Joscha Bach and John Vervaeke: Mind, Idealism, and Computation

Joscha Bach and John Vervaeke explore the nature of mind, idealism, consciousness, and computation, debating the limits of science and the reality of simulation. They dissect qualia, dualism, and the meaning crisis while questioning ontology and the foundations of physics.- 00:00:00 - Introduction- 00:04:26 - Behind the scenes conversation- 00:05:48 - Joscha on John's work- 00:06:52 - John on Joscha's work- 00:08:58 - Defining consciousness, sentience, mind, self- 00:17:39 - Primary qualia vs experience of qualia- 00:25:00 - Science vs Joscha's simulated consciousness model- 00:34:55 - Solution to Dualism- 00:35:52 - Psychedelic trips mistaken for idealism- 00:40:55 - Not experiencing the physical world- 00:42:30 - Skepticism and solipsism problem- 00:52:11 - What is rationality?- 00:55:17 - Mysterianism and epistemic boundedness- 01:00:38 - Boundaries of consciousness- 01:07:08 - What is real? Ontology discussion- 01:22:15 - Simulation and Plato's cave- 01:27:25 - Gods as personality archetypes- 01:29:32 - Physics less real than the Forms- 01:43:58 - Academia undervalues dialogue- 01:57:57 - Is truth always good?- 02:01:45 - The meaning crisis- 02:11:55 - Past views changed- 02:16:17 - Consciousness as a government- 02:21:16 - Donald Hoffman: Is spacetime fundamental?- 02:30:40 - Sad Face: Chinese room thought experiment- 02:36:08 - Software as physical law- 02:43:45 - Zanthius: Why should simulation feel anything?- 02:52:43 - Anil Seth: Is consciousness substrate independent?- 02:55:31 - Curt answers audience questionsSPONSORS:- The Anagoge Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/AnagogePodcast- Brilliant: 20% off at https://brilliant.org/TOE- Algo Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9IfRw1QaTglRoX0sN11AQQ- Algo website: https://www.algo.com/RESOURCES:- YouTube link: https://youtu.be/rK7ux_JhHM4- Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal- Crypto: 3CSm4FH6975J8wvKp8x8BSefH6QCVuk736- PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE- Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt- Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs- iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802- Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e- Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything- John Vervaeke's Meaning Crisis series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ- Joscha Bach's Twitter: https://twitter.com/Plinz- Better Left Unsaid film: http://betterleftunsaidfilm.com Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. SPONSOR: I subscribe to The Economist for their science and tech coverage. As a TOE listener, get 35% off! No other podcast has this: https://economist.com/TOE FOLLOW: Substack | Spotify | YouTube | Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices