Radio Free Mormon tackles sticky issues in Mormonism by performing a historical and contextual analysis of various tough issues within Mormonism and diving deep into the data. Radio Free Mormon was the 2018 Brodie Award winner for Best New Podcast!!!!
Mormonism uses many thinking errors to promote its message. RFM sits down with Dr. Randy Bell and Kolby Reddish, Esq., to identify the top twelve logical fallacies, together with examples from Mormon sources! This will be a lot of fun!
Who really was Joseph Smith? When one peels back the layers of legend and legacy to explore the life of Mormonism’s controversial founder, a far more complex and human figure emerges—part visionary, part rebel, and entirely unlike the sanitized version told in Sunday School. From buried golden plates and seer stones to secret plural marriages and clashes with the law, this conversation reveals the man behind the movement. Was he a prophet inspired by God—or a charismatic charlatan driven by ambition? Whether you’re a faithful Latter-day Saint, a curious seeker, or someone wrestling with LDS beliefs, this episode offers a compelling, eye-opening look at the man who started it all—and it just might change the way you see Mormonism forever. Join Us In Person – August 2nd, 2025RFM & Bill are gathering in person for a powerful, community-building event in Salt Lake City! Grab your spot before tickets run out:
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Of all the misleading tactics used by Latter-day Saint apologists, this one might just take the crown. It’s sneaky, it’s calculated—and even after being called out repeatedly, they still keep doing it. Why? Because when it comes to defending Mormonism and the LDS Church, it seems the ends justify any means. But not this time. We’re calling it out publicly—and you need to see it for yourself.
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The Nephite monetary system is a weak spot in the Book of Mormon narrative. It rarely gets discussed because it is so infrequently studied. RFM is going to change all that with this episode, in which he takes a deep dive into the Nephite monetary system, only to find that it has more problems than solutions.
In this episode of Mormonism Live, Bill Reel and Radio Free Mormon dive headfirst into the Church’s newest official Gospel Topics entry on the Book of Abraham, dissecting its language, implications, and apologetic framing. With surgical precision (and just a bit of satire), they explore how the Church attempts to repackage decades of controversy surrounding Joseph Smith’s translation claims, the missing scroll theory, and the pivot to the “catalyst theory.” Listeners will be taken through the subtle rhetorical maneuvers in the essay—how it avoids hard declarations, redefines “translation,” and leans on ambiguity to keep belief afloat. The hosts also unpack the broader trend of shifting responsibility from prophetic certainty to scholarly speculation, while comparing this essay with past statements and apologetic strategies. This is not just a history lesson—it’s a real-time case study in institutional narrative management. For anyone who’s ever wondered how a modern-day church tries to make a 19th-century Egyptian fiasco feel “faith-promoting,” this episode is a must-listen.
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Attorneys RFM and Kolby Reddish tackle chapter 8 of the Light on Truth Letter titled, “Fruits of the Church.” The entire chapter is a logical fallacy!
In this powerful episode of Radio Free Mormon, six bold and insightful women join RFM to dissect the explosive “Women in the Church” chapter from Austin Fife’s controversial Light and Truth Letter. With raw honesty and lived experience, these women share how the Church’s teachings on gender have shaped—and in many cases, harmed—their spiritual journeys, relationships, and sense of self. Together, they expose the psychological toll of patriarchy dressed up as revelation, confront long-standing cultural assumptions, and offer a window into what true spiritual autonomy looks like. This isn’t theory—this is real Mormon women, telling the truth.
Discovered by accident in a desert cave, the Dead Sea Scrolls have become one of the most significant archaeological finds of the last century. But what do they actually say—and why do they matter? In this episode, we explore the strange, surprising, and deeply revealing world of the scrolls: hidden prophecies, rival messiahs, priesthood power struggles, sacred meals, and apocalyptic expectations. Whether you’re fascinated by ancient scripture, curious about early religious movements, or wondering how it all connects to Mormonism, this episode pulls back the curtain on one of history’s greatest textual mysteries.
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EXPOSED: LDS Church & Tax Filing Fraud?
In this special edition of Mormonism Live, we uncover stunning new evidence that suggests the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints may have violated U.S. tax laws—intentionally.
From questionable filings to shell entities and hidden assets, this episode lays out what we’ve found, why it matters, and what legal consequences the Church could face if the IRS takes action.
We follow the paper trail, examine public records, and reveal the patterns that point to a systemic problem far beyond “clerical error.”
Is this financial mismanagement—or deliberate deception?
How deep does it go? Who’s behind it? And what happens next?
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Is the Book of Abraham based on papyrus we no longer have? In this episode, we explore the Missing Scroll Theory—the idea that Joseph Smith translated the Book of Abraham from a long roll of papyrus that has since been lost or destroyed. We’ll examine the historical records, including firsthand accounts from early Saints like Lucy Mack Smith, who described a distinct long scroll separate from the surviving fragments. Apologists argue this missing roll may still vindicate Joseph’s translation. Critics say the theory is a modern invention meant to rescue a narrative that doesn’t fit the evidence. Join us as we unpack the assumptions, the math, and the motives behind the Missing Scroll Theory.
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In this episode of Mormonism Live, Radio Free Mormon (Bill is on vacation) dives headfirst into the growing tension between scientific discovery and Mormon doctrine. When it comes to mormonism in the modern world, science keeps raising its hand with uncomfortable questions. The LDS Church, meanwhile, continues to insist it has the answers… or at least that it’s “not official doctrine” when the answers don’t hold up. Tune in as we put the truth claims of Mormonism under the microscope.
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RFM and Kolby Reddish continue their decimation of Austin Fife’s Light on Truth Letter. This episode covers a litany of Mormon “proofs” in chapter seven titled, “How Did Joseph Smith Know?” The short answer is that Joseph Smith didn’t really know much at all, and this episode shows why!
Kolby Reddish and I continue our in-depth debunking of Austin Fife’s Light on Truth Letter. Tonight is Chapter Six’s turn on the chopping block. In it we show how obviously it is that the Book of Mormon was created in the early nineteenth century. As in, there’s no doubt about it!
What happens when a celebrated war hero, beloved by both Congress and the LDS Church, turns out to be living a lie? In this episode of Mormonism Live, we investigate the incredible true story of Douglas Stringfellow — a Utah congressman, decorated veteran, and rising star in postwar America… until it all came crashing down. Join us as we uncover a decades-old scandal that raises timeless questions about truth, trust, and the power of a really good story. You won’t believe how far this deception went — or who may have looked the other way. Help support Bill Reel & Radio Free Mormon in making informative entertaining content that shines a light on truth and leads with transparency.
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Every Mormon alive can tell you without hesitation about the Godhead; how there are three members in the Godhead, the Father and the Son, with bodies of flesh and bones, and the Holy Ghost with a body of spirit. What most Mormons are not aware of, however, is that Joseph Smith taught a radically different doctrine of the Godhead before this version. And on top of that, Joseph Smith taught that you had to believe in the earlier version of the Godhead in order to be saved. Which would seem to mean that any Mormon who believes in a different version of the Godhead will not be saved, or other words, will be damned. This is the story of the Lectures on Faith. And this is the story of why it is all Mormons go to hell!
In this eye-opening episode of Mormonism Live, hosts Bill Reel and Radio Free Mormon are joined by author and theologian Charley Harrell to explore his powerful Dialogue Journal article, “John Taylor on the ‘Dark Ages’.” Together, they take a deep dive into how third LDS Church President John Taylor challenged the traditional narrative of the Great Apostasy—offering a radically different view of the Middle Ages, where spiritual gifts and divine revelation still thrived. Was there really a total apostasy after the death of Christ, or have we misunderstood what “spiritual darkness” means? Harrell examines Taylor’s 1873 discourse, revealing that the LDS prophet acknowledged divine influence and religious truth outside of Mormonism—even among Christian mystics and thinkers during the so-called “Dark Ages.” This conversation reframes the LDS Church’s apostasy narrative, opens the door to interfaith spirituality, and raises critical questions about revelation, church authority, and doctrinal evolution. Whether you’re a believing Latter-day Saint, a post-Mormon, or simply curious about Christian history and theology, this episode offers compelling insights that challenge conventional Mormon teachings.
What do you get when you mix Mormon folklore, an angelic visitation, and a supposed Nephite treasure buried in a Utah hillside? You get one of the strangest, most persistent sagas in LDS history: the story of John Hyrum Koyle and the Dream Mine. In this episode, we dig into the bizarre and fascinating tale of a humble Mormon bishop who claimed Angel Moroni showed him an ancient gold cache meant to rescue the Church in the last days. From visions and prophecies to excommunication and conspiracy, the Dream Mine became a battleground between grassroots revelation and institutional control—and it still has believers buying stock today. Join us as we explore the wild intersection of faith, finance, folklore, and failed prophecy. Whether you’re a questioning Mormon, a history nerd, or just here for the gold-digging angels, this is one you don’t want to miss.
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The Book of Mormon tells of a group of giant people named the Jaredites who came to the Americas long ago, direct from the destruction at the tower of Babel. Several extra-biblical elements are mentioned relating to the tower of Babel story, and surprisingly, these stories exist in ancient legends unavailable to Joseph Smith. Well, the original documents were unavailable to Joseph Smith. But Joseph did have access to a certain book in which those legends were written down. Stay tuned! This one you won’t want to miss!
This episode of Mormonism Live, we dive into a forgotten battlefield of Utah history — the Black Hawk War — a brutal and devastating conflict between Mormon settlers and Native American tribes that has been largely buried under pioneer myths and whitewashed storytelling. Far from a few isolated raids, the Black Hawk War (1865–1872) was Utah’s deadliest and most destructive conflict, costing hundreds of lives, displacing entire tribes, and forcing Mormon settlements to be abandoned across southern Utah. We’ll explore how this violent chapter unfolded, why the LDS Church worked so hard to minimize it, and the staggering story of Antonga Black Hawk — the baptized Ute leader who fought for his people’s survival and whose remains were later put on public display like a trophy. In this episode, we ask the uncomfortable questions: How did religious manifest destiny fuel the bloodshed? Why was this “war” covered up for so long? And what does reckoning with this history reveal about Mormonism’s legacy of colonization? Get ready — this is the real Mormon history they never taught you in Sunday School.
A fake email account bearing Bill Reel’s name was used to manipulate and deceive—an incident that has raised serious questions about digital ethics, privacy violations, and personal targeting within the post-Mormon space. In this episode, we break down what happened, how the deception unfolded, and why the details point in a very specific direction. From curious inconsistencies to insider-level knowledge, the clues reveal more than the perpetrator may have intended. We’ll walk you through the timeline, the evidence we’ve collected, and the larger implications for trust and accountability in our community. This isn’t just a personal issue—it’s a story that reflects the lengths some will go to silence or sabotage others. Join us as we put the puzzle pieces together and invite you to consider what the facts reveal.
When Joseph Smith died in 1844, the Restoration shattered like a glass dropped from heaven. What followed was a century-spanning explosion of rival prophets, breakaway churches, polygamist kingdoms, angelic messages, and more than one self-crowned king.
In this episode of Mormonism Live, Bill Reel and Radio Free Mormon take you on a deep dive into the wild and fractured world of LDS splinter groups. From the well-known Community of Christ and FLDS to obscure sects like the Cutlerites, Strangites, Bickertonites, and Church of the Firstborn of the Lamb of God, we explore who these groups are, what they believe, and why they broke away from the main LDS Church.
We’ll examine their truth claims, theological quirks, and historical oddities—temple rites in basements, prophets behind bars, reincarnated Nephites, and the never-ending quest for Zion. Whether you’re a seasoned ex-Mormon or just religion-curious, this episode unpacks the Restoration’s lesser-known heirs with humor, history, and a healthy dose of skepticism.
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The more research that comes out, the less the Book of Mormon looks like an ancient historical document, and the more it looks like a modern composition. Join Radio Free Mormon as he explodes yet another apologetic argument in favor of the Book of Mormon!
[Mormonism Live: 227] Welcome to the alternate reality where Joseph Smith never practiced polygamy, the angels with swords were just metaphors, and dozens of wives—including teenagers and already-married women—somehow just… didn’t exist. In this week’s episode of Mormonism Live, Bill Reel and Radio Free Mormon are joined by Mormonism Historian Dan Vogel as they dive headfirst into the bizarre and baffling claims of the “Polygamy Deniers”—a fringe group, but growing number of Mormon defenders who insist, against overwhelming historical evidence, that Joseph Smith was monogamous. Armed with logic, primary sources, and just the right amount of snark, we dismantle the contorted reasoning and cherry-picked narratives that fuel this historical revisionism.
Why deny what the historical record screams? What tactics do these deniers use to twist facts into faith-promoting fiction? And why does this matter for modern Mormonism? Join us for a wild ride through the land of bad apologetics, historical amnesia, and the desperate need to preserve a prophet’s purity—no matter the cost to truth. This is one you won’t want to miss.
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Evidence Joseph Smith Practiced Polygamy
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Child abuse is rampant in the Mormon Church. You can’t go a week without seeing a new case reported in the Utah newspapers. Austin Fife devotes a whole chapter to the issue in his LIght and Truth Letter. Now, RFM and his faithful attorney companion, Kolby Reddish, demolish these lame excuses, with the help of a special guest. Together they dismantle the Light and Truth Letter point by point!
Mormonism & The Charles Anthon Affair
The Strange Meeting That Shaped a Scripture In this episode, we unravel one of the most curious and consequential moments in early Mormon history: the mysterious encounter between Martin Harris and Professor Charles Anthon. Was it a miraculous fulfillment of prophecy… or a carefully staged attempt to lend scholarly credibility to Joseph Smith’s golden plates? We dive into: The origins of the Anthon Transcript and the infamous “Caractors” document Conflicting accounts: Harris’s prophetic tale vs. Anthon’s fraud accusation The strange mix of languages alleged on the Book of Mormon—Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, Arabic—and what they really meant A compelling theory: Did Joseph Smith lift characters from Adam Clarke’s Bible commentary to impress the experts? Join us as we explore the tangled web of faith, deception, and linguistic sleight of hand that helped launch a movement. Was Professor Anthon duped? Did Harris hear what he wanted to hear? And could this whole event have been engineered to fulfill Isaiah’s “sealed book” prophecy? This is Mormonism & The Charles Anthon Affair — and the questions it raises are just as fascinating as the answers.
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Coverage of the April 2025 Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ Sunday Afternoon General Conference Session. The talks are over, the applause has faded, and the teleprompters have gone to sleep. Now it’s time for something unscripted.
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In this episode of Radio Free Mormon, we take a deep dive into the April 2025 Sunday Afternoon LDS General Conference — exploring the messages, the moments, and the meaning behind the words. If you watched with faith, frustration, or just morbid curiosity, we’ve got you covered with a take that’s thoughtful, grounded, and unafraid to ask the harder questions.
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Coverage of the April 2025 Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ Sunday Morning General Conference Session. The talks are over, the applause has faded, and the teleprompters have gone to sleep. Now it’s time for something unscripted.
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In this episode of Radio Free Mormon, we take a deep dive into the April 2025 Sunday Morning LDS General Conference — exploring the messages, the moments, and the meaning behind the words. Whether you felt uplifted, unsettled, or just unsure what to make of it all, you’re in the right place for honest, intelligent analysis that digs deeper.
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Coverage of the April 2025 Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ Saturday Evening General Conference Session. The dust has settled, the teleprompters are cooling down, and the Tabernacle has gone quiet once more. Now it’s time for the real analysis.
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In this episode of Radio Free Mormon, we take a deep dive into the April 2025 Saturday Evening LDS General Conference — exploring the messages, the moments, and the meaning behind the words. Whether you found comfort, confusion, inspiration, or a raised eyebrow, this is the place for thoughtful, unflinching, and occasionally humorous commentary that goes beyond the headlines.
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Coverage of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ Saturday Afternoon General Conference. The dust has settled, the teleprompters are cooling down, and the Tabernacle has gone quiet once more. Now it’s time for the real analysis.
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In this episode of Radio Free Mormon, we take a deep dive into the April 2025 Saturday Afternoon LDS General Conference — exploring the messages, the moments, and the meaning behind the words. Whether you found comfort, confusion, inspiration, or a raised eyebrow, this is the place for thoughtful, unflinching, and occasionally humorous commentary that goes beyond the headlines. Curious what they really said—and didn’t say?
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Coverage of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ Saturday Morning General Conference. The dust has settled, the teleprompters are cooling down, and the Tabernacle has gone quiet once more. Now it’s time for the real analysis. In this episode of Radio Free Mormon, we take a deep dive into the April 2025 Saturday Morning LDS General Conference — exploring the messages, the moments, and the meaning behind the words. Whether you found comfort, confusion, inspiration, or a raised eyebrow, this is the place for thoughtful, unflinching, and occasionally humorous commentary that goes beyond the headlines.
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[Mormonism Live 225] What if one of the most foundational parts of the Book of Mormon wasn’t ancient at all—but lifted from a 19th-century Methodist Bible commentary? In this episode, Mormonism Live dives into what may be the most significant academic finding in Mormon studies in decades: compelling evidence that Joseph Smith used Adam Clarke’s biblical commentary—a massive, scholarly work from the early 1800s—as a source while “translating” Isaiah into the Book of Mormon. Based on Colby Townsend’s stunning new paper, we break down direct textual connections, show how Smith edited Isaiah using Clarke’s scholarly notes, and explore what this means for the Church’s truth claims, the notion of “translation,” and the very origin story of the Book of Mormon. This episode could change the conversation around Joseph Smith’s methods forever. Don’t miss this deep dive into what looks like the scholarly smoking gun behind one of Mormonism’s sacred texts.
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Colby Townsend’s Paper – https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/jbr-2024-0001/html
Interview with Haley Lemmon Wilson https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/2018/05/haley-lemmon-joseph-smith-translation-revelation-plagiarism
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What happens when your faith tells you that your identity is a flaw to be corrected? In this episode, we sit down with Sam Nieves, a conversion therapy survivor, board member of the Conversion Therapy Survivor Network, and a clinically trained therapist with a background in Cognitive Psychology. Sam takes us deep into his lived experience growing up in Mormonism, where his sexuality and even his skin color were framed through a toxic theology of righteousness. In a LDS/Mormon belief system where “becoming white and delightsome” was once literal doctrine, Sam learned early on to associate purity with whiteness—and straightness. That twisted framework blurred lines in deeply harmful ways, pushing him into the shadows of shame and eventually into conversion therapy. Sam will walk us through the devastating process—how it was initiated, including messaging from MTC leadership, and how it affected his psyche, his sense of self, and his path to healing. This episode doesn’t just expose what goes on behind the closed doors of so-called “conversion therapy”—it empowers vulnerable listeners to recognize red flags and find help. Sam shares insights from both his trauma and his training, offering critical resources and language for anyone caught in similar webs of psychological and spiritual manipulation. Warning: This conversation includes themes of trauma, homophobia, and racial messaging within religious contexts. But it also includes truth, clarity, and hope.
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When Jacob Hansen got called out for his sleight-of-hand tactics, he didn’t offer a defense—he offered a diagnosis: Kolby Reddish and RFM are “psychotic.”
But if anyone’s losing touch with reality, it might be the guy slicing and dicing evidence like a Benihana chef trying to make Book of Mormon logic sizzle.
In this episode, RFM and Kolby turn the tables on Jacob’s latest attempt to revise reality. Watch as the apologetic illusionist gets exposed for doing what he always does: cutting out inconvenient facts, spinning what’s left, and hoping nobody notices the smoke and mirrors. It’s sharp, it’s hilarious, and it’s a masterclass in how not to argue.
Tune in as RFM and Kolby Reddish dismantle the gaslighting—one manipulated “proof” at a time.
