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The ultraconservative pastor behind the US Secretary of War

31 min13 juli 2026

As the Iran war reignites, there's a hidden figure influencing the American side. In an exclusive interview for The Times, Pete Hegseth’s pastor Doug Wilson says the conflict in Iran is a righteous battle against Muslims, homosexuality is evil, and women who dress immodestly are sluts. How is this ultraconservative influencing US foreign policy? And could we see his brand of Christianity in the UK?


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Guest: George Grylls, Washington correspondent, The Times.

Host: Manveen Rana. 

Producer: Olivia Case.


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Read more: Pete Hegseth’s pastor: ‘Women who dress immodestly are sluts’

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