The Money Trench – The Music Industry Podcast with Mark Sutherland
The Money Trench (TMT) is The Music Industry Podcast from presenter Mark Sutherland and exec producer Mike Walsh, produced by Tape Notes and supported by PPL. Each Monday, we will dissect the biggest music industry news stories of the previous week, in the company of one of the industry’s most influential executives. Followed by a deep dive into that exec’s career in music, including their thoughts on where we’re at and where we’re heading. Now, TMT is here to look at all sides of the music business and celebrate the most exciting industry on the planet. Don’t start your music week without it…
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TMT:50 Jim King on Turning BST Hyde Park Into A Blockbuster Event and The Secrets Of Festival Success In 2025
Welcome to The Money Trench! This week we celebrate our 50th episode and Mark is joined by Jim King, CEO of AEG Europe’s Festival Division.
Jim is the driving force behind some of the UK’s biggest live music events, including American Express presents BST Hyde Park, All Points East, and newly launched Lido Festival.
The pair chat backstage at BST Hyde Park to reflect on a career that spans Creamfields, Bestival, RockNess, and building AEG’s festival empire. Jim shares hard-earned insights on festival economics, grassroots venue survival, booking headliners, and keeping UK live music at the top of the global game.
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TMT:49 Alison Howe on Running Glastonbury’s Epic TV Coverage & Curating Later's Line-Ups
Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by Alison Howe, Executive Producer of Music at BBC Studios, and the driving force behind the BBC’s epic Glastonbury TV coverage.
With over 30 years at the BBC and a background spanning Radio 1, Later with Jools Holland, and iconic music specials, Alison shares her journey from secretarial college to being the BBC’s go-to for live music broadcasting.
The pair chat leading up to the world-renowned Glastonbury festival to talk about behind the scenes logistics, broadcast politics, surprise sets, and the any weather reality of producing one of the most-watched music events in the UK.
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TMT:48 Geoff Ellis On Promoting Oasis & Dominating The Scottish Live Industry
Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark sits down with Geoff Ellis, CEO of DF Concerts, the Scottish live music powerhouse behind TRNSMT Festival, King Tut’s Wah Wah Hut, and countless shows across Scotland.
Celebrating 40 years in the industry, Geoff shares the lessons learned from a life spent promoting the biggest stars, including Oasis, Radiohead, and Pulp.
The pair talk during one of the busiest live music summers ever to talk about festival economics, artist ticket pricing, grassroots venue survival, the Oasis reunion phenomenon, and why he once banned the rugby club from student discos.
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TMT:47 Johan Lagerlof On Being The Founding Investor in Abba Voyage And Buying The Avicii Catalogue
Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark sits down with Johan Lagerlof, Managing Partner of Pophouse Entertainment, the company with catalogue investments in artists like KISS, Avicii and Swedish House Mafia, the founding investors of ABBA Voyage.
With a background spanning Spotify, Warner Music, and a career as a songwriter and entrepreneur, Johan unpacks how immersive tech, catalogue strategy, and legacy storytelling are shaping the next generation of music experiences.
Recorded during SXSW London, the pair talk about the future of live performance, the art of turning music into emotional storytelling, and how investing in legacy catalogues can power new cultural moments for generations to come.
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TMT:46 Kim Frankiewicz On Fighting for Songwriters and Hanging Out with Michael Hutchence
Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by Kim Frankiewicz, EVP Worldwide A&R at Concord Music Publishing, and a true veteran of the global business.
From INXS and the Aussie pub circuit, to signing Mark Ronson and Daft Punk, Kim has seen it all. Now she leads one of the most respected publishing teams in the world.
Mark sits down with Kim at the studio of artist merch company whynow Music to talk about her journey from live promotions in Australia, to top-level publishing roles in New York and London. Kim shares her views on streaming remuneration, AI, songwriter support, and how to build a career with global longevity in the modern industry.
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TMT:45 Jamie Oborne On Managing The 1975 & Keeping The Spirit of Independence Alive
Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark sits down with Jamie Oborne, founder of Dirty Hit Records and All On Red Management, and the guiding force behind The 1975, Bleachers, The Japanese House, and more.
Jamie shares his journey from artist to manager to label boss, building one of the most influential independent operations in the UK music industry.
