DZ-127: Secrets and Clues 2 - The Cost of Revelation

Listen to learn the emotional impact of revealing secrets vs discovering them.

In this episode Stu, Chas and Mel apply the Landmark–Hidden–Secret framework (from DZ-126) across two very different genres: the thriller SIDE EFFECTS (2013) and the tragicomic pilot of SHRINKING.

SIDE EFFECTS is a film of two genres. The first half plays as a drama about depression and over-medication; the second half is a 90s thriller. We talk about how every time Dr Jonathan Banks uncovers a new piece of information, it puts him in danger — and that danger motivates him to uncover more.

In SHRINKING, we see a different use of the framework. "What are psychologists but detectives of the mind?" Rather than the cost of finding secrets, it's about the cost of sharing them. Chas also comes out of this with a paradigm he's been building toward (but we're keeping what that is secret until you listen!)

And inevitably we go on some tangents: whether SIDE EFFECTS should even have been an erotic thriller!

As always: SPOILERS ABOUND and all copyright material used under fair use for educational purposes.

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"Every time Dr Jonathan Banks uncovers a new piece of information, it puts him in danger -- and that danger motivates him to uncover more." — Chas Fisher @ 00:26:04

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CHAPTERS

• 00:00:00 – Cold Open
• 00:00:16 – Intro: Secrets and Clues 2 - the Cost of Revelation
• 00:01:03 – Previously on Secrets and Clues (Recap of Part 1)
• 00:04:24 – Flashforward Insights
• 00:09:29 – SIDE EFFECTS
• 00:20:18 – › The First Half: Push and Misdirection
• 00:28:41 – › Genre Shift: Banks Becomes the Detective
• 00:48:06 – SHRINKING
• 01:00:02 – › The Inverted Paradigm: When Everyone Knows
• 01:07:47 – › The Cost of Sharing
• 01:22:02 – › Power Through Honest Acknowledgement
• 01:35:37 – The Key Tool Chas Learned
• 01:39:28 – Key Learnings & Wrap Up
• 01:50:48 – Many Thanks to our Patrons!

FILMS

• SIDE EFFECTS (2013) — (w) Scott Z Burns (d) Steven Soderbergh

SHOWS

• SHRINKING — (w) Brett Goldstein, Jason Segel, Bill Lawrence

SCRIPTS

• Study the script: SIDE EFFECTS (2013) — Scott Z Burns

LINKS

• Website: DIY & dragons: Landmark, Hidden, Secret
• Website: The Alexandrian » Advanced Node-Based Design
• Website: Ascii Dreams: The Quest for Quests (Part One)
• Website: Ascii Dreams: The Quest for Quests (Part Two)

EPISODES IN THE SECRETS AND CLUES SERIES

• DZ-126: Secrets and Clues
• DZ-127: Secrets and Clues 2 - The Cost of Revelation

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• DZ-90: Setups & Payoffs in EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE ALL AT ONCE

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