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If youâve been following our blog and podcast, you know we spend most of our time in what we call the IT/OT zone: data platforms, connectivity, governance, AI use cases, and everything in between. Weâve also covered the Purdue model, MES, UNS, and even Model Predictive Control. However, we rarely talk about what happens at Level 1 and Level 2 â the actual process control layer that keeps plants running. Not the data it produces. Not the dashboards built on top of it. The control itself.
So when we had the chance to sit down with Margret Bauer, Professor of Process Automation at the Hamburg University of Applied Sciences, we jumped at it. Margret is an electrical engineer by training, did her PhD in data analytics on process data back in the early 2000s (before âdata analyticsâ was cool), worked for ABB Corporate Research, and even did early IT/OT integration work â connecting SAP with ABBâs 800xA system back in 2007. (Yes, 2007)
PID: The Most Important Algorithm Most Donât Know About
Letâs talk about PID control.
Not P&ID (the diagram) â PID, short for proportional, integral, derivative. If you studied engineering, you probably had one half-lecture on it, sandwiched between Kalman filters and Lyapunov functions. Easy to overlook.
Except it runs the world.
Margret was blunt about this: 99.9% of all rockets that have flown into space run on PID control. All the robots you see online? PID underneath. Every valve opening and closing in a chemical plant, a refinery, a bakery? PID.
The concept is elegant: the proportional part looks at the present, the integral part looks at the past, and the derivative part looks at the future. Three aspects of time, one controller. As Margret put it: it has the worst name and the best track record of any control strategy out there.
But donât let the simplicity fool you. In practice, PID is hard to implement well. Valves have physical limits â they canât open beyond 100% (no matter how politely you ask). They take time to respond. And when you need to coordinate two valves for the same flow â say, one big valve for coarse control and a small valve for fine-tuning â the strategies on top of PID get complex fast. These layered strategies exist across every process plant, and they are the strategies that nobody outside the automation world ever talks about.
A Dying Breed
Margret posted on LinkedIn that process control engineers are a dying breed. When we asked why, her answer was painfully logical: the automation worked. Companies invested in control systems in the 1970s, 80s, and 90s. Plants got more stable. And then management looked at the 20-person controls department and said: âWhy do we still need these people? The process runs fine.â
So they cut the teams. One by one, across the industry.
And that is a major problem.
In industry, many control departments are gone â and with them, the expertise to improve or even maintain automation performance. And in academia, process control is barely taught anymore. There are barely any new process control engineers coming through the pipeline. The academics who still focus on it? A handful worldwide, passionate but outnumbered (and Margret surely is passionate đ)
The AI Reality Check
Willem couldnât resist: âMargret, of course, Iâm going to come in with the solution for all your problems. You need to use AI. Itâs going to solve everything.â
(We all laughed.)
Margretâs response was obviously more measured.
One of her masterâs students developed a reinforcement learning algorithm for a batch penicillin process that improved throughput by 25%. Genuinely impressive. But it worked because the student had a well-understood simulation model. In the real world? The algorithm wasnât scalable, wasnât repeatable, and wouldnât transfer to another process.
This ties straight into something weâve been discussing a lot recently on this blog: the physical twin problem. AI models need to understand the underlying physics, the process behaviour, the control strategies. Without that, youâre optimising in a vacuum. Davidâs own experience with nonlinear MPC during his masterâs thesis confirmed the same thing â beautiful results on simulated data, useless on real plant data.
The takeaway isnât that AI canât help. Itâs that AI without process knowledge is just maths looking for a purpose.
The Operator Paradox
Thereâs another angle Margret brought up that resonated with us: the better your automation, the more bored your operators become. One of her students â a former operator â said she used to bring a book to her shift. Press the button, sit down, read for eight hours, hand over to the next shift.
Thatâs great from a stability standpoint. But it creates a dangerous gap. When something does go wrong â and it always does eventually â operators havenât seen enough upsets to know how to respond.
The more you automate, the less exposed your operators are to disturbances, and the harder it becomes to train them for the exceptions.
And you canât just âturn off the MPC layer to make things interesting again,â as David pointed out. So the industry adds another layer â operator training simulators, essentially flight simulators for plant operations. Layer upon layer upon layer.
Margretâs view? Weâll never fully automate everything. Every process is different, every plant is an individual. Weâll always need people. The question is how we keep them engaged, trained, and ready for the moments that matter.
Why This Matters for the IT/OT World
If youâre reading this blog, chances are youâre working on data platforms, digital twins, AI use cases, or integration architectures. All of that is important. But it all sits on top of a foundation that most of us take for granted.
Process automation isnât a solved problem. Itâs an under-invested, under-documented, under-appreciated layer that directly determines the quality of the data we work with, the stability of the processes we try to optimise, and the feasibility of the AI models we try to deploy.
If the foundation crumbles, nothing above it works.
So next time youâre debugging a data quality issue, or wondering why your AI model produces nonsense, or trying to understand why a sensor reading oscillates when it shouldnât â maybe the answer isnât in your data platform. Maybe itâs one layer below.
Find Margret on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/margret-bauer-a885618/
Book âProcess Control in Practiceâ mentioned during the podcast: https://www.amazon.de/Process-Control-Practice-Gruyter-Textbook/dp/3111103722
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