In this conversation, Charlie and Peter discuss the possibility of Kamala Harris becoming president before the November election and the potential implications. They also analyze the recent attack on a children's hospital in Kiev and question the accuracy of casualty numbers in conflicts. They highlight the biased reporting of some media outlets and the lack of a clear plan from NATO in the Ukraine-Russia conflict. The conversation covers various topics including the situation in Ukraine, the political landscape in France, and the impact of war on civilian populations. It highlights the lack of rationality and backbone among politicians, the power of the establishment, and the double standards in international relations. The conversation also discusses the high number of indirect deaths in war and the role of the media in shaping public opinion. Overall, it emphasizes the chaos and uncertainty in Western countries and the need for independent thought and analysis.