How Government Is Like Building Software Applications: An Interview with Frank Holland, a political and governmental affairs strategist.

Lithium mining! Water policy! Housing! Software development! What do these things have to do with each other? Let’s find out in this week’s episode, an interview with Frank Holland, a political and governmental affairs strategist.

This week is our first interview with an expert and in addition to random questions about lithium mining we'll also ask Frank our favorite question for an expert: "what’s surprisingly hard and surprisingly easy in your field?" Frank then completely plagiarizes this question from us and turns it back on his interlocutors.

For Music, Erik talks about Simon Joyner's, Grass, Branch and Bone while Mike brings up Scaring the Hoes by JPEGMAFIA/Danny Brown.

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