Ep 01 - "I Want Your Product to Enable My Agent"

Recorded June 30, 2026, 2pm Pacific. Live from AI Engineer World's Fair! Fable is still banned (as of recording time, ahem). Advice: Build for agents. We're still talking about loops, but which loops? And more receipts are demanded. LINKS / ON-SCREEN REFERENCES, IN ORDER IN THE NEWS Model-tiers image (OpenAI forum) https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/openai1/original/4X/f/0/8/f088bfcb17e4f7a8da3d2ba48d6391fa5a9201d9.jpeg Claude models page (four model cards) https://claude.com/platform/api Starbucks sizes https://www.starbucks.com/menu/product/409/hot "Freedom of intelligence" tweet (Quinn Slack) https://x.com/sqs/status/2071690420548198581 Magnitude / harness-level routing https://magnitude.dev Anthropic's "Project Deal" https://www.anthropic.com/features/project-deal "The Dumb Zone" tweet (Matt Pocock) https://x.com/mattpocockuk/status/2071288332642812229 Regulation / CA gov tweet https://x.com/RhysSullivan/status/2071632971388662233 Rhys tweets to poke additional bears https://x.com/RhysSullivan/status/2071811069002281335 TOPIC - I DON'T WANT TO USE YOUR AGENT "I don't want to use your product's agent (Dillon quote-tweet) https://x.com/dillon_mulroy/status/2070983687785914822 Dax's original tweet https://x.com/thdxr/status/2071010042216665452 Low-level-learning PlanetScale fireside https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8tRi1RYf7c A wild PlanetScale CTO appears https://x.com/NickVanWig SOCs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_operations_center Ankur Goyal / Braintrust "two mega-trends" tweet https://x.com/ankrgyl/status/2071329164125147440 Dillon's reply to Ankur https://x.com/dillon_mulroy/status/2071330371283915027 "The Primitive is the Product" - Lenny Pruss, Amplify Partners https://www.amplifypartners.com/blog-posts/the-primitive-is-the-product "I am a golden god" - "Almost Famous" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCfFCFkVSss Rita Kozlov - "Welcome to Agents Week" (the math on scaling agents to the masses) https://blog.cloudflare.com/welcome-to-agents-week/#the-math-on-scaling-agents-to-the-masses TOPIC - LOOPS & SOFTWARE FACTORIES (ROUND 2) "The Coming Loop" - Armin Ronacher https://lucumr.pocoo.org/2026/6/23/the-coming-loop/ Dillon's software-design skills repo https://github.com/dmmulroy/skills Rhys tweets at Sam Altman re junior engineers (etc.) https://x.com/RhysSullivan/status/2053177733598077340 TOPIC - RECEIPTS REQUIRED shadcn tweet ("Are you sure?") https://x.com/shadcn/status/2069054418247393389 Theo Brown tweet re moving code agents off laptops https://x.com/theo/status/2071083700385955906 Boris Cherny "five archetypes" tweet https://x.com/bcherny/status/2071379474277613732 FOLLOW THE HOSTS Dillon Mulroy - https://x.com/@dillon_mulroy / https://dillonis.online / https://twitch.tv/dillon Rhys Sullivan - https://x.com/@RhysSullivan / https://rhys.dev / https://executor.sh Sunil Pai - https://x.com/@threepointone / https://sunilpai.dev CREDITS The Next Token is sponsored by Cloudflare https://www.cloudflare.com Subscribe on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@NextTokenShow and wherever you get your podcasts.