Have you ever heard of the Book of Mormon Challenge? It is a way Mormons have of trying to prove the Book of Mormon is true, by challenging a non-believer to write a comparable book in the same amount of time as Joseph Smith used on the Book of Mormon.
Well, it looks like RFM may have done that very thing. Can you imagine what will happen to the apologists if it turns out Radio Free Mormon is the one who beat the Book of Mormon challenge??? They’ll be like those Nazi guys at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark!
How do U.S. churches take advantage of tax exemptions, and should this be allowed? These and other issues are How do U.S. churches take advantage of tax exemptions, and should this be allowed? These and other issues are investigated by filmmaker Nathan Apffel in his upcoming documentary series, “The Religion Business.” And why does Nathan consider the LDS Church to be “the most terrifying” of them all? Join us and find out! [Mormonism Live 223]
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Mormons are taught not to lie. And for the most part, they don’t. One of the only times Mormons will consistently lie to you is when talking about their religion.
Any time a Mormon has to lie (or stretch the truth) to make Mormonism look good, it is completely permissible. I know this may be hard to believe. But we have proof.
We take as an example a Mormon apologist named Jacob Hansen sitting down with non-Mormon Alex O’Connor to discuss Mormonism. We clock Jacob Hansen using deceptive techniques over twenty times with Alex O’Connor to try and make Mormonism look better than it is.
Don’t believe Mormons lie to you about their religion? Here’s the evidence that proves it!
[Mormonism Live 222] Faith, Finances, and Fraud? Buckle up, because this episode dives into one of the wildest financial moments in Mormon history! (And that’s saying a lot) What happens when a prophet ventures into banking? In the 1830s, Joseph Smith and other early Mormon leaders launched the Kirtland Safety Society, a financial institution built on faith, community trust, and a vision of economic independence. But within just a year, the bank collapsed, leaving behind lawsuits, financial ruin, and a crisis of leadership that sent shockwaves through the early Church. In this episode, we explore:
Why Joseph Smith and his followers believed a church-backed bank was the key to building Zion
The economic struggles and high-risk decisions that led to the bank’s rapid downfall
The legal challenges and accusations of fraud that forced Joseph Smith to flee Kirtland
How this financial collapse tested the faith of early believers and reshaped Mormon history Was the Kirtland Safety Society a bold but doomed experiment? A victim of economic turmoil? Or was something more questionable at play? Join us as we unpack the rise and fall of Mormonism’s most infamous financial venture and the lessons it still holds today. No matter where you stand, this is a story worth hearing.
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When a Mormon apologist accidentally broadcasts damning evidence against Joseph Smith, RFM just has to do a show about it! The story is made only the more remarkable when the apologist actually calls the evidence he presents against Joseph Smith “damning.” What apologist would do such a thing? None other than our good friend, Jacob Hansen. Join RFM and Kolby Reddish for an astonishing and hilarious episode!
One correction and one clarification: 1. Jacob’s re-uploaded video is back up now—We couldn’t see it when we recorded yesterday. We encourage people to go watch for themselves. As someone in the comments noted for us, Jacob’s original epilogue DID explain the error he had made regarding the handwriting. Because Jacob had taken his video down when we were recording, we just had access to the clips we played and memory. So our criticism that Jacob didn’t explain what the error was is incorrect–shout out to Bro. Bear in the comments for noting that. Apologies to Jacob for getting that part of our commentary wrong. Because this is a very small part of our commentary regarding transparency, we’ve decided to just note in the comments (with the shout out to Bro. Bear) this correction. Jacob’s epilogue still doesn’t credit who brought his original error to his attention. The larger issue about how very significant facts can change, and the apologists’ conclusion never does, still stands. 2. As Elder Igloo states in the comments, we called this document the Grammar and Alphabet of the Egyptian Language and should have simply called the specific one written by Joseph the “Egyptian Alphabet,” to be more precise.
INSIDE THE LDS CHURCH: CONFIDENTIAL RECORDS & THE SCMC EXPOSED! In this bombshell episode, a former Mormon Church employee who worked with confidential records and the Strengthening Church Members Committee (SCMC) comes forward to expose the behind-the-scenes machinations of the LDS Church. From secret surveillance of members to how the Church tracks and manages dissent, to how the Church handles those who ask their names to be removed, this insider reveals shocking details that the Church doesn’t want you to know.
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[Mormonism Live 220] Bill Reel and RFM sit down with LDS Author Carrie Sweet to discuss her new book “Goodbye Magic Undies” and the journey that brought her to writing it. Book on Amazon – https://www.amazon.com/Goodbye-Magic-Undies-High-Control-Relationships/dp/B0DV7GPKH3/ref=sr_1_1 Help support Bill Reel & Radio Free Mormon in making informative entertaining content that shines a light on truth and leads with transparency.
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RFM presents a recently revealed telephone call recording from Jenn Kamp to a couple of post-Mormons trying to dig up dirt on John Dehlin! You won’t believe it! This you have got to hear with your own ears!
[Mormonism Live 219] Join RFM and Bill Reel in this riff-filled episode of Mormonism Live as they dive into the world of Ward Radio’s recent rhetoric, with special guest “Cultch” from The Cultural Hall Podcast tagging along for the ride. Channeling the playful yet biting tone of Mystery Science Theater 3000, the trio sets up shop in their virtual “theater” and watches as the recent work of Ward Radio rolls in. With a sharp sense of humor and insight, they offer hilarious commentary, deconstructing the often bizarre and troubling language used in the discourse surrounding Mormonism and its critics. Together, they dismantle the rhetoric, shine a light on the underlying messages, and provide their unique take on what’s really being said — all while keeping it light, entertaining, and full of laughs. Get ready for some Mystery Science Theater-style analysis with a Mormon twist, as the trio critiques, mocks, and provides a satirical lens on Ward Radio’s latest antics. Don’t miss out on this witty and insightful episode!
RFM and Kolby Reddish do a deep-dive analysis of Mormon apologist and author of the Light and Truth Letter, Austin Fife.
The Huntsman tithing lawsuit against the LDS Church has now been dismissed by the entire 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
A seasoned lawyer takes you through the ins and outs of the opinion, explaining what happened, why it happened, and what happens next!
[Mormonism Live 218] Is the Latter-day Saint community a safe community? We take a look at that very question and investigate what it would mean and what would it look like if the LDS Church took seriously the Safeguarding of the Latter-day Saints. What can Mormonism learn from accepted Safeguarding practices and what is one group doing to raise awareness of here the Church falls short. https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2025/02/21st-Century-Saints-Info-Pack-Final-Print-Copy-4-1.pdf Help support Bill Reel & Radio Free Mormon in making informative entertaining content that shines a light on truth and leads with transparency.
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In the long and winding court battle between John Dehlin and Jenn Kamp, the trail may be finally coming to a close after three years. RFM has covered this story from the start, and leads you through the final resolution of the matter in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Tacoma. Additionally, we take a somewhat lighthearted tour through the high-points and low-points of this case from its inception. RFM throws in several “behind-the-scenes” stories for the first time for added interest.
For almost 2 centuries, whispers of a deep connection between the Mormon Church and UFO phenomena have circulated, but now, shocking new revelations are coming to light. — Investigative journalists, UFO experts, and ex-intelligence officers such as Ross Coulthart, Steven Greer, and David Grusch— have exposed the global UFO cover-up along with the Government’s Alien technology retrieval effort named the “Legacy Program”. Tonight, a recent discovery takes us deep into the connection of the Mormon Church and the Government Alien Coverup. From Joseph Smith’s celestial visions to secretive modern-day involvement in the UFO disclosure movement, could the Mormon Church be more entangled in extraterrestrial affairs than anyone suspected? A recent major discovery has linked Mormonism to the growing fear of an alien invasion—what does it mean, and why is no one talking about it? Prepare to uncover classified connections, ancient prophecies, The super-secret Legacy Program, and the shocking role that Mormonism may be playing in the UFO phenomenon. SURVEY – Did you like this Episode? https://forms.gle/KRnoGRpa4DS11obH8 #mormonismlive #uap #mormonFor almost 2 centuries, whispers of a deep connection between the Mormon Church and UFO phenomena have circulated, but now, shocking new revelations are coming to light. — Investigative journalists, UFO experts, and ex-intelligence officers such as Ross Coulthart, Steven Greer, and David Grusch— have exposed the global UFO cover-up along with the Government’s Alien technology retrieval effort named the “Legacy Program”. Tonight, a recent discovery takes us deep into the connection of the Mormon Church and the Government Alien Coverup. From Joseph Smith’s celestial visions to secretive modern-day involvement in the UFO disclosure movement, could the Mormon Church be more entangled in extraterrestrial affairs than anyone suspected? A recent major discovery has linked Mormonism to the growing fear of an alien invasion—what does it mean, and why is no one talking about it? Prepare to uncover classified connections, ancient prophecies, The super-secret Legacy Program, and the shocking role that Mormonism may be playing in the UFO phenomenon. SURVEY – Did you like this Episode? https://forms.gle/KRnoGRpa4DS11obH8 #mormonismlive #uap #mormon
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Captain Moroni is one of the most inspiring figures in the Book of Mormon, a true champion of liberty and righteousness. But did you know his story might share surprising parallels with George Washington and the Revolutionary War? In this episode, we explore how Captain Moroni’s unwavering faith, his rallying cry of the Title of Liberty, and his fight for freedom may connect to themes from America’s founding history. Could there be deeper lessons about liberty and divine providence hidden in these connections? You won’t want to miss this thought-provoking discussion that will deepen your appreciation for Joseph Smith’s “Translation” abilities!
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In recent years, Mormon apologists have begun to argue that LGBTQ+ people are better off inside the LDS church than outside the LDS church. Even our good friend, Austin Fife, mentions it in a chapter of his Light and Truth Letter. Is there any truth to this startling declaration, or is it just one more deception in a long list of deceptions by defenders of the LDS church? Join us and find out on this very important episode of Radio Free Mormon.
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In this explosive episode of Mormonism Live, RFM and Bill Reel are joined by Professor Spencer Anderson from the Widow’s Mite Report to uncover the financial secrets the LDS Church doesn’t want you to know. Brace yourself as we dive deep into the shadowy corners of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ financial reserve and assets and what we find might shock you!!!!
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The deeper you dive into the Book of Mormon, the more you find. RFM and Bill Reel are joined by Ganesh Cherian to take a deep dive in the Book of Mormon. But beware as these waters are infested with creatures that take big bites out of Book of Mormon historicity.
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Mormons believe it is okay to lie to you in order to make Mormonism look better.
This is the unwritten order of things in Mormonism.
Don’t believe it? Just listen to this episode! It is mind-blowing!
Want to know how Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon? Well in this episode of Mormonism Live we take at face value what Terryl Givens, one of the LDS Church’s most renowned apologists, says about that very thing.
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Top Mormon apologists believe ghosts were involved in translating the Book of Mormon! I am not making this up!
This is their story—a story apologists would rather not be told!
When RFM debated the Midnight Mormons in November of 2021, Kwaku El tried to malign RFM by bringing up a case RFM had worked on as a private defense attorney.
Now RFM tells the story behind that case; a case from which RFM learned the meaning of true Christlike love.
It is a case that we call, “The Boy Who Killed His Little Sister.”
What were the top LDS and Mormon Stories of 2024? Bill Reel and RFM run us through the year and help you to remember what made the headlines from within the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and from What were the top LDS and Mormon Stories of 2024? Bill Reel and RFM run us through the year and help you to remember what made the headlines from within the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and from Mormonism generally.
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It’s Christmas Eve and scads of famous Mormon and post-Mormon podcasters are coming to the party at RFM’s house!
Why don’t you come, too? You will see lots of familiar faces and have a wonderful time!
Does the testimony of the Book of Mormon witnesses hold up?
Lawyers RFM and Kolby Reddish show why their testimony isn’t as strong as the Church would like you to think!
Mormon apologists insist there is archaeological evidence for the Book of Mormon!
Lawyers RFM and Kolby Reddish examine this claim and reveal the truth of the subject!
Do linguistics really prove the Book of Mormon is true, as the apologists claim? Or is there more to the story they’re not telling us?
RFM and Kolby Reddish continue their methodical take-down of the newly released apologetic response to the CES Letter!
LDS Faithful Apologist and Scholar Ben Spackman recently stated the LDS Church is in a “PERIOD OF UNLEARNING”. Bill Reel and RFM are joined by guest Nathan Hinckley to discuss what such is entailing and what it could mean for the future. What was Mormonism and what is the LDS Church moving towards? That and more on this week’s Mormonism Live! Help support Bill Reel & Radio Free Mormon in making informative entertaining content that shines a light on truth and leads with transparency.
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Join us as we welcome scholar Brent Metcalfe for the 30th anniversary of his excommunication from the Mormon Church. We cover not only his excommunication but also his famous discovery of the “Mosiah First Priority” in the Book of Mormon translation. Help support Bill Reel & Radio Free Mormon in making informative entertaining content that shines a light on truth and leads with transparency.
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Brent Metcalfe – Early Years, Mark Hofmann, the Salamander Letter, the Bombings, the Book of Abraham, and Life After Mormonism Ep. 493-494; 497-499 https://www.mormonstories.org/brent-metcalfe-mark-hofmann-salamander-letter-bombings/
Murder Among The Mormons on Netflix https://www.netflix.com/title/81226889
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Was the LDS Church an ally of Adolph Hitler and the Nazis? There has been much said on both sides. So tonight on Mormonism Live we take a look and try to separate what is fact from fiction!!! Help support Bill Reel & Radio Free Mormon in making informative entertaining content that shines a light on truth and leads with transparency.
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RFM is joined once again by fellow attorney Kolby Reddish to debunk chapter two of the Light and Truth Letter.
Together we completely demolish the apologetic arguments in favor of the Book of Mormon being produced by divine means!
This episode of Mormonism Live has Bill Reel and RFM diving deep into a recent interview between the “Keystone” Podcast & LDS Historian Ben Spackman. And you won’t believe what he has to say about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Prophets, Seers, and Revelators who stand at its helm.
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Radio Free Mormon and fellow attorney, Colby Reddish, thoroughly debunk the first chapter in the new apologetic offering, “The Light and Truth Letter.”
Chapter One deals with a discussion of Manipulation Tactics and Logical Fallacies.
The apologists are going to have to do better than this to fool us into going back to church!
In this weeks episode we discuss How apologists discern between Evidence and Coincidence!
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Gee whiz, folks! Grab your favorite milkshake and settle in as we take a trip down memory lane in this wholesome episode of Mormonism Live! Just like a scene out of Leave it to Beaver, Bill Reel and RFM team up with their ol’ pal Paul Toscano to chat about something that’s got everyone at the church social buzzing: “How did Mormons make Jesus our elder brother?” With Paul Toscano’s unique insights and wit (think Ward Cleaver meets philosophy class), we’ll explore just how this belief came to be. From Sunday School stories to deep theological roots, this lively trio will peel back layers of LDS teachings with a mix of humor and reverence, with a few laughs along the way! So, grab a comfy seat and join us for some “golly-gee” Mormon history and doctrine, with that classic Mormonism Live twist! It’s an episode sure to leave you thinking, laughing, and maybe even scratching your head. See you there!
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RFM takes a look at the “Light and Truth Letter,” the newest response from Mormon apologists to the devastating arguments in the CES Letter.
Using his legal skills, it doesn’t take long for RFM to show the “Light and Truth Letter” as intentionally deceptive and woefully inadequate.
This one you won’t want to miss!
Take a dive into the controversial and thought-provoking film Heretic starring Hugh Grant. Known for its intense examination of faith, belief, and the personal cost of being controlled, Heretic has sparked conversations about spiritual awakening, loyalty, and the power of questioning belief.
Join RFM as he explores the film’s themes, analyzes Grant’s riveting performance, and draws connections to the experiences of those who wrestle with deeply held beliefs and face social and religious consequences for embracing authenticity.
RFM takes a new look at the question of whether the Book of Mormon quotes Shakespeare and, in the process, reveals a new methodology for debunking a major field of Mormon Apologetics.
Radio Free Mormon dedicates this podcast to viewers of the show!
He goes over a number of comments made by listeners, as well as discussing plans for future shows!
In this episode of Mormonism Live, Bill Reel and RFM delve into one of Mormonism’s most fascinating—and controversial—teachings: the idea that faithful Latter-day Saints will receive their own planets to rule, create, and populate in the afterlife. From Brigham Young to contemporary apostles, LDS leaders have long hinted at or outright taught this idea as part of the exaltation doctrine. But in recent years, the LDS Church has seemingly distanced itself from this once-prominent belief, with the LDS Newsroom even publishing a definitive “No” to the question of whether members will get their own planet. Bill and RFM juxtapose historical statements by past and present leaders against this modern PR stance, examining what this doctrinal shift might mean for members and the Church’s evolving theology. Join us as we explore questions of eternal progression, exaltation, and the tension between Mormonism’s esoteric past and its current mainstream narrative. Watch, learn, and share your thoughts in the live chat!
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Mormonism Live’s 2024 Halloween Special, gives you the fan and follower of Mormonism Live, an opportunity to call in and share with us your favorite Halloween stories. Help support Bill Reel & Radio Free Mormon in making informative entertaining content that shines a light on truth and leads with transparency.
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Jenn Kamp’s bankruptcy lawsuit just keeps going from bad to worse.
It is one thing for somebody else’s lawyer to accuse you of fraud, but you know things are bad when YOUR OWN LAWYER ACCUSES YOU OF FRAUD!
Not only is Jenn Kamp trying to avoid paying John Dehlin and Open Stories Foundation for committing defamation against them, she is also trying to avoid paying the legal fees to her attorney who represented her in that defamation case!
This one you have to see to believe!
Twenty years after the fact, Midnight Mormons are using my original research to prove the Book of Mormon true!
Talk about surreal!
On this week’s episode RFM and Bill Reel take a look at the life & Teachings of Elder Dallin H. Oaks, current member of the First Presidency and help the audience make sense of a life of deception.
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Tonight we welcome a special guest onto the show who goes by the name of Kishkumen. He is a classics professor at a major university in the United States. Kishkumen will share with us his experiences and insights into Mormonism from the perspective of a classics professor, and I expect we will all learn a lot along the way.
Just when you thought it was safe to go back into bankruptcy court, John Dehlin files a very interesting motion of his own against Jenn Kamp.
RFM covers not only the motion, but why it may be being made in the first place!
This week’s episode of Mormonism Live is your chance to share your LDS General Conference Reactions! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints just held its General Conference and with all that happened, here is your chance to react. The phone lines will be open and it’s your chance to share what was good, what was bad, and what caught your eye!
In this special milestone episode, Radio Free Mormon & Bill Reel celebrate 200 episodes of Mormonism Live with a lighthearted and hilarious look at some of ridiculousness of Mormonism. From strange doctrines and quirky teachings to the cringiest folklore and outrageous church practices, no stone is left unturned as we explore the humorous side of Mormonism. It’s an episode full of humor, satire, and good-natured fun, reminding us all that sometimes the best way to understand the absurdity is to just laugh at it. Tune in for a laugh-filled celebration of the comical aspects of Mormonism!
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RFM dissects the talks given in the Sunday afternoon session of October 2024 General Conference!
General Conference has never been this much fun!
RFM dissects the talks given in the Sunday morning session of October 2024 General Conference!
General Conference has never been this much fun!
In this episode of Mormonism Live, Bill Reel is joined by Rebecca Bibliotheca (as we give RFM a night off) and we dive deep into the historical record surrounding LDS leaders’ teachings that a woman’s primary role is to be a stay-at-home mom. They explore how these teachings, often laced with shame, guilt, and warnings of spiritual and temporal consequences for those who deviated, shaped the lives of countless women within the Church. With the LDS Church appearing to soften its stance on this issue in recent years, Bill and Rebecca question whether the Church should be held accountable for the harm caused by these past teachings. They also examine the tension between the Church’s claims of divine inspiration and its frequent revision of doctrines, inviting listeners to consider the implications of such changes on the Church’s credibility.
