be human-centered—because when it’s done right, it doesn’t just produce results. It heals.

>>From High Concept to DIY

“Take the five behaviors and run a self-check. Which ones are you already living?”

They offer tangible steps for leaders, founders, and managers to assess and apply collaborative behaviors today—without waiting for a reorg.

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Edward J. van Luinen, Ed.D. and Tricia Cerrone didn’t build a personal brand around collaboration—they lived one. 

In this first of a two-part series, they reflect on the working relationship that began at Disney and slowly evolved into a business, a book, and a model for how Gen X builds enduring trust. 

Forget quick team-building hacks and shallow LinkedIn takes—this is collaboration done the Gen X way: built slowly, refined over time, and grounded in shared values. 

If you’re tired of performative partnerships and want to know what staying power really looks like, this is your episode.

>>The Relationship That Didn’t Expire

“Most work relationships fade. This one evolved.”

Edward and Tricia share how a three-year collaboration at Disney grew into a decade of trust, business, and a co-authored book on leadership.

>>No Hierarchy, No Ego

“We weren’t assigned roles—we built the rules together.”

They reflect on leading a global initiative without clear power dynamics, and how mutual respect became the real structure.

>>The First Coffee Was the Turning Point

“That coffee wasn’t about a project—it was about character.”

Tricia recalls how her initial skepticism melted when Edward showed up with presence, empathy, and zero pretense.

>>Why It Worked: Five Behaviors, One Blueprint

“We didn’t write the book first—we lived it.”

They walk through five consistent behaviors—generosity, gratitude, grace, curiosity, and accountability—that made their team the one others wanted to be on.

>>Tech Can’t Fake Trust

“You can’t app your way into a good relationship.”

Edward and Tricia challenge today’s obsession with productivity tools, arguing that collaboration starts with who you are—not what you use.

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John Gates has been on the inside of more salary negotiations than most of us will see in a lifetime—over 75,000 offers across industries and levels. From a scrappy upbringing in Oregon to global recruiting roles at Capital One and beyond, John learned how the game works. And now, he’s helping jobseekers stop lowballing themselves and start playing smarter. 

In this episode, he debunks the biggest salary myths, shares the scripts that work, and explains why salary negotiation starts long before the offer lands. For Gen Xers navigating job transitions or prepping for the next big move, this episode is both a wake-up call and a negotiation playbook.

>>From Pizza Delivery to Pay Negotiation Powerhouse

“I worked 30 hours a week at Domino’s and crammed two degrees into two and a half years.”

John shares how a scrappy start built the systems thinking and urgency that now powers his work with jobseekers and executives alike.

>>Recruiter, Interrupted

“I was laid off before my first job even started.”

He reflects on the early career shock that forced him into recruiting by accident—and the surprising skills he found along the way.

>>The Capital One Lightbulb Moment

“I got the offer, the bonus, the relocation bump—and still felt I’d left money on the table.”

That one regret launched his obsession: learning how recruiters really build offers and how much most candidates are missing out on.

>>The Salary Lies That Get Recycled on LinkedIn

“Know your worth and demand it? That’s how you get ghosted.”

John unpacks the worst advice online and explains why collaboration—not confrontation—is the smarter way to negotiate.

>>When to Talk Money (and What to Say)

“Most people wait until the offer. By then, it’s too late for the Mercedes—you’re getting the Beetle.”

He reveals the step-by-step strategy that builds leverage from the first click, not the final call.

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80+ Countries Reached Daily.
Global Top 1.5% Podcast.
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>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

Jason Bloomfield didn’t learn change in an MBA program—he learned it through real life. 

As a teenager, he became the de facto head of household. Now, as Global Head of People Change and Experience Design at Ericsson, he leads transformation across 180 countries. In this episode, Jason shares how active listening, design thinking, and human-first systems have helped him move organizations from dysfunction to alignment. From M&A integrations to HR tech failures, from -83 NPS scores to user-designed wins, his work proves one thing: change only sticks when it’s built with—not for—the people it’s meant to serve. 

For Gen Xers who’ve lived through chaos and are now leading through it, this episode is a blueprint in action.

>>From Family Collapse to First Acquisition

“I was the only one with income. So I had to figure it out.”

Jason opens up about his early years, navigating a broken home while building stability from scratch—and how that experience shaped his instincts in business.

>>Career by Constraint

“They asked if I’d move to 1 Madison Avenue. I said yes—and just kept saying yes.”

From wiring cables to managing a global acquisition across 13 countries, Jason shares how constraints—and curiosity—turned into growth and global opportunity.

>>Change Starts with Listening

“Active listening sends a signal: you care.”

Jason breaks down why empathy is not a soft skill—it’s the hardest one. Especially when leading transformation across 100,000 employees and 180 countries.

>>Turning a -83 NPS into a Shared Win

“The tool was hated. But people started feeling heard.”

He recounts how a globally despised HR tool became usable—through co-creation, honesty, and building feedback loops that actually changed things.

>>From Paper to Trust

“They didn’t hate digital. They didn’t trust institutions.”

Jason explains how assumptions kill adoption—and how design thinking and diverse input helped his teams shift deeply entrenched behaviors.

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In the second half of her conversation, Erika Ayers Badan—CEO of Food52, former CEO of Barstool Sports, board leader, media powerhouse, and author of _No One Cares About Your Career_—lets us behind the curtain. 

From negotiating screen time as a kid to rewriting the rules as a high-profile executive, she reflects on how grit, autonomy, and unfiltered curiosity shaped everything—from her parenting to her management style. She shares why she no longer chases titles, what failure really teaches us, and why today’s “toxic culture” talk often needs more clarity than cancellation. 

For Gen Xers raising kids, leading teams, or just trying to keep their values intact in a noisy world, this episode is the deep breath you didn’t know you needed.

>>The Original Streaming Negotiation

“My brother and I shared one hour of TV a week. That’s how I learned to negotiate.”

Erika reflects on the creative, disciplined upbringing that shaped her independence—and how it made her a better leader, dealmaker, and parent.

>>Titles Are Overrated. Impact Isn’t.

“I cared about titles in my 20s. Now I care about purview.”

She explains why chasing titles is a trap—and why real career growth is measured in responsibility, resilience, and reach.

>>Fail Always Mode

“If you feel like you’re failing, it means you care—and you’re trying something new.”

Erika breaks down why failure isn’t just tolerable—it’s necessary. And why she rewards effort over perfection every time.

>>Culture > Buzzwords

“I’m allergic to gossip, inertia, and pontificating.”

From toxic culture to real collaboration, Erika shares her no-BS filter for building teams that do the work and actually like doing it.

>>Gen Alpha, Gen X, and the Parenting Gap

“I worry their advantages are actually disadvantages.”

She gets honest about parenting kids in a hyper-stimulated world—and why she’s racing the clock to instill resilience before the clay hardens.

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Erika Ayers Badan isn’t here to polish the truth—she’s here to say it louder. 

In this first of a two-part series, the current CEO of Food52 and former CEO of Barstool Sports breaks down the raw realities behind her debut book, No One Cares About Your Career. From writing on commuter trains to fielding hundreds of workplace questions a week, Erika shares why her advice hits different—because it’s honest, hard-earned, and hyper-relevant for a Gen X audience still rewriting the rulebook. 

This isn’t a pep talk. It’s a reset.

>>The Title That Says It All

“It’s not just a title—it’s the truth.”

Erika reveals how No One Cares About Your Career went from a casual comment to the book’s heartbeat—and why it resonates across industries, generations, and inboxes.

>>When Creativity Gets Crushed

“I went from running wild to daily reforecasts and regulatory meetings.”

