Has Kevin Kelly Changed His Mind About AI?

Kevin Kelly is the most interesting man on the planet. The founder of Wired has spent the last few years asking one question: what is AI?

His books have shaped how we think about innovation, the future of technology, and what works. His voice has been present at every major technological shift, from the early internet to AI today.

His influence has reached all the way to this podcast. His essays and ideas are often places we return to for deep thought and reflection. Kevin Kelly is the ultimate curiosity machine, and it was a pleasure to speak with him at length about his ideas, philosophies, and even his jokes.

In this conversation, Kevin thinks on paper with Mark and Jeremy about technology as the 7th kingdom of life, as real and alive as plants, animals, and fungi.

This is a must-watch for anyone who wants to see AI and technology not as hype or fear, but as part of life itself, the 7th kingdom of nature.

Please enjoy the show.

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Chapters

(00:00) Kevin Kelly On Nature And Technology

(02:59) Why Decentralized Systems Still Need Some Hierarchy

(09:03) Why DAOs Failed: Immutability Was a Bug

(16:46) Is AI Creative? (Yes) & The Coming Emotional Bonds

(21:39) AI Consciousness: A Spectrum of Artificial Aliens

(29:16) "Write to Discover What You Think"

(32:48) Balancing AI Tools & Human Thinking

(33:50) AI as a Skill & Powerful Thinking Partner

(37:50) Hot Buttons: Future, Bitcoin, Jurassic Park, Aliens?

(41:10) How to Cultivate Wonder (Hint: Be a Martian)

(49:10) The Power of Saying "I Don't Know"

(53:54) Kevin Kelly's Question: What Do We Want Humans To Be?