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British YouTuber Nemo the Mormon is now facing excommunication. Is this the result of years of challenging the Church, or was it triggered by his recent support for the residents of Fairview, Texas, in their fight against the LDS Church’s push for an excessively tall temple spire? Join RFM and Bill Reel as we sit down with Nemo to explore why the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has called him to a disciplinary council.
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Elder Dallin H. Oaks recently instructed that local leaders need to ramp up their excommunication numbers!
RFM has now obtained a leaked copy of the PowerPoint presentation used by Elder Oaks, and reviews it in detail!
This week on Mormonism Live we take a look at the recent interview between Mormon Stories’ John Dehlin and Jackson and Hayden Paul from the Stick of Joseph YouTube channel. We explore their responses to a critical examination of Mormonism.
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Welcome to ‘Brush Up Your Shakespeare,’ where we explore the most poignant and memorable moments of the Bard’s masterpieces! In this episode, our insightful host takes you through the final scene sharing Hamlet Act V, Scene 2, with a focus on the moving line: ‘Good night, sweet prince, and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.’
Join us as we examine the themes of death, honor, and finality that bring this tragic play to its unforgettable conclusion. Whether you’re a seasoned Shakespearean scholar or new to his works, this episode offers a touching analysis, thoughtful commentary, and a fresh perspective on the emotional farewell to Hamlet.
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Mormon Dr. Gerald Mortimer used his own semen to artificially inseminate a patient without her knowledge or consent.
This is their story.
The Trustee in Jenn Kamp’s Washington bankruptcy case has filed a motion to dismiss her case or transfer it to Utah.
The basis is that the Trustee doesn’t believe Jenn Kamp, and certainly doesn’t believe she had resided in Washington long enough prior to filing for bankruptcy in Tacoma.
Jenn Kamp’s attorney is arguing her case should not be dismissed or transferred, but should stay in Washington where it belongs.
What happens at the hearing is nothing compared to the information we get along the way from several court filings!
Dr. John Lundwall joins RFM and Bill Reel to break down Scripture Central’s latest Book of Mormon evidence video claiming Lehi and Family COULD build a boat to travel from the Near East to the Americas.
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Welcome to this special episode of Mormonism Live, where hosts Bill Reel and Radio Free Mormon are joined by the renowned therapist, author, and social worker, Julie de Azevedo Hanks. Known for her candid discussions on mental health, relationships, and navigating faith transitions, Julie brings her unique perspective to the complexities of living within Mormon culture. In this episode, we dive deep into the intersection of faith and psychology, explore the challenges of maintaining authenticity in a religious community, and discuss the importance of mental health awareness in the LDS Church. Whether you’re on your own faith journey or interested in the evolving dynamics of Mormonism, this conversation promises to be enlightening and thought-provoking. Don’t miss it! Julie de Azevedo Hanks is an award-winning singer and songwriter, licensed therapist, author, speaker, and consultant. She also blogs on women’s emotional health, self-care, and relationships and contributes regularly to social media, radio, and other media. She is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
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This scene takes place entirely in a graveyard! And Shakespeare, sensing things are getting a bit heavy, lightens things up with some comedy between two gravediggers!
One of the gravediggers pops up a skull that belonged to the court jester, Yorick, and hands it to Hamlet. This begins one of the most famous vignettes in Shakespeare: That of Hamlet holding a skull in the palm of his hand while he speaks to it! And what Hamlet has to say to that skull may be some of the darkest lines in literature!
A recent Mormon youth concert is being promoted as a means to worship Jesus Christ through music. But what on earth are Mormons doing worshiping Jesus? RFM takes us on a journey to his own youth , when Mormon apostle Bruce are McConkie laid down the law that Mormons are not supposed to worship Jesus! Then RFM goes behind the story of that speech by Elder McConkie to reveal the emotional trauma inflicted on one particular family because of that speech.
RFM delves into the subject of affinity fraud, Mormon style! Unfortunately, some famous and respected names in Mormon leadership got into the act.
RFM shares some personal stories about Mormon affinity fraud, as well, and rounding out the show are some comments from last week’s episode, featuring comments from some members of George W. Pace’s family and former students!
In this week’s episode of Mormonism Live, we delve into the controversial and shocking allegations surrounding sex abuse within the U.S. Olympic gymnastics team, focusing on the involvement of Peter Vidmar, a devout Mormon, and former Olympic Gold Medalist. Vidmar, who has been twice inducted into the Olympic Hall of Fame, once for his individual achievements and once as part of a team, also served as the Chairman of the U.S. Gymnastics Board of Directors during a turbulent time for the sport. Our special guest, Dr. Randall Bell joins us to share his unique insights into this scandal. Dr. Bell, known for his work in disaster recovery and trauma, will explore the complex intersections of Vidmar’s faith as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, his role in the gymnastics community, and the broader implications of the abuse scandal on the sport. Together, we will uncover the layers of this disturbing story, examining how power, religion, and institutional failures contributed to one of the darkest chapters in Olympic history. Don’t miss this eye-opening episode as we seek to understand the lasting impact on the victims, the sport, and the LDS community.
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Randall Bell’s notable cases include: Nicole Brown Simpson’s Los Angeles condominium, the mansion where 39 Heaven’s Gate members died of suicide, the JonBenét Ramsey house in Colorado, the World Trade Center site, and properties damaged in the Rodney King riots and by Hurricane Katrina.
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In this episode of Mormonism Live, hosts Bill Reel and Radio Free Mormon dive deep into one of the most impactful events in Mormon history—the loss of the 116 pages of the Book of Lehi. These pages, the first part of the Book of Mormon, were said to be translated by Joseph Smith through divine means, under the guidance of the angel Moroni. However, when they were lost, it set off a chain of events that would forever shape the narrative of the Latter-day Saints. Bill and RFM explore this pivotal incident, asking crucial questions about what the loss of these pages reveals about the mindset and motives of Mormonism’s founder, Joseph Smith. Was it a simple mishap, or does this event expose deeper layers of intention and strategy? By viewing the lost 116 pages through the lens of Smith’s perspective, the hosts argue that everything begins to fall into place, shedding new light on the origins and early days of the Mormon faith. Join us for an in-depth analysis that challenges the traditional narrative and offers fresh insights into one of the most significant episodes in Latter-day Saint history.
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Jenn Kamp has run into some trouble in bankruptcy court where she filed in western Washington, of all places.
The trustee in Jenn’s bankruptcy case has filed a motion to dismiss (or transfer) her suit on the basis she was not completely honest in her filings . . .
This is one you won’t want to miss!
Jenn Kamp really turns up the heat by initiating criminal charges against John Dehlin for violating a protection order.
Unfortunately the protection order had been dismissed more than half a year earlier.
But a little thing like that won’t stop Jenn Kamp from her quest for revenge!
Though it was expected Jenn Kamp would file for bankruptcy, what was unexpected is that she would file not in Utah where she lives but in western Washington.
Prior to filing for bankruptcy in July of 2024, Jenn Kamp quitclaimed her interest in the family home to her husband in May, and then filed for divorce against her husband in June.
Keep up with all the twists and turns in this fascinating case!
Laertes returns to Denmark incensed over the murder of his father, Polonius, and seeking revenge. Things go from bad to worse when Laertes finds out that his sister has gone mad and then drowns herself.
But Claudius is able to turn the wrath of Laertes away from himself and toward Hamlet, whom Claudius has sent on a voyage to England . . . a voyage from which Hamlet will never return. Or will he . . .?
From its inception, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has claimed to have prophets. But when those prophets have predicted the future, the results have been mixed, to say the least. The prophecies that did not come to pass are not talked about by the LDS Church. But we will talk about them tonight at Mormonism Live. Featuring Master Peace as our special guest.
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Professor John Lundwall shares his personal story on how it was he came to leave Mormonism. Latter-day Saints and Mormons of all kinds won’t want to miss this story. Disclaimer: The content of this video contains discussions about child molestation and child abuse. These are sensitive and potentially triggering topics. Viewer discretion is advised. This video is not intended for children or those who may find the content distressing.
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In this episode we explore what we know about each of the Seer Stones that Joseph Smith used or had in his possession. We also explore other known seer stones within Mormonism. And as usual we have a few surprises and a likely bombshell in regards to the history that almost none of you knew!
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Join hosts Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel on this captivating episode of “Mormonism Live,” where the tantalizing title “Dating Fanny Alger” sets the stage for an exploration of one of the most controversial relationships in Mormon history. This week, our esteemed guests Don Bradley, Cheryl Bruno, and Chris Smith delve into the detailed research aimed at determining the precise calendar date of Joseph Smith’s relationship with Fanny Alger. While the title might initially evoke the image of a romantic outing between Joseph Smith and Fanny Alger, our discussion promises much more than a playful tease. We dive deep into historical records, piecing together evidence to shed light on the timeline of their relationship. Our experts will guide us through the complexities of early Mormon history, revealing the broader implications and the controversy that has surrounded this period for over a century. From examining contemporary accounts to analyzing historical documents, this episode promises to be an enlightening journey into the past. Tune in to “Dating Fanny Alger” on “Mormonism Live” – where we uncover the truth behind the title and explore the intricate details of one of Mormonism’s most intriguing stories.
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We sit down with Jon Streeter to revisit his “Race Apology” in 2018. The apology had the appearance of being officially from the Church even though it wasn’t and Streeter took a lot of criticism for the fake apology. Now 6 years later Streeter sits down to explain his thoughts both then and now and to discuss various aspects of the project and its aftermath
Streeter’s Fake Apology – https://thoughtsonthingsandstuff.com/the-pasquinade-apology-on-mormon-racism/
Video of AI (not real) President Nelson giving Streeter’s “Fake Apology” – https://youtu.be/TtImO6fLFKE
Streeter’s Apology for the fake Apology – https://thoughtsonthingsandstuff.com/the-pasquinade-apology-on-mormon-racism/
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With Hamlet safely on his way to certain death in England, Claudius must deal with another threat to his throne: Laertes, the son of slain Polonius, is coming back from France to seek revenge for HIS father’s murder, and Laertes has his sights set on Claudius as the likely suspect!
Adding to his rage, Laertes finds out when he gets back to Denmark that not only is his father murdered, but his sister Ophelia has gone mad!
Will Claudius be adroit enough to redirect Laertes’ wrath away from him and keep his throne? Listen and find out!
Can it be that Jenn Kamp is trying to avoid accountability in her lawsuit with John Dehlin by divesting herself of her assets?
It sure looks that way!
Also an update on Rosebud (aka Anne McMullin Peffer) who cannot accept the fact she lost her bar complaint against me!
Chief Midegah has been making quite a splash in Mormon circles recently!
He claims to have a collection of birch bark scrolls with ancient Native American hieroglyphs that, when properly interpreted, support Mormonism and its teachings.
RFM deconstructs those claims one by one!
A recent affidavit claims Elder Ballard, a senior apostle in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, was working hard with Tim Ballard to scrub Tim Ballard’s “Mormon history” from the internet and make him into a hero so as to prepare Evangelical Christians to accept Mormonism!
Kolby Reddish joins RFM and Bill Reel to take a deeper look at the Flawed Epistemology and the problem of inconsistent “revelation” by examining the flawed thinking of Jacob Hansen Help support Bill Reel & Radio Free Mormon in making informative entertaining content that shines a light on truth and leads with transparency.
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This is Part 2 of our dive into Episode 5 of A Marvelous Work, investigating the claims of “Book of Mormon Central” around the witnesses of the Book of Mormon. Told through the commentary of Radio Free Mormon, Bill Reel, and guest host Dan Vogel, we use our spiritual eyes to examine the facts of the claims!
Book of Mormon Central part 5 of A Marvelous Work – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcOk5aodNJs
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The modern Mormon Church has gotten so far away from its roots, it has developed a completely different Plan of Salvation than the one taught in the Book of Mormon!
RFM demonstrates how the “Keystone of Mormonism” has been discarded by the very church leaders who profess it to be holy scripture!
We dive into Episode 5 of A Marvelous Work, investigating the claims of “Book of Mormon Central” around the witnesses of the Book of Mormon. Told through the commentary of Radio Free Mormon, Bill Reel, and guest host Dan Vogel this one is bound to better than a vision performed via Second Sight.
Book of Mormon Central part 5 of A Marvelous Work – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcOk5aodNJs
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This scene contains one of the most brilliant soliloquies in the all of Shakespeare, and it doesn’t start with, “To be or not to be”!
Hamlet realizes he has been thinking about revenging his father’s murder too long, and now resolves to take action to kill the King, his uncle, Claudius!
RFM takes us on a journey to his past, featuring his father who was an atheist.
RFM’s father set an example of atheism as being good, kind and moral.
This podcast defends the atheism of RFM’s father.
RFM reports on the latest Bar Complaint he has received as a podcaster!
Also an update on the John Dehlin v. Jenn Kamp civil suit going on in Utah!
Radio Free Mormon tackles the longest chapter in the Book of Mormon, Jacob Chapter 5, showing how it was that Joseph Smith came up with the Allegory of the Olive Tree!
LDS Apologist John Clark has spent considerable time on Book of Mormon Anachronisms both showing the number of them in the past that existed and then suggesting that many over time have been reconciled and pointed to such as evidence that the Book of Mormon is in fact historical. But what do we find when Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel and guest host Rebecca Bibliotheca take a deeper look at Book of Mormon Anachronisms.
Chapters
3:00 Hill Cumorah a “Clean Hill”
11:00 BOM Claims Video
16:00 1842 Claims
23:50 “Bat Creek” Stone
31:15 Why use the 1842 claims?
42:00 Status of BOM Claims in 2005
59:00 Two Rivers 1:05:00 Swords
1:13:30 Human Sacrifice
1:12:45 Wild Beasts
1:19:00 Status of BOM Claims in 2023
1:26:50 The dumb ass
1:48:00 Bonus: The Smithsonian Letter
1:58:00 Reverse Anachronisms
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Today we take a fun trip into a cool connection to Mormonism. The 1823 Detroit Manuscript and its connection to the Anthon Transcript.
RESOURCES:
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https://solomonspalding.com/SRP/saga/saga02b.htm
http://sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/MI/miscmich.htm#030723
https://beggarsbread.org/2013/03/17/why-was-the-book-of-mormon-written-in-ancient-irish/
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In this week’s episode we take a look at the methodology of Mormon Apologists focusing on Ward Radio and Jacob Hanson. All sides claim the other is deceiving and misleading. But one side is adding context and clarity while the other enjoys their audience working with a limited understanding.
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Hamlet killed Polonius in the last scene. The king is now sending Hamlet off to England. But is it just to get Hamlet out of Denmark until things cool down? Or does Claudius have something more sinister in mind? Could Claudius be sending Hamlet on a one-way trip to England? One from which Hamlet will never return?
Listen and find out!
After being found to have committed defamation against John Dehlin and OSF by court order on May 15, 2024, Jenn Kamp immediately went to work putting up new defamatory videos.
An emergency hearing was held Friday, May 24, 2024 by motion of OSF lawyers to have Jenn Kamp remove the videos.
This is the report of what happened at that hearing.
Losing the first 116-pages of the Book of Mormon translation thrust Joseph Smith into a dilemma.
He tried to get out of it by creating a separate history to cover the same period of time as the lost 116-pages.
But in doing so, Joseph Smith managed to leave his fingerprints that he is the actual author; that he is not translating a history but creating a fictional account.
Here is the evidence. Listen and see if you don’t agree!
This week we sit down with Shawn McCraney who once was a Mormon himself and after leaving has for decades been a vocal critic of Mormonism and the LDS Church. We take a look at Shawn’s life journey and his recent acknowledgement of coming full circle.
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00:00 Welcome
10:00 Clip
19:15 Is he Universalist?
27:00 Why not trust others’ stories?
35:00 Metaphysical experience
42:00 Post-millenialism
46:00 Scriptural evidence for Jesus returning before 70AD?
47:00 The “bride” of Jesus a bunch of Jews
52:00 The “beast” isn’t Nero?
54:00 “This Generation”
55:15 So what about today then?
01:02:00 Faith & works(love?)
01:03:45 The alternative to offer the fans.
01:07:25 In/errant Bible?
01:10:45 Ralph Waldo Emerson
01:18:00 Never-denominational
01:20:00 Caller: Kolby
01:23:00 How is your epistemology more than “I just know”
01:26:25 Bill leaving made him better
01:30:45 Caller: Ted
01:40:00 Caller: Jared
On May 15, 2024, Judge Faust of the Salt Lake City District Court issued terminating sanctions against Jenn Kamp in the defamation case brought against her by John Dehlin and the Open Stories Foundation.
In the order, Judge Faust found that Jenn Kamp had engaged in a pattern of hiding evidence from the other party so severe that it warranted terminating the case, holding as a matter of fact that Jenn Kamp had defamed John Dehlin, there would be no jury trial on the issue, and all that remained was to have a hearing in front of the judge in order to determine what the damages should be.
This is that order.
The tension mounts as Hamlet’s mother, Queen Gertrude, summons Hamlet to her chambers after the “Mousetrap” play to demand of her son what he thinks he is up to.
Hamlet quickly turns the tables on her, causing her to cry out for help. This causes Polonius, hidden behind the arras in the same room, to cry out. Hamlet quickly stabs Polonius through the arras, apparently thinking it is the King.
This is the first onstage death we have witnessed in Hamlet. But there will be plenty more to follow as Hamlet moves us toward the climax!
Get set for EXPLOSIVE News on Mormonism Live as our dynamic duo RFM and Bill Reel are back in action, ready to unravel the jaw-dropping saga surrounding the Mormon Church and its investment arm Ensign Peak. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints faces NEW allegations around the LDS Church’s stock portfolio. With cloak-and-dagger tactics, hidden shell companies, and whispers of Villainous rule-breaking, this podcast promises a wild ride through the intersection of Prophets & Profits. Don’t miss a moment of the pulse-pounding excitement in “LDS Church’s Stock Portfolio Under Scrutiny,” exclusively on “Mormonism Live”!
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Mormon Women speak up about recent comments by Relief Society General President Camille Johnson towards the effect that she was following the LDS Prophet in sacrificing to have worked outside the home while almost all Latter-day saint women were taught sternly to be at home moms and incurred shame and guilt for doing otherwise. And on the other hand to be burdened and feel hopeless thinking its their only option if they stayed home to raise kids.
Radio Free Mormon takes some time to tell us about his London trip!
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Welcome, avid learners, to another enlightening episode of Radio Free Mormon Sunday School! I’m RFM, your guide through the intricate landscapes of scripture study. Today, we’re diving into the fourteenth week of the “Come, Follow Me” curriculum for the Book of Mormon in 2024. Our focus? A critical examination of population numbers in the early chapters of Jacob—a topic rarely explored in regular Sunday School. Radio Free Mormon Sunday School, where you will learn stuff you’re never gonna hear in regular Sunday School, invites you to join us as we unravel the internal problems with historicity surrounding population figures in the Book of Mormon. In “A CRITICAL PROBLEM: Book of Mormon Population,” we’ll discuss: Scripture Study Revelation: Dive into the “Come, Follow Me” curriculum, exploring the intricacies of Jacob 1–4. Uncover insights that challenge traditional interpretations and shed light on internal inconsistencies. “Be Reconciled unto God through the Atonement of Christ”: Examine the central message of the Book of Mormon amidst the backdrop of population discrepancies, considering how spiritual truths intersect with historical realities. Analyzing Jacob 1–4: Dissect the population numbers presented in these chapters and scrutinize their feasibility within the context of ancient American civilizations. “Spiritual Blindness” and the Quest for Truth: Reflect on the importance of critical thinking and discernment when encountering historical challenges within scripture, emphasizing the need for honesty and openness in our pursuit of truth. Join us on this thought-provoking journey as we confront the critical problem of Book of Mormon population figures. Radio Free Mormon Sunday School is committed to providing a space for thoughtful discussion and deeper exploration, addressing topics that may challenge conventional narratives. Don’t miss out on the unique insights that will broaden your understanding of this intriguing aspect of scripture study.