She opens up about the moment corporate structure smothered her spark—and how writing a book on the train became a lifeline back to creative energy.

>>The Mid-Chapter Career Book

“This isn’t for the lost or the legends. It’s for the people in the messy middle.”

Erika explains who the book is for—and why it’s not another glossy manifesto or three-step self-help trick.

>>The Five Things That Actually Matter at Work

“Who you are. What you offer. How you show up. What you do with your time. And how much you care.”

Forget the buzzwords. Erika distills 25 years of media, tech, and executive leadership into five brutally simple career rules.

>>Mentoring at Scale

“I get 200 questions a week—and I try to answer every one.”

She shares how social media became her advice desk, what Gen Z is most worried about, and why transparency—not perfection—is the new leadership currency.

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Mark Bayer spent 20 years in the U.S. Congress shaping major policies and managing high-stakes communication for senior lawmakers. 

In Part Two, Mark gets practical—breaking down the actual tools and mindset shifts PhDs need to thrive in the private sector. From his 11 Keys to Translating Complexity (complexitymadeclear.com) to why metaphors matter more than models, he shows how scientists can go from overlooked to unforgettable. Plus, what AI can’t do—and why your human voice still matters more than ever.

This one’s for anyone who’s been told their skills are “too academic.” Turns out, they’re your superpower—if you know how to use them.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

The “11 Keys” Framework

“Shakespeare said, brevity is the soul of wit. But it’s also the start of strategy.”

Wake Words and Brain Wiring

“Our brains tune into the unexpected. Use that to your advantage.”

Crossing Cultures & Languages

“Being bilingual helps you distill ideas—and respect your audience’s world.”

The Real Meaning of Connection

“You have to connect before you communicate. That’s not soft—it’s strategy.”

AI Can’t Replicate Your Voice

“AI pulls from old ideas. Your job is to bring something new, human, and surprising.”

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>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

Mark Bayer spent 20 years in the U.S. Congress shaping major policies and managing high-stakes communication for senior lawmakers. 

In Part One, he reflects on what those years taught him about messaging, persuasion, and why most PhDs—despite their brilliance—struggle to translate their value. From Capitol Hill to Harvard Medical School, Mark now helps scientists and researchers communicate like insiders.

This episode is a masterclass in what PhDs get wrong—and what they already have right.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

The First “R&D” Mix-up

“I thought they were talking about research and development. But it was Republicans and Democrats.”

The 8% Problem

“Only 8% of PhDs stay in academia. But nearly all are trained as if that’s the only path.”

Misunderstood Advantage

“PhDs are analytical, resilient, focused—yet many don’t see those as selling points.”

Beauty vs. Relevance

“Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Importance is in the eye of the stakeholders.”

Your Message Has 10 Seconds

“Lead with the punchline. Or your audience will drift.”

Why Communication ≠ Dumping Data

“Scientists want to show everything they know. But that’s not the job. The job is to answer the question.”

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>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

From facing seven years in prison at 17 to leading soldiers in Afghanistan, Jevon Wooden’s story is more than a redemption arc—it’s about owning your power the moment you realize you’ve still got one.

In Part 1, Jevon, the author of "Functional to Phenomenal" and "Own Your Kingdom", opens up about growing up in one of America’s poorest cities, learning to survive, and ultimately discovering his worth had nothing to do with money.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Veterans Day, Forever Changed

“I watched six people die. A year later, my daughter was born on the same day.” 

When trauma and hope collide.

From Pain to Purpose

“That red flash in my nightmares? It stopped the day I forgave my father.” 

The invisible work behind healing.

Coaching the “A-hole Executive”

“He said, ‘I care—I just don’t know how to show it.’” 

Helping leaders reconnect with their team, and themselves.

Empathy ≠ Weakness

“It’s not about being soft—it’s about being smart.” 

Why emotional intelligence is the hardest and most essential leadership skill.

Watch Your Patterns

“Triggers tell the truth. Learn what sets you off—before it costs your team.” 

The self-awareness most leaders skip.

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>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

From facing seven years in prison at 17 to leading soldiers in Afghanistan, Jevon Wooden’s story is more than a redemption arc—it’s about owning your power the moment you realize you’ve still got one.

In Part 1, Jevon, the author of "Functional to Phenomenal" and "Own Your Kingdom", opens up about growing up in one of America’s poorest cities, learning to survive, and ultimately discovering his worth had nothing to do with money.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

The Wrong Crowd, the Right Wake-Up Call

“I wasn’t guilty that night, but I was heading there fast.” 

How one arrest changed everything.

A Mother’s Sacrifice

“She offered to put up her house to get me a lawyer.” 

The first lesson in love, empathy, and accountability.

From Janitor to Army Leader

“I worked two full-time jobs before choosing the military.” 

Why service gave him more than stability—it gave him purpose.

Not Just Discipline, But Discovery

“In the Army, I learned I was a leader—and I didn’t need rank to prove it.”

The Value Shift

“I realized value isn’t what you wear—it’s what you give.” 

How he redefined self-worth from the ground up.

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>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

In Part 3 of this series, narrative strategist Chris Hare leaves us with a gift: the tools to take control of our own stories. 

Whether it’s envisioning your future in a quiet theater, asking loved ones for feedback through a meaningful 360, or identifying the patterns that shaped your past, Chris’s methods are built for reflection and action. This isn’t productivity advice or LinkedIn bait—it’s practical wisdom for designing a story you can live with. 

For Gen Xers rethinking legacy, reinvention, and what success actually looks like, this episode is a toolkit with a soul.

>>The Movie Theater Exercise

“What would your life movie look like if it played tomorrow in an empty theater?”

Chris walks us through a powerful future-visioning tool: a quiet, internal exercise that helps you feel the trajectory of your life—and decide if it’s headed where you want.

>>The Real 360

“Ask people who love you: what’s my superpower?”

Chris explains how to gather stories and values from people who know you best—not for a performance review, but for a pattern breakthrough.

>>How One Story Sparked a LinkedIn Flood

“A fighter pilot shared his lowest moment. Hundreds told him who he really was.”

Chris shares how a client’s vulnerable storytelling post turned into a cascade of unseen feedback—proving that the stories we live often matter more than we realize.

>>Inputs, Not Absolutes

“Be careful—feedback reflects the version of you people saw, not who you’re becoming.”

Chris and Vince dig into the risks of misaligned input, and why choosing a diverse, thoughtful, and intentional group for feedback is everything.

>>Why Machines Can’t Replace Meaning

“If AI read our transcript, it’d miss the one moment that mattered.”

Chris explains why storytelling—and coaching—can’t be fully automated. Because the spark is often in the tone, the pause, the shift. And only humans catch that.

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In Part 2 of his three-part series, narrative strategist Chris Hare shares the stories he used to survive. 

From a near-suicidal season while working at Amazon to a healing moment years later in a record store, this episode unpacks how internal stories—if left unchecked—can become prisons. But when named, challenged, and re-authored, they can also become paths to freedom. 

For Gen Xers who’ve spent decades carrying stories they didn’t choose, this is a masterclass in taking your story back—and choosing what to build next.

>>When the Narrative Turns Against You

“I repeated ‘I’m stuck’ like a mantra—for hours, every week.”

Chris reveals how one toxic narrative nearly ended his life, and how a shift in story—triggered by a tragic moment—gave him just enough room to survive.

>>From Mental Health Crisis to Narrative Recovery

“I believed I was going to die. That became my story.”

He shares his journey through depression, chronic pain, and burnout—and the slow, uncomfortable work of rewriting that internal tape.

