Founding Fathers | Saints and Sinners | 4

Was Alexander Hamilton the real architect of American capitalism — or just the most self-destructive genius in the room? What does it mean that the man who shaped the nation's finances spent his career surrounded by an economy built on enslaved labour he understood firsthand? And, if the founding fathers were so brilliant, why is America still fighting about what they actually built?

Peter and Afua peel back the marble on two of the most mythologised men in history: Hamilton, the penniless Caribbean immigrant who survived a hurricane, built the American financial machine, and then blew up his own career with a 95-page confession; and Washington, the slave-owning Virginia planter who became the face of liberty — and knew exactly when to put the power down.

0:00 Hamilton, Washington, and the show that won't let the founders off the hook

1:48 The Caribbean origins of Alexander Hamilton — and what Nevis reveals about colonial violence

5:30 How working at the epicentre of the Atlantic slave economy shaped Hamilton's political thinking

9:10 The outsider who doubled down: Hamilton's ambition, his tongue, and why people feared him

11:36 The Reynolds affair — confessing adultery to defeat a corruption charge

15:50 What Hamilton brought to the revolution that none of the others could

20:10 George Washington: the Virginia planter who had to learn how to be a gentleman

24:00 How marrying Martha Custis transformed Washington's wealth and status overnight

26:40 The land grab Britain tried to block — and why it radicalized Washington

30:30 The fragile coalition: Franklin's joke, the hanging rope, and what really held them together

35:00 Washington's genius was knowing what not to do — and when to walk away

38:40 The American dream was built on free labour — and the dishonesty that disguised it

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