Mark joins Jamie at Dirty Hit HQ for a candid conversation about building artist-first businesses, dealing with viral fame and controversies, maintaining independence, and preparing for one of the biggest gigs of their career: The 1975 at Glastonbury.
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TMT:44 Jin Jin On Writing Smash Hits & How Songwriter Contracts Need To Change
Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark sits down and chats with multi-platinum UK songwriter and creative entrepreneur, Jin Jin.
With hits for Jess Glynne, Raye, Jax Jones, David Guetta, Becky Hill, Sabrina Carpenter, and many more, the pair discuss the songwriting economy, streaming reform, creative development, and what it takes to build a sustainable career behind the scenes.
Recorded during Ivors week, Jin Jin reflects on her own Ivor nomination, why songwriters still struggle to get paid fairly, and why she founded her own label, management, and publishing company to help new talent rise. Plus, Jin Jin’s baby Jet makes his TMT debut!
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TMT:43 Roberto Neri On The 70th Ivor Novello Awards & What Songwriters Need to Succeed
Welcome to The Money Trench! Mark is joined at Dolby Labs in Soho by Roberto Neri, CEO of The Ivors Academy.
On top of Roberto’s vast career spanning PRS, Bug Music, Downtown, Believe and Utopia, they also chat about the future of songwriting, streaming reform, AI, and championing composer rights.
Roberto brings a unique perspective on music publishing, rights management, and the industry’s shifting power dynamics and also explores his drive to protect, empower, and celebrate songwriters - not just through the Ivor Novello Awards, but all year round.
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TMT:42 Jon Collins on How The Grassroots Levy Will Reshape The Live Biz, Plus The Big Misunderstanding Over Dynamic Pricing
Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined live by Jon Collins, CEO of LIVE (Live music Industry Venues & Entertainment) and chair of the Liverpool City Region Music Board, at the UK Music Academic Partnership event in Liverpool.
As a figure at the forefront of the grassroots levy, Jon explains the reasoning behind it and how he sees the future of the scheme.
The pair also chat about the current state of the UK live industry, how LIVE is working across government and industry to keep UK live music thriving, and what everything they do means for artists, venues, and fans.
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TMT:41 Tony Harlow on How to Break More UK Superstars & The Future For Major Labels
Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by Tony Harlow, CEO of Warner Music UK, to explore his career journey from jazz records to the boardroom, and what it means to lead a major record label in the era of AI, streaming, and cultural shifts.
During their chat at Warner HQ in London, they talk about Tony’s early days in record stores and at Blue Note Records, his global adventures across Australia and the US, and the lessons learnt from running labels like V2 and working with some of the biggest names in the business.
The pair also discuss the challenges facing UK music exports, the evolution of major label culture, and what today’s artists need to break globally.
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TMT:40 Robert Horsfall & Sonia Diwan On AI's Big Legal Challenge and the Battle for Better Artist Contracts
Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark sits down with Robert Horsfall and Sonia Diwan, founding partners of Sound Advice.
As leaders of one of the UK’s most respected law firms for artists, songwriters, and music entrepreneurs, from brokering major label deals to championing fairer contracts in the streaming age, Robert and Sonia bring decades of experience - and plenty of stories - to the table.
Mark joins them at TYX Studios to talk about the evolving role of the music lawyer, the legal implications of AI in music, the streaming economy, gender equality in the industry, and why artist-focused deals still matter in 2025.
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TMT:39 Craig Jennings on Breaking Bring Me The Horizon & Why Rock Is Still a Big Noise in 2025
Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark sits down with one of the most respected managers in rock and metal, Craig Jennings, CEO of Raw Power Management.
Craig shares his stories of shaping the careers of some of the biggest names in the business, including Bring Me The Horizon, Bullet For My Valentine, and many more.
Craig also discusses his journey from the early days of the industry, to managing arena-filling rock bands. He shares insights into what makes a great manager, how artists can build long-term careers, and the ever-changing challenges of streaming, touring, and fan engagement.
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TMT:38 Megan Ogleby-Page on Running Record Store Day & How Vinyl Came Back From The Dead
Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark sits down with Megan Ogleby-Page, Head of Operations at ERA and key figure behind Record Store Day UK.
Megan shares her insights on the evolution of physical music retail, the resurgence of vinyl and indie record stores, and how Record Store Day has become a cultural phenomenon.