>>The Most Powerful Story He Ever Felt

“It started with my boss’s tattoo and ended with Eddie Vedder hugging me in a record store.”

Chris tells the full-circle story of how a Pearl Jam song became the turning point in his healing—and why storytelling doesn’t just change businesses, it changes people.

>>Storytelling Is a Risk—and a Return

“Most of us tell curated stories. The raw ones? That’s where the power is.”

He makes a case for telling the stories that aren’t polished. Because those are the stories that truly shift our futures—and invite others to shift with us.

>>From Blame to Responsibility

“I had to stop blaming everyone else for my unhappiness.”

Chris opens up about how his marriage nearly ended, and how rewriting his personal narrative—through new inputs and radical honesty—brought him back.

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In Part 1 of this three-part series, Chris Hare shares how a single founder story sparked a strategy pivot inside Amazon—and why storytelling isn’t fluff, it’s infrastructure. 

As a behind-the-scenes strategist for some of tech’s biggest companies, Chris has spent decades shaping narratives that align people, purpose, and performance. But his real power lies in his Gen X sensibility: low drama, high pattern recognition, and deep alignment between what’s said and what’s done. This episode explores how narrative becomes strategy—and why the most powerful shifts often start quietly, from the edges.

>>From Ad World to Strategic Narrative

“I started in marketing, but I got tired of talking at people.”

Chris shares how his path from advertising to Amazon and Microsoft led him to discover a deeper kind of storytelling—one that doesn’t sell, but aligns and activates.

>>Stories Fuel the Narrative—But Don’t Confuse the Two

“Stories are time-bound. Narratives are ongoing.”

He breaks down the difference between stories and narratives using a flywheel model—and why most companies misuse both.

>>When a Story Shifts a Billion-Dollar Business

“One conversation in Brooklyn rewrote the future of Amazon Marketplace.”

Chris recounts how a single founder story changed the internal narrative at Amazon, sparking a strategic shift toward supporting brand owners—not just resellers.

>>Narrative Isn’t a Department—It’s the Operating System

“Everyone thinks they own the narrative. The CMO. The CEO. The team.”

He unpacks why narrative must be rooted in strategy, and why trying to split it between brand, marketing, and product only creates confusion.

>>How Change Starts with Listening

“Storytelling isn’t a hero’s journey framework. It’s a pattern recognition discipline.”

Chris explains how real narrative work starts with deep listening and curiosity—and how companies can design strategy around human insight, not hype.

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In Part 2 of her conversation, Sara Lobkovich doesn’t just tell us what strategy is—she shows us who it’s for. 

Her book, You Are a Strategist, is more than a guide to OKRs or goal-setting. It’s a toolkit for people who’ve always felt misaligned, misunderstood, or mislabeled in traditional business environments. Drawing from her own experience as a trauma survivor, neurodivergent thinker, and late-diagnosed ADHD strategist, Sara offers business frameworks that finally include the rest of us. 

For Gen Xers who never fit the mold but always saw the system clearly, this episode is both validation and a user manual.

>>From Law School to Strategy Misfit

“I never got the interview. I didn’t have the right name on my résumé.”

Sara reflects on being locked out of big-name strategy firms—and how that exclusion pushed her to build her own frameworks, grounded in human insight, not prestige.

>>Strategy as Shared Language

“The simplest tech in business? Words that mean the same thing to everyone.”

Sara breaks down how misalignment over simple terms like ‘strategy’ or ‘goals’ can waste human energy—and how her frameworks give teams a shared starting point.

>>The Book That Became a Love Letter

“I wrote the book I needed—and cried when I read the proof.”

She shares how You Are a Strategist evolved from a workbook on goal-setting into a deeply personal guide for people who feel unseen in traditional business culture.

>>A Toolkit for the Misunderstood

“This book is for introverts, ADHDers, trauma survivors, frustrated changemakers.”

Sara explains why her audience matters—and how her tools were designed for people often left out of business conversations but full of unrealized insight.

>>Leading Through Questions, Not Performances

“Strategy is asking the question no one else is asking—then listening.”

She closes by reframing leadership as a curiosity-driven practice, not a performance—and why the most powerful change-makers are often the ones who feel like outsiders.

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Sara Lobkovich didn’t pivot to be edgy. She adapted because the system never fit—and she refused to shrink herself to match it. 

In this first of a two-part series, Sara walks us through her nonlinear arc: from teen internet entrepreneur to lawyer, from burnout strategist to behavioral goal-setting expert. Along the way, she reveals how quiet defiance, early activism, and radical self-curiosity helped her rewire how she worked and lived. 

For Gen Xers tired of being told to “just fit in,” this episode hits like a guidebook wrapped in real talk.

>>Port Townsend Roots, Strategy Brain Wiring

“I was raised where being a writer or artist wasn’t a dream—it was a job.”

Sara shares how growing up in a small creative town and fighting for chocolate milk equity in third grade foreshadowed a life spent rewriting systems that didn’t make sense.

>>Corporate Doesn’t Like People Like Us

“I gave 150% and learned they only wanted 25.”

She opens up about being misread, underused, and professionally ghosted inside organizations that couldn’t make space for someone who thought faster than the hierarchy could handle.

>>Law School, Big Agencies, and That One Job That Broke Her

“I was the person on the plane with no life and a dog living with my parents.”

Sara traces her journey through law, tech, brand strategy, and burnout—highlighting how her performance often outpaced her internal compass.

>>Strategy as a Rebellion, Not a Resume

“Strategy isn’t being the smartest in the room—it’s asking the best questions.”

She unpacks how real strategy is built by misfits, introverts, and pattern-obsessives—not always the polished ones at the front of the pitch deck.

>>Stuck ≠ Static

“I made stuckness into a self-directed MBA.”

For Sara, curiosity is the antidote to stagnation. She reframes “being stuck” as a training ground and offers a mindset shift for anyone feeling locked in place.
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In this second half of her story, Holly Bond comes full circle—returning to the recruiting world she once left behind, this time to rebuild it from the ground up. At Facets, she’s proving that scaling a business doesn’t require sacrificing soul. From her pay structure to her candidate experience to her team’s human-first process, Holly is quietly leading a revolution in executive search. 

She also drops some of the best job-seeking advice on the show to date—especially for Gen Xers navigating reinvention in an AI-shaped job market. 

>>Why She Said No for Two Years

“I wasn’t going back unless I could build it on my terms.”

Holly shares how she turned down the offer to lead a recruiting division—until the company agreed to let her rewrite the model with empathy at the core.

>>From Commission to Compassion

“I spent 90 minutes with a man in crisis. And someone called it non-revenue-generating time.”

That moment made her walk away. Now, she leads a team that’s paid to care—not just to close.

>>Human-First Headhunting

“We’re not built for speed. We’re built for connection.”

Facets was founded to serve both candidates and clients—not just fill roles. The process is slow by design, and that’s the point.

>>Can’t-Miss Advice for Job Seekers

“Keep your resume on your desktop—like a living will.”

From networking mindset to real-world resume tips, Holly offers grounded, no-BS advice for job seekers of all ages, especially those in their 40s, 50s, and 60s.

>>What AI Can’t Replace

“We use AI to be more efficient—so we can be more human.”

Holly explains exactly where AI fits into her recruiting process—and where it never will. Emotional nuance, creativity, and human connection? Still 100% analog.

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Holly Bond didn’t inherit a business or a playbook—she built her own, from the basement up. 

In this first of a two-part conversation, she shares how a late return to university, a family health wake-up call, and pure Gen X tenacity drove her to create a kids’ fitness franchise with national impact. Holly’s story is part entrepreneurship, part emotional reckoning, and full of hard-earned wisdom for anyone designing change from the inside out. If you’ve ever thought it was too late, too messy, or too uncertain—this episode proves otherwise.

