CanREA Operators Summit Tackles Aging Fleets

Allen and Joel are joined by Mathieu Cōté from CanREA to preview the upcoming Operators Summit in Toronto. With many Canadian wind projects reaching 17-20 years old, the industry faces critical decisions about extending, repowering, or decommissioning assets. Register now! Sign up now for Uptime Tech News, our weekly newsletter on all things wind technology. This episode is sponsored by Weather Guard Lightning Tech. Learn more about Weather Guard's StrikeTape Wind Turbine LPS retrofit. Follow the show on YouTube, Linkedin and visit Weather Guard on the web. And subscribe to Rosemary's "Engineering with Rosie" YouTube channel here. Have a question we can answer on the show? Email us! Welcome to Uptime Spotlight, shining Light on Wind. Energy's brightest innovators. This is the Progress Powering tomorrow. Allen Hall: Matt, welcome to the program. Thanks for having me. Well, the theme of this Year's Operator Summit is coming of age and. There's a lot of things happening in the renewable side up in Canada. What does that mean for Canadian renewable energy operators right now?  Mathieu Cōté: Well, we came up with coming of age because, um, the fleet in Canada is in a bit of a different space than it is in the States where, uh, right now we've got a lot of projects that are on the cusp of coming to their end of initial lifetime. Right. They're in that. 17 to 20 year range. There's some that are a little bit past, and so you, as an operator, you gotta be asking yourself, is this the time to extend this project? What do I have to do [00:01:00] if I need to extend? Um, or am I repowering, am I taking things down, putting them up? And I mean, there's a lot of different variables there. Sometimes it's just a re topping, sometimes it's everything down to ground level and go again. Or it's, maybe it's a decommissioning and those decisions are on the cusp of being made in the operation space in Canada. So that's, that's a super important part of it. But the other side of it, and the reason we liked, uh, coming of age is from the industry perspective itself. We are no longer the new kid on the block, right? We are now a reliable, uh, professional industry that can deliver power when you need it. Uh, so that's what we're trying to, to convey with this coming of age. And, and we've got some really good speakers who are gonna talk about that, uh, from. The grid operator's perspective saying, why is it that renewables are one of the first things they reach for now when they realize they need more power? Joel Saxum: I think it's an interesting space and I think to, to [00:02:00]comment more deeply on that, right? That you guys are in that, you  Mathieu Cōté: know,  Joel Saxum: 2005, six you started installing a  Mathieu Cōté: lot of the, a lot of wind assets. There was a curve of, as it as every year you get more and more. Trickle and then becomes a flood quite quickly. Joel Saxum: Yeah. And, and, and you know, from, from the operation standpoint, we deal with some of the wind farms in Canada. We love working with, uh, the operators up there because they do exude that professionalism. They're on top of their game. They know they've gotta maintain these things. Whereas in the states, we've been a little bit nascent sometimes and, oh, we got PTC coming so we don't have to do these certain things. Little bit more cowboy. Yeah. Yeah. And up in Canada, they're, they're, they've been doing the right things for a long time. Um, and I think it's a good, good model to follow, but you're a hundred percent correct. We're coming to that time when it's like decision time to be made here. And I think we, in our, in our uh, kind of off air chat, you had mentioned that, you know, repower in Canada is. Pretty early stages. I  Mathieu Cōté: only know about  Joel Saxum: one,  Mathieu Cōté: to [00:03:00] be honest, and I try and keep track of these things,  Joel Saxum: but that's coming down the pipeline,  Mathieu Cōté: right? So there's gonna be more and more of these happening. And I mean, there are a lot of operators that have one foot on either side of the border, so some people have some operational experience on what steps you need to take, but it's also from the regulatory side, like what is your grid operator gonna insist on? So on and so on. But, uh, so we've got some panels to talk about things like, one of my favorites is, uh, how much life is left in your machine? And that's sort of a deeper dive from an engineering standpoint. Like what math do the engineers do to assess, is this foundation good to go for another 10 years? Is this tower gonna stand up to whatever? Should we replace the blades and all those components? We, we've got a foundation expert, uh, someone who does. Digital twin sort of things as well as, um, a panelist from, uh, Nordex, so the OEM sort of perspective as well, and how they assess how much [00:04:00] life is left in a machine. So like that's the sort of panels that we're trying to put together that we're pretty excited about.  