John and Naomi discuss their journey in helping people recover from controlling religious environments. Naomi shares how her organization, BeEmboldened, has expanded mentoring services and created trauma-informed spaces where survivors can rebuild trust in community. They reflect on the challenges of helping people process complex emotions like grief, fear, and social anxiety after leaving spiritually manipulative groups. Both agree that support needs to be relational and gentle, not agenda-driven or forced, especially for those still triggered by certain religious phrases or environments.
They go on to unpack some of their biggest frustrations with how mainstream religious communities respond to survivors. Naomi criticizes the misuse of scripture and common catchphrases like "under proper authority," while John warns against the idea of "accidental demons" and spiritual paranoia. Together, they emphasize the importance of real psychological support, spiritual patience, and trauma-informed education for churches that want to help. They conclude with reflections on empathy, compassion, and the long-term work of restoration—along with an invitation to Naomi's upcoming in-person event for those seeking safe connection.
BeEmboldened: https://www.beemboldened.com
Living Out Freedom Conference: https://www.beemboldened.com/lof
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Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:
Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962
Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K
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