In this episode of The Curiosity Shop, Brené Brown and Adam Grant sit down with their first-ever guest, Simon Sinek. Together, they explore the state of organizations globally, including the chaos hitting C-suites, the human cost of misaligned incentives, AI-driven layoffs, and leaders playing defense when they should be playing offense. They dig into what makes teams high-performing, why caring deeply about the people you lead isn't soft but essential, and what the military's culture of love and loyalty teaches us about business. The conversation also moves through nervous system regulation, shame and guilt in parenting and leadership, and what AI can or cannot replace about human connection. This episode is a reminder that the things we've been told to leave out of business, such as love, care, and human connection, may be the most important things we can bring to it.
The Old Order Is Dead. Do Not Resuscitate — Sven Beckert, November 4, 2025, The New York Times
A Friedman Doctrine — Milton Friedman, September 13, 1970, The New York Times Magazine
‘Take a simple idea and take it seriously’: Charlie Munger in his own words — Financial Times
The Inner Game of Tennis — W. Timothy Gallwey, 1974, Random House
Suppose We Took Groups Seriously… — Harold J. Leavitt, 1975, in Man and Work in Society
Dare to Lead: Brave Work. Tough Conversations. Whole Hearts — Brené Brown, 2018, Random House
Developing Brave Leaders and Courageous Cultures — Brené Brown, Dare to Lead hub
The Infinite Game — Simon Sinek, 2019, Portfolio/Penguin
Brené Brown: Focus on guilt instead of shame — 60 Minutes, March 29, 2020, YouTube
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