UAP EP 137 "Debriefing" with Chris Ramsey

Famous magician and UFO investigator, Chris Ramsey of the "Debriefed" podcast, joins Stephen Diener for a unique and wide ranging discussion about the alien phenomenon. What are the best cases? How does remote viewing play into it all? And what are the similarities between magic and how the UFO topic is covered? All of this and so much more in this very fun episode...

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