Is optimistic UI the "final boss" of htmx? (and livewire, unpoly, liveview, hotwire, etc)

This episode explores what an optimistic ui might look like in htmx. Also: is it what we want to do? Is it even possible? Or is it incompatible with the idea of having the dom as the true application state?

Original tweet:
https://x.com/noahflk/status/1795758603577545035

DHH responses: 
https://x.com/dhh/status/1796163806650868149

Htmx guy responses:
https://x.com/htmx_org/status/1796182554883539236