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The Happiness Lab with Dr. Laurie Santos

Why the “Pursuit of Happiness” Is a Bad Idea

47 min29 juni 2026

The “pursuit of happiness” is one of America’s founding ideals. But what if chasing happiness is actually making us feel worse?

In honor of the 250th anniversary of American independence, Dr. Laurie travels to Independence Hall in Philadelphia to explore what Thomas Jefferson and the founders really meant by “the pursuit of happiness” — and how that idea has changed over time.

She speaks with historian Darrin McMahon and psychologist Iris Mauss about Americans’ unique relationship with happiness, why striving for it can sometimes backfire, and why the best path to a good life may involve focusing less on ourselves and more on other people.

For more content about the Declaration of Independence, and what we get wrong about it, check out the new Pushkin show, First America. Find First America wherever you get podcasts.

Experts Mentioned:

  • Darrin McMahon, David W. Little Class of 1944 Professor of History at Dartmouth College
  • Iris Mauss, Professor of Psychology at UC Berkeley and Director of the Emotion and Emotion Regulation Lab 
  • Lahnna Catalino, Associate Professor of Psychology at Scripps College
  • Birgit Koopmann-Holm, Associate Professor of Psychology at Santa Clara College of Arts and Sciences

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