>>Seventeen Years and One Framed Diploma

“My kids framed my degree—with notes saying ‘You’re the bomb.’”

Holly recounts how she returned to college as a mom of two, taking one course at a time over nearly two decades—proving that starting late doesn’t mean finishing small.

>>Sales from Scratch

“I went from mall dumpsters to headhunter interviews.”

Her first outside sales job was in waste management. The job was unglamorous—but it proved she could sell. And it led her, unexpectedly, to the world of recruiting.

>>The Moment That Changed Everything

“He said our son was overweight. I didn’t believe it—until I saw it.”

A brutally honest conversation about her son’s health launched Holly into action. What began as a home gym turned into Bulldog Interactive Fitness, a children’s fitness franchise powered by gaming.

>>From Basement Prototypes to National News

“I said we’re franchising on TV—before we even had an application form.”

She hustled media coverage, fielded 100+ franchise inquiries in 24 hours, and built the brand on the fly. It was messy. It was bold. And it worked—until the 2009 crash tested everything.

>>The Lessons That Nearly Broke Her

“I stopped listening to the advisors who warned me. Almost lost it all.”

From overconfidence to near-collapse, Holly reflects on how she came close to losing her company—and what pulled her back just in time.

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In Part Two, Sande takes us into the quieter—but more honest—chapter that followed. He shares what happened when he stepped off the growth treadmill, redefined ambition, and began unlearning the beliefs that kept him over-performing and under-listening. From rebuilding marriage to carving out what he calls Life Peels, Sande shares what it means to grow by subtracting—not stacking.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Life After the Climb

“What would happen if I just got really quiet and listened? Not learned—listened.”

The Life Peels Method

“We’re like Michelangelo’s David. You don’t need to add anything—you just need to carve away what’s not you.”

Redefining Growth

 “I’m done with strategy decks and trying to prove something. I just want clarity, ease, and to feel good in my skin.”

Marriage in the In-Between

“When our last kid left for college, we both needed space. Not because it was broken—but because we hadn’t had it before.”

How Less Became More

“When I let go of trying to control everything, the right things started happening. On their own.”

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Sande Golgart was the guy who said yes to every opportunity, outran every challenge, and never sat still—until one day, the success story stopped feeling like his. 

In Part One, he opens up about going from slam dunk champ to corporate high-performer to someone questioning the very game he was winning. He talks about early ambition, the trap of nonstop action, and the moment he realized: “You climb, climb, climb… then realize the mountain isn’t even yours.”

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

From Slam Dunks to Sales Calls

“I was competing in dunk contests all over the country. I used that same mindset in business.”

The High Performer Trap

“I just kept saying yes. I never said no. I kept moving, kept growing, kept stretching.”

Action Over Inaction

“Even if you take a wrong step, at least you’re moving. Inaction is a choice too—but it gives you nothing to work with.”

The Wake-Up Line

“You climb, climb, climb… then realized the mountain isn’t even yours.”

No Off Switch

“I didn’t even know what I liked. I never stopped long enough to ask.”

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Chris Quek isn’t just building startups—he’s building a generation. 

In this second half of his story, he shares how selling his inheritance became the launchpad for Thrive, a VC firm that invests in Southeast Asia’s overlooked next-gen entrepreneurs. From structuring value-aligned startups to teaching his kids the principles behind technology, Chris shows how legacy isn’t something you receive—it’s something you design. 

For Gen Xers navigating intergenerational tension, personal ambition, and regional impact, this episode delivers both hard-won wisdom and a hopeful blueprint.

>>From Closure to Creation

“I didn’t inherit a business—I shut it down.”

Chris shares the emotional closure with his father, the sale of the family factory, and how he turned personal loss into a new professional beginning.

>>Southeast Asia’s Family Business Wake-Up Call

“We raised a generation of lawyers and bankers—but who’s left to run the businesses?”

He explains how Singapore’s success came at a cost: the erosion of entrepreneurial drive—and why he’s now building the bridge back.

>>Designing a VC That Feeds the Ecosystem

“Our investors are second-gen family owners. Our startups solve their problems.”

Chris outlines Thrive’s unique model: a purpose-built flywheel that connects capital, tech, and legacy businesses in Southeast Asia.

>>Capital with a Conscience

“We backed a ride-hailing company where drivers take home 40% more pay.”

From AgriMax to Tata, Chris shares examples of startups Thrive has funded that combine profitability with real, human impact.

>>Fatherhood, Values, and the Next Next Gen

“I don’t teach my kids my methods—I teach them my values.”

Chris opens up about parenting three children under 13, mentoring with intention, and why good values—not rigid playbooks—are what truly last.

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Chris Quek could’ve stayed in the family business and lived comfortably. Instead, he chose a life of uncomfortable clarity. 

In this first of a two-part series, Chris shares how he rejected expectations, fled the legacy he was born into, and built an e-commerce business in Malaysia with nothing but grit and guidance from mentors. Now 46, he reflects on what identity really means when you’re not handed a playbook—and how each phase of reinvention brings you closer to your core. For Gen Xers rewriting their lives mid-game, this is the kind of conversation that sticks.

>>When Legacy Isn’t Your Story

“I didn’t want to be the son of Mr. Quek. I wanted to be me.”

Chris explains why he left his family’s manufacturing empire and fled to Malaysia—where he started over, with no plan, no capital, and no title.

>>Courage Is Quiet

“I lasted three days in China. Then I left. I couldn’t do it.”

He unpacks the emotional and ethical discomfort that made him walk away from his father’s factory—and the fear he had to face to forge his own path.

>>Lessons from the Streets of Malaysia

“My startup wasn’t sexy. It was survival.”

Chris shares how he built a cross-border e-commerce business using payment hacks, logistics hustle, and gut instinct—long before VC buzzwords existed.

>>Mentorship Over Money

“I didn’t inherit wealth. I inherited wisdom.”

Raised around entrepreneurs and sharp thinkers, Chris reflects on how informal mentoring—from car rides to restaurant napkins—shaped his business thinking.

>>Every Decade, Rediscover Yourself

“At every stage, I found a new part of me I didn’t know existed.”

Chris traces his 20-year journey through reinvention—from entrepreneur to advisor to VC—and why he believes identity isn’t found. It’s built, season by season.
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In this second half of his conversation, Gagan Sandhu pulls back the curtain on what it really means to design financial independence. It’s not about the FIRE movement or early retirement—it’s about knowing your trade-offs and making conscious, math-informed decisions that align with your values. From career reinvention every 10 years to balancing ambition with family time, Gagan offers Gen Xers a refreshingly grounded take on money, identity, and midlife work design.

>>Financial Independence Is a Design Decision

“I didn’t quit to escape. I quit because I could—on my own terms.”

Gagan redefines financial independence not as a finish line, but a framework for how to live, work, and choose with freedom.

>>It’s Not About the Number. It’s About the Math Behind Your Life

“I built a five-year runway—not a fantasy.”

He walks through how he calculated his freedom, X + Y + Z style: long-term retirement, short-term burn, and real-life expenses like college.

>>FIRE vs Philosophy

“Desires evolve. So does your definition of freedom.”

In a head-to-head with Vince, Gagan goes deep on the psychology of wealth—and why independence without self-awareness is just another trap.

>>Ageism or Skill Gap?

“Don’t blame age. Upgrade your playbook.”

Gagan reframes mid-career uncertainty not as an HR problem, but a personal pivot point—and makes a sharp case for reinvention every 10 years.

>>Teaching the Tool, Not the Trick

“You don’t need financial content. You need clarity.”

