In this episode, Jennie sits down with Judah Smith for an honest conversation about faith, leadership, pride, people-pleasing, and what it really means to stay spiritually healthy in public ministry. Judah shares vulnerably about his journey as a pastor, author, and leader navigating platform, criticism, and the tension between obedience to God and approval from people. Together, they explore how true spiritual formation is often hidden, slow, and deeply rooted in character, family, and presence with Jesus - not scale or success.
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