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Learning How to See with Brian McLaren

Seeing Nonviolently with Rev. John Dear

55 min5 juni 2025

What would change if you believed that active, creative non-violence was the deepest expression of love?

In this episode, Brian McLaren and co-host Carmen Acevedo Butcher welcome legendary peace activist, Catholic priest, and author Fr. John Dear for an unflinching conversation about the cost—and the healing power—of universal non-violence. Together they explore how language shapes our discipleship, what it feels like to be seen with unconditional love, and why “live and stop the killing” may be the clearest way to describe love in action.


Resources:

  • Find out more about Fr. John Dear here.
  • Find out more The Beatitudes Center for the Nonviolent Jesus: here.
  • The transcript for this episode can be found here.

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