He explains how Zillion helps busy families and immigrants manage wealth like pros—not through advice, but through intuitive, data-backed modeling.

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Gagan Sandhu didn’t chase freedom. He calculated it. 

In this first of a two-part series, the Chicago Booth MBA, former tech exec, and founder of fintech startup Zillion shares how he redefined financial independence—moving beyond buzzwords and into practical action. From his immigrant roots to his pivot from mechanical engineering to Silicon Valley, Gagan shows how knowledge—not speed—builds real freedom. 

Whether you’re Gen X or Gen Z, this conversation reframes wealth not as a finish line, but as a tool for designing the life you actually want.

>>From Engineering to Independence

“I didn’t change careers at 22—I did it at 30, with a kid on the way.”

Gagan shares how he shifted from mechanical engineering to tech—slowly, methodically, while balancing parenthood and late-night coding marathons.

>>Knowledge Is Currency

“Every leap I made came from learning, not luck.”

He reflects on why knowledge—not connections, not titles—has been the key success driver in his nonlinear, global career.

>>Financial Independence ≠ Retirement

“I didn’t stop working. I stopped relying on someone else to fund my time.”

Gagan breaks down the real math behind financial independence, and why it’s not about quitting your job—it’s about having options.

>>FIRE Without the Hype

“We turned it into a real-time calculator—so people can stop guessing and start acting.”

Gagan explains how his company Zillion helps users understand their path to independence through clean logic, custom inputs, and grounded assumptions.

>>Money, Math, and Meaning

“Independence isn’t a destination—it’s a design challenge.”

In a thoughtful back-and-forth with Vince, Gagan shares why financial planning must merge psychology, lifestyle design, and human behavior—not just numbers in a spreadsheet.

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What do you do when the person you’ve been—mom, fixer, chauffeur, planner—is no longer needed in the same way? 

In Part 2, Jodi shares the emotional (and practical) shift from parenting full-time to rediscovering your own interests. She walks us through her signature DARE Method and dishes out real talk on marriage, identity, and why your kids aren’t your best friends (even if you really, really like them).

This isn’t just an episode about empty nests. It’s about refilling your own life—on your own terms.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

The Parenting Pivot

 “You’re always their mom—but not always their problem-solver.” 

How to shift from fixer to adviser.

Best Friend? Nope. Mom Forever.

 “They have friends. What they need is a parent who actually knows when to walk away.”

The Real Empty Nest Challenges

“It’s not just missing them. It’s not knowing who you are without them.”

The DARE Method

Decide. Awaken. Reimagine. Experience. A four-step strategy for rebooting midlife.

Rediscovering You

“Start with a brain dump. What did you used to like—before you were someone’s plus one?”

Day Swaps, Not Date Nights

“Plan a day around what lights them up. You’ll learn more than any heart-to-heart.”

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Jodi Silverman didn’t set out to lead a movement—she just wanted to figure out what came next. 

In Part 1, she opens up about career shifts, midlife transitions, and how becoming an empty nester sent her on a completely different path. Spoiler: it involved leaving behind a successful print business, embracing a “dare,” and launching a community that now supports thousands of women through their own identity resets.

Whether you’re a parent or not, this is a story about transition, reinvention, and giving yourself permission to be more than one thing.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

From Sales Rep to Accidental Entrepreneur

“I didn’t know the word ‘entrepreneur’ back then. I just knew I didn’t want a boss—or a babysitter.”

The Quiet That Changed Everything

“Suddenly, I had free time… and I didn’t want to sell print anymore.” 

What happens when the kids leave and purpose takes a nap.

A Guilty No, and a New Yes

“Admitting I was unfulfilled felt selfish—but it was the start of everything.”

Finding the Word That Fit

“I was already doing it. I just didn’t know it was called daring.”

How Moms Who Dare Was Born

From a Facebook group to a full-blown movement, one post at a time.

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Top 1 US Careers.

>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

Wayland Lum has built a leadership career that spans tech giants, global consulting, and top business schools—but his boldest move was walking away from all of it to build something from scratch. 

Now the founder of Copperbox, he coaches modern leaders through a philosophy that fuses deep psychology, personal courage, and timeless wisdom. In this episode, he shares the moment he chose purpose over prestige, the emotional realities behind true leadership, and why fear and courage are two sides of the same decision. For Gen Xers done with title-chasing and hungry for meaning, this is the episode to come back to—again and again.

>>From Booth to Bold Moves

“Would I keep relying on the building, the brand—or bet on myself?”

Wayland shares the moment he realized he had to stop playing it safe and walk the walk. The leap from corporate prestige to personal practice was years in the making—and worth it.

>>Coaching Is Not a Shortcut—It’s a Mirror

“You push people to become who they could be—not who they think they are.”

Wayland reflects on being coached early in his career, and how that shaped his fierce belief in holding leaders to their highest potential.

>>Leadership Isn’t Status—It’s a Torch

“Real leadership burns. If you’re not sacrificing, you’re not leading.”

Through Copperbox, Wayland trains modern leaders using eight core principles—drawn from nature, history, and human psychology. His goal: transformation, not just transaction.

>>Courage Only Comes After Fear

“You don’t get to feel brave without first feeling scared.”

He breaks down how the most meaningful leadership moments require discomfort—and how emotions like courage and fear, joy and grief, are always paired.

>>Wisdom Over Hype

“Leadership today is louder—but not always deeper.”

Wayland’s work is about rewiring leaders to navigate not just business chaos, but emotional complexity. Because modern leadership demands more than charisma—it demands character.

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César Couto Ferreira spent over a decade deep in the world of global media—shaping MTV across Europe and Africa, working with stars, and riding the wave from analog to digital. But when Amy Winehouse died, something broke. Not in the headlines, but inside him. He saw how the industry treated artists as content—not people—and decided he couldn’t be part of it anymore. That moment became his call to redesign his life. 

In this episode, César shares how he left global prestige behind to build systems of real impact—helping governments, mentoring young entrepreneurs, and bringing Web Summit to Portugal. 

For Gen Xers questioning the legacy of their work, this episode is a gut-check: you can walk away from the machine—and build something that lasts.

>>The Rise and the Reckoning

“I was living on the same street as Coldplay. But something felt deeply wrong.”

Cesar traces his rise from DJ to MTV exec—and the moment he realized proximity to fame doesn’t mean pride in the system.

>>When Amy Winehouse Died, Everything Shifted

“We prepped obituaries like playlists. And then Amy died. I couldn’t unsee it.”

Her death wasn’t just tragic—it was Cesar’s breaking point. It made him question everything about the machine he helped run.

>>Leaving the Bright Lights to Build Real Change

“I chose to stop. Not because I failed—but because I wanted to design something better.”

Cesar reflects on the long walk away from global media—and into tech, civic transformation, and mentorship across Portugal and Brazil.

>>Legacy Over Likes

“Media taught me how to influence. Now I’m using that skill for society.”

From helping bring Web Summit to Lisbon to working with governments and young founders, Cesar is now designing systems with human value.

>>Advice from a Media Veteran to the Always-Online Generation

“Read more books. Touch more people. Don’t believe the hype.”

Cesar leaves a timeless reminder: attention is power—and what you do with it matters more than who sees it.

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Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.

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Global Top 1.5% Podcast.
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Ryota Tanozaki didn’t pivot because of burnout—he pivoted to avoid a trap. While managing a turnaround project in rural Japan, he saw the writing on the wall: stay too long, and his world would shrink. Instead, he chose to bet on himself. He went global, earned an MBA from Chicago Booth, built a career across Facebook and Tabist (backed by Softbank Japan), and led a hospitality startup through one of the toughest periods in travel history. But his secret wasn’t speed—it was clarity. 

