S1 Ep17: 3 Years Later He Died Again / Jonathan Ashford & Elise Phipps (Part Two)

In Part One, Jonathan Ashford described being a driven tech executive who had a powerful near death experience (NDE) — and came back changed beyond recognition. In Part Two, the story goes further than anyone expected. Jonathan reveals the messages that started arriving months in advance, pinpointing an exact time and location: 4:30 a.m., deep in the Moab desert, on the third anniversary of his death. He walked in not knowing if he'd walk out.

Jonathan says, during his second death, he was somewhere else entirely — a place he calls "the space between spaces." When he came back, so did pieces of his humanity he thought were gone for good: taste, desire, the ability to fall for someone. 

That someone is Elise Phipps, who joins the conversation to tell her side — how she found her way to Jonathan through a small Idaho town, a wave of second-hand recommendations, and a first meeting that left her without a single question left to ask. Together they trace the eerie synchronicities that followed, and a bond that developed without it ever feeling like a choice.

It's a story about surrender, about what's left of a person after everything material has been stripped away twice — and about what starts to grow back. 

Jonathan Ashford 

https://www.jonathanashford.com/

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