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David de Jong on his book Nazi Billionaires and his call for Historical Transparency from Families that control brands like BMW, Porsche, Volkswagen, Dr. Oetker, Bahlsen, Allianz and Munich Re

57 min•10 juli 2022

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Show Notes:

3:30 overview of Nazi Billionaires

5:15 families included in Nazi Billionaires control companies like BMW and Porche whitewashing patriarchs’ legacies

6:15 moral and historical reconstruction – acknowledging what’s transpired in history

9:00 Quandt dynasty and BMW Group

10:00 Flick dynasty and Daimler-Benz

11:10: Von Finck and Allianz and Munich Re 

11:45 Porsche-Piëch - Volkswagen, Porsche, Bentley                                                       

13:40 Oetkers - baking powder, cake mixes, Germany’s largest beer brewery, one of Europe’s largest sparkling wine manufacturers, luxury hotels

14:00 Flick’s conviction of war crimes and post-war business success

19:20 Flick released on good behavior and saw himself as wrongfully convicted

20:30 Ferry Porsche’s autobiography We At Porsche

22:30 Rosenberger’s post-war settlement with Porsche

23:30 Porsche Sales & Marketing Representative Joachim Peiper’s death sentence commuted for the Malmedy Massacre of U.S. Army POWs

24:45 English version of We At Porsche

25:30 German version of We At Porsche

26:00 Porsche AG spokesperson and head of Porsche Foundation Dr. Sebastian Rudolph 

28:30 research for Nazi Billionaires for 4 years starting in 2017 

29:00 archive availability and Fold 3 access

30:30 German academic reporting of Nazi family histories

32:00 breadth and depth of families’ collaboration with Third Reich

33:00 Reimann family emerge in 2019 as Germany’s second wealthiest family 

36:50 Reimann family’s Alfred Landecker Foundation 

38:20 German family Bahlsen’s study expected summer 2023

39:20 ignorant remarks by Verena Bahlsen

41:00 how current ignorance and historical distortion are related to overlooking war crimes

41:50 dynasties’ lean on notion of collective guilt

46:00 de Jong’s family experience 

47:00 Artist Max van Dam

49:30 his family experience makes him mindful of history 

51:00 his motivation to get these stories out

51:50 plans for a second book about dynasties that shaped the U.S. and the Netherlands 

52:50 evolution of his definition of justice over the course of writing Nazi Billionaires


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