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When Will They Learn?
When Will They Learn?

Episode #16 A Load of ACPUE

1 tim 4 min3 september 2026

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Disclaimer: The details of what is known about ACPUE were true at the time of recording this episode. Since recording and release, more details may have come to light.

In this episode, Greg and Caiti talk about researchED Canberra - including propellors on planes, pies, and some of the main takeaways from the day, particularly focusing on what it actually takes to make schoolwide change happen.

From there, we shift to Jenny Donovan’s keynote presentation on writing, which sends us directly into a conversation about AERO and the Australian Centre for the Public Understanding of Education, or ACPUE. Who are ACPUE? Where did they come from? What does this have to do with AERO? We discuss all of these questions, and why these, and broader transparency and research integrity matter so much.

Finally, we finish with a conversation about lethal mutations, drawing on an article by Dr Haili Hughes. We chat about what they are, how good ideas can become distorted and some common examples of lethal mutations in the classroom.

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Greg Ashman

Greg is a school leader at Ballarat Clarendon College and holds a PhD in instructional design from UNSW.

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Caiti Wade

Caiti is a leader of pedagogy at a boys’ secondary school in Brisbane, education consultant and is doing her doctorate in cognitive science.

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Episode resources

* No Capitals in the Capital: Caiti’s Summary of researchED Canberra | The Disruptive Educator

* AERO’s School writing instruction framework resources

* Brendan Lee on Different Types of Learning | Brendan Lee

* Attacking AERO the pedantic way | Greg Ashman, Filling the Pail

* Who is behind the Australian Centre for the Public Understanding of Education? | Greg Ashman, Filling the Pail

* what’s the deal with acpue? | Caiti Wade, The Disruptive Educator

* How students learn best: An overview of the evidence | by AERO | “A really great read” to quote Caiti

* The Australian Centre for the Public Understanding of Education Website

* Lethal Mutations in the Classroom: When Good Techniques Go Bad | Dr Haili Hughes Substack

Acknowledgement of country

We would like to acknowledge The Traditional Custodians of the lands on which we record this podcast, the lands of the Wadawurrung People, and the lands of the Jagera and Turrbal Peoples, and pay our respects to Elders past, present and emerging.



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