This is a very special episode with the New York Times "Modern Love" column editor Daniel Jones, the "Modern Love" contributor and author, Deborah Copaken, and the two subjects of Deb's essay, Justin and Kate McLeod. The essay is featured in the new book, MODERN LOVE: TRUE STORIES OF LOVE, LOSS AND REDEMPTION, and will be episode 2 of the Amazon TV series debuting on October 18th!
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