Is College Worth It? (ft. DHH)

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🎓 Is College Still Worth It in 2025?

Welcome to The Standup – where developers, creators, and founders debate the big questions. In this episode, we sit down with David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH), the creator of Ruby on Rails and Basecamp co-founder.

👉 Is College Worth It in 2025?

We dive deep into:

⏳ The ROI of college in a post-AI world
🇺🇸 Why American higher ed is broken (from a Danish POV)
📉 Are CS degrees still worth $250K?
💸 The myth of the “four-year luxury cruise”
🤖 How AI is disrupting the junior dev job market
🔍 Hiring: Is college even a useful signal anymore?
🧠 IQ vs wisdom vs vibes – what really matters in hiring
🧰 Is programming a trade? Should we move to apprenticeships?
👨‍🌾 Why every dev wants to be a farmer (and why that’s delusional)

Whether you’re considering college, hiring devs, or already knee-deep in student debt, this conversation pulls no punches and may just change how you think about education, hiring, and the future of software development.

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📌 Chapters:
0:00 intro
2:05 is college still worth it in 2025?
5:48 the cost of college in the U.S. vs Europe
6:57 sponsor: CodeRabbit
7:42 good point
9:10 DHH explains the Danish education system
13:02 is college just a luxury cruise?
17:45 what are you actually buying with a degree?
21:20 how companies *really* hire developers
26:11 Casey’s take: programming should be a trade
30:40 is college a filter for IQ or just vibes?
45:50 what skills matter more than a degree
49:20 how to actually learn to code in 2025
53:00 is college redeemable? final thoughts
57:15 wrap-up & what’s next on the podcast

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