They also talk about Megan's journey into the industry, the challenges of running a major event like Record Store Day, and the future of physical music retail in an increasingly digital world.
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TMT:37 Louis Posen On What it Means to be Punk and founding Hopeless Records
Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by legendary punk rock executive, Louis Posen, founder of Hopeless Records.
This week, Mark catches up with Louis in Los Angeles during Musexpo week to reflect on 30 years of independent label life, how Hopeless started as a dare, the realities of the modern streaming economy, and what it really means to stay punk in a changing industry.
Louis also shares how losing his eyesight at 19 shaped his approach to life and business, why he still believes in artist-first models, and how Hopeless is giving back through its Hopeless Foundation and Hopeless Music Academy. There’s also chat about superfan tiers, ticket scalping, being called the “Paul Newman of Punk Rock”, and a few war stories from the early days of the label.
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TMT:36 Nick Stewart on Why Artists Struggle To Make Streaming Pay, Signing U2 and Not Signing Joy Division
Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by a 30 year veteran of the music industry, The Colonel, Nick Stewart.
During their conversation they discuss the latest in the industry, including the financial polarisation of artists, how UK bands may be back on the rise and Nick explains why he thinks some genres are more valuable asset investments than others.
Nick also delves into the details of his career, sharing his experiences working at the famed Island Records, working with artists such as U2, and a feisty game of football with Bob Marley.
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TMT:35 Dr Charisse Beaumont on the Music Industry’s On-Going Diversity Problem and Why The Biz Needs to Take a Stand Against Trump’s DEI Rollback
Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by Dr Charisse Beaumont, CEO of Black Lives In Music.
Discussing one of the biggest issues in the music industry, Charisse explains the need for everyone to step up when it comes to diversity, and for us all to come together to make a real difference. She also explores the idea of embracing new technologies such as AI, and even using them to tackle issues such as diversity and inclusion.
From starting out in the telecommunications industry, to becoming one of the most influential CEOs in the music bizz, Charisse also tells her story and the challenges she has faced along the way.
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TMT:34 Kate Nash on Why OnlyFans Pays Better than Spotify, Getting F*cked Over, & the Constant Fight for Change in the Industry
Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by singer-songwriter Kate Nash.
Digging into the current state of the music industry, Kate discusses everything from the harsh realities of touring costs, why she turned to OnlyFans, and the growing challenges artists face to making a sustainable living.
From performing in the Houses of Parliament to using her voice for activism, Kate discusses finding spaces where she can make an impact. She also reflects on the enduring legacy of her hit Foundations, and the sudden silence she received from industry colleagues when she was dropped.
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TMT:33 Steve Tannett on Marshall’s Rock Revolution & What He Learned from REM & Miles Copeland
Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by Steve Tannett, Director of Platforms at Marshall Group.
From his punk roots to a career spanning multiple sides of the music industry, Steve looks back over his career - moving from musician to label executive, publisher, and manager. He talks about rock’s lasting cultural impact, his work with artists like R.E.M., The Go-Go’s, and Ginger Baker, and the lessons he learned from I.R.S. Records boss Miles Copeland.
Steve also reflects on the challenges and privilege of launching Marshall Records from the ground up, initially as an experiment to bring the brand into the record industry. He discusses the label’s artist-first approach, and how this sets them apart from the majors. He also touches on signing Nova Twins and what’s next for the label.
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TMT:32 Kwame Kwaten on The Future of Artist Management, and Working With Legends (Michael Jackson, Prince & Mick Jagger)
Welcome to The Money Trench! In this episode, Mark is joined by manager, record producer and director of Ferocious Talent, Kwame Kwaten.
As well as catching up on the latest in the industry, including the Kanye controversy and canceled Oasis tickets, Kwame shares his perspective on the ever-evolving role of a manager in music, the responsibilities they're now having to take on, and what new deals should look like.
The conversation also looks back on Kwame's long career in the business, including his journey from being an artist - performing with the likes of Michael Jackson, James Brown, and more - to discovering and auditioning Shola Ama in Hammersmith Tube station and receiving stagecraft advice from Prince!
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TMT:31 Peter Leathem on PPL’s Blockbuster Revenues, A Transformative JV with PRS and Keeping Madonna's ‘Sex’ Book Under Wraps
Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by Peter Leathem, CEO of PPL.
