L&O: Who'd kill to score a reality show? Jim Gaffigan or the Octomom?

The mother of ten adopted children with special needs is murdered. Lupo and Bernard find she was reluctant to star in the reality show her husband (played by Jim Gaffigan) wanted to do...and next in line is another mom of ten - including septuplets - determined to get the show. Later, Rubirosa gets burned by reality TV.

We're talking about Law & Order season 20 episode 4 Reality Bites. Our guest is Tara Ariano from the Extra Hot Great podcast.

This episode takes some inspiration from the story of the so-called "Octomom," Nadya Sulema.

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This show was recorded in The Caitlin Rogers Project Studio. Click to find out more.

About the show: These Are Their Stories is the comedy TV & Film aftershow where Kevin Flynn and Rebecca Lavoie recap the most iconic episodes of “Law & Order,” “SVU,” and “Criminal Intent,” breaking down the case, the cast, the real‑world crime, and the entire Dick Wolf universe.

From the creators of Crime Writers On, the original true‑crime review show.

Keywords: Law & Order, SVU, Criminal Intent, Dick Wolf universe, TV & Film aftershow, true‑crime commentary, comedy podcast, police procedural, Crime Writers On, Partners in Crime Media

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