Attila Yilmaz (Pazar Food Collective) - no visa holder, no business

Attila Yilmaz runs Pazar Food Collective in western Sydney. He employs a lot of visa holders in his restaurant and reckons he wouldn't have a business without them. We chat work rules, life rules, corona rules and how to build a better society. Oh, and oven meat - I'm flying to Sydney for that as soon as my Melbourne germiness allows me.