9. "I couldn't be for myself at first what I was for others." With Li Meuser

Following on from our first conversation, Li and I begin with the hamster wheel that is capitalism, colonialism and imperialism, and the effects of living within power structures that threaten us in a variety of ways, depending on who we are. We talk about how it was impossible to keep up being an efficient cog in that wheel during our dark nights, and how it’s natural to no longer want to participate in “this deadening culture.”

We discuss the “con job” that often masquerades as spirituality; how the dark night rattles the construction of personhood and all our ideas about who we are, who we’re supposed to be and who we shouldn’t be; our somatic survival patterns and the nature of what Li calls the mental body; and the wisdom and clarity of the heart body. We also touch into the undoing of binaries; the expanding capacity for love and compassion towards ourselves and others; times when there’s been a starvation of heart and huge amounts of shame towards ourselves; and totally unexpected moments of grace. Finally, we lean into the realm of unconditionality and connecting to the actual – breath, gravity – and the ongoing dance of being on this planet.

Li Meuser is a full-time student of being fully human, and is deeply passionate about connecting and interrelating. As a somatic therapist, integrative primary prevention trainer, and creative writing facilitator, Li utilizes transformational and wisdom-based practices in supporting people with their somatic intelligence/energies. In learning how to embody our creativity, we are able to consciously choose to discover, move into and remember the realms of interdependency and liberation for all. Li has an extensive collection of science-based recordings to regulate the brain and nervous system on the Insight Timer app.

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Fiona Robertson is the author of The Dark Night of the Soul: A Journey from Absence to Presence, and Eve Was a Realist: Poems for the Untamed Heart. She works with many people who are going through a dark night or spiritual emergency, accompanying them in this challenging terrain as they rediscover and deepen into their real selves. She also offers both a monthly dark night gathering group, and occasional workshops for therapists and counsellors.

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