FSB got NSA with an assist (witting or unwitting) from Kaspersky? Germany calls off mass surveillance investigation. Reality Winner stays in jail.

In today's podcast, we hear more on what happened with NSA material at (allegedly) Russian hands. Kaspersky security software alleged to have been exploited for intelligence service reconnaissance of contractor machine. Germany cancels post-Snowden surveillance investigation. Reality Winner will not be released on bail. Awais Rashid from Lancaster University on securing the supply chain. Guest is Timothy H. Edgar, author of “Beyond Snowden: Privacy, Mass Surveillance, and the Struggle to Reform the NSA.”