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No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp

The Subtext: Everyone Hates Poetry

57 min8 april 2026

Lee and Savannah welcome a guest on this week’s episode to discuss why everyone hates poetry! In the hot seat is professor and poet Donovan McAbee, who recently published Holy the Body, a collection of poems exploring loss, grief, and doubt. Together, they talk about the beauty of uncertainty and how poetry can be the translator of life’s darkest experiences. If you liked the selected poems McAbee read on this episode, make sure to pick up a copy of Holy the Body!


Things we mentioned in this episode:

Holy the Body by Donovan McAbee

Selected Poems by Seamus Heaney

Endurance by Alfred Lansing

The Frozen River by Ariel Lawhon

Viola Davis on Good Hang with Amy Poehler

Falling by James L. Dickey

Praying Drunk by Andrew Hudgins

Models of the Church by Avery Dulles

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