In this episode, Ryota shares how to spot when your career path is narrowing, why perseverance matters more than perfection, and how real reinvention often starts with one question: what if I don’t want this to be it?

>>The Moment He Almost Settled

“I started thinking—what if my career ends in this rural city?”

While leading a department store turnaround in a quiet town, Ryota realized he might be stuck in a shrinking path. That moment of clarity sparked his move to go global—and never look back.

>>Escape the Trap, Rebuild the Map

“Challenge more. Risk more. Grow more.”

Ryota didn’t just dream of a bigger life—he designed it. Earning an MBA at Chicago Booth gave him global exposure and the networks to shift from domestic roles to international leadership.

>>Reinvention Isn’t Always Loud

“Sometimes the biggest moves start with a quiet discomfort.”

Ryota shares how he shifted from consulting to corporate roles—not in panic, but through steady recalibration and awareness of his evolving goals.

>>Leading Through Crisis Without Losing Yourself

“Three months in, COVID hit. We had to rebuild everything.”

As CEO of Tabist, Ryota didn’t just navigate crisis—he rewrote the company’s mission, strategy, and structure. All while staying grounded in purpose.

>>Mission Over Compensation

“When they visit those hotels, they see the mission in action.”

Ryota explains how he keeps his team motivated without big paychecks—by giving them something bigger than money: a mission they believe in.

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>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

In Part 2, Lora walks us through the why behind her return to music full-time. From co-founding Virtuoso Fiesta to launching her album Reveries on Ivories, she shares how composition became her storytelling tool—and how she sees music not just as art, but as a way to build peace, shift perspectives, and maybe even fix broken systems.

This isn’t a story about following your passion. It’s a story about building the courage to lead with it.

>>Reveries on Ivories (New Album) by Lora Chow<<
Apple | Spotify | YouTube | Amazon

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Why She Finally Left Finance

“The market felt irrational. Music didn’t.” 

When external chaos pushes you inward.

Starting a Movement (Not Just a Company)

“We wanted to make classical music feel joyful—not stiff.” 

How Virtuoso Fiesta became a playground for artistic freedom.

Composing for Change

“Music connects people—across language, across class. That’s its superpower.” 

Why she writes music that talks back.

AI, Creativity, and Human Touch

“AI can help me transcribe. But it can’t feel what I feel.” 

How she uses tech without losing the soul.

Belief Beats Strategy

“You need pen, paper, and confidence.” The advice that stuck—and how she teaches herself to trust her intuition.
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Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
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Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.

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80+ Countries Reached Daily.
Global Top 1.5% Podcast.
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>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

You don’t expect a hedge fund manager to also be writing operas. But Lora Chow has always done things differently. In Part 1, she shares how a childhood love of music led her to Yale, how she pivoted from potential math major to economics and music, and how the Hong Kong hustle—and one very lucrative offer—put finance ahead of passion… at least for a while.

This episode isn’t about quitting your job on a whim. It’s about trusting the detours that make the next chapter possible.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Music and Math at 17

“My heart wanted music. But my mom majored in math—and Hong Kong wanted finance.” 

Why she chose Yale over Cambridge.

Ivy League Dissonance

“Everyone was applying to Morgan Stanley. I followed the crowd—and got the job.” 

When ambition meets expectation.

Hedge Funds and Harmony

“I loved music. But I also wanted a home with a grand piano.” 

Trading dreams for stability… and circling back.

A Voice Silenced

“I lost my voice for a year. That’s when I started composing.” 

How injury redirected her path.

From Opera to Opportunity

How a summer program in Bulgaria unlocked a deeper calling—and a new kind of creativity.
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Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.

Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
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Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.

EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.
17 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
80+ Countries Reached Daily.
Global Top 1.5% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.

>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

Most change efforts fail because they forget one thing: people. In Part 2, Richard breaks down The Book of Change, his 39-step model for leading transformation without leaving common sense behind. We get into the difference between showing up with a framework vs. showing up ready to listen—and what AI might never understand about real leadership.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

What Most Consultants Miss 

“They deliver a binder and disappear. That’s not help. That’s homework.” 

Why Richard built his own model.

The 39-Step Framework

“Every step fixes something I’ve seen go wrong.” 

It’s not bloated—it’s built from battle scars.

Empathy as Strategy

“You can’t shortcut human trust.” 

Why listening well matters more than leading fast.

AI Won’t Solve Culture 

“You can’t automate belief. You can’t code buy-in.” 

Where technology hits its limit.

Advice That Changed His Career

“I don’t need your answer—I need you to hear me.” 

His wife’s one-liner that became a leadership principle.

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Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.

Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
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Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.

EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.
17 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
80+ Countries Reached Daily.
Global Top 1.5% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.

>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

Richard Carson’s career didn’t unfold by design—it unfolded by curiosity. From planning cities to fixing broken systems, he’s never been afraid to say, “This isn’t working—let’s figure out why.” In Part 1, he shares how a job he hated, a grocery store run, and one very weird time-tracking system helped shape his unconventional path to becoming a change consultant.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

From Archaeology to Urban Planning

“I thought I wanted to dig things up. Turns out, I just liked solving puzzles.” 

How he traded bones for blueprints.

What They Say Isn’t the Real Problem

“The issue they give you is rarely the one they have.” 

Why client work is part consulting, part detective work.

The Grocery Store Test

“If you can’t explain your plan in the produce aisle, it’s too complicated.” 

What small-town planning taught him about communication.

The Micromanagement Disaster

“They were tracking tasks every 15 minutes. People were losing their minds.” 

The worst system he ever saw—and why it failed.

Becoming a Consultant by Accident

“I hired consultants. They impressed me. So I quit and joined them.” 

When one audit changed his career.
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Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
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>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

Michael Levitt nearly lost everything to burnout—a heart attack, job loss, foreclosure, and total collapse. But what brought him back wasn’t a digital detox retreat—it was Gen X wisdom: learning to reset without relying on tech. 

As the founder of the Breakfast Leadership Network and burnout consultant to global execs, Michael now teaches others how to rebuild. In this episode, he explains why recovery starts with sleep, why analog habits like ditching your smartphone alarm matter, and why burnout is a system failure—not a personal flaw. For Gen Xers who straddle both worlds, this is a call to reclaim the best of both—and redesign a life that actually works.

>>The Burnout Spiral That Changed Everything

“In one year, I lost my job, my home, my car—and nearly my life.”

Michael shares the full collapse that led him from healthcare executive to burnout survivor. But the real story is how he rebuilt—on his own terms.

>>Gen X Wisdom: Unplug to Repair

“Buy an alarm clock. Get your phone out of your bedroom.”

Raised in the analog world, Michael draws on old-school logic to fix new-world problems. The simplest habit—sleep—might be your strongest defense.

>>Burnout Isn’t Personal—It’s Structural

“If your workplace is broken, no amount of yoga will save you.”

Michael breaks down how leaders need to stop treating burnout as an individual issue—and start fixing the systems that cause it.

>>Why the C-Suite Stays Silent

“Some of my clients are CEOs. You’ll never hear their names.”

Michael shares why the stigma around burnout runs deepest at the top—and how privacy, trust, and discretion are part of real recovery.

>>You Don’t Need a New Life—Just a New Setup

“Most people don’t need reinvention. They just need smarter defaults.”

With tools from CBT and NLP, Michael explains how changing your inner programming can help you regain control—without blowing everything up.

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Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
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Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.

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80+ Countries Reached Daily.
Global Top 1.5% Podcast.
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>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

Steve Monaghan flips the script on innovation culture: experience isn’t a relic—it’s a strategic edge. 

