What if the sky has always had another language—one that speaks not in planets or houses, but in broken and unbroken lines?
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There are moments in a life when a question arrives that feels too large for words alone. You can feel the shape of it, the weight, but it resists articulation. Astrology teaches us that the cosmos has a grammar. But the I Ching offers something else entirely: not a translation of fate, but a conversation with it.
In this episode, Adam sits down with Benebell Wen. She is the author of I Ching, The Oracle (North Atlantic Books, 2022), a work that has quietly become a companion text for astrologers who sensed there was more to the Book of Changes than its reputation suggested. Her previous books—The Tao of Craft and Holistic Tarot—established her as a rare voice: one that moves between rigorous scholarship and living, practiced tradition without ever losing the pulse of the personal.
What unfolds here is a dialogue about the place where astrology and the I Ching meet. Not as rival systems, but as old friends who recognize each other across a crowded room. Benebell brings to light the forgotten feminine, the shamanic roots, and the oracular heart of a text that has been called many things over three thousand years. But perhaps its most accurate name is simply: a way to hear yourself more clearly.
For the astrologer, the I Ching offers something peculiar and precious. It does not compete with the chart. It refracts it. A single hexagram can catch the light of a transit you thought you understood, and suddenly you are seeing an angle that had been in shadow. The lines do not tell you what will happen. They show you where you are standing.
You will leave this conversation not with instructions, but with an invitation. To set down the need for mastery. To approach an ancient Oracle not as a student trying to get it right, but as a guest welcomed home.
“The I Ching does not give you the answer. It teaches you to find the answer for yourself. A big part of the divinatory process is looking inside, meditating and reflecting, and trying to critically analyze the result for yourself. This is not a failure of the Oracle. This is the entire point.”
If you have ever felt the pull of the I Ching but did not know where to begin—or if you have cast the coins for years and sense there are still depths you have not touched—this conversation is for you.
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About Our Guest
Benebell Wen is the author of I Ching, The Oracle (2022), The Tao of Craft (2016), and Holistic Tarot (2015). Her work bridges academia with embodied practice, introducing English-speaking audiences to classical Taoist grimoires and sacred texts often obscured by language and lineage. She posts lectures on her YouTube channel, shares personal reflections on Substack, and offers free resources on her website.
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Benebell Wen
Website → http://www.benebellwen.com
YouTube → https://www.youtube.com/c/BenebellWen
Instagram → http://www.instagram.com/bellwen
Substack → https://substack.com/@benebellwen
I Ching, The Oracle → Available wherever books are found
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