As well as catching up on the week’s news, including Grammy highlights and mental health provisions from labels, Peter shares his journey with PPL, discussing the changes he’s implemented and the successes he’s achieved in shaping the company’s role in the music industry. The conversation covers how PPL continues to innovate in the music space and navigate challenges such as the DCMS committee inquiry.
Beyond his work at PPL, Peter reflects on his early career as a lawyer, shares how he found his way into the music industry, and talks everything from Taylor Swift's gigs to Madonna's 'Sex' book!
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TMT:30 Sammy Andrews on the Music Industry’s Tech Revolution, and Her Most Successful Campaigns (The Prodigy, Annie Lennox & More)
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by the CEO of Deviate Digital, Sammy Andrews.
Catching up at Tileyard Studios, the conversation covers the latest news on streaming services, the future of artificial intelligence within the industry, and thoughts on misogyny in music.
Sammy also shares her journey into the industry, from becoming a touring manager for Ginger Wildheart to working with The Prodigy and Annie Lennox. She explains why she adopts new technologies early and digs into the impact of social media on music.
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TMT:29 Luke Pritchard of The Kooks on the TikTok Ban, Better Care for Young Artists, Connecting with a New Generation of Fans, and Being Naked In Front of Mick Jagger
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark catches up with the lead singer of The Kooks, Luke Pritchard.
Throughout their chat, the pair discuss the latest in the music industry, including the TikTok ban and what it means for artists, the impact of AI, and more on the Los Angeles Wildfires.
Luke also talks through some of the difficulties facing young artists today and what the industry needs to do to support them, as well as sharing stories of his journey to success - including working on the band's legendary debut album, and kicking Alex Turner of The Arctic Monkeys in the face!
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TMT:28 Ruth Barlow (LIVE at ESNS) on Indie Labels Battling the Majors for Market Share, the Industry Response to the LA Fires, Partying with Adele and Risking Arrest Over Radiohead’s ‘Guerrilla’ Gig
Welcome to The Money Trench! In this special live episode at this year's ESNS conference in Groningen, Mark is joined by Ruth Barlow from Beggars and AIM.
Ruth shares stories from her journey in the music industry, from her early days at Xfm to her current role at Beggars Group and AIM. She chats about how the indie sector is feeling the squeeze, the impact of big deals like Universal’s move on PIAS, and what it all means for independent labels.
We're also treated to stories from her time working with legends like The White Stripes, Adele, and Radiohead.
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TMT:27 Andy Saunders on Creation Records’ Golden Years with Alan McGee, the Best PR Strategy for Crisis Management, and Working with Tony Blair and Alistair Campbell on Labour’s ‘97 Election Campaign
Welcome to The Money Trench. In the first episode of 2025, Mark is joined by Andy Saunders, legendary PR and founder of Velocity Communications.
Digging into the latest industry news, Andy shares his thoughts on the music industry's current state, including record-breaking UK music consumption and the pros and cons of dynamic ticket pricing.
Reflecting on his career, he takes us behind the scenes at Creation Records during its mid-‘90s heyday, working alongside Alan McGee. He shares stories of collaborating with New Labour during the pivotal ‘79 general election and recounts a memorable incident at The Music Week Awards. We also hear the highlights from his time at Velocity Communications, including PR tips and his approach to managing a recent high-profile crisis.
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TMT:26 Julie Weir on the State of Rock Music, Signing Bring Me The Horizon, Rebooting Music For Nations, and How British Rock can Fight Back Against US Domination
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by Julie Weir, Director of Sony’s Music For Nations.
Catching up at Sony HQ, Mark & Julie’s conversation digs into the behind the scenes of the rock & alternative industry - discussing running Julie's independent label, Visible Noise, the challenges of touring new acts, and how she is trying to fight the US industry domination.
She also looks back on signing a young Bring Me The Horizon, reflecting on why they were so successful, and talks through the importance of artists being in touch with every aspect of the industry.
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TMT:25 Steve Homer on Why Concert Tickets Are So Expensive, the New Grassroots Levy, His Views on Dynamic Pricing, & Watching Nirvana on Top Of The Pops with Kurt Cobain
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by Steve Homer, CEO of AEG Presents.
