How Steven Curtis Chapman’s Marriage Survived the Unthinkable

Steven Curtis Chapman and Mary Beth Chapman have been married for more than four decades, but they'll be the first to tell you it hasn't been a fairy tale.

In this deeply honest conversation, Steven and Mary Beth join Rita to talk about the differences that once led a counselor to say they had “no business being married,” the devastating loss of their youngest daughter, Mary Beth's “free fall of faith,” and the decision to keep choosing each other through seasons that could have torn them apart.

They also unpack what they've learned about counseling, surrender, soulmates, parenting adult children, adoption, and discovering the goodness of God in life's darkest places.

Steven and Mary Beth's new book, Still Here: Life Together on the Long Way Home, tells the story of a marriage that isn't perfect, but by the grace of God, is still here.

00:00 Intro

01:08 Meet Steven Curtis Chapman and Mary Beth Chapman

04:13 Why They Wrote "Still Here"

10:21 Why They're Still Here After 41 Years

11:45 What Makes a Marriage Last?

17:08 Sponsor: Amazing Kids Curriculum

18:04 Counseling, Therapy & the Ultimate Counselor

27:20 Learning Surrender in Marriage

31:21 What Is a Soulmate?

33:18 Growing Through Life's Hardest Seasons

35:55 Losing Their Daughter & Holding Onto Faith

39:47 "It's Worth It" — Why They Stayed

42:55 Parenting Through Pain & Letting Go

53:13 Adoption, Show Hope & Seeing the Heart of God

1:01:07 How Show Hope Has Helped Over 10,000 Children

1:05:30 Final Thoughts & Where to Find the Book

1:07:03 Marriage, Grandkids & Growing Older Together

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