Mormon in 2024. Brace yourselves for a captivating journey as we unravel the layers of Nephi’s 600-year prophecy of Jesus. In this episode, we’re not just skimming the surface; we’re delving deep into the intricacies of Nephi’s prophetic words about the Savior. Join us as we bring to light hidden insights that go beyond the ordinary Sunday School class, providing a fresh perspective on this powerful prophecy. Mormon Sunday School is not your run-of-the-mill Sunday School experience. We’re here to unveil the lesser-known details, the nuances, and the deeper meanings that might escape notice in regular classes. So, get ready for a thought-provoking discussion that will enhance your understanding of Nephi’s remarkable foresight. In “Nephi’s 600-Year Prophecy of Jesus: Unveiling Hidden Insights,” we’ll explore: The Prophetic Language: Examine the specific details of Nephi’s prophecy and the language he uses to foretell the coming of the Savior, delving into the cultural and historical context that adds depth to the message. Symbolism and Foreshadowing: Dive deep into the symbolic elements and foreshadowing within the prophecy, revealing layers of meaning that connect to broader themes in the Book of Mormon. Historical Significance: Uncover the historical significance of Nephi’s prophecy and its impact on the Nephite civilization, providing a richer context for understanding the unfolding events in the Book of Mormon. Application to Today: Discuss how the insights from Nephi’s prophecy can be applied to our lives in the 21st century, offering a timeless message that resonates with modern discipleship. Mormon Sunday School, where you will learn stuff you’re never gonna hear in regular Sunday School. Join us on this enlightening journey as we unravel the hidden insights within Nephi’s 600-year prophecy of Jesus, offering a fresh perspective on familiar scriptures and deepening your appreciation for the prophetic messages found within the Book of Mormon. Don’t miss out on the unique insights that will enrich your understanding of this pivotal moment in Nephite history.
Welcome back to ‘Brush Up Your Shakespeare,’ where we uncover the hidden gems within the Bard’s timeless works! In this episode, our insightful host delves into the depths of Hamlet Act III, Scene 3, with a keen focus on the poignant quote: ‘My words fly up; my thoughts remain below.’ Join us as we explore the profound themes of guilt, redemption, and the complexities of the human conscience embedded within this pivotal moment of the play. Whether you’re a seasoned Shakespeare aficionado or new to the world of classics, this episode promises a captivating analysis, thought-provoking commentary, and a fresh perspective on Shakespeare’s enduring relevance. Subscribe now for a journey through the heart of Hamlet, and let’s together brush up on the brilliance of the Bard. Your literary adventure awaits!
“Welcome back to ‘Brush Up Your Shakespeare,’ where we delve into the rich tapestry of the Bard’s masterpieces! In this episode, our perceptive host dissects Hamlet Act III, Scene II, with a focus on the famous line: ‘The lady doth protest too much, methinks.’ Join us as we explore the intricate dynamics of deceit, manipulation, and self-awareness within this pivotal moment of the play. Whether you’re a seasoned Shakespearean scholar or simply intrigued by the complexities of human nature, this episode offers a captivating analysis, insightful commentary, and a fresh perspective on one of Shakespeare’s most memorable scenes. Subscribe now for a thought-provoking journey through the layers of drama and intrigue in Hamlet, and let’s together brush up on the brilliance of the Bard. Your literary adventure awaits!”
Enter into the world of ‘Brush Up Your Shakespeare,’ where the host steps into the greatest soliloquy ‘To Be Or Not To Be’. Join us for an in-depth exploration of the emotions, self-reflection, and existential ponderings embedded in this iconic soliloquy. It’s time to brush up on the brilliance of the Bard – your literary journey continues here!”
The LDS Church and Mormon Apologists have a common tactic where by they take a problem the critic points out, and they alter the Church’s position so as to make the faithful position indiscernible From a Fraud. And tonight on Mormonism Live, we are going to lay out approximately 20 examples of instances where this very act occurred and once you see it, you will never see The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints the same again.
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Radio Free Mormon, in his ongoing reporting of the civil suit in Salt Lake City between John Dehlin and Jenn Kamp, has obtained the audio of the entire hearing held on April 23, 2024. At the end of the lengthy hearing, Judge Faust expresses concerns he has with being able to believe Jenn Kamp. After you listen to the hearing, you will likely understand why Judge Faust feels that way.
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Scott Christopher and Book of Mormon Central are up to bad apologetics once again misrepresenting to the audience proposed evidences of the Book of Mormon. They return to Chiasmus for the second time and speak at length about stylometry proposing those as evidences for the Book of Mormon. But what happens when these evidences are examined and explored more objectively? We are about to find out!!!
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Radio Free Mormon sits down with Carah “Nuance Hoe” Burrell and they tackle a talk given by apologist and Densley in 2023 titled “Proving the Church is True”. Densley who also happens to be a lawyer and refers to such as the basis for how he designed his talk is about to get a lesson in law from yours truly, RFM !
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This week we sit down with Lars Nielsen and take a look at his new theory on Book of Mormon Origins
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On this episode of Radio Free Mormon, RFM takes a close look at the LDS Church’s effort in Fairview, Texas to have its McKinney Mormon temple built in the midst of City Codes and disgruntled neighborhoods. And when you see how the Church is navigating these waters you will once again see behind the curtain. Please sustain and support the Radio Free Mormon podcast through donating at https://radiofreemormon.org/donate-radio-free-mormon/ Thanks so much for watching! Please like, subscribe, and leave a comment! Visit our Channel to find everything Mormonism! https://www.youtube.com/c/MormonDiscussionsInc or @MormonDiscussion Our mission at Mormon Discussion is to be a beacon of support for those who are questioning the truth claims or renegotiating their relationship with faith. Our podcasts like “Mormonism Live,” “Radio Free Mormon,” and “Mormon Discussion” offer a safe space for Discovery and healing. But we need your help. Your donations power our work – expanding outreach, improving content, and creating new initiatives. Visit https://donorbox.org/umbrella-entity or https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/ and make a difference today. Your support empowers us to empower others. We are a 501C3 Non-Profit and your donation is tax deductable inside the United States https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/ Thank you for being part of the change. Together, we’re making a real impact.
On this week’s episode we take a look at the historical stories that point to sexual impropriety of Joseph Smith and several other early key leaders in the faith that aren’t traditionally talked about. Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Martin Harris all come up in the episode and Bill & RFM weigh in on the merit of these rumors.
Chapters
04:00 Josiah Stowell’s Daughters
07:15 Eliza Winters
13:30 Nancy Mirinda Johnson (Hyde)
23:45 Miss Hill
30:25 Fanny Alger
38:55 Martin Harris & Mrs. Haggard
45:15 Augusta Adams Cobb
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Radio Free Mormon takes a look at the small plates of Nephi and find himself in the midst of a sticky issue. Thanks so much for watching! Please like, subscribe, and leave a comment! Visit our Channel to find everything Mormonism! https://www.youtube.com/c/MormonDiscussionsInc or @MormonDiscussion Our mission at Mormon Discussion is to be a beacon of support for those who are questioning the truth claims or renegotiating their relationship with faith. Our podcasts like “Mormonism Live,” “Radio Free Mormon,” and “Mormon Discussion” offer a safe space for Discovery and healing. But we need your help. Your donations power our work – expanding outreach, improving content, and creating new initiatives. Visit https://donorbox.org/umbrella-entity or https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/ and make a difference today. Your support empowers us to empower others. We are a 501C3 Non-Profit and your donation is tax deductable inside the United States https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/ Thank you for being part of the change. Together, we’re making a real impact.
RFM takes a look at some often ignored details that point to who fingerprints are all over the authorship of “The Book of Mormon”
Over the last few weeks a discovery has been making waves in the Mormon World. Gold plates bound by rings with ancient Israelite writing on them. Sound familiar? And YouTube Channels like Ward Radio, David Alexander, and The Stick of Joseph have touted these as evidence for the Book of Mormon. But as soon as they started making noise you begin to hear whispers of “fake”. Tonight we look at the plates, their provenance, and what they mean for Mormonism and its Gold Plates story. John Lundwall and Rebecca Bibliotecha join us and we even get the thoughts of Dan McClellan as we sort out not only what to believe and what to doubt but rather even if these are real, what do they mean or maybe more importantly what they absolutely don’t convey.
00:00 Intro – the Saudi Plates
06:45 Mormon podcast response
20:30 Dan McClellan’s biggest takeaway
33:00 Sermons of the day
41:50 Other gold/metal plates
1:05:25 Scripture Central clip
1:08:05 Even if it’s fake, it’s proof!
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RFM breaks down the fifth and final session of General Conference for April, 2024!
RFM breaks down the Sunday morning session of General Conference!
Cover the highlights and lowlights of the April 2024 Saturday Evening Session of General Conference without having to watch it, while being entertained by Radio Free Mormon
Cover the highlights and lowlights of the April 2024 Saturday Afternoon Session of General Conference without having to watch it, while being entertained by Radio Free Mormon
Cover the highlights and lowlights of the April 2024 Saturday Session of General Conference without having to watch it, while being entertained by Radio Free Mormon
Recently Mormonism Live has examined the proposed evidences of the Book of Mormon presented by Book of Mormon Central in their series “A Marvelous Work: How Great the Evidence”. One facet of that has been to tackle their use of Jewish Rabbi Joe Charnes. Rabbi Joe was kind enough to reach out to us and ask to have a chance to correct some misconceptions both about how we addressed his segment as well as how he was utilized on Book of Mormon Central’s Video and joins us to correct the record and to speak to his view of the historicity of the Book of Mormon.
“Welcome back, enthusiasts of the Bard, to another enlightening episode of ‘Brush Up Your Shakespeare’! In this edition, our insightful host delves into the complexities of Hamlet Act II, Scene 2, unraveling the intricacies of Shakespeare’s timeless play and noting that “The Play’s the Thing!”. Join us as we explore the nuances of political machinations, the unfolding drama at court, and the poignant moments that shape the narrative. Whether you’re a seasoned Shakespearean or just beginning your foray into the world of classics, this episode promises a compelling analysis, thought-provoking commentary, and a fresh perspective on the unfolding events in Hamlet. Subscribe now for an engaging journey through the heart of the play, and let’s together brush up on the brilliance of the Bard. Your literary adventure awaits!”
The drama continues for Radio Free Mormon as Anne McMullin Peffer (Rosebud) files a Bar Complaint against him. This will be the third bar complaint in less than a year but with RFM 2-0 against Bar complaints in the last 12 months and undefeated even when one includes appeals, one must wonder if Kamp’s Kompany has any chance to strike back against our unfettered hero. Well, we are about to find out. Testing 1,2,3… Testing 1,2,3… Please Donate to the Radio Free Mormon Podcast by visiting here https://radiofreemormon.org/donate-radio-free-mormon/ Thanks so much for watching! Please like, subscribe, and leave a comment! Visit our Channel to find everything Mormonism! https://www.youtube.com/c/MormonDiscussionsInc or @MormonDiscussion Our mission at Mormon Discussion is to be a beacon of support for those who are questioning the truth claims or renegotiating their relationship with faith. Our podcasts like “Mormonism Live,” “Radio Free Mormon,” and “Mormon Discussion” offer a safe space for Discovery and healing. But we need your help. Your donations power our work – expanding outreach, improving content, and creating new initiatives. Visit https://donorbox.org/umbrella-entity or https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/ and make a difference today. Your support empowers us to empower others. We are a 501C3 Non-Profit and your donation is tax deductable inside the United States https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/ Thank you for being part of the change. Together, we’re making a real impact.
On this week’s program we take a look at the Faith matters Podcast with Aaron Miller where they answer the 100 Billion Dollar Question. But do their answers hold up? We sit down with Spencer Anderson to get his perspective on whether these Financial Apologetics hold water or if Miller is just blowing smoke.
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Jenn Kamp’s attempts to get RFM and Gerardo Sumano named as counter-defendants in the Utah civil suit between her and OSF has been denied!
Our study of the Book of Mormon reveals what appears to be a demonstrably false prediction regarding the return of the Jews to their Holy Land in the last days!
In a strange twist of fate, the Book of Mormon itself seems to refute the priesthood and temple ban on blacks instituted by the LDS Church in 1852 and not discontinued until 1978.
What’s eating Hamlet? That’s what everyone at court is trying to figure out! As the play progresses, the new king, Claudius, gets closer and closer to discovering Hamlet’s secret–that Hamlet has somehow figured out that Claudius murdered his way to the throne by killing Hamlet’s father!
After having gone over this famous soliloquy from Hamlet Act II, scene 2 in the regular podcast, I take some time out here to perform the soliloquy. The rendition may not be stellar, but the soliloquy itself is one of the greatest in the English language!
Recent LDS Convert David Alexander has been making waves sharing his conversion and testimony everywhere. David claims to have been an Evangelical Pastor and having spent 47 years in Evangelical Christianity before being converted to Mormonism only a few months ago. But what happens when Bill Reel and RFM go digging into David’s background? Where did David spend those 47 years? What was he doing during that time? And who is David Derush… This ain’t your standard gathering the 12 Tribes in Israel lesson in Sunday School… But something has been gathered and you won’t want to miss out.
In this episode of “Mormonism Live,” hosts Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel dissect the claims made in the YouTube video titled “Hebrew Evidence for The Book of Mormon | A Marvelous Work | Episode 2” by Scott Christopher and “Book of Mormon Central.” The original video purports to uncover Hebrew evidences for the Book of Mormon, presenting them as compelling proof of its divine origin.
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04:00 Rabbi Joe Charnes’
take on Jacob 5
19:30 Don Perry – Hebraisms
52:30 Olive Horticulture
1:25:00 Moroni’s Promise
1:39:00 Callers
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In the “Rigdon-Spalding Theory: Final Analysis,” Bill Reel and RFM delve into the conclusive examination of the theory, welcoming historians and experts Dan Vogel and Bryce Blankenagel. Together, they provide valuable insights, critique, and a comprehensive perspective on the historical aspects surrounding the Rigdon-Spalding theory. The episode serves as a culmination of their exploration, offering a nuanced and expert-driven assessment of the theory and its implications on the founding of Mormonism.
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How The Mormon Church Protects Child Abusers [Mormonism Live 169] Join RFM and Bill Reel on this compelling episode of Mormonism LIVE as they delve into a critical and sensitive topic – “How The Mormon Church Protects Child Abusers.” Our special guest, non-Mormon lawyer Tim Kosnoff, shares his firsthand experiences dealing with Kirton & McConkie and other legal representation of the LDS Church, shedding light on their practices that may seem counterintuitive when it comes to protecting victims.
In this episode:
Tim Kosnoff’s Eye-Opening Insights: Tim, a seasoned lawyer, provides a unique perspective on the actions of Kirton & McConkie, revealing instances where their decisions seem to prioritize protecting the Church and abusers over the well-being of victims.
Unpacking Legal Strategies: Dive deep into the legal intricacies as Tim breaks down specific cases and instances where the actions of Kirton & McConkie may raise eyebrows, suggesting a pattern of behavior that goes against the interests of survivors.
Protecting the Institution or the Victims? Explore the dissonance between the purported goal of protecting victims and the observed practices that might be shielding abusers. Tim shares anecdotes and experiences that paint a vivid picture of the challenges survivors face within the Mormon Church’s legal framework.
Our Guest – Tim Kosnoff: Tim Kosnoff co-represents 17,000 clients in the Boy Scouts of America Chapter 11 bankruptcy. He has practiced law for forty years as a prosecutor, defense attorney and as a lawyer representing victims of child sexual abuse. He has extensive experience handling complex civil child sexual abuse litigation throughout the United States and Canada. He has handled thousands of complex child sexual abuse cases against religious and secular organizations including the Boy Scouts of America, the Mormon Church, the Catholic Church and a wide spectrum of other organizations. Tim has recovered more than $500 million dollars in settlements and jury verdicts.
Join the Conversation: We encourage respectful and thoughtful discussions in the live chat as we navigate this complex and crucial topic. Share your thoughts, questions, and perspectives, and let’s engage in a meaningful conversation about accountability, justice, and the role of institutions in protecting vulnerable individuals.
Disclaimer: This episode aims to foster awareness and open dialogue on a serious subject. Viewer discretion is advised as we discuss sensitive content related to child abuse within the context of the Mormon Church.
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Join us for a thought-provoking and informative episode that seeks to shine a light on the complexities surrounding child abuse within the Mormon Church. Let’s stand together in advocating for justice and compassion for survivors.
Today we delve into the Isaiah chapters in 2 Nephi, and RFM shows us how Isaiah can actually be made interesting!
LDS Abuser’s Family Speaks Out! In this bombshell interview on “Mormonism Live,” the family of Shawn Cory Gooden, an LDS (Mormon) bishop charged with child abuse, shares their side of the story. This exclusive conversation will test the claims made by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) regarding Stake President Rhett Hintze’s involvement. The ordeal began with the arrest of Bishop Shawn Cory Gooden, who is facing charges related to child abuse. The legal proceedings shed light on the actions of Stake President Rhett Hintze, and his alleged failure to report the abuse, as charged by Pennsylvania State Police The LDS Church responded to the charges against Stake President Hintze, calling them “misguided,” according to the Deseret News’ coverage. The controversial case has garnered attention and raised questions about the Church’s handling of allegations of child abuse within its ranks. As the Pennsylvania Harrisburg Stake grapples with the shocking revelations, the interview on “Mormonism Live” offers a platform for the Gooden family to present their perspective on the events, providing a counter-narrative to the statements made by the LDS Church. Listeners can expect an in-depth exploration of the intricate details surrounding the case, shedding light on the complexities of the situation and the family’s journey through this challenging time.
Join us as RFM dives deep into a textual analysis of this sermon by Jacob. The results are surprising!
Join us as we continue our exploration of the greatest of all Shakespeare plays: Hamlet!
We review the recent Jubilee video discussion that had Mormons and Ex-Mormons sitting down to discuss differences. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Run1f29po8g&t Thanks so much for watching! Please like, subscribe, and leave a comment! Visit our Channel to find everything Mormonism! https://www.youtube.com/c/MormonDiscussionsInc or @MormonDiscussion Our mission at Mormon Discussion is to be a beacon of support for those who are questioning the truth claims or renegotiating their relationship with faith. Our podcasts like “Mormonism Live,” “Radio Free Mormon,” and “Mormon Discussion” offer a safe space for Discovery and healing. But we need your help. Your donations power our work – expanding outreach, improving content, and creating new initiatives. Visit https://donorbox.org/umbrella-entity or https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/ and make a difference today. Your support empowers us to empower others. We are a 501C3 Non-Profit and your donation is tax deductable inside the United States https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/ Thank you for being part of the change. Together, we’re making a real impact.
In today’s scene, we find Polonius, the King’s counselor, being sneaky and using spies to gain information. It is a habit that not only contrasts with the “wise” Polonius we have already seen in Act I, it is a practice that will eventually lead to his death.
Then his daughter, Ophelia, tells Polonius about an alarming encounter she just had with an emotionally overwrought Hamlet. Polonius believes this shows Hamlet is madly in love with his daughter, and rushes off to tell the King all about it.
In Examining the Rigdon Spalding theory, hosts Bill Reel and RFM embark on a journey beyond the familiar narrative of golden plates and angels. Delving into the Rigdon Spalding theory, they navigate the murky waters of historical documents and eyewitness accounts to present a compelling case for its consideration. By carefully laying out the best evidence, the hosts encourage listeners to critically engage with the possibility that the Book of Mormon may have origins rooted in Rigdon and Spalding’s collaboration. Join them on a quest for understanding that challenges established narratives and prompts a reevaluation of Mormon history.