Throughout the conversation, Steve shares his insights on hot topics like the grassroots ticket levy, festival shutdowns and openings, and the ever-changing world of dynamic ticket pricing. Steve gives his thoughts and opinions as a man very much in the middle of it all!
He also reflects on his journey into live music promotion, recounting memorable stories such as bringing Eminem to the UK for the first time, experiencing Nirvana’s legendary Top of the Pops performance with the band themselves, and revealing what industry rivalries are really like.
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TMT:24 Miranda Sawyer on Britpop beyond Blur Vs Oasis, the Continued Importance of Music Journalism, the Power of Kate Nash’s Bum and the Greatness of British Pop Music As Export
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by author, journalist and fellow podcaster, Miranda Sawyer.
Exploring themes from her new book, Uncommon People: Britpop and Beyond in 20 Songs, the conversation digs into Britpop’s enduring legacy, moving past the Blur vs. Oasis rivalry into stories about Pulp, Suede, and more, while also examining how the era’s stars coped with sudden fame.
Miranda also reflects on her journey into music journalism, from landing her first role at Smash Hits to writing for iconic magazines like Q and Loaded. We discuss the rise and continued importance of music journalism, the challenges of working in indie music as a woman, and why the prominence of bands in the alternative scene has faded.
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TMT:23 Mark Davyd on How the Arena Ticket Levy Will Work, the ‘Cultural Disaster’ of Losing Grassroots Venues, Booking Oasis on Their Debut Tour, and Taking on Simon Cowell
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by Mark Davyd, CEO and founder of Music Venue Trust.
Catching up shortly after his front-page appearance with Katy Perry, the conversation highlights the growing international support for the Music Venue Trust, with backing from global stars and prominent UK artists. The conversion digs into the Department for Digital, Culture, Media & Sport (DCMS) committee’s report on introducing an arena ticket levy, emphasizing the critical role grassroots venues play in shaping first-stage careers and UK culture.
Mark also explores the potential implementation strategies for an arena ticket levy, shares his personal journey and passion for grassroots venues, and stories of his disputes with Co-op live, legal battles with Simon Cowell, and booking Oasis back in the day.
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TMT:22 Shabs Jobanputra on How His Refugee Background Influenced His Career, Breaking Everyone from So Solid Crew to Baby Shark, US Labels Poaching UK Artists, and Walking Away from Signing Amy Winehouse
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by Shabs Jobanputra, founder and president of Relentless Records.
Catching up at Sony HQ, Shabs shares his journey into the music industry, reflecting on the challenges he faced as an immigrant and recounting the early days of Relentless Records. He discusses the label's first signings and its evolution over the years, offering insights into both its successes and the pressures from the U.S. market.
The conversation also touches on the decline of traditional gatekeepers in music and the growing importance of diverse opinions and attitudes within the industry. Shabs also digs into the thought process behind key signings, including So Solid Crew, Craig David, and even the phenomenon of Baby Shark.
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TMT:21 Lucas Keller on the UK’s Producer and Writer Talent, What the Majors are Not Doing for Songwriters, Being Travis Kelce’s Agents and Why A&R’s Shouldn’t Have Side Hustles
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by Lucas Keller, founder and president of Milk & Honey Management.
Catching up after two nights of industry awards and the morning after the U.S. election, Lucas digs into some of the most pressing issues facing his clients. The conversation covers navigating complex deals with multiple songwriters, the ongoing battle for fair streaming rights, and recent changes at Milk & Honey, including their expansion into athlete management. Lucas also shares insights on representing NFL star Travis Kelce and the unique challenges of managing high-profile talent.
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TMT:20 Robert Swerdlow on Protecting Artists, The Digital Entertainment Business Vs The Music Industry, ‘The Algorithm of The Soul’, Managing The La’s, Michael Kiwanuka, and Little Simz, and Getting Artists in the Big Brother House
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by Robert Swerdlow, of Starwood Management.
With over 25 years of management experience, Robert discusses the challenges artists face today and his role in protecting them - from issues around selling copyright to the complexities of the digital entertainment industry’s close ties with music. The conversation also touches on the pros and cons of ticket touting, his experiences working with artists like The La’s, Michael Kiwanuka, and Little Simz, and the quick lessons he learned when one of his artists entered the Big Brother house.
