Episode 4 - The Man With The Secrets

Steve Holden and Samya Hafsaoui speaks to Eurovision's Head of Contest Twan van de Nieuwenhuijzen, the man who helps put together the shows' running order and tells acts what they can and can't do on stage.

We're also chatting to Andrea from North Macedonia, Marius Bear from Switzerland and Andromache, who's representing Cyprus.

And Natalia Anderson from Tuneful TV talks about how to run a YouTube reaction channel.

Find Steve on Instagram. He's @steve_holden_ldn.

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