Joscha Bach and John Vervaeke: Mind, Idealism, and Computation
3 tim 5 min•18 januari 2022
Joscha Bach and John Vervaeke explore the nature of mind, idealism, consciousness, and computation, debating the limits of science and the reality of simulation. They dissect qualia, dualism, and the meaning crisis while questioning ontology and the foundations of physics.
0:00 Introduction
4:26 Behind the scenes conversation
5:48 Joscha on John's work
6:52 John on Joscha's work
8:58 Defining consciousness, sentience, mind, self
17:39 Primary qualia vs experience of qualia
25:00 Science vs Joscha's simulated consciousness model
34:55 Solution to Dualism
35:52 Psychedelic trips mistaken for idealism
40:55 Not experiencing the physical world
42:30 Skepticism and solipsism problem
52:11 What is rationality?
55:17 Mysterianism and epistemic boundedness
1:00:38 Boundaries of consciousness
1:07:08 What is real? Ontology discussion
1:22:15 Simulation and Plato's cave
1:27:25 Gods as personality archetypes
1:29:32 Physics less real than the Forms
1:43:58 Academia undervalues dialogue
1:57:57 Is truth always good?
2:01:45 The meaning crisis
2:11:55 Past views changed
2:16:17 Consciousness as a government
2:21:16 Donald Hoffman: Is spacetime fundamental?
2:30:40 Sad Face: Chinese room thought experiment
2:36:08 Software as physical law
2:43:45 Zanthius: Why should simulation feel anything?
2:52:43 Anil Seth: Is consciousness substrate independent?
2:55:31 Curt answers audience questions
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0:00 Introduction
4:26 Behind the scenes conversation
5:48 Joscha on John's work
6:52 John on Joscha's work
8:58 Defining consciousness, sentience, mind, self
17:39 Primary qualia vs experience of qualia
25:00 Science vs Joscha's simulated consciousness model
34:55 Solution to Dualism
35:52 Psychedelic trips mistaken for idealism
40:55 Not experiencing the physical world
42:30 Skepticism and solipsism problem
52:11 What is rationality?
55:17 Mysterianism and epistemic boundedness
1:00:38 Boundaries of consciousness
1:07:08 What is real? Ontology discussion
1:22:15 Simulation and Plato's cave
1:27:25 Gods as personality archetypes
1:29:32 Physics less real than the Forms
1:43:58 Academia undervalues dialogue
1:57:57 Is truth always good?
2:01:45 The meaning crisis
2:11:55 Past views changed
2:16:17 Consciousness as a government
2:21:16 Donald Hoffman: Is spacetime fundamental?
2:30:40 Sad Face: Chinese room thought experiment
2:36:08 Software as physical law
2:43:45 Zanthius: Why should simulation feel anything?
2:52:43 Anil Seth: Is consciousness substrate independent?
2:55:31 Curt answers audience questions
SPONSORS:
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- Brilliant: 20% off at https://brilliant.org/TOE
- Algo Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9IfRw1QaTglRoX0sN11AQQ
- Algo website: https://www.algo.com/
RESOURCES:
- YouTube link: https://youtu.be/rK7ux_JhHM4
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- Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs
- iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802
- Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP
- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e
- Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything
- John Vervaeke's Meaning Crisis series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ
- Joscha Bach's Twitter: https://twitter.com/Plinz
- Better Left Unsaid film: http://betterleftunsaidfilm.com
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