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Will the U.S. Be Blamed for Ukraine War? | Trump, Zelensky & NATO’s Future

60 min • 5 mars 2025

In this conversation, Charles and Peter discuss the implications of Trump's recent speech, the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, and the leadership of Zelensky. They explore the political division in the U.S., the potential consequences of the war, and the moral responsibility of the U.S. in the reconstruction of Ukraine. The discussion highlights the complexities of international relations and the need for a shift in American foreign policy. In this conversation, Charles and Peter discuss the implications of war, the evolving concept of the 'Collective West', and the transition towards a multipolar world. They explore the future of the European Union, Hungary's position within it, and the challenges of military independence in Europe. The discussion also delves into the future of NATO, the risks associated with European militarization, and the broader implications of a multipolar world.


  • Trump's speech reflects his boastful nature and showmanship.
  • The political division in the U.S. is stark during Trump's speeches.
  • Zelensky's leadership is questioned, with reports of his detachment from reality.
  • The U.S. has a moral responsibility to help reconstruct Ukraine post-conflict.
  • There is a potential for terrorist threats emerging from the conflict in Ukraine.
  • The war in Ukraine may ultimately be blamed on the United States.
  • A change in American foreign policy is necessary for future peace.
  • The consequences of the conflict could lead to a resurgence of violence.
  • Zelensky's inability to adapt to changing circumstances is concerning.
  • The need for diplomacy and recognition of past mistakes is crucial. People need to remember just how horrible war is.
  • The term 'Collective West' may no longer be relevant.
  • We're transitioning to a multipolar world.
  • The EU may consolidate power during crises.
  • Hungary faces constant threats from the EU.
  • Europe lacks a robust military industrial complex.
  • Increased military spending may not yield better defense.
  • The future of NATO is uncertain under current leadership.
  • A multipolar world offers smaller countries more options.
  • War cannot be eliminated, but a multipolar world may reduce risks.
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