Part 1: https://youtube.com/live/kxm9pbLOwaQ Chapters: 00:00
Intro & Re-cap 01:05:00
4. Book of Mormon and “Manuscript Found” had significant overlap
01:16:00 The Jocker Study
01:23:30 5. Credibility Issues with Sidney Rigdon
01:35:00 Criticisms
1:53:30 Caller
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO1HioblztA
https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Philadelphia_Album_and_Ladies_Litera/VVNTHPSIhj8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=rangdon http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/NY/courier.htm
https://solomonspalding.com/SRP/saga/saga02a.htm
http://sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/IL/whig1839.htm#rigdon
https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1616&context=msr
https://www.solomonspalding.com/docs2/Dav1977c.htm
http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/CA/natruths.htm#040088-1d2
http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/UT/tribune2.htm#041588
https://exploringmormonism.com/spaulding-rigdon-timeline/
http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/criddle/rigdon1.htm
http://www.mormonthink.com/mormonstudiesrigdon.htm#26january
http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/MO/sain1922.htm
https://www.mormonmatters.org/debunking-the-spaulding-theory/
https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V01N04_17s.pdf
http://exmormonfoundation.org/files/ExmoConfTalkCriddle.pdf
http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/PA/penn1810.htm#070916
http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/criddle/rigdon1old.htm#25
https://archive.org/details/addresstoallbeli00whit/page/n7/mode/2up?q=rigdon&view=theater
https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1616&context=msr
https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Dan-Vogel-Problems-with-Rigdon-Spalding-Theory.pdf
http://sidneyrigdon.com/criddle/rigdon1.htm
RFM dives into how he was involved with the Critical Text Project, and even ended up changing a word in the text!
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania Stake President Rhett Hintze was just charged with a felony for failing to report child sex abuse.
The actual abuse occurred around 20-years ago, but was not reported to President Hintze until 2020.
President Hintze called the LDS Abuse Hotline and was told to NOT report it to law enforcement.
Now the chickens are coming home to roost.
The Ghost of Hamlet’s father, the former King of Denmark, finally delivers his message to Hamlet.
It is a message of evil, murder, deceit and revenge!
It’s enough to drive a bloke bonkers!
After failing to get me disbarred, Jenn Kamp has decided to add me to the lawsuit she has going with Open Stories Foundation and John Dehlin in Utah.
Just when you thought things couldn’t get any crazier!
Examining The Rigdon – Spalding Theory [Mormonism LIVE: 165] In “Examining The Rigdon Spalding Theory,” hosts Bill Reel and RFM embark on a journey beyond the familiar narrative of golden plates and angels. Delving into the Rigdon Spalding theory, they navigate the murky waters of historical documents and eyewitness accounts to present a compelling case for its consideration. By carefully laying out the best evidence, the hosts encourage listeners to critically engage with the possibility that the Book of Mormon may have origins rooted in Rigdon and Spalding’s collaboration. Join them on a quest for understanding that challenges established narratives and prompts a reevaluation of Mormon history. Chapters 00:00 Welcome & Intro 06:00 Quick Synopsis 11:00 Lines of Evidence 13:40 1: Rigdon in Pittsburg 01:07:00 2: Rigdon in possession of Spalding’s Manuscript 01:19:00 3. Rigdon & Smith met before 1831 1:58:00 Callers For next time: 3. Finish section 3 by discussing where God seems to include Rigdon in Mormon Scripture 4. Significant Overlap between manuscripts 5. Rigdon’s credibility issues discussed
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RESOURCES:
https://archive.org/details/whoreallywrotebo0000cowd/page/8/mode/2up http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/PA/penn1860.htm#020679 https://medium.com/@mormonhistoryuncut/the-spaulding-rigdon-thoery-466db17ac50c https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spalding%E2%80%93Rigdon_theory_of_Book_of_Mormon_authorship https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5wMkPI930U&list=PL1F7D837E67152083 http://www.mormonthink.com/mormonstudiesmatilda.htm http://boap.org/LDS/Early-Saints/JWhitmer-history.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO1HioblztA https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Philadelphia_Album_and_Ladies_Litera/VVNTHPSIhj8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=rangdon http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/NY/courier.htm https://solomonspalding.com/SRP/saga/saga02a.htm http://sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/IL/whig1839.htm#rigdon https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1616&context=msr https://www.solomonspalding.com/docs2/Dav1977c.htm http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/CA/natruths.htm#040088-1d2 http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/UT/tribune2.htm#041588 https://exploringmormonism.com/spaulding-rigdon-timeline/ http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/criddle/rigdon1.htm http://www.mormonthink.com/mormonstudiesrigdon.htm#26january http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/MO/sain1922.htm https://www.mormonmatters.org/debunking-the-spaulding-theory/ https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V01N04_17s.pdf http://exmormonfoundation.org/files/ExmoConfTalkCriddle.pdf http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/PA/penn1810.htm#070916 http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/criddle/rigdon1old.htm#25 https://archive.org/details/addresstoallbeli00whit/page/n7/mode/2up?q=rigdon&view=theater https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1616&context=msr https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Dan-Vogel-Problems-with-Rigdon-Spalding-Theory.pdf http://sidneyrigdon.com/criddle/rigdon1.htm
Act I, scene 4 finds us back on the castle battlements in the middle of the night keeping watch with Hamlet and Horatio for the Ghost of the dead king. Will the Ghost appear? And if the Ghost does appear, what will it say?
Join us to find out!
RFM breaks down Nephi’s panoramic vision of the future in 1 Nephi 11-14 like nobody else!
Sunday School has never been this much fun!
Join us as we dive into another scene from the most famous of all Shakespeare plays, “Hamlet!”
“To thine own self be true!”
Do We discover compelling evidence for the Book of Mormon? In this week’s “Mormonism Live,” hosts Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel, with guest John Lundwall, critically analyze the YouTube video “A Marvelous Work – The Greatness of the Evidence” by Scott Christopher and “Book of Mormon Central.” Claiming compelling evidence for the Book of Mormon’s divinity, the hosts uncover issues, scrutinizing methodology and highlighting counter-evidence. They explore complexities, aiming for a balanced perspective, fostering a thought-provoking dialogue that challenges assumptions in the original video. “Mormonism Live” serves as a concise resource for re-evaluating perspectives on the Book of Mormon. Do We discover compelling evidence for the Book of Mormon? No Instead we discover deeply deceptive apologists, false experts, and a complete misuse of data and discoveries. Info on John’s Tour here: https://adeptexpeditions.com/tours/lost-cities-maya-tour-yucatan/ Email John for a discount at: KNIGHTJL7@msn.com RESOURCES: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/swnqxq9dwnne4pcy9by5r/2008_Sana_National_Museum_Part_III_Col.pdf?rlkey=nkrfiuho5po5n607bj3rj0itz&dl=0 https://meridian.allenpress.com/tjs/article/74/1/Article%205/487323/POST-PLEISTOCENE-HORSES-EQUUS-FROM-MEXICO
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In this episode of “Think Celestial – Celestial Marriage Before 1890” we embark on a journey through the annals of Mormon history to unravel the definition of Celestial Marriage as well as “The New and Everlasting Covenant” before the pivotal year of 1890 when Wilford Woodruff issued the Manifesto marking the beginning steps of ending polygamy. Join our hosts Bill Reel and RFM as they meticulously examine historical documents and quotes from early leaders, shedding light on the evolution of Mormon theology within the LDS Church. Delving into the depths of polygamy and plural marriage, we explore how “Celestial Marriage” & “The New and Everlasting Covenant” were distinctly defined in the early days of Mormonism. Through the lens of primary sources and firsthand accounts, our hosts navigate the changing landscapes of doctrine, uncovering a fascinating contrast between the historical understanding and the modern interpretation of Celestial Marriage. As the hosts dissect archival materials, listeners gain insight into the complexities, controversies, and transformations that shaped the concept of eternal marriage in the early years of the LDS Church. “Think Celestial” invites you to reconsider preconceptions and delve into the rich historical context surrounding Celestial Marriage, bridging the gap between past and present perceptions. Join us in this exploration of Mormonism’s journey, where the celestial union took on different meanings, offering a thought-provoking glimpse into the foundations that have shaped the modern LDS understanding of eternal marriage. S9b0R2OBBGyoGzXhhTb7
RESOURCES:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Seer/Volume1/No1/Celestial_Marriage?oldid=398146
http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cgi-bin/showfile.exe?CISOROOT=%2FNCMP1847-1877&CISOPTR=2928&filename=892111612102005_iac42_1_031210_125758.pdf Celestial Marriage, by Orson Pratt (Journal of Discourses 1:53-66) (mrm.org)
https://archive.org/details/discoursesoncele00prat/mode/2up?view=theater
https://archive.org/details/discoursesoncele00prat/mode/2up?view=theater (three early leaders all in one) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_marriage#CITEREFPratt1869
https://www.eugeneengland.org/on-fidelity-polygamy-and-celestial-marriage (not useful for research but to help the reader appreciate how detrimental polygamy is to women)
https://jod.mrm.org/1/53 (Pratt’s 1852 treatise to fully explain the doctrine/theology behind plural marriage
https://archive.org/details/TheSeer18531854
https://web.archive.org/web/20100724211938/
http://www.mormonfundamentalism.com/NEWFILES/IsPMRequiredToday.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20100925074920/http://i4m.com/think/temples/celestial_marriage.htm
https://archive.org/details/patriarchalorder00spen/page/n5/mode/2up?view=theater
https://mormonpolygamydocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Celestial_Marriage_Revelations.pdf
Mormon Church Hires LGBT Ally as Head Spokesman will be our lead story tonight. We will also be covering some news about Tim Ballard, Chad Daybell, an Alcohol trademark violation in Utah, and Grant Hardy’s Annotated Book of Mormon!
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RFM does an in depth comparison of Lehi’s Dream of the Tree of Life in the Book of Mormon with a dream of Joseph Smith’s father in 1811.
The results are astonishing!
Join us for a special episode of “Mormonism LIVE” titled “Temple Madness,” where we’re turning the spotlight on the lighter side of LDS temple experiences. In this unique and entertaining episode, we invite callers from the Mormon community to share their funniest, craziest, wackiest, and most bizarre temple stories that have occurred in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints other Mormon sects. RFM and Bill Reel will be joined by Rebecca Bibliotheca and they will kick off the episode by sharing some amusing anecdotes of their own, setting the tone for a lighthearted and humorous exploration of temple-related tales. From unexpected encounters to quirky traditions, “Temple Madness” aims to showcase the human side of the Mormon experience within its sacred walls. “Temple Madness” promises to be a one-of-a-kind episode that fosters a sense of community while embracing the shared joy found in the sometimes unexpected and amusing moments within the Mormon temple tradition. Tune in for an unforgettable night of laughter and connection on “Mormonism LIVE – Temple Madness.” 02:00 Intro 06:10 Maven learns about the oaths 09:40 Wendy ___________________ Welcome to “Mormonism Live,” the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years. Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: https://mormonismlive.org/2020/12/mormonism-live/?default_interval=m
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Join Radio Free Mormon as we begin our study of the Book of Mormon using the Sunday School materials for the LDS Church.
Where you learn the stuff you’re never gonna hear in regular Sunday school!
Join us as we make Shakespeare fun, easy and fabulous! The way it was meant to be!
We begin this series with an introduction to the greatest of all Shakespeare plays–HAMLET!
Today we jump with both feet into the first scene of Hamlet! What other play has a ghost appearing not once, but twice, in the very first scene?! Hamlet is the best play ever written!
RFM covers 1 Nephi 1-5, with special emphasis on the problematic story of Nephi murdering Laban!
Growing Up Black In Mormonism [Mormonism Live: 161] Join hosts RFM and Bill Reel in this insightful episode of “Mormonism LIVE” as they engage in a candid conversation with Summur Rayn, a remarkable African American woman sharing her unique perspective on growing up in the Mormon community. We also get to her a bit about what it was like to raised in the home of a professional athlete and other unique experiences. This episode provides an invaluable opportunity to gain a deeper understanding of the experiences of Black individuals within the Mormon community, fostering empathy and dialogue around the complexities of faith, race, and identity. Welcome to “Mormonism Live,” the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years.
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RFM is gearing up TWO new weekly podcasts in 2024!
The first is “Mormon Sunday School,” which will cover the LDS Church’s “Come Follow Me” Manual on the Book of Mormon for the year.
The second is “Brush Up Your Shakespeare,” making Shakespeare fun and easy, the way it was always meant to be!
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What might we find if we search the historical record about what LDS Prophets have taught around abuse. What have they said about Rape, or Child Abuse, or Sexual Assault? What would be taught by those who held the prophetic mantle? And What about in the present. The LDS Church says it takes abuse seriously but do they in fact practice what they preach. This week on Mormonism Live we investigate the past and the present and share what we find.
*** Trigger Warning ***
This episode contains discussions of sensitive and distressing topics related to abuse within the context of Mormonism and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We will delve into past teachings, present challenges, and the lack of accountability, which may be triggering for individuals who have experienced trauma. Viewer discretion is advised. If you find these subjects distressing, consider seeking support or skipping this content for your well-being.
Chapters
3:05 Intro & Stats
19:10 Emphasis on controlling women
23:00 Tokens of virginity
27:45 The Ordeal of Bitter Water
40:50 Harshness for women
43:08 Problematic Mormon Scripture
47:45 The Miracle of Forgiveness: Better to die
1:11:40 Maven’s date gets possessive
1:08:15 The 1984 Letter
1:32:50 Richard G. Scott victim blames
1:38:50 Maven’s experiences as gatekeeper of chastity
1:45:30 Maven’s red dress
1:52:20 Maven’s experiences modding comments on modesty/sexuality
2:06:20 How the Church approaches abuse
2:27:25 Closing thoughts
Sources:
Sexual Violence in Utah, Annual Report 2021: https://vipp.health.utah.gov/wp-content/uploads/SexualViolenceInUtahReport_2021.pdf
Child Sexual Abuse – USU https://www.usu.edu/uwlp/a-bolder-way-forward/child-sexual-abuse
Utah lawmaker questions whether sex with an unconscious person is rape ‘in every instance’ – Salt Lake Tribune: https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=2136918&itype=CMSID
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Mormonism Live Presents: A Radio Free Mormon Christmas Eve Special
Hello, This is Radio Free Mormon (RFM). Bill, Maven and I are doing a special live show on Christmas Eve starting at 6:00 pm MT and running for about an hour. Thank you and a very happy holiday season to you and yours!
Join us this week as we delve into some of the latest surprises in a few high profile crime cases involving Mormonism, checking out the latest around Tim Ballard and OUR and the mysterious White Board Meeting. As Christmas approaches we take a look at the LDS Giving Machines. What do we know about how they are being utilized in terms of who is getting the goods and who gets to count the donations? As we approach the conclusion of our program, we tackle the recent land acquisitions by the LDS Church in Nebraska, exploring the motivations behind the land grab and its broader implications. Our panel discussion promises to provide diverse perspectives on the LDS Church’s Mormon Monopoly of land and property over the past decade. This and more on this weeks News Coverage!
RESOURCES:
https://youtu.be/Qh-RPMTzgQU?si=XqFhYHzRF9fbX5cF
https://www.youtube.com/live/xj2MKLr3-3M?si=_R0LWXh9YZDlt_af
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzDOgzKQibQ https://www.facebook.com/100057770485042/posts/864689548800053/?mibextid=WC7FNe https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=865127008756307&id=100057770485042&mibextid=WC7FNe https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=854883476447327&id=100057770485042&mibextid=WC7FNe https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=931961834961307&id=100044424966565&mibextid=WC7FNe https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=735463865287640&id=100064720987232&mibextid=WC7FNe https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=835040405098301&id=100057770485042&mibextid=WC7FNe https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=834949878440687&id=100057770485042&mibextid=WC7FNe https://www.instagram.com/justiceforjaredb/
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnLc7I2gyWtQ7qQ8I0u_mKsOdgXVBDqga https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=837995164802825&id=100057770485042&mibextid=WC7FNe https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/letters/2023/12/14/letter-heres-why-some-stick/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/is-being-mormon-a-requirement-to-join-the-tabernacle-choir/ar-AA1loXNR
https://www.thechurchnews.com/living-faith/2023/12/13/23999137/come-follow-me-simplifies-from-4-manuals-to-1
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2023/12/11/they-want-us-work-they-dont-want/ https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/16/world/europe/israel-hamas-money-finance-turkey-intelligence-attacks.html https://www.reddit.com/r/mormon/comments/18inie2/wealthy_exmo_paul_hutchinson_describes_the/ https://flatwaterfreepress.org/whos-buying-nebraska-after-shopping-spree-mormon-church-is-top-land-purchaser/
https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/the-mormon-church-will-soon-own-more-private-land-than-anyone-in-florida-6519089
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2022/04/05/new-database-gives-widest/ https://www.truthandtransparency.org/news/2022/04/05/lds-church-has-most-valuable-private-real-estate-portfolio-in-the-us-evidence-suggests/
https://doctorow.medium.com/the-mormon-church-owns-the-most-valuable-property-portfolio-in-america-ff590d405dd6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zovxV6_eD2Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS3C0HUfBJQ
Join us for Holiday Investigation into Jesus’ Birthday on Mormonism Live. We will delve into the intriguing topic of Jesus Christ’s alleged birthday on April 6th, 1 AD. In this episode, we tackle the longstanding belief within the LDS community that Jesus was born on this specific date, exploring the history, the leaders who propagated this idea, and the scholarly perspectives surrounding it.
Points of Discussion: 4:25 LDS Leaders and April 6th 13:30 James E. Talmage’s Role 32:00 The Church’s current stance 36:00 How the Teaching Perpetuated Investigating Interpretations Right or Wrong? Scholarly Insights
RESOURCES:
https://ldssoul.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Talmage-Jesus-the-Christ.pdf
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/jesus-the-christ/title-page?lang=eng
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2014/04/bear-up-their-burdens-with-ease?lang=eng
https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/record/793820be-acda-4e5a-a97c-edfd828d3a44/0?view=browse
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1973/04/strengthen-the-stakes-of-zion?lang=eng
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1980/05/remarks-and-dedication-of-the-fayette-new-york-buildings?lang=eng
https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/c96ce919-aa1f-4811-ae96-585f3becf8cb/0/55
http://boap.org/LDS/Presidents/L-Spencer-W-Kimball.txt
https://history.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/the-story-behind-the-story?lang=eng
https://archive.org/details/improvementera18011unse
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1975/04/why-call-me-lord-lord-and-do-not-the-things-which-i-say?lang=eng https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2022/12/when-was-jesus-born/
https://www.ldsliving.com/was-jesus-born-in-december-after-all-what-prophets-and-apostles-have-said/s/80634
https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4289&context=byusq
https://eom.byu.edu/index.php/April_6
https://bycommonconsent.com/2019/04/06/today-is-probably-not-jesuss-birthday/
Join the conversation as we navigate through history, theology, and scholarship to unravel the mystery behind April 6th as Mormon Jesus’ birthday. Don’t miss this thought-provoking episode that promises to challenge preconceptions and shed light on a lesser-known aspect of LDS teachings.
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Long-time associate and financier of Operation Underground Railroad, Paul Hutchinson, drops a video with plenty of bombshells scoring direct hits on OUR and its founder, Tim Ballard.
RFM reviews the highlights!
Good evening, and welcome to “The Mormon Times,” bringing you the latest news and stories that matter to the Latter-day Saint community. We have an exciting lineup for you tonight. Tonight we will cover the announcement of new apostle Patrick Kearon. We then turn our attention to the political landscape with breaking news and commentary about Attorney General Sean Reyes. And our last top story revolves around nationwide showing of Mormon cinematic flick “The Oath”
Mormonism LIVE ! 3rd Anniversary Special Join us for a special celebration as Mormonism Live marks its triumphant 3rd Anniversary!
