What if Pain is the Messenger with Channeler Gary Temple Bodley and Spiritual Medium Christy Levy

Have you ever wondered whether that quiet inner voice is genuine guidance... or simply your own hopes and fears talking?

In this fascinating conversation, CJ sits down with spiritual teacher and author Gary Temple Bodley and spiritual medium Christy Levy to explore one of life's biggest questions: How do we recognize authentic guidance?

Gary shares the remarkable story of how meditation led him into direct communication with a collective consciousness known as Joshua, eventually inspiring him to write four channeled books and launch the Joshua Live podcast. Christy describes her own journey into mediumship, automatic writing, and connecting with spirit guides and historical figures to help others discover greater clarity and purpose.

Together they explore a radically different way of viewing reality: that your perspective creates your experience, and that shifting your perspective naturally changes your emotional state, your vibration, and ultimately your life. Along the way, they discuss limiting beliefs, why emotions can serve as guides rather than obstacles, and how curiosity can transform even life's most difficult experiences.

The conversation takes a deeply personal turn when CJ asks about living with chronic pain. Rather than asking, "Why is this happening to me?" Gary offers a different perspective, suggesting that pain can become a messenger rather than an enemy when we approach it with openness instead of resistance.

Near the end of the interview, Christy offers CJ a spontaneous reading that brings forward the symbolic presence of Beethoven and John Coltrane. Their message moves beyond music into the creative process itself, exploring the relationship between listening, surrender, and following what is quietly calling us forward. In one particularly moving moment, CJ is invited to exchange the question, "Why is this happening?" for a far more empowering one:

"Who am I becoming through this experience?"

Whether you're curious about channeling, fascinated by consciousness, searching for deeper meaning in difficult experiences, or simply trying to trust your own inner wisdom, this conversation offers thoughtful insights into creativity, healing, perspective, and the possibility that guidance is always available to those willing to listen.

Sometimes the answers we're searching for aren't found by thinking harder.

Sometimes they arrive when we become quiet enough to hear them.

Want to learn more about CJ Miller? Check out his Spiritual Artist Retreats, 1:1 Personal Coaching, and Speaking Engagements at www.spiritualartisttoday.com. His retreats are designed to help you reconnect with your Creative Intelligence and express your true artistic voice. You can also find his upcoming schedule there, and his book, The Spiritual Artist, is available on Amazon.