IT Horror Stories

Bitcoin and Brown Paper Bags

34 min • 8 juli 2025

Negotiating with cybercriminals is no walk in the park. Shelley Ma, incident response lead for Coalition Incident Response, highlights the human element of cybersecurity: dealing with both clients in crisis and the criminals themselves.

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Guest bio:

Shelley Ma is an incident response lead for Coalition Incident Response, where she assists businesses in managing the response and remediation of cyber breaches. Shelley specializes in ransomware cases and ransomware negotiations, with a high success rate in reducing ransom amounts. As an EnCE-certified examiner, the depth of her experience lies within complex breach investigations, computer forensics, and incident response. Since 2014, Shelley has analyzed, responded to, and investigated thousands of incident cases. She specializes in network intrusion investigations, litigation forensics, intellectual property theft, and related crimes.

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Time stamps:

01:22 - Shelley’s journey

03:20 - IT’s crisis role

12:20 - Oh, the Horror!

26:00 - The cost of cybersecurity

27:54 - Don’t be in the sequel

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