As General Partner at FinMir.ai, Limited Partner at True Global Ventures, Independent Non-Executive Director at RAK Bank, and former Chief Digital Officer at both AIA and DBS Bank, Steve brings a cross-industry view forged through decades of deep transformation. From aviation to fintech to AI, he shows how age fuels better questions, sharper pattern recognition, and global insight in a world obsessed with novelty. 

Whether he’s building Asia’s first unicorn or designing systems that could restructure entire economies, Steve makes one thing clear: for Gen Xers tired of being underestimated, age isn’t a liability—it’s leverage.

>>Built to Learn, Not to Fit

“I wasn’t hired for my experience. I was hired for the questions I knew how to ask.”

Steve’s journey—from pilot to pricing guru to product architect—was never about titles. It was about learning faster than the system could teach him.

>>From N-O to K-N-O-W

“People don’t fear change. They fear not understanding it.”

Steve shares his framework for flipping resistance into insight. At DBS, it became a model: learning, venturing, capital. The goal? Turn skeptics into innovators.

>>Legacy Is Not a Headline

“This isn’t my next startup. It’s my swing-for-the-fences play.”

Steve’s current project could restructure economies by eliminating capital inefficiencies in payroll and supply chains. It’s big, bold—and designed to help the people most hurt by broken systems.

>>The Advantage of Age in the Age of AI

“Older workers know how to ask better questions. That’s the advantage.”

Forget the ageist myth. Steve explains why mature employees are becoming AI’s secret weapon—and why experience, not just coding, is the multiplier.

>>Mental Health Is Not a Risk Factor—It’s a Design Factor

“You can’t build resilient companies without resilient founders.”

As an investor, Steve supports founders with integrity, grit, and humility. That includes stepping back when needed—and being asked, not judged, for how you feel.

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Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.

Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
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Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.

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80+ Countries Reached Daily.
Global Top 1.5% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
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>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

In Part 2 of our conversation, Katie Curry flips the script—from navigating her own reinvention to mentoring the next generation through theirs. As a Gen X leader, she draws from both parenting and management to offer real tools for leading Gen Z with clarity, empathy, and pace. Katie doesn’t romanticize change—she makes it strategic. From book recs to career advice to community wisdom, this episode is a field guide for anyone navigating a multigenerational workplace—and still trying to grow on their own terms.

>>Gen Z Doesn’t Want Hierarchy—They Want Honesty

“We need to pick up the pace—and tell the truth.”

Katie breaks down what Gen Z really wants at work: clarity, fairness, and feedback that isn’t sugarcoated. She shares how leaders must shift—fast—or get left behind.

>>The Parenting Playbook That Works at Work

“I don’t lead with answers. I lead with questions.”

As a mom and a manager, Katie shares the same core strategy: focus, simplicity, humility, and curiosity. No, you don’t have to have all the answers. Yes, you still have to listen.

>>Advice for the Anxious Overachiever

“Find your superpower. Build the skill. Then learn how to pivot.”

Katie offers Gen Z three rules for thriving in chaos: develop what makes you valuable, build a true community, and treat change as a skill—not a flinch.

>>The Real Power of Community

“Community isn’t a contact list. It’s people who remember you 20 years later.”

Katie and Vince reflect on what lasting community really means—and how Gen X mastered long-haul relationships before the age of “likes.”

>>The Art of Learning Without Losing Yourself

“I consume books, podcasts, summaries—but reflection is where it all clicks.”

Katie shares her three pillars of learning: exposure, synthesis, and solitude. She explains why quiet time is not indulgent—it’s essential.

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Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
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Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.

EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.
17 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
80+ Countries Reached Daily.
Global Top 1.5% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
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>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

Katie Curry doesn’t follow a path—she redraws the map. In this first of a two-part conversation, we explore her journey from communist Bulgaria to the heart of Wall Street, from technical risk roles to creative leadership. Katie shares how she builds mental toughness, adapts across industries, and leads Gen Z with humor and humility. Through it all, she reminds us that reinvention isn’t something you do once—it’s a muscle you build. 

For Gen Xers who know how to change ambitiously, this is reinvention with purpose, not panic.

>>From Bulgaria to the Big Apple

“On that bus in Manhattan, I said—I want to work here one day.”

Katie’s first reinvention wasn’t a job—it was a total life shift. Growing up in a small town under communism, she shares how dreaming big and thinking globally reshaped her trajectory.

>>Credit, Creativity, and Everything in Between

“I’ve led analysts, operators, and creatives. You can’t lead them the same way.”

Katie breaks down how she adapted her leadership style across radically different teams—from rating derivatives to managing editors—and what each one taught her about people and power.

>>Risk Isn’t a Concept—It’s a Practice

“Some of my biggest breakthroughs came from the biggest pivots.”

With a career built around risk—from Citi to S&P to insurance tech—Katie reveals how she balances data and gut instinct, logic and psychology, and why you should never expect certainty before you leap.

>>Fail Fast, Learn Hard

“If you’ve never failed, you’re playing too safe.”

Katie redefines success through her personal KPIs: energy, impact, relationships, and learning. And she makes a strong case for post-traumatic growth—yes, even at work.

>>Leadership with Presence and Punch

“During COVID, my kids watched me lead from our kitchen table. That was my real resume.”

Whether she’s coaching a Gen Z team or raising one at home, Katie leads with clarity, care, and curiosity—and she’s not afraid to be both the strategist and the student.

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Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
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Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.

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17 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
80+ Countries Reached Daily.
Global Top 1.5% Podcast.
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>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

Forget hot takes and hustle porn—Josh Geballe has built a career on real outcomes, not optics. As a former IBM exec, startup CEO, crisis-tested public leader, and now head of Yale Ventures, he’s navigated every kind of system—and rewired more than a few. In this episode, Josh breaks down what it takes to lead without ego, make career moves without a roadmap, and support innovation without turning it into performance. 

For Gen Xers designing careers that are built, not branded, this is substance over soundbites in its purest form.

>>Career Strategy ≠ Life Strategy

“I never chased titles. I chased impact—and the challenge that came with it.”

From IBM to a 16-person startup, Josh explains why logic alone doesn’t drive bold moves—and how gut instinct often knows best.

>>Public Sector, Private Resolve

“Nothing in my tech career prepared me for a global pandemic—but it helped me lead through one.”

As Connecticut’s COO, Josh didn’t just manage state operations—he ran its COVID response. He reflects on balancing fear, facts, and forward motion in an impossible time.

>>Yale Ventures: Innovation Without the Ego

“PhDs know how to explain ideas to journals. I help them pitch to the real world.”

Now leading Yale Ventures, Josh shares how he mentors faculty and students to translate research into startups—and how real innovation starts with learning to listen.

>>Startup Lessons That Actually Scale

“Startups taught me how to stretch every dollar. Government taught me how to stretch every second.”

Josh draws on lessons from his software CEO days to modernize systems at scale—without turning leadership into theater.

>>Advice for the Impatient Ambitious

“Your first job? Work for someone you want to become.”

Josh offers Gen X-flavored guidance to early-career MBAs: skip the shiny job titles and find mentors who challenge how you think, not just what you do.

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Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.

Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
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17 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
80+ Countries Reached Daily.
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>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

Irina Filippova is not here to perform change—she’s here to live it. From her early career as a Russian diplomat to her current role as COO of a BlackRock-backed energy transition venture, Irina has made a habit of rewriting the rules instead of following them. In this episode, she shares what it really means to be a self-starter in a world obsessed with shortcuts, how real leaders use courage to stay in integrity, and why the most meaningful change begins with inner work. 

