The conversation begins with a discussion on the concept of a multipolar world and the role of BRICS in shaping it. The speakers explore the implicit understanding of joining BRICS and the benefits it offers, such as access to an alternative banking system and transaction system. They also discuss the importance of preserving cultural identity and the challenges faced by Western countries in maintaining their identity in the face of multiculturalism. The conversation then shifts to the fear of losing hegemonic power and the potential retribution from other countries. The speakers argue that maintaining hegemony is costly and has led to the formation of alliances against the US. They also highlight the geographical advantage and security of the US. The conversation concludes with a brief mention of recent events in the Middle East, including the killing of hostages in Gaza and Israeli protests. The conversation discusses the Israeli military operation to rescue hostages in Gaza, which resulted in the killing of both the hostages and Palestinian civilians. It highlights the lack of success in the operation and the need for a ceasefire deal to ensure the safe return of the hostages. The conversation also delves into the motivations behind Netanyahu's refusal to pursue a ceasefire deal, suggesting that he wants to continue the operation and potentially ethnically cleanse the West Bank. The conversation raises concerns about the internal tensions within Israel and the potential for a civil war. It concludes by discussing the damage to Israel's international reputation and the difficulty of recovering from the current situation.