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TMT:19 Gee Davy on the AI Licensing Battle, UMG Buying PIAS, TikTok vs Merlin, and the Latest from the Streaming Remuneration Group
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by AIM interim-CEO, Gee Davy.
Digging into the latest industry news, Gee shares her insights on the Merlin-TikTok licensing developments and GEMA's advancements in AI music licensing. As well as discussing the journey of her winding career, from engineer, to lawyer and now Aim interim CEO, the conversation also covers the impact of Universal taking on PIAS, and the latest from the streaming renumeration group.
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TMT:18 Caroline Elleray and Mark Gale on Signing Coldplay, Using Data for A&R, the Rise of UK Songwriters, and Almost Managing Oasis
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by two of the most influential music publishing execs of the last 30 years, Caroline Elleray and Mark Gale, co-founders of Second Songs.
Caroline and Mark give us an in-depth look at their storied careers in the music industry, sharing the details behind starting Second Songs publishing and management, the dynamics behind working as both business partners and a married couple, and what the future looks like for the company.
The conversation also covers the crisis of confidence and the use of data in A&R, the rise and success of UK songwriters, and the moment when Caroline first saw something special in Coldplay - long before anyone else did.
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TMT:17 Karen Emanuel, Women in Music Awards Businesswoman of the Year, on the Future of Vinyl, Innovation in Music Formats, and being a Female Business Owner in the '90s
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by Karen Emanuel, CEO and founder of Key Production Group, & recent winner of Businesswoman of the Year at the Women in Music Awards.
As well as covering topics including the future of vinyl, new music formats, and sustainability in the business, Karen shares her experience of starting and growing a company during a recession. She opens up about the challenges she faced as a female business owner in the '90s, what’s changed since then, and what still needs to improve.
Karen also gives her take on the current trend of superfans and record variants, and where she sees her business heading next.
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TMT:16 Mike Smith on the Decline of Major Label A&R, Publishing vs Record Labels, Signing Blur, and Trying to Leave the Industry
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by A&R legend Mike Smith.
Mike is one of the industry’s true A&R legends, who has built an enviable reputation across MCA, EMI, Columbia, Mercury, Virgin EMI, Warner Chappell, Downtown and beyond, signing and working with some all-time greats.
Fresh off the plane from Spain and back in the UK for a new music launch, Mike shares the fresh perspective he's gained from having some distance from the industry. Covering all aspects of his career, he discusses everything from faking his way into the A&R world, to the differences between being a 'publishing' guy versus a 'label' guy. He also shares the secrets to spotting what could be the next music scene, and recounts stories of signing some of the biggest artists of the day.
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TMT:15 Jo Twist & Sophie Jones on David Joseph leaving Universal, Updates from the Streaming Creator Remuneration Group, Why British Artists are Struggling to Break Internationally & Partying at the Labour Party Conference
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by BPI CEO Jo Twist and CSO Sophie Jones.
After a rainy few days in Liverpool at the Labour Party Conference and the BPI Northern Music Showcase, Jo and Sophie discuss how politicians need to engage with the music industry and the importance of treating music as more than just culture. They also share insights on how pro-business policies and creative education are crucial for the industry's growth.
As well as sharing the latest from the government's music streaming Creator Remuneration Working Group, and exploring strategies for helping more British artists break through internationally, the pair reflect on the news of David Joseph leaving Univeral, and what the future might hold.
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TMT:14 Olivia Hobbs on Going Viral on TikTok, Artist Embarrassment around Social Media, Neurodiversity in music, and Not Exploiting Superfans
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by Olivia Hobbs, founder of marketing agency Blackstar.
Olivia breaks down the success of digital marketing in today’s genre-agnostic music industry, exploring innovative ways to build communities and market music beyond traditional social media channels.
As well as sharing insights on creating viral moments and discussing why some artists shy away from social media, Olivia reflects on her career journey, highlighting the importance of grassroots music venues and the need to understand neurodiversity in the music industry.
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TMT:13 Alex Hardee on Getting Liam Gallagher back to Knebworth, Dynamic Ticket Pricing, How Streaming is Rigged, and Why Agents Have To Be More Professional These Days
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark joins Alex Hardee, Executive Vice President & 'Special Agent' at Wasserman Music.
