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We Must Pace The Frontier

1 tim 17 min•14 september 2026

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Zvi examines Dario Amodei’s call to pace the AI frontier, the responses from other industry leaders, and the practical challenges of independent evaluation and coordination. What would meaningful pacing look like, and how would we know it was happening?

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* 00:00 - Introduction

* 02:11 - Pacing Does Not Mean Pausing

* 03:53 - Dario’s First Proposal: Embedded Evaluators

* 11:19 - Dario’s Second Proposal: Democratic Coordination

* 14:48 - Dario’s Third Proposal: Global Coordination

* 17:17 - Why Pace Now?

* 19:11 - Sam Altman Agrees and Commits to Embedded Evaluators

* 24:16 - OpenAI Will Not IPO This Year

* 25:32 - Elon Musk Agrees

* 28:17 - Demis Hassabis Agrees

* 28:49 - Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella Agrees And Talks His Book

* 30:50 - Anthropic’s Long-Term Benefit Trust Is On Board

* 31:48 - General Online Reactions

* 33:32 - Mainstream Press Coverage

* 36:22 - OpenAI Researcher Explains What The Labs See And It’s a Rocket Ship

* 44:59 - Consider the Alternative

* 46:27 - It’s Totalitarianism, Joe

* 51:44 - Yes We’re The Baddies How Did You Know?

* 53:03 - Sometimes People On the Internet Just Lie

* 54:27 - David Sacks Groks The Situation

* 55:21 - David Sacks Says Go Ahead

* 57:01 - Lies and Confusions About Who Previously Claimed What

* 01:01:23 - House Speaker Mike Johnson Wants To Lock Everyone In a Room

* 01:06:14 - Donald Trump is Not Tired of Winning

* 01:10:58 - We Must Avoid Polarization on AI at (Almost) All Costs

* 01:11:33 - How Will We Know If They Actually Paced?

* 01:14:46 - The Real Frontier Is Internal Models At Top Labs

https://thezvi.substack.com/p/we-must-pace-the-frontier



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