John Norton: The 300-Year-Old Physics Mistake No One Noticed
1 tim 53 min•27 juni 2025
Professor John Norton dismantles long‑standing assumptions in physics, from Newtonian determinism to the myth of Landauer’s principle. He argues that causation may be illusory, explores the breakdown of classical physics.
0:00 Introduction
3:37 Norton's Dome Explained
6:30 The Misunderstanding of Determinism
9:31 Thermodynamics and Infinite Systems
14:39 Implications for Quantum Mechanics
16:20 Revisiting Causation
18:15 Critique of Causal Metaphysics
20:21 The Utility of Causal Language
24:58 Exploring Thought Experiments
33:05 Landauer's Principle Discussion
49:48 Critique of Experimental Validation
52:25 Consequences for Maxwell's Demon
1:13:34 Einstein's Critiques of Quantum Mechanics
1:28:16 The Nature of Scientific Discovery
1:42:56 Inductive Inferences in Science
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- Causation as Folk Science (paper): https://sites.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/papers/003004.pdf
- Lipschitz continuity (wiki): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipschitz_continuity
- The Dome: An Unexpectedly Simple Failure of Determinism (paper): https://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/2943/1/Norton.pdf
- Norton’s Dome (wiki): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norton%27s_dome
- Approximation and Idealization (paper): https://sites.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/papers/Ideal_Approx_final.pdf
- On the Quantum Theory of Radiation (paper): https://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/scientists/einstein/1917_Radiation.pdf
- Making Things Happen (book): https://ccc.inaoep.mx/~esucar/Clases-mgc/Making-Things-Happen-A-Theory-of-Causal-Explanation.pdf
- Causation in Physics (wiki): https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/causation-physics/
- Laboratory of the Mind (paper): https://www.academia.edu/2644953/REVIEW_James_R_Brown_Laboratory_of_the_Mind
- Roger Penrose on TOE: https://youtu.be/sGm505TFMbU
- Ted Jacobson on TOE: https://youtu.be/3mhctWlXyV8
- The Thermodynamics of Computation (paper): https://sites.cc.gatech.edu/computing/nano/documents/Bennett%20-%20The%20Thermodynamics%20Of%20Computation.pdf
- What's Actually Possible? (article): https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/the-unexamined-in-principle
- On a Decrease of Entropy in a Thermodynamic System (paper): https://fab.cba.mit.edu/classes/862.22/notes/computation/Szilard-1929.pdf
- Landauer's principle and thermodynamics (article): https://www.nature.com/articles/nature10872
- The Logical Inconsistency of Old Quantum Theory of Black Body Radiation (paper): https://sites.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/papers/Inconsistency_OQT.pdf
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0:00 Introduction
3:37 Norton's Dome Explained
6:30 The Misunderstanding of Determinism
9:31 Thermodynamics and Infinite Systems
14:39 Implications for Quantum Mechanics
16:20 Revisiting Causation
18:15 Critique of Causal Metaphysics
20:21 The Utility of Causal Language
24:58 Exploring Thought Experiments
33:05 Landauer's Principle Discussion
49:48 Critique of Experimental Validation
52:25 Consequences for Maxwell's Demon
1:13:34 Einstein's Critiques of Quantum Mechanics
1:28:16 The Nature of Scientific Discovery
1:42:56 Inductive Inferences in Science
SPONSORS:
- I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE
RESOURCES:
- Join My New Substack (Personal Writings): https://curtjaimungal.substack.com
- Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e
- A Primer on Determinism (book): https://amzn.to/45Jn3b4
- John Norton’s papers: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=UDteMFoAAAAJ
- Causation as Folk Science (paper): https://sites.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/papers/003004.pdf
- Lipschitz continuity (wiki): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipschitz_continuity
- The Dome: An Unexpectedly Simple Failure of Determinism (paper): https://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/2943/1/Norton.pdf
- Norton’s Dome (wiki): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norton%27s_dome
- Approximation and Idealization (paper): https://sites.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/papers/Ideal_Approx_final.pdf
- On the Quantum Theory of Radiation (paper): https://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/scientists/einstein/1917_Radiation.pdf
- Making Things Happen (book): https://ccc.inaoep.mx/~esucar/Clases-mgc/Making-Things-Happen-A-Theory-of-Causal-Explanation.pdf
- Causation in Physics (wiki): https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/causation-physics/
- Laboratory of the Mind (paper): https://www.academia.edu/2644953/REVIEW_James_R_Brown_Laboratory_of_the_Mind
- Roger Penrose on TOE: https://youtu.be/sGm505TFMbU
- Ted Jacobson on TOE: https://youtu.be/3mhctWlXyV8
- The Thermodynamics of Computation (paper): https://sites.cc.gatech.edu/computing/nano/documents/Bennett%20-%20The%20Thermodynamics%20Of%20Computation.pdf
- What's Actually Possible? (article): https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/the-unexamined-in-principle
- On a Decrease of Entropy in a Thermodynamic System (paper): https://fab.cba.mit.edu/classes/862.22/notes/computation/Szilard-1929.pdf
- Landauer's principle and thermodynamics (article): https://www.nature.com/articles/nature10872
- The Logical Inconsistency of Old Quantum Theory of Black Body Radiation (paper): https://sites.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/papers/Inconsistency_OQT.pdf
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