222. From Geek to Genius with Ron Johnson and Jeremy Utley (Part 2)

Today is part two of the conversation with Ron Johnson, formerly the Senior Vice President at Apple. He was the lead designer of the Apple retail stores, as well as the Genius Bar and many other things that we take for granted in the experience that Apple successfully created. If you've ever wanted to see behind the curtain about how the Apple transformation was achieved, not by the caricature of Steve Jobs, but by the person himself, the leader, then this conversation is meaningful, it's interesting, and I think you're going to enjoy it. Join my weekly newsletter at GregMcKeown.com/1mw Learn more about my books and courses at GregMcKeown.com