#34 DMV Nation

Even though technology evolves at a rapid clip, US government agencies seem trapped about a decade in the past. PJ talks to technologist Clay Johnson about why the government is so unable to adapt, and what it would look like if it could keep pace with the rest of the world. If you want to become a gimlet member, you can go here: http://gimletmedia.com/join. A year membership will get you a t-shirt, early access to pilots, and much more. Also, this Monday, August 10th, we'll be doing a live chat for members only. If you're already a Gimlet member, you'll find information about it on the gimlet page in the next couple of days. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices