#202 - Perps

Over a trillion dollars worth of perps are traded every month, yet 99% people have never heard of them. Fewer understand how they work.

This podcast is a multi-hour deep dive on perps, starting from the history of grain futures in Chicago to a historic CFTC announcement on Friday, May 29, 2026.

My goal: The internet's most comprehensive explainer on perps.

In this episode, you'll hear from the world's leading experts on the legal layer of perps:

• Hyperliquid Policy Center CEO Jake Chervinsky and policy counsel Brad Bourque
• BrettHarrison, CEO of Architect
• Katherine Kirkpatrick Bos, general counsel of StarkWare
• Ryne Miller, partner at Morrison Foerster
• Mike Frisch, partner at Croke Fairchild
• David Shafer, lawyer at Coinbase

By the end of this episode, I promise you'll be in the top percentile for understanding perps, regardless of where you're starting from. (You just might need to listen twice. There's a lot here.)

Timestamps:

0:00 Intro

4:04 What is a perp?

7:18 Why futures contracts exist

8:15 Liquidity fragmentation

11:01 History of U.S. futures

17:08 Richard Nixon, the gold standard and financial futures

21:27 Birth of the CFTC

24:27 Robert Shiller's 1992 paper

30:09 Price convergence

32:00 The funding rate

43:41 Oracles and manipulation risk

47:39 Are perps swaps or futures?

52:44 A @ChairmanSelig clip on perps

54:02 The DCM framework

59:16 DCMs, DCOs and FCMs explained

1:04:55 History of crypto perps (BitMEX, FTX)

1:13:00 How Hyperliquid works

1:25:41 CFTC's historic announcements on May 29, 2026

1:35:00 Fireside with @jchervinsky and @BradBourque of @HyperliquidPC

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