Joel Saxum: Well, I think that's a good one too, because I know Alan and I we're talking around the industry globally. A lot of it is around CMS. And when we say CMS, we're not just talking drive train anymore, we're talking everything you can in the turbine, right? So the, the concept of remaining useful life, r ul, that always comes up, where are we at with this, right? Because from a global perspective in Europe, they have, you know, in Spanish wind farms are all, a lot of 'em are at that 25 year mark. What are we doing here? So you guys are bringing that conversation to the Canadian market at this operator summit in Toronto here in February. It's, it's timely, right? Because it's February and everybody's getting ready for spring, so you got a little bit of time to come to the conference.  Mathieu Cōté: Well, and that's one of the things that we actually used to do is show in April and we've moved it back after hearing feedback from our, from our audience that April's almost too late, right? Like, if you're doing your assessments for your [00:05:00] blades, it where? Where's your manpower coming up? Coming from in the summertime? Those contracts are already signed. By the time you hit April, February, you've still got time. Your RFP might be out so you can meet all the proponents on site at once. It, it just makes a lot more sense for us to do it in February. Allen Hall: Well, there's a wide range of technology in Canada in regards to wind to energy. That adds to the complexity where a lot of turbines, unlike the United States, are maybe even sub one megawatt, and with new turbines coming online, they're gonna be in the five, six, maybe even seven megawatt range. That's a huge dispersed. Industry to try to maintain massive range. Yeah. Right. And I, and, and I think one of the dilemmas about that is trying to find people who understand that tho all those different kinds of machines and the intricacies of each one of them and how to operate them more efficiently, which is where Canada is. Quite honestly. The, the thing [00:06:00] about that and the challenge for Canada Head, and this is why the conference is so important, is. If there's someone in Canada that has the answer, as Joel and I have talked to a number of Canadian operators, you may not know them. I know it's a smaller marketplace in general, but unless you're talking to one another, you probably, uh, don't realize there's, there's help within Canada. And these conferences really highlight that quite a bit. Wanna talk about some of the, sort of the interactions you guys create at the conference?  Mathieu Cōté: Yeah. Oh, well, it's one of the things that can RIA tries to do is play that connector role, right? Like, we don't know everything, but like you say, we know someone who knows something and we can put you in touch with all. I know a guy who knows a guy. Um, but we're, we're always able to, to, to connect those dots. And I mean, we, we do a lot of, uh. Things like working groups and uh, regional meetings. And, uh, we've even got, uh, different summits for different things. Getting a little bit outside of operations, but like we [00:07:00] have an Atlantic operators group that gathers together and has a chat just sometimes, usually there's a focus topic, but then we have, oh, how do you guys deal with the storm that came through? Or that sort of thing, or what, what do you do for if you need a new blade or has anyone got a good vendor for this thing or that thing? Those sorts of things always happen in the margins. And I mean, the ops summit is the, the best one of those because it's the entire Canadian industry that gets together. We've got folks from bc, we've got folks from Atlantic Canada, there's gonna be people from Quebec, and there's vendors from all those places as well. Right? So. It's covering all your bases and it's the one place that you can talk to everybody and meet everybody in like a 48 hour period.  Joel Saxum: Well, I think that if, you know, just doing a little bit of deep dive into the agenda and the program here, that's one of the things that you guys are focusing on. Targeted networking. So morning breakfasts, evening receptions, there, you know, structured and informal, uh, opportunities to actually connect with the o and m [00:08:00] community. Um, one of them that you had mentioned was kind of, um. Hands-on demonstrations and, and for me, when, when I see these things, 'cause I've seen them kind of slightly not, I don't think I've ever seen anybody do it perfectly well. I'm excited to see what you guys do. But you get, you get a group of people standing around, like you get people kind of standing around. Rubbing elbows going, like, what do you think about that? What is, does this, is this gonna work? And, and those to me are great, great conversations for networking and kind of figu