For anyone who’s tired of career templates and startup posturing, Irina offers something better: a real-time masterclass in designing a life and legacy on your own terms.

>>Built for Change—Literally

“I’ve never inherited a job. Every role, I created from scratch.”

Irina walks us through her journey from UN think tanks to BP’s rebrand to leading energy transition from the ground up—each step a reinvention by design.

>>Courage ≠ Chaos

“Leadership is courage. And courage means staying in integrity.”

Forget the bravado. Irina breaks down why real courage isn’t about reckless risk-taking—it’s about showing up, following through, and walking away when the values don’t align.

>>The Myth of the Unicorn

“We glorify unicorns—and then wonder why leaders burn out.”

Irina calls out the toxic myths in startup culture and shares a grounded vision for building businesses that last longer than a product cycle.

>>Change Starts Inside

“I thought I needed to change the world. Turns out, I needed to change myself first.”

Before she could consult CEOs, Irina had to rewire her own beliefs—thanks to deep inner work at the Jung Institute in Zurich. This is change leadership with a soul.

>>Electrifying a New Industry

“We provide the electric fuel. You focus on logistics. Simple.”

Now COO of Electrata, Irina explains her company’s mission to make clean energy logistics seamless for fleets—so the energy transition doesn’t get stuck in jargon or infrastructure nightmares.

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Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.

Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
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Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.

EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.
17 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
80+ Countries Reached Daily.
Global Top 1.5% Podcast.
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>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

This episode dives into Bond, the new book by Greg Morley—former global DEI head at Moët Hennessy and veteran HR leader at Disney and Hasbro. Vince and Greg unpack the emotional undercurrent of modern work—how a broken culture can push people into burnout and how small moments of recognition can pull them back. With global insight and Gen X clarity, Greg shares what real inclusion looks like on the ground, from Asia to Europe to the U.S. If you’re ready to lead with depth, not just diversity metrics, this conversation is your blueprint.

>>When Belonging Breaks

“There’s a crisis of loneliness at work—and it’s costing us more than we know.”

Greg shares why he wrote Bond and how companies miss the mark when they treat inclusion as a buzzword instead of a survival strategy.

>>From Burnout to Breakthrough

“Once that sense of belonging disappeared, I spiraled into burnout—and then depression.”

Vince opens up about his own career-breaking experience with mental illness, triggering a candid dialogue about what happens when work becomes unsafe, and how fragile even top performers can be without support.

>>Inclusion Starts With the Conductor

“Inclusion isn’t HR’s job—it’s everyone’s job. Especially leaders.”

Greg introduces the five “keys” from his book, including why leadership visibility, emotional presence, and shared stories are more powerful than any KPI.

>>The Myth of a Global Template

“You can’t cut and paste DEI from New York to Hong Kong.”

Drawing from his years across Asia, the U.S., and Europe, Greg explains why inclusive cultures must start with listening, not imposing—especially in diverse regions like Asia where family and collective identity take center stage.

>>Beyond the Culture Wars

“Most people want to feel seen. That’s not woke—it’s human.”

Greg offers a grounded perspective on how to lead through today’s politicized climate without losing sight of what DEI is really about: creating space for people to contribute, grow, and thrive.

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--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.

Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,
Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.

EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.
17 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
80+ Countries Reached Daily.
Global Top 1.5% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.

>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

Greg Morley isn’t reinventing himself at midlife—he’s been reinventing all along. As a Gen X leader who’s shaped HR and DEI strategy at Disney, Hasbro, and Moët Hennessy, Greg represents the quiet force of a generation that never needed to go viral to make an impact.

>>From Complaint Calls to Corporate Change

“80% of the calls were complaints. That’s how I learned to listen—fast.”

Greg started in the trenches and never forgot what real work feels like. That early frontline experience now shapes how he has led global people strategies with heart and head.

>>Gen X Leaders Don’t Wait for Playbooks—They Write Them

“I didn’t plan to be in HR. I planned to understand people.”

Whether designing HR strategy at Hasbro or rewriting DEI systems at Moët Hennessy, Greg leads with insight, not instruction manuals. 

>>Diversity Without the Optics

“Rewiring beats rebranding—every time.”

Greg breaks down how he rebuilt DEI from the inside out, ditching the optics for honest structures, tough conversations, and measurable change.

>>Global Insight, Local Action

“Diversity in Cognac, France doesn’t look like diversity in New York. That’s the point.”

From Paris to Hong Kong, Greg’s work proves that inclusion isn’t a one-size-fits-all program. It’s a flexible framework built on understanding where you are—and who you’re there for.

>>Bond: The Book That Calls BS on Performative Belonging

“People don’t want politics. They want to be seen, heard, and valued.”

In his new book Bond, Greg cuts through the noise and reframes inclusion as something human—not hype. This isn’t theory. It’s the Gen X guide to building meaningful connection in work and life.

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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Greg Morley

--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.

Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,
Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.

EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.
17 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
80+ Countries Reached Daily.
Global Top 1.5% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.

>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

So you’ve figured out your career isn’t working—now what? 

In Part Two, Helen brings in the big guns: her framework for getting unstuck, redesigning with purpose, and navigating the messy middle of change.

We unpack the real reasons people stay stuck, why perseverance isn’t always a virtue, and how to redesign a career that fits who you are now—not who you were five years ago. It’s part psychology, part strategy, and 100% relatable.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Three Acts of Career Redesign

“You cannot skip alignment. That’s the inner work—and it’s where most people rush or skip entirely.”

Helen breaks down the phases of Alignment, Redesign, and Transformation—and why each one matters.

Why Strengths Aren’t Enough

“If you only build around your strengths, you’re just building on sand.”

Strengths are great—but without alignment, they won’t carry you through a real change.

Hope Maps and the Myth of the Linear Path

“We confuse a hard day with the wrong direction. That’s where Hope Mapping comes in.”

How visualizing obstacles in advance helps you stick to the right path, not bail on it too soon.

Letting Go of the Career Lie

“We’ve been told perseverance is always noble—but sometimes, quitting is the smarter move.”

A fresh take on what it really means to be “resilient” in your career.

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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Helen Hanison

Helen's website: https://www.helenhanison.com

--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.

Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,
Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.

EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.
17 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
80+ Countries Reached Daily.
Global Top 1.5% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.

>>>160,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

Helen Hanison spent 20 years climbing the ladder in global PR firms. Board-level status, international travel, million-dollar campaigns—on paper, it was a dream. In reality? Not so much. Motherhood collided with management meetings, and suddenly, Helen realized her high-flying career didn’t align with the life she actually wanted.

In Part One, Helen shares her pivot from leading global branding campaigns to guiding leaders out of careers that no longer fit. She opens up about the painful years of career confusion, her psychology degree detour, and how she turned it all into her second act: coaching professionals through career redesign.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

From Global PR to “Wait… What Now?

“I was flying around the world on million-dollar projects and somehow still feeling hollow.”

Why success metrics lose their shine when they’re no longer aligned with your real life.

Motherhood Meets Management

“I was building a family and being promoted at the same time—something had to give.”

When personal change outpaces professional structure, the misalignment can’t be ignored.

The Pain of ‘Unlit’ Work

“I wasn’t unhappy… but I wasn’t lit up either.”

Helen explains the subtle but serious signs that your career isn’t working anymore.

The Accidental Clues to a Future Calling

“I used to take every team member out for coffee and ask them what they wanted next. That was coaching—I just didn’t know it yet.”

Sometimes your next career is hiding in the way you showed up for others in your last one.

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Connect with us:
Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Helen Hanison

Helen's website: https://www.helenhanison.com

--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.

Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,
Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.