Touching on some of the biz's top headlines, Alex shares his thoughts on the ongoing frenzy around dynamic ticket pricing and potential solutions, he also discusses the challenges artists face with the EU’s touring regulations.
Reflecting on his early days working with Liam Gallagher, Alex speculates on contenders for the next big music reunion. The conversation also dives into how streaming platforms are rigged, particularly favouring the U.S. market, and the impact this has on the global music scene.
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TMT:12 Ben Wynter on Dynamic Pricing, Making a Stand on Joe Rogan, Why the Music Biz Is Going Backwards on Diversity, and Partying with Beyoncé and Kelly Rowland
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark sits down with Ben Wynter, the visionary Founder of Unstoppable Music Group, Co-Founder of Power Up, and Director of Business Development & Partnerships at AIM (Association of Independent Music).
Looking back on his early career, Ben shares stories of pitching to managers on the street, securing spontaneous internships in New York, and navigating the challenges faced by Black executives. He also opens up about lessons from his mother, and the power of using your voice in leadership.
The conversation digs into industry reflections, four years after George Floyd, touching on promises made by major labels, black squares, and Spotify’s controversial stance on Joe Rogan. Ben also recounts the time he accidentally left £2,000 on a train and his unforgettable experience of taking iconic photos with Beyoncé and Kelly Rowland.
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TMT:11 Alan Edwards on The Impact of the Oasis Revival, PR Mastery, and Touring with Spice Girls, Bowie, and Motörhead
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark sits down with Alan Edwards, the founder of public relations powerhouse, The Outside Organisation.
As the buzz around the Oasis revival dominates headlines, Alan delves into the potential ripple effects of the band's reunion on the music industry, particularly its influence on grassroots venues.
Often hailed as the godfather of modern PR, Alan recounts some of the most iconic moments of his career, sharing behind-the-scenes stories from his work with legends like David Bowie, the Spice Girls, Motörhead, and Amy Winehouse. He also provides an insightful look at how the PR landscape has evolved, defining what truly constitutes good PR in today’s world.
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TMT:10 Helen Thomas & Jeff Smith on Curating Radio 2's Playlist, Revamping the Presenter Lineup, and Reviving ELO
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by Helen Thomas, Head of BBC Radio 2, and Jeff Smith, Head of Music for BBC Radio 2 and 6 Music.
As they explore the evolving strategy at Radio 2, Helen and Jeff share insights on adapting to a new generation of listeners while continuing to serve the current audience, the rationale behind changing the presenter lineup, and the planning behind the much-anticipated Radio 2 in the Park. They also take us inside the Radio 2 playlist room, revealing the process behind curating one of the most influential & largest music playlists in the UK.
As well as discussing how Radio 2 is staying ahead in a rapidly changing media landscape and highlighting the importance of representation across the country, they explore the role of AI in the future of radio and what it means for the industry moving forward.
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TMT:09 Dave Bianchi on Breaking UK Acts Internationally, the Next ‘Alt’ Music Movement, and What US Labels Really Think About UK Labels
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by Various Artists CEO Dave Bianchi.
Throughout the conversation, Dave discusses the challenges of breaking UK acts internationally, exploring the complexities of selling music abroad and predicting where the next 'alt' music movement might emerge.
Beyond industry insights, including his new ventures with Various Artists, he shares his long journey in the music world—from lugging boxes for Pink Floyd to launching his own music night and eventually establishing key industry connections.
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TMT:08 Darcus Beese on Rising from Intern to Island President, Independent Labels Resetting the Industry, How Ed Sheeran Got Away, & Lessons Learned From Amy Winehouse
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by Island ex-CEO and President, A&R Legend and now Indie Label Head, Darcus Beese.
Giving the music industry headlines a miss this week (Mark's on holiday), Darcus dives into his journey from intern to industry leader, sharing stories of signing some of the biggest artists of the past few decades, including Amy Winehouse, Sugababes, and Florence + The Machine. As well as stories of A&R chaos, he shares his thoughts on the shifts in the music landscape, his decision to launch Darko Recordings, and what he looks for in successful artists today.
Darcus’s memoir, Rebel With a Cause: Roots, Records, and Revolutions, will be available from August 15, 2024.