Over the past three years, we’ve delved deep into the world of Mormonism, exploring its history, beliefs, and culture with thought-provoking discussions. In this milestone episode, we take a nostalgic journey through the past year’s episodes, reminiscing about the highlights, controversies, and enlightening moments that have defined our show.
Episode Highlights: Year in Review: Get ready for a trip down memory lane as we revisit the most captivating and impactful episodes from the past year. From insightful interviews to in-depth analyses, we’ll cover it all! Q&A Session: We’re turning the spotlight on YOU! Have burning questions about Mormonism, our show, or anything in between? Drop them in the comments, and we’ll answer as many as we can during the live Q&A segment. Live Phone Calls: This is your chance to be a part of the celebration! We’ll be taking live phone calls, allowing listeners to share their favorite moments, experiences, and thoughts about Mormonism Live. Dial in and join the conversation!
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RFM interviews a husband and wife who describe their experience with the LDS Church, and how they have seen firsthand what the Church does to hide child abuse!
The Toscano Excommunications! [Mormonism LIVE: 157]
4:00 Guest Intro 15:00 Courtship & Marriage
22:00 Underground documents
25:00 Paul serving a mission
29:55 Harold B Lee story
35:00 Margaret’s feminism journey
40:15 RFM first hears about the September 6
43:00 The Mormon Women’s Forum
Uncover untold stories and explore the religious complexities of Faith in this week’s episode of Mormonism LIVE! Join hosts RFM (Radio Free Mormon) and Bill Reel as they talk of excommunications within the LDS Church with none other than Paul and Margaret Toscano.
Ever wondered about the journey of those who challenge the status quo within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? Look no further! In this candid and exclusive interview, the Toscanos share their personal experiences and insights surrounding their excommunications from the LDS Church.
About our Guests: Paul and Margaret Toscano, two prominent figures with a rich history within the LDS Church, share their unique perspectives on faith, community, and the challenges they faced when their beliefs diverged from the mainstream. Gain valuable insights from their experiences and perhaps find common ground with their struggles.
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Today two important AP News stories broke:
Recordings show how the Mormon church protects itself from child Sex Abuse claims: https://apnews.com/article/mormon-church-investigation-child-sex-abuse-9c301f750725c0f06344f948690caf16
Takeaways from The AP’s investigation into the Mormon church’s handling of $ex @bu$e cases: https://apnews.com/article/mormon-church-investigation-child-sex-abuse-4db829616a5c5cfa351a2e95d778ae9e
And the Deseret News issued a response: https://www.deseret.com/2023/12/3/23986797/idaho-abuse-case-latter-day-saints-church-responds-to-ap-story
Please join us at 6pm mountain today as we launch the inaugural episode of “The Mormon Times: A Weekly Mormon News Program for the Latter-days.”
he Mormon Times will be a weekly LDS Church-themed news panel featuring Rebecca Bibliotheca (Mormonish Podcast), Bill Reel and Radio Free Mormon (Mormonism Live!), and John Dehlin (Mormon Stories Podcast).
We envision other panelists joining the program in the future as well.
RESOURCES:
https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/lds-church-responds-to-new-sex-abuse-investigation
https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/2-3b-awarded-in-sex-abuse-lawsuit-that-named-lds-church
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/how-mormons-approach-abuse
Jenn Kamp loses her request that the Bar Association review its decision dismissing her complaint against RFM!
Plus we learn more about the relationship between Jenn Kamp and the mysterious Janet Cox who filed a bar complaint against RFM, as well!
RFM covers a recent report on several sex abuse cases the LDS Church has tried to cover up!
RFM reviews the recent lawsuit filed not only against Tim Ballard and O.U.R., but also against Utah Attorney General Sean Reyes!
Join Bill Reel & RFM (Radio Free Mormon) for an engaging episode of “Mormonism LIVE,” featuring a special interview with the well-known Mormon figure, Paul Toscano. In this thought-provoking conversation, Paul will offer unique insights into his personal journey within the Mormon faith, touching upon his involvement in the infamous “September 6” event—a pivotal moment in Mormon history. Paul Toscano and his wife were key figures in the “September 6,” a group of intellectuals and scholars excommunicated from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1993. During the interview, Paul will share a glimpse into this historical moment, shedding light on the challenges faced by those who questioned certain aspects of Mormon doctrine and history. The heart of the discussion, however, will revolve around Paul’s perspective on how Mormonism remains true for him, despite the complexities and controversies that have arisen over time. Paul will delve into his personal beliefs, highlighting the resilience and adaptability of his faith in the face of challenges and historical intricacies. Whether you’re a devout follower, a curious skeptic, or someone navigating your own faith journey, this interview promises to be a nuanced exploration of the intricate relationship between individuals and their beliefs. RFM and Bill Reel, known for their insightful conversations on Mormonism, will guide the discussion with respect and openness, creating a space for a meaningful dialogue about faith, doubt, and the enduring nature of religious conviction. Tune in for a captivating episode that seeks to bridge understanding between diverse perspectives within the Mormon community, offering a platform for candid discussions on the complexities of faith and personal belief. Subscribe, like, and share as we navigate the fascinating intersections of history, belief, and the ever-evolving landscape of Mormonism.
RESOURCES: https://www.amazon.com/Books-Paul-Toscano/s?rh=n%3A283155%2Cp_27%3APaul+Toscano
Chapters
2:00 ish? Intro to Paul Toscano
12:20 Could Mormonism still be true?
16:15 My agreements with most Ex-Mormons
17:18 Other Triggers for Faith Crises
19:00 Why care about alternative narratives?
26:30 History vs Myth, Fact vs Fiction
32:00 Problems for the Church
36:40 Current Church History Timeline
42:40 Clues that it’s a myth, not a history
53:00 Godhead problems
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RFM is joined by an illustrious panel of Mormon and post-Mormons to discuss the recent order that female leaders in San Francisco wards must get off the stand.
On the panel are Carol Lynn Pearson, Lila Tueller and Martine Dirick Smith.
Breaking news regarding Tim Ballard’s use of psychic Janet Russon to locate missing children!
Welcome To The Mormon Apocalypse as we join hosts RFM and Bill Reel on a riveting episode of “Mormonism Live” as they unravel the captivating phenomenon of “The Mormon Apocalypse.” In this thought-provoking discussion, our hosts dive into the core of why there’s a surge in Mormons pondering and speculating on the apocalyptic end of times and the second coming of Jesus.
RFM and Bill Reel explore the roots of the theology that has sparked widespread discussions about the end times within the Mormon community. From celestial events to theological interpretations, our hosts dissect the various factors that contribute to this captivating phenomenon.
Tune in for a captivating conversation that delves into the reasons behind the upsurge in apocalyptic ponderings and speculations within the Mormon community. Share your thoughts in the comments section below, and let’s engage in a respectful and insightful dialogue.
In a stunning turn of events, the LDS Church proves that, when given the choice between protecting a child molester or protecting his victims, the LDS Church protects the child molester!
This one has to be heard to be believed!
According to Mormon millionaire Russell Brunson, the 9/15/23 Church Statement condemning Tim Ballard is full of lies.
Russell Brunson therefore believes the Church Statement is a fake.
What he doesn’t seem to consider is the Church might actually have lied in an official statement.
This episode explores that possibility!
In this episode of Mormonism LIVE titled “Voice From The Dust: The Life of Moroni,” we embark on a captivating journey through the life of Moroni, the last surviving Nephite and guardian of the sacred golden plates. Join us as we delve into Moroni’s early years, exploring his upbringing in a time of great turmoil and upheaval, as the Nephite civilization faced its ultimate demise. Through historical context, we uncover the challenges and pivotal moments that shaped Moroni into the stalwart figure he would become and led to his violent death.
Chapters:
3:45 Moroni’s Birth
19:15 Moroni’s travel map
35:30 Moroni’s rules
40:00 Alvin’s Hand
59:50 Joseph’s 1832 journal account
1:05:00 1838 First Vision account
1:18:00 Mary Whitmer
1:49:00 Monkey in a box
2:00:00 The death of Moroni
Callers
2:10:30 Caller Edward: What’s up with Marvel?
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Welcome to Mormonism LIVE! In this installment, hosts RFM and Bill Reel delve into the intricacies of the excommunication of a couple who were previous guests on the show. (Ep. 145Shunning by decree https://youtube.com/live/HmUTeRWuLtA) Join us as we examine the details surrounding their church discipline and the broader implications for those involved. In “Excommunicated In Absentia,” RFM and Bill Reel bring their signature insightful commentary and analysis to shed light on the complexities surrounding this issue. Drawing from their extensive knowledge of Mormonism, they aim to foster understanding and dialogue within the community. Whether you’re a devout member of the LDS Church, an ex-Mormon, or simply curious about the inner workings of LDS Church discipline, this episode promises to offer valuable insights and perspectives. Join us for a lively discussion that seeks to promote empathy, compassion, and open conversation.
Chapters:
05:45 Episode 145 recap
21:15 Disciplinary Notice
33:00 Sara’s Email
41:20 President Morgan’s response
57:20 Mitja’s Statement
1:05:30 Sara’s Response
1:15:00 A Surprising Response
1:20:45 The Letter
1:58:30 Caller Sally: Mitja as scapegoat
2:01:05 Caller David: You are heroes
2:05:00 Caller Marzipan: It’ll get better
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Get ready for a bombshell episode of “Shocking New Claims In Tim Ballard Lawsuit!” on Radio Free Mormon. In this riveting installment, our host RFM meticulously unpacks the latest revelations in the lawsuit involving Tim Ballard, founder of Operation Underground Railroad (OUR), and Utah Attorney General Sean Reyes.
RESOURCES:
https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2023/10/27/utah-ag-sean-reyes-tim-ballard/
https://kutv.com/news/local/tim-ballard-faces-new-allegations-involving-latter-day-saint-leader-utah-attorney-general-sean-reyes-in-lawsuit-filed-trafficking-rescue-missions-couples-ruse-operation-underground-railroad
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Welcome to another episode of Radio Free Mormon, where we dissect the latest Class Action Against the LDS (Mormon) Church. In this episode, our esteemed host RFM takes a deep dive into the lawsuit filed against the Church, which you can read about in detail here.
The lawsuit raises critical questions about the Church’s handling of sensitive matters and its responsibility towards its members. RFM provides insightful analysis, shedding light on the legal nuances and potential implications of this case.
Join us for an engaging discussion as RFM brings his legal knowledge to offer perspective.
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In Part 4 of “Breaking Silence,” host RFM delves into the deeply sensitive and contentious allegations surrounding Tim Ballard, the founder of Operation Underground Railroad (O.U.R.). Five women have come forward with claims that have shaken the foundation of Ballard’s humanitarian efforts. Join us in Part 4 as we navigate through the intricate web of testimonies, seeking truth, understanding, and justice of the second and third women’s statements. Through rigorous research, candid interviews, and thoughtful analysis, we aim to shed light on the complexities of this case and provide a platform for voices that have long been marginalized. “Breaking Silence” is not just about scrutinizing the allegations, but also about fostering a dialogue that encourages accountability and empathy. Together, we’ll embark on a journey towards clarity, empathy, and ultimately, the pursuit of justice.
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In Part 3 of “Breaking Silence,” host RFM delves into the deeply sensitive and contentious allegations surrounding Tim Ballard, the founder of Operation Underground Railroad (O.U.R.). Five women have come forward with claims that have shaken the foundation of Ballard’s humanitarian efforts. Join us in Part 3 as we navigate through the intricate web of testimonies, seeking truth, understanding, and justice of the second and third women’s statements. Through rigorous research, candid interviews, and thoughtful analysis, we aim to shed light on the complexities of this case and provide a platform for voices that have long been marginalized. “Breaking Silence” is not just about scrutinizing the allegations, but also about fostering a dialogue that encourages accountability and empathy. Together, we’ll embark on a journey towards clarity, empathy, and ultimately, the pursuit of justice. You can support Radio Free Mormon by donating here https://radiofreemormon.org/donate-radio-free-mormon/ Thanks so much for watching! Please like, subscribe, and leave a comment! Visit our Channel to find all the desired info on Mormonism! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5n_8_6j00PSeju0hu2CFXQ You can support our channel by donating here! (We are a 501C3 Non-Profit) https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/
In Part 2 of “Breaking Silence,” host RFM delves into the deeply sensitive and contentious allegations surrounding Tim Ballard, the founder of Operation Underground Railroad (O.U.R.). Five women have come forward with claims that have shaken the foundation of Ballard’s humanitarian efforts. Join us in Part 2 as we navigate through the intricate web of testimonies, seeking truth, understanding, and justice of the second and third women’s statements. Through rigorous research, candid interviews, and thoughtful analysis, we aim to shed light on the complexities of this case and provide a platform for voices that have long been marginalized. “Breaking Silence” is not just about scrutinizing the allegations, but also about fostering a dialogue that encourages accountability and empathy. Together, we’ll embark on a journey towards clarity, empathy, and ultimately, the pursuit of justice. You can support Radio Free Mormon by donating here https://radiofreemormon.org/donate-radio-free-mormon/ Thanks so much for watching! Please like, subscribe, and leave a comment! Visit our Channel to find all the desired info on Mormonism! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5n_8_6j00PSeju0hu2CFXQ You can support our channel by donating here! (We are a 501C3 Non-Profit) https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/
In Part 1 of “Breaking Silence,” host RFM delves into the deeply sensitive and contentious allegations surrounding Tim Ballard, the founder of Operation Underground Railroad (O.U.R.). Five women have come forward with claims that have shaken the foundation of Ballard’s humanitarian efforts. Join us in Part 1 as we begin navigate through the intricate web of testimonies, seeking truth, understanding, and justice. Through rigorous research, candid interviews, and thoughtful analysis, we aim to shed light on the complexities of this case and provide a platform for voices that have long been marginalized. “Breaking Silence” is not just about scrutinizing the allegations, but also about fostering a dialogue that encourages accountability and empathy. Together, we’ll embark on a journey towards clarity, empathy, and ultimately, the pursuit of justice. You can support Radio Free Mormon by donating here https://radiofreemormon.org/donate-radio-free-mormon/
Join us for a special episode of “Mormonism LIVE,” where hosts Bill Reel & RFM (Radio Free Mormon) sit down with Kody Brown, one of the central figures from the popular TV show “Sister Wives.” In this exclusive interview, we delve deep into the world of polygamy, exploring both the personal and cultural aspects of this controversial practice. Kody Brown has opened up his life to the public through the hit reality series “Sister Wives.” Together, they navigate the complexities and challenges of plural marriage, giving viewers a unique perspective into a lifestyle that is both intriguing and controversial. In this candid conversation, Kody shares his experiences, insights, and reflections on living plural marriage within the context of his faith. RFM and Bill Reel, known for their thoughtful and probing discussions on Mormonism, bring their expertise to bear on this fascinating subject. They will guide the conversation with sensitivity, seeking to foster understanding and promote meaningful dialogue around the complexities of faith, family, and relationships. Whether you’re a long-time fan of “Sister Wives,” someone with a curiosity about alternative family structures, or simply interested in exploring the diverse tapestry of religious beliefs, this interview promises to be an enlightening and thought-provoking experience. Tune in for a captivating discussion that delves into the heart of a lifestyle that challenges societal norms and offers a window into a world often hidden from public view.
Get ready for a spine-tingling Halloween special as “Mormonism LIVE” takes a chilling detour into the world of the paranormal. In this special episode, hosts Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel play on the motif of the legendary “Coast to Coast AM” radio show, inviting you to share your most hair-raising ghost stories and inexplicable encounters live on this week’s show. Join us as we venture into the unexplained, peeling back the layers of eerie tales and mysterious happenings. From shadowy figures to ghostly apparitions, the lines between the living and the supernatural blur as our audience shares their firsthand accounts of the otherworldly. Bill Reel and Radio Free Mormon bring their signature wit, insight, and open-mindedness to this unique exploration of the unknown. Whether you’re a skeptic or a believer, this episode promises to deliver a Halloween experience like no other. So, gather ’round and prepare to be both spooked and spellbound in this unforgettable Coast to Coast special.
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RFM reviews the statement of the husband in the most recent lawsuit filed against Tim Ballard!
RFM reviews the statement of the married woman in the most recent lawsuit against Tim Ballard.
And here I thought things were crazy already . . . !
This week’s episode “Mormonism’s Holy Matrimony” takes listeners on a journey through the hidden annals of Mormon history, exploring the controversial teachings of early LDS leaders that suggest Jesus Christ was married and what we know about Christ’s descendants. Delving deep into historical documents Bill Reel and RFM unravel the layers of visibility and acknowledgement surrounding these teachings. Through meticulous research, we aim to shed light on the suppressed narratives, examining the motives behind the LDS Church’s efforts to distance itself from these teachings in a bid to conform to societal norms. This episode confronts the tension between tradition and revelation and the LDS Church need to fit in and appear mainstream. With a balanced approach, we strive to provide a comprehensive view of this complex issue, respecting diverse perspectives within and outside the Church. The podcast culminates in a couple of surprise discoveries that unveil the startling truth about the official status of these teachings within the LDS Church. Drawing on extensive research these discoveries promise to be a significant addition to our collective understanding of the intricate relationship between early LDS beliefs and the Church’s evolving doctrine on this issue. “Was Jesus Married and Who Are His Descendants” invites listeners to re-examine their perceptions of Mormon history, faith, and the ongoing evolution of religious doctrine. Join us on this riveting journey as we uncover the truth about past doctrine.
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In this episode of “Mormonism Live” hosted by RFM and Bill Reel, we delve deeper into the intricate web of connections between former Operation Underground Railroad president Tim Ballard and LDS Apostle Elder M. Russell Ballard. We uncover the morally ambiguous terrain that surrounds these two figures. As the fallout from the allegations against Tim Ballard continues, a stark division emerges. On one side, a Mormon Church spokesman, Doug Andersen, vehemently denies any involvement of Elder M. Russell Ballard in Tim Ballard’s ventures. Tim Ballard, defending his position, maintains that he never exploited Elder Ballard’s name for financial gain, insisting that they had no business dealings.
However, as our investigative journey explores the surrounding allegations, the possibility that both Ballards are entangled in more than one dubious enterprise, casts shadows over their declarations of innocence. During a alleged clandestine meeting of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles, shocking revelations emerge, shedding light on the shared interests of the Ballards in the creation of the film “Sound of Freedom.” This motion picture, we discover, was perhaps not only a means to immortalize and enrich Tim Ballard but also a missionary tool to further the cause of Mormonism. The allegations of sexual misconduct against Tim Ballard take a disturbing turn as unnamed victims come forward, accusing him of invoking Elder Russell Ballard’s name to exert spiritual influence, alledgedly leading to illicit sexual encounters. In this episode, we unravel a narrative where lines blur, loyalties are tested, and dark secrets come to light. Join us as we navigate the treacherous terrain of morality and power dynamics, echoing the iconic words from “Breaking Bad”: “I am the one who knocks.” “The Ballards Breaking Bad” reveals a complex tale of victimhood and complicity, leaving us to ponder whether Elder M. Russell Ballard is a victim, an accomplice, or something else entirely in this intricate web of deception.
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After initially siding with Tim Ballard against the LDS Church, Glenn Beck has done some investigation and is now turning on Tim Ballard.
RFM reviews a recent Blaze News article on the subject which presents a lot more information!
To RFM’s surprise he has received a 2nd Bar Complaint and this time rather than Jenn Kamp, it comes from a total stranger. So todays Episode will share with fans and followers of the Radio Free Mormon Podcast the latest effort to get RFM disbarred!
In ‘Decoding General Conference’, we delve deep into the recent October 2023 LDS General Conference. Join us as we uncover the subtle nuances, hidden messages, and underlying themes of the most newsworthy talks. Explore the intersection of faith, fear, and leadership methods, and gain fresh perspectives on the tactics and evolving doctrines. It’s a journey of revelation and insight that challenges conventional narratives.
Chapters
10:00 Renlund’s new baptism Doctrine
18:00 Oaks – Abiding by the laws of the kingdom
41:55 Waddell –
54:55 Waddell – all questions answered in life of Jesus
1:06:00 Nelson – “Think Celestial”
1:09:15 TK Smoothie
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RFM recaps the final session of Oct 2023 GenCon
RFM recaps the First Sunday session of Oct 2023 GenCon
RFM breaks down the Saturday Evening Session of October 2023 General Conference!
RFM recaps the Saturday Afternoon session of General Conference, October 2023!
RFM hits the high and low points of 2023 October General Conference!
Mormon Church Seeks To Silence Whistleblower?: ML: 146 Mormonism Live has been watching from afar this story with 8 passengers and Jodi Hildebrandt and has for tonight’s episode zoomed in real close to look at a particular facet connection to the story to once again shine a light on the deep unhealthiness that permeates LDS Leadership and once again show that loyalty and obedience seem to be prioritized character traits over doing what is right and good. Full interview at Mormon Stories: https://www.youtube.com/live/_gvsqvz92KM?si=iSkKfG8gxrgPzNjU
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7:30 Two Mormon General Authorities
12:20 Camp Little Lemhi Abuse Incident
20:55 Abuser’s Conviction 28:05 Mormon Homophobia among BSA
30:10 Suing BSA 36:35 Changing Idaho Law
49:45 Elder Hillam and the Perversion Files
57:30 Hillam Tries to ruin Adam’s marriage
1:05:40 Jodi’s “therapy” and Mormon doctrine on masturbation
1:18:00 Systemic destruction of marriages 1:25:40 Weaponizing Honor Code Office
1:33:15 Marriage & Entrapment
1:47:10 Custody Battles
1:57:55 Trying to get back into BYU
2:13:15 Updates & Comments
2:20:00 Calls Mormon Stories Interviews with Tim Kosnoff:
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Mormonism Live has been watching from afar this story with 8 passengers and Jodi Hildebrandt and has for tonight’s episode zoomed in real close to look at a particular facet connection to the story to once again shine a light on the deep unhealthiness that permeates LDS Leadership and once again show that loyalty and obedience seem to be prioritized character traits over doing what is right and good. Full interview at Mormon Stories: https://www.youtube.com/live/_gvsqvz92KM?si=iSkKfG8gxrgPzNjU Chapters: 1:45 Intro & Overview 7:30 Two Mormon General Authorities 12:20 Camp Little Lemhi Abuse Incident 20:55 Abuser’s Conviction 28:05 Mormon Homophobia among BSA 30:10 Suing BSA 36:35 Changing Idaho Law 49:45 Elder Hillam and the Perversion Files 57:30 Hillam Tries to ruin Adam’s marriage 1:05:40 Jodi’s “therapy” and Mormon doctrine on masturbation 1:18:00 Systemic destruction of marriages 1:25:40 Weaponizing Honor Code Office 1:33:15 Marriage & Entrapment 1:47:10 Custody Battles 1:57:55 Trying to get back into BYU 2:13:15 Updates & Comments 2:20:00 Calls Mormon Stories Interviews with Tim Kosnoff: https://youtube.com/live/d2bMslFMybs https://youtube.com/live/SOnci7Zjbic https://youtube.com/live/6kkHUiOs6us Radio Free Mormon Sex Scandal Coverup: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdDu84bkhDdYlYameRuC9Yc___________________ Welcome to “Mormonism Live,” the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years. Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: https://mormonismlive.org/2020/12/mormonism-live/?default_interval=m
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In this eye-opening episode of Radio Free Mormon, RFM delves deep into the tangled web of the Mormon Church’s involvement with Tim Ballard and Operation Underground Railroad (O.U.R.). Despite the Church’s public statements asserting no official ties to Ballard’s organization, RFM presents compelling evidence that contradicts these claims. Beginning with a meticulous examination of the Church Newsroom’s statements, RFM uncovers a startling revelation: on the very day the Church declared its non-affiliation with O.U.R., it was simultaneously scrubbing references and articles from its official website that demonstrated clear support for Tim Ballard and his mission. RFM meticulously outlines the timeline, revealing a pattern of duplicity that raises critical questions about the transparency and honesty of the Mormon Church. Through careful analysis, he dissects the conflicting narratives presented by the Church, shedding light on the intricate dance between public image and hidden agendas.
Listeners will be riveted as RFM unearths archived material, demonstrating the Church’s active endorsement of Tim Ballard and O.U.R. in the past. He highlights key statements, speeches, and publications that unequivocally demonstrate the Church’s historical alignment with Ballard’s mission to combat human trafficking. Furthermore, RFM raises essential ethical and moral considerations surrounding the Church’s involvement with O.U.R. He challenges listeners to reflect on the implications of this discrepancy, emphasizing the importance of trust and accountability within any religious institution. As the episode unfolds, RFM provides a comprehensive analysis that encourages critical thinking and a reevaluation of the Church’s stance on O.U.R. He skillfully weaves together threads of evidence, leaving listeners with a compelling case for skepticism and a renewed commitment to seeking truth.
“This Is Why You Can’t Trust the Mormon Church!” is a powerful episode that underscores the necessity of transparency, integrity, and ethical responsibility within religious organizations.
In this episode “Tim Ballard Operative Speaks Out!” Radio Free Mormon dives deep into the shadows of “Operation Underground Railroad” (OUR) with an exclusive interview featuring an operative who has chosen to break their silence. With firsthand experience working inside OUR, the operative sheds light on the controversial organization and its founder, Tim Ballard. Listeners will be taken on a journey through the intricate web of child rescue missions, revealing startling revelations about the methods employed by OUR. The interview explores the shocking claims of psychic intelligence being utilized as a cornerstone of their operations, as detailed in the Vice exposé, and delves into the dark underbelly of the trafficking industry. Drawing from the Vice articles linked below, RFM and the operative discuss the contentious production of “Sound of Freedom,” a film that came under scrutiny for its portrayal of an underage trafficking victim. The conversation provides a chilling glimpse into the blurred lines between advocacy and exploitation. The informant offers a unique perspective on the fallout and its implications for both Ballard and the organization he founded. “Tim Ballard Operative Speaks Out!” is an eye-opening episode that confronts the complexities and controversies surrounding Operation Underground Railroad. Listeners will gain invaluable insights into the motives, methods, and morality of an organization claiming to be on the frontlines of the battle against human trafficking. Don’t miss this exclusive exposé that challenges the narrative and prompts critical reflection on the pursuit of justice.
RFM recounts late-breaking details of how Tim Ballard used a female psychic to find missing children.
*SPOILER ALERT* No missing children were found.
VICE News is reporting that Paul Hutchinson, a former close associate of Tim Ballard and member of Operation Underground Railroad, is alleged to have touched a female minor’s bare breasts while on an OUR mission in Mexico.
RFM breaks down these allegations, as well as presenting the latest on the Tim Ballard/Elder Ballard/O.U.R. situation!
While LDS Church leadership has been sitting on its hands saying nothing after the bombshell press release last Friday made national news, Tim Ballard strikes back with a public statement effectively pinning Church leaders to the mat!
Vice News is reporting today that at least seven female employees of Operation Underground Railroad have claimed former O.U.R. President Tim Ballard sexually harassed them.
According to Vice News, THIS is the reason Tim Ballard stepped down from being President of O.U.R. several months ago.
The LDS Church issued a statement last Friday (9-15-23) condemning Tim Ballard of Operation Underground Railroad as being “morally unethical.”
Now famous Mormon radio and podcast personality Glenn Beck has gotten into the mix standing up for Tim Ballard AGAINST the LDS Church!
You have to hear it to believe it!
In this eye-opening episode of “Radio Free Mormon,” host RFM joined by Rebecca Bibliotheca & Landon Brophy from the “Mormonish Podcast” delve into the complex world of Mormon apologetics, shedding light on a controversial connection between the apologetic group “Book of Mormon Central” and the LDS Church. Despite claiming independence, evidence suggests that the Church plays a significant role in funding and exerting directional influence when necessary. RFM explores the high-stakes nature of this intricate relationship. He uncovers how the Church’s involvement in Book of Mormon Central raises questions about transparency and accountability within the Mormon apologetics sphere. Is Book of Mormon Central truly an independent entity, or is it, in essence, a venture controlled by the LDS Church? RFM meticulously dissects the financial ties, organizational structures, and decision-making dynamics that blur the lines between Book of Mormon Central and the LDS Church. Through meticulous research and insightful analysis, he unveils the potential impact of this connection on the narratives and defenses presented by Mormon apologists. Join RFM and Rebecca Bibliotheca & Landon Brophy as they navigate through the labyrinthine world of Mormon apologetics, peeling back layers of complexity to reveal a relationship that challenges the notion of independence. This episode will leave you questioning the boundaries between faith, scholarship, and institutional influence. Don’t miss this episode of “Radio Free Mormon” that proves that sometimes, the riskiest business is the one happening behind closed doors.
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In this explosive episode of “Radio Free Mormon,” RFM delves into the shocking revelations surrounding “Operation Underground Railroad” (OUR) and anti-trafficking activist Tim Ballard (OUR). Documents obtained by VICE News unveil a complex web of connections, alleging that a prominent figure within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, President M. Russell Ballard, played a secret role in “Operation Underground Railroad” activities. Insider information describes Ballard’s claims of a covert collaboration between OUR, his personal ventures, and the senior church leader Russell M Ballard. Their alleged aim: to use the anti-trafficking cause as a means to draw Americans into the Mormon faith. As RFM uncovers the intricate details, listeners will learn about the extent of the ties between the two Ballards, involving business arrangements, blessings, and even interactions with a psychic claiming to communicate beyond the veil. Moreover, the episode highlights the fallout from these revelations. Tim Ballard’s departure from “Operation Underground Railroad” amid internal investigations coincided with the unexpected success of “Sound of Freedom,” a fictionalized account of his child-rescue missions. RFM dissects the statements provided by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which firmly denounces any endorsement or support for “Operation Underground Railroad” and Tim Ballard’s projects. The podcast uncovers a trove of psychic readings, purportedly used in OUR’s operations, raising questions about the legitimacy of their missions. As the episode unfolds, RFM explores the ramifications of these revelations on Tim Ballard’s professional and political aspirations. Despite being effectively denounced by the Mormon power structure, Ballard’s persistence and ability to reinvent himself remain remarkable. Listeners will be captivated by this in-depth exposé, shedding light on a controversy that challenges perceptions of faith, activism, and personal ambition. “Operation Underground Railroad Unveiled: The Tim Ballard Controversy” promises to be a riveting and thought-provoking installment of “Radio Free Mormon.”
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One LDS couple shares their experience about how the LDS Church tries to prevent members from sharing uncomfortable truths with each other.
Chapters
5:00 Guest introduction
15:00 The video that started it all
24:00 Voting opposed 44:00 Fast & Testimony Meeting
50:00 Canceling church
58:00 Chatbot and circular reasoning
59:30 Aftermath of the testimony meeting
1:02:30 The nightmare
1:05:00 Email from the Bishop
1:15:15 Stake President meets him in the parking lot
1:17:00 Another fast & testimony meeting
1:37:25 The Cops show up at the house
1:50:00 A Cowardly Letter from Kirton McConkie
2:03:45 The Texts 2:17:15 In Closing
2:26:00 Calls Episodes mentioned:
The Rules of the Game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c4md93lOm8
Why Mormons Are So Fake: Radio Free Mormon: 079: Why Are Mormons So Fake – Radio Free Mormon
LDS AI Chat: LDSBot.com
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Radio Free Mormon shares with his audience the latest saga regarding Jenn Kamp. That in fact Jenn Kamp has attempted to get Radio Free Mormon disbarred. RFM explains the dirty little details in this episode and shares with his audience both what Jenn shared in her claims and what the Washington State Bar Association responded…. Did RFM get disbarred? Did Jenn Kamp have a viable claim? Can RFM continue to practice law? All this and more in today’s episode of Radio Free Mormon “Jenn Kamp Tries to Get RFM Disbarred”
Embark with “Mormonism Live” on a thought-provoking journey with its hosts Bill Reel and RFM in their podcast, “Is Mormonism True Or Is It A Fraud?” as they investigate the LDS Church Truth claims, how those claims run into a wall of contradictions, and how the LDS Church simply moved the goalposts so as to make Mormonism indiscernible from a fraud. This podcast sheds light on the problematic issues that have cast shadows of doubt upon the LDS faithful as Bill Reel and RFM take you on a captivating exploration of the Church’s ever-evolving framing of these issues. Discover how, when faced with the doubts and faith crises of LDS believers, the Church and its apologists have skillfully retreated on each issue, artfully crafting new narratives that blur the line between truth and potential fraud. The podcast unravels Joseph Smith and the Mormon Church’s truth claims, examining the complex history that surrounds the foundational beliefs of the LDS faith. In “Is Mormonism True Or Is It A Fraud?” you’ll gain a deeper understanding of the delicate balance between faith and skepticism within the LDS community. Join us as we navigate the intricate landscape of Mormonism, questioning the past while seeking to uncover the truth in the present.
RESOURCES:
Dr. John Lundwall explains how the Book of Mormon not only contains anachronisms, but is actually an anachronism itself. Chapters 08:00 John’s intro 10:10 Orality & Literacy 11:12 Entire presentation summarized in one slide 23:00 Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man 24:00 The Medium is the message 27:15 Printing Press as Medium 32:00 Oral and Literate Mediums 41:20 Oral Imprinting Press 52:30 Secondary Orality 57:15 Metal Plates: History or Ritual? 58:00 Literate thinking 1:00:00 Mythologizing History 1:04:30 Evolution of Religion 1:07:00 Evolution of the Word 1:20:00 Joseph Smith Assumes History is Literate 1:31:30 Nephite & Lamanite Civilizations are Fully Literate
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RFM reviews insights from Lester Bush’s groundbreaking 1973 Dialogue article on the history of the priesthood and temple ban!
In this episode, we delve deep into the controversial history of the LDS (Latter-day Saints) Church’s priesthood ban, shedding light on the untold truths and deceptions that shaped this discriminatory practice. From its mysterious origins to its lasting impact, we uncover a story that challenges the foundation of faith and reveals the complex interplay of faith, culture, and racism.
RESOURCES:
Lester Bush’s original Article – https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V08N01_13.pdf
Lester Bush – https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1032&context=mormonhistory pg 229
https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1013&context=arrington_stwriting
Elder Oaks “Be One Celebration” – https://youtu.be/ZXrlHULMFcE
Bruce R McConkie “All Are Alike unto God” – https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/bruce-r-mcconkie/alike-unto-god/
Bruce R. McConkie April 1980 “The Coming Tests and Trials and Glory”
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1980/04/the-coming-tests-and-trials-and-glory?lang=eng
Randy Bott – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_L._Bott
Official Statement of the Church
Elder Holland – https://www.pbs.org/mormons/interviews/holland.html
2007 “The Mormons”
Abraham 1: 21-22, 26-27
Moses Chapter 7: 6-8
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/moses/7?lang=eng
Joseph Smith “Messenger & Advocate – pg 289 https://archive.org/details/latterdaysaintsm01unse/page/n303/mode/2up
Brigham Young address before the legislative assembly of the Territory of Utah on January 6, 1852
https://archive.org/details/CR100317B0001F0017/mode/2up
https://www.theroot.com/do-most-whites-have-traces-of-african-dna-as-i-do-1790874465
https://www.vox.com/2014/12/22/7431391/guess-where-white-americans-have-the-most-african-ancestry
Dr Lowry Nelson Correspondence – https://www.mormonstories.org/lowry-nelson/
Race and The Priesthood Gospel Topic Essay https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/race-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng
1969 First Presidency Letter – http://exhibits.usu.edu/files/original/aecf91ae5ab5e2af3892cd200971fd39.pdf
Missed In Sunday School – https://missedinsunday.com/category/memes/race/
Brigham Young’s Prophecy – https://jod.mrm.org/2/136
Racist LDS Teacings – https://bib.irr.org/brigham-young-on-race-later-comments
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Listen in while RFM takes a Church survey about why people leave the Church!
My favorite part is imagining Church leaders reading these answers!
Here is a link to the survey if you want to let the Church know how you feel.
Dismantling Brian Hales’ Book of Mormon Defense: ML: 141 In this episode, hosts RFM and Bill Reel team up with LDS scholar Dan Vogel to critically examine the arguments put forth by LDS apologist Brian Hales in defense of the Book of Mormon’s authenticity. They discuss Hales’ reasons and defenses of why the BOM can’t possibly be a work of fiction authored without God’s involvement. The conversation offers a scholarly exploration of the strengths and weaknesses of Hales’ defense, encouraging listeners to engage in thoughtful analysis of the Book of Mormon’s origins.
RESOURCES:
https://www.rickgrunder.com/parallels/mp193.pdf
https://missedinsunday.com/memes/scripture/paul-vs-moroni/
https://missedinsunday.com/memes/other/adamic-language/
https://missedinsunday.com/memes/scripture/plagiarism-in-book-of-mormon/
https://missedinsunday.com/memes/scripture/king-james-bible/
http://www.fullerconsideration.com/TempleNameOracle/
https://missedinsunday.com/memes/scripture/mark-16/
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Brian Hales & The Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Book Review: ML: 140 We lost Dan due to storms affecting his internet connection, so join us next week for part 2! In this week’s episode, Mormon apologist Brian Hales enters the scene to deliver a 2-star review of “Charisma under Pressure,” the groundbreaking book by Mormon critic Dan Vogel. As the battle of perspectives unfolds, it becomes apparent that Brian’s review may not be all it seems, raising questions about intellectual honesty and genuine consideration. While giving us all pause to consider the believing mindset and church loyalty of its apologists while also considering the fine line between passionate belief and intentional misleading.
Chapters
09:00 The Review
17:30 Brian Hales by the numbers
23:25 The first paragraph
28:00 Brian makes the caricatures 32:30 Second paragraph
34:15 God of the (dictation) gap
48:00 RFM on the revelations Joseph also got
50:00 BoM a “complex” book
1:08:45 Joseph’s Composition and Oratory skills
1:27:45 Bill goes over proof he is a liar
1:30:45 Caller: Brian, words aren’t miracles
1:39:20 NaNoWriMo
1:45:25 Caller: I wrote my 77,000 Master’s thesis as a mom of 5 in two months
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I had a number of interesting adventures on my one-week trip to Utah to present at Sunstone!
This is the story.
The names have been changed to protect the innocent.
Or not!
Step off the beaten path of Mormon history and venture into the realm of relics & artifacts that shed light on lesser-known aspects of the Mormon faith. Delve into the enigmatic history of handkerchiefs, coffin canes, along with other obscure artifacts that whisper compelling tales from the annals of Mormon History.
Chapters:
13:00 Zelph Arrowhead
24:00ish Everything Joseph trips over ends up supremely significant
26:00 Masonic Apron 27:40 Joseph’s Red Silk Handkerchief
31:20 Joseph Smith Nauvoo Legion Attire
32:45 Joseph’s Pepperbox Pistol
34:30 Hyrum’s clothing at Martyrdom and the box the plates were stored in
37:10 Coffin Canes
54:00 David Whitmer Chest & Martin Harris Leather Wallet
54:45 John Taylor Watch
57:45 Mormon Gold Coins
59:00 They are substandard
01:03:10 Hyrum Smith’s Sunglasses
01:03:55 Book of Abraham Printing Plates
01:11:10 Oliver Cowdery’s Rod of Aaron
01:20:00 James Rafael update
01:26:50 Caller: Captain Moroni
01:32:30 Caller: Kate on Nauvoo pageant
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RFM and Bill Reel are joined by Spencer who shares the latest from the Widows Mite Report (https://widowsmitereport.wordpress.com/) and share their latest reveal calling into question the perception that the Deseret Mutual Benefit Administration (DMBA) was at the same time Ensign Peak was being investigated, allegedly doing the same funny business as Ensign Peak was in not filing 13F forms disclosing investment assets. Spencer runs us through the data and informs us that an anonymous person has filed complaints with the SEC. He shows that Beneficial Life may have also been doing the same thing. We are informed that a familiar face was on the board of DMBA and we also learn about “Plan Z”. While the Church has considered the SEC escapade closed, it appears that these prophets may not have seen around corners.
Widow’s Mite Report on the DMBA – https://widowsmitereport.wordpress.com/dmba/
SEC Report – https://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2023/34-96951.pdf
Mormonism Live covering the SEC scandal – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81zb4ZQx6gM
On March 7, 2023, a four-hour evidentiary hearing was held on Jenn Kamp‘s petition to have a permanent anti-stalking order placed against John Dehlin.
This is the full audio of that hearing!
Join us on a captivating episode as we explore the multifaceted life of Samuel Brannan, a charismatic leader who played a pivotal role in both in Mormonism and the California Gold Rush. We trace Brannan’s journey from his membership in Mormonism, to his leading a group of Mormon pioneers on the perilous voyage of the Brooklyn, and his transformation into a savvy businessman and perhaps California’s first millionaire. Learn about the voyage of the Brooklyn as we examine the motivations behind this perilous journey, tracing it back to the religious aspirations of the Mormon community at the time. Delve into the trials and triumphs faced by the passengers, the challenges of sea travel during that era, and the subsequent impact of the voyage on the development of Mormon settlements in California. We discuss Brannan and the Mormons arrival in California, and Brannan’s subsequent involvement in the booming industry around the California Gold Rush. Discover the complex legacy of Samuel Brannan, whose actions left an indelible mark on both religious and economic landscapes. This episode uncovers the unique intersection of faith, manifest destiny, and migration in American history.
RESOURCES:
Voyage of the Brooklyn Saints – Wikipedia
Mormon pioneers – Wikipedia
History of Ship Brooklyn Celebrated in California (churchofjesuschrist.org)
Ship Brooklyn | California Pioneer Heritage Foundation
Quest to Find the Painting of the Ship Brooklyn (familysearch.org)
Brooklyn, California – Wikipedia
https://scholarlypublishingcollective.org/uip/dial/article-pdf/21/3/46/1959236/45228009.pdf
True Community: Latter-day Saints in San Bernardino, 1851–1857 (churchofjesuschrist.org)
Ship Brooklyn Historical Marker (hmdb.org)
California’s Pioneer Era 1846-1886 | California Pioneer Heritage Foundation
California Beginnings: 1846 | Religious Studies Center (byu.edu)
LDS Church in California | ChurchOfJesusChristWikia | Fandom
Mormon Pioneers 1846 ship Brooklyn (geni.com)
So. Cal. Settlers | California Pioneer Heritage Foundation
Brooklyn – Oakland – LocalWiki
California Beginnings: 1846 | Religious Studies Center (byu.edu)
The Mormon Battalion: Recent discoveries help unravel mysteries after 175 years – LDS Living
Samuel Brannan and the Gold Rush Historical Marker (hmdb.org)
Latter-day Scoundrel Sam Brannan (historynet.com)
Thomas Rhoads | California Pioneer Heritage Foundation
Clarksville | California Pioneer Heritage Foundation
The San Bernardino Colony: 1851–57 | Religious Studies Center (byu.edu)
When Mormons dominated Yerba Buena (sfgate.com)
New Hope | California Pioneer Heritage Foundation
WT-Guide-to-Mormon-Historical-Sites.pdf (museumoflocalhistory.org)
The Mormon Ship Brooklyn Sailing into 1800s San Francisco – The Maritime Heritage Project
Mormon Trails (churchofjesuschrist.org)
California Living History | Welcome…
California, Pioneer Settlements in – The Encyclopedia of Mormonism (byu.edu)
Picturing history: Sam Brannan and the Brooklyn – Deseret News
The Saga of the Brooklyn: 1845–46 | Religious Studies Center (byu.edu)
Samuel Brannan – Mormonism, The Mormon Church, Beliefs, & Religion – MormonWiki
PAGE ONE — S.F.’s Devilish Mormon Finally Gets His Due (sfgate.com)
Herald of the Gold Rush: Sam Brannan on JSTOR
Samuel “Sam” Brannan (1819-1889) – Find a Grave Memorial
Samuel Brannan – The First Millionaire of the West | Econproph [U.S. Economic History]
https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/NCMP1820-1846/id/9649/rec/3
https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/NCMP1820-1846/id/9668/rec/3
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Through a series of serendipitous events, a complete transcript of the Second Anointing Ritual has come into my hands.
Several other podcasts have talked about the Second Anointing, but here I reveal the details of the actual ordinance itself!
I desire all to partake . . .
In this episode of Mormonism LIVE we delve into the original research of this little known episode in Church history involving the Theatre, Temple Endowments, and a Ouija board Message leading to baptisms.
RESOURCES:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ARFAX-zs-C36Wgs3GYcCO8kPpis1MnWA/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ucVVdrjBDAJwiIns-po2_EXM7d9u_R01/view?pli=1
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Join us as we explore the intriguing viewpoints of Professor Thomas Wayment and podcaster Rick Bennett, who present perspectives that deviate from past LDS theology regarding the King James Bible (KJV) and the Joseph Smith Translation (JST). We analyze their claims, examining the ways in which their perspectives challenge traditional understandings of these revered texts within the context of Latter-Day Saint belief. Through this exploration, we uncover the complex interplay between scholarship, personal interpretations, and the evolving landscape of Mormon theology.
RESOURCES:
https://youtu.be/L6kkhSHX4Ok
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/king-james-bible-400-years
https://rsc.byu.edu/king-james-bible-restoration/latter-day-saint-edition-king-james-bible
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Mormon_and_the_King_James_Bible
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1992/08/news-of-the-church/first-presidency-statement-on-the-king-james-version-of-the-bible?lang=eng
https://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Joseph_Smith_Translation_of_the_Bible_(JST)
https://www.dialoguejournal.com/articles/why-the-king-james-version-from-the-common-to-the-official-bible-of-mormonism/
https://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Bible
https://rsc.byu.edu/sites/default/files/pub_content/pdf/38%20The%20King%20James%20Translation%20of%20the%20New%20Testament.pdf
https://youtu.be/LyhV-E79ccc?t=158
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyhV-E79ccc&t=410s
https://rsc.byu.edu/book/joseph-smith-translation
https://rsc.byu.edu/how-new-testament-came-be/adding-taking-away-without-cause-matthew-522
https://rsc.byu.edu/joseph-smith-translation/doctrinal-restoration
https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V22N02_21.pdf
https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V36N01_171.pdf
The clips from this show were used from The Gospel Tangents Podcast Episode titled
“Thomas Wayment Responds to Adam Clarke Controversy (1 of 2)”
https://gospeltangents.com/2023/05/thomas-wayment-adam-clarke/
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Looks like I have definitely kicked an anthill with my critiques of the conspiracy theory that Joseph Smith did not practice polygamy!
Lots of listeners have weighed in on both sides of the issue and I wanted to let them have a say in the debate through a collection of their comments.
I also add a few additional items myself, plus a great observation by The Amazing Maven!
Thanks everybody for all your great comments!
Mormon Polygamy Nightmare: Mormonism Live: 134 Nightmares are scary and some nightmares are real. In this gripping episode of Mormonism LIVE, we delve into the extraordinary journey of a woman who lived within a Mormon polygamous relationship. Through an intimate and eye-opening interview, she shares her harrowing experiences, the challenges she faced, and the inspiring story of her escape from the clutches of polygamy As the conversation unfolds, listeners are transported into the center of a polygamous family that is shrouded in secrecy and patriarchal dominance. We delve into the origins of her involvement in the polygamous relationship, exploring how religious beliefs were exploited to justify the practice and perpetuate control over women. Tune in to this riveting episode and join us on an emotional and enlightening journey as we unveil the shadows that hide behind closed doors, empower survivors, and shed light on the resilience of the human spirit.
Chapters: 03:15 Meet “Abby” 04:15 The hunt for a straight, single man leads to…Mormonism?
11:30 “the Lord wants us in Las Vegas”
14:30 Becoming bored with Mormonism
28:25 Hunting for new wives
34:15 “What is going through your head?”
37:00 Abby’s husband “earns” his 2nd anointing but Abby refuses
42:00 Trying to bring home Filipina wife 45:15 Cancer diagnosis & death
57:30 21 minutes and 23 seconds ()
01:02:00 Abby finally starts looks
01:03:00 Mormonism LIVE is the final straw
01:06:05 Lessons learned
01:21:15 Live calls
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Did Joseph Smith practice polygamy? As obvious as the answer to that question may seem to you and to other trained professional historians both inside and outside the LDS Church, there is a small but growing group of Mormons or former Mormons who maintain that Joseph Smith did NOT practice polygamy.
Ms. Michelle Stone is one such person, and she posted a podcast responding to the Mormonism Live episode from a couple of weeks ago where we put forward the compelling evidence that Joseph Smith DID IN FACT practice polygamy.
In this podcast, I show how Ms. Stone’s response to the evidence we presented is woefully inadequate, and further has all the earmarks of the types of “reasoning” and “logic” common to conspiracy theorists of all stripes.
This is one for the record books!
The Mormonism Live crew takes a much needed break for June 21st being joined by upcoming “Mormon” comedian Ben Brown known as “The Fresh King Benjamin”. Ben’s humor deeply connects to his own journey in and deconstruction of fundamentalist Mormonism and the episode is sure to be an enjoyable entertaining evening.
Ben’s Stand Up: https://youtu.be/XBx5g6FOEaM Ben’s
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Radio Free Mormon’s Rules for Teaching Sunday School!
I have taught hundreds of Sunday school lessons over my time in Mormonism.
By the time I was 32-years old, I had some decidedly unorthodox rules for teaching in Church.
I recently discovered a paper I wrote more than 30-years ago setting forth those unorthodox rules.
Here it is for the first time in this or any other format . . . Radio Free Mormon’s Rules for Teaching Sunday School!
Dan Vogel sits down with RFM & Bill not only to talk about his new book “Charisma under Pressure: Joseph Smith, American Prophet, 1831–1839” but to also flesh out some of the incredible ideas in his recent YouTube video “Joseph Smith, the Necromancer”.
RESOURCES:
Twilit Grotto — Esoteric Archives – esotericarchives.com/
Old Bountiful Museum – World of Urban Legends – worldofurbanlegends.com/old-bountiful-museum/
Oracles and Talismans, Forgery and Pansophia: Joseph Smith. Jr. as a Renaissance Magus – General Discussions – Mormon Dialogue & Discussion Board – mormondialogue.org/topic/69738-oracles-and-talismans-forgery-and-pansophia-joseph-smith-jr-as-a-renaissance-magus/
Wilford C. Wood – Mormonism, The Mormon Church, Beliefs, & Religion – MormonWiki – mormonwiki.com/Wilford_C._Wood
A-Man-of-Vision-and-Determination-A-Photographic-Essay-and-Tribute-to-Wilford-C.-Wood.pdf (ensignpeakfoundation.org) – ensignpeakfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/A-Man-of-Vision-and-Determination-A-Photographic-Essay-and-Tribute-to-Wilford-C.-Wood.pdf
Story behind Joseph and Hyrum Death Masks – Joseph Smith Jr and Emma Hale Smith Historical Society – josephsmithjr.org/joseph-and-hyrum-death-masks/
Framing a 17th Century Work on Parchment – Bark Frameworks –
One of the key components in the controversy over whether Joseph Smith or Brigham Young instituted plural marriage is the dating of Section 132.
Some proponents of the idea Brigham Young started plural marriage in the Church argue Section 132 was written by Brigham Young or someone at his direction AFTER Joseph Smith died, but was falsely attributed to Joseph Smith by Brigham Young when it was first published in the 1876 edition of the Doctrine and Covenants.
RFM presents a textual analysis of three affidavits published June 7, 1844 in the Nauvoo Expositor which conclusively demonstrates the text of Section 132 existed in all material respects during Joseph Smith’s lifetime.
This means Section 132 was not created by Brigham Young or anyone else after Joseph Smith’s death.
There is a raging debate within Mormon circles where those folks who are determined to maintain belief in the Prophet Joseph Smith but who abhor polygamy and the Church as ran by Brigham Young and after have found ways to dismiss the standard evidence that Mormonism’s founder was a polygamist. They interpret the evidence as made up by Brigham Young and those around him in an effort to draw Joseph Smith into a practice he never participated in. Stories of fabricating history, backdating prophesy, and discrediting witnesses. On this week’s episode Bill & RFM with a few friends take a look at the evidence and to see if one has compelling reasons to believe Joseph Smith was, in fact, a polygamist!
MAIN CONCLUSIONS DRAWN FROM REASON
1.) Clayton Journal Entries can be shown to be reliable
2.) D&C 132 is shown to be reliable as the text of the revelation that Smith received
3.) There is substantial Evidence that imposes that Smith originated and perpetuated Polygamy
4.) Hyrum Smith read the revelation in a High Council Meeting and Joseph and Hyrum tried to excuse the revelation away in the Nauvoo City Council but not a the way that allows Polygamy deniers to impose a narrative of “Eternity Only Sealings” or “Dynastic Sealings”. Hence they must confront why Hyrum and Joseph don’t respond using the narrative they have created.
5.) That any attempt to explain Joseph’s practice as “eternal only” and not time is irrational in light of Hyrum and Joseph’s attempt to walk back the doctrine/revelation of plural marriage by explaining it was in regards to former times and had nothing to do with the present. In other words Dynastic Sealings or relationships in the hereafter that are not binding or sexual in this life is not going to strike fear and anger and rebelliousness in Emma, along with pushback and resentment in Marks, Cowles, and Soby and can be explained without embarrassment. But when Joseph and Hyrum tip their hand by making the excuse that this revelation is about former times and not the present, we can rationally conclude this wasn’t eternal only or dynastic relationships that lacked sex or marriage in this life.(While we didn’t show it, Orange Wight’s autobiography also imposes that Smith had Flora Woodworth as a wife and he was notified that because of such, she was taken. Hence this wasn’t a eternity only relationship.)
If you want to see the documents and the notes about what these documents show. Check out the three part Reddit Posts on the topic..
Part 1:
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/144aaam/the_evidence_laid_out_that_joseph_smith_was_the/
Part 2:
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/144ahjo/the_evidence_laid_out_that_joseph_smith_was_the/
Part 3:
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/144aqlr/the_evidence_laid_out_that_joseph_smith_was_the/
https://sunstone.org/e41-brigham-young-and-the-chamber-of-secrets/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZQwyhhFczU
https://www.jstor.org/stable/24243807
This link has the url’s for the Land Deeds of Joseph’s plural wives
https://archive.org/details/history-of-the-saints-1842-john-c-bennett/page/n9/mode/2up?view=theater – John C Bennett History of the Saints
http://www.latterdaytruth.org/pdf/100526.pdf Nauvoo Expositor
Joseph F. Smith Affidavits – http://mormonpolygamydocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/JS0361.doc
https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/MMD/id/59430/rec/1 – Clayton Diary
https://archive.org/details/WilliamClaytonJournal/page/n13/mode/2up – Clayton page 106 search for plural
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-from-oliver-cowdery-21-january-1838/1 Cowdery to his brother
https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/281385.William_Clayton
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/132?lang=eng
https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/281385.William_Clayton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJUtmzt3fJc&t=1193s&pp=ygUQaGFwcGluZXNzIGxldHRlcg%3D%3D – Happiness Letter Examination
https://www.jstor.org/stable/43200169 – “Illicit Intercourse,” Plural Marriage, and the Nauvoo Stake High Council, 1840-1844 Gary James Bergera
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/revelation-12-july-1843-dc-132/1#historical-intro – Kingsbury 132 Revelation
https://muse.jhu.edu/pub/187/oa_monograph/chapter/201655/pdf – Junius and Joseph
https://www.jstor.org/stable/43200716 – The Changing RLDS Response to Mormon Polygamy: A Preliminary Analysis Richard P. Howard
https://www.jstor.org/stable/40193596 – Buckeye’s Laments: Two Early Insider Exposés of Mormon Polygamy and Their Authorship Gary James Bergera
http://boap.org/LDS/Nauvoo-Neighbor/1844/6-19-1844.pdf
https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/7226d36f-b3a5-4c0e-9d0c-33d87d46ffb4/0/3?lang=eng
https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/be940fbd-8fff-410f-b022-bb18d2d8f63c/0/0?lang=eng
https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/c6746061-f36c-46ed-8961-03f8c2369d5d/0/85?lang=eng
https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/e8b138df-18a0-46d8-be8a-0b06292a0795/0/0?lang=eng
https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/e7896b07-224e-4dd8-8790-b7f995838c46/0/13
https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/a51f8c5d-45c3-47c5-aad4-be3f363dfca9/0/0?lang=eng
https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/50c87119-ed1d-4492-b6ff-f60b3e1ac976/0/0?lang=eng
https://lifecanbesilly.blogspot.com/2018/09/martha-brotherton-affidavit-polygamy.html
https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/5e60e513-bfaa-4619-908c-4c4ac7b8b6b7/0/0?lang=eng
https://familypedia.fandom.com/wiki/David_Fullmer_(1803-1879)
http://www.boap.org/LDS/Early-Saints/HCoray.html.
On Saturday, April 22, 2023, Church Historian Elder Kyle McKay sat down with an inactive former seminary teacher named Joe for a candid discussion about Church History.
Things got very interesting very quickly!
This is the recording of that meeting!
RESOURCES:
Joe’s Document “In Defense of Doubt” – https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/06/In-Defense-of-Doubt-Final.pdf
Elder McKay’s Letter back to him – https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/06/Elder-McKays-Letter.pdf
A former seminary teacher got the opportunity to present lots of his questions to the Church Historian recently. Wait till you hear what happened!
RESOURCES:
Transcript – http://radiofreemormon.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/ELDER-BALLARD-BLOWS-UP-THE-CHURCH-TRANSCRIPT.pdf
Episode – https://radiofreemormon.org/2017/11/radio-free-mormon-021-elder-ballard-blows-church/
https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/prophets-and-fallibility/
https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/the-mormon-truth-crisis/
https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/the-mormon-paradox/
Joe’s Document “In Defense of Doubt” – https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/06/In-Defense-of-Doubt-Final.pdf
Elder McKay’s Letter back to him – https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/06/Elder-McKays-Letter.pdf
On the May 17, 2023 episode of Mormonism Live, a listener named Justin called into the show.
Justin identified himself as a believing Mormon. I took the opportunity to ask Justin a series of questions about his beliefs regarding what a prophet could do that would be so bad that Justin would no longer consider him a prophet.
A number of listeners have provided feedback to that segment that was highly critical of the way I conducted myself.
This episode is my response to that listener feedback.
In this video we delve into the history behind how the LDS Church came to have its name and how its official name has changed from its inception to today. And along the way we learn about the use and meaning of the word Mormon as well as how the Church went from “Latter Day Saints” to Latter-day Saints” and you won’t believe how much went into a hyphen and a lower case letter d.
RESOURCES:
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/115?lang=eng
https://archive.org/details/TimesAndSeasonsVol4/page/n307/mode/2up
https://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/43668-new-evidence-that-church-was-organized-at-fayette/
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