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TMT:07 Nina Nesbitt & Vicky Dowdall on Fair Pay for Songwriters, Successful Manager-Artist Relationships, Motherhood in Music, and Karaoke with Justin Bieber
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by singer-songwriter Nina Nesbitt and manager Vicky Dowdall.
With a partnership going back to Nina’s teenage years, the pair reflect on the pivotal moments of their careers together, from handling major label deals to starting a label of their own Apple Tree Records.
They share the secret to their strong artist-manager relationship and recount stories of buying Irn-Bru for Stevie Nicks, auditioning for Simon Cowell, and singing karaoke with Justin Bieber.
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TMT:06 Tara Richardson on Launching a Management Company, Attitudes to Mental Health, Top Artist Traits, and Pub Quizzes With The Last Dinner Party
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by Tara Richardson, not long after the launch of her new management company T-Time Management.
Tara discusses her decision to leave Q Prime and start her own company, sharing her vision for T-Time and her thoughts on the future of the music industry.
Reflecting on her journey in the music industry, Tara recounts her early days managing guest lists, working with Suggs, and touring Eastern Europe with The Prodigy. She also shares valuable lessons learned from industry legends Peter Mensch and Cliff Burnstein and explains what she now looks for in breaking new bands.
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TMT:05 Daniel Glass on Universal's Early Days, Hustle Culture, Physical vs. Digital Sales, and Growing Artists Into Arenas
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark catches up with storied US label boss Daniel Glass.
On a fleeting London visit, Daniel reflects on the early days of his career, from the moment he fell in love with the market, to setting up a label from a hotel foyer, and his time at Chrysalis and Universal Records.
As well as sharing his thoughts on hustle culture and how to be a successful entrepreneur in today's music world, Daniel looks at what's ahead for Glassnote Records, sharing his predictions for new music 'arena fillers' and what they're doing right.
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TMT:04 Annabella Coldrick on Managers' Evolving Roles, the Fight for Fair Pay in Streaming, Renegotiating Contracts, and New Music Industry Baddies
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by the new Music Managers Forum (MMF) CEO, Annabella Coldrick.
As well as digging into the latest music industry news, including major label restructuring and management lawsuits, the conversation explores how the role of music managers has evolved over the years, the key ways to make the industry fairer and how to create strong artist relationships.
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TMT:03 Tom Kiehl on UK Music's Pre- and Post-Election Strategy, the Impact of a New Government, Post-Brexit Challenges, and Uncovering Portsmouth's Music Scene
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by the new UK Music Chief Executive, Tom Kiehl (recorded on the day of the General Election).
As the bridge between the music industry and government, Tom discusses how UK Music has prepared and will respond to the results of the General Election.
In addition to sharing stories of early morning record store days and investigating the Portsmouth music scene, the conversation covers what Tom is prioritising in his new role, including the impact and lasting implications of leaving the EU, the challenges facing grassroots music venues, and the growth of AI.
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TMT:02 Ferdy Unger-Hamilton on AI Lawsuits, independent label success, the future of A&R, and partying in Bono's hotel room
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by A&R heavyweight and former major label head, Ferdy Unger-Hamilton.
In another big week for the industry, the conversation covers major label lawsuits, the Rolling Stones on Roblox, and an in-depth discussion of the most important parts of A&R. Reflecting on his career, Ferdy talks through his very first job interview taken on a payphone, to his time at the top of major labels Polydor, Columbia & Virgin, and life now at his own indie label Promised Land Music.
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Executive Producer: Mike Walsh
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TMT:01 Lorna Clarke on Glastonbury, the BBC vs commercial radio, nurturing new talent & eating curry with Paul McCartney
Welcome to The Money Trench. In this, our very first episode, Mark is joined by Lorna Clarke, Director of Music at the BBC, ahead of one of the busiest weeks in her calendar, Glastonbury.
As well as discussing the scale of the BBC’s Glastonbury coverage and detailing what goes into planning a broadcast of this scale, Lorna takes us on a deep dive into her career, sharing her thoughts on the BBC vs. commercial radio, why diversity within the industry is vital for its success, and stories of curry mishaps with Paul McCartney.
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The Money Trench is sponsored by the PPL who celebrate their 90 th year in business this year.
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For the latest podcast and music business updates, make sure to follow us on:
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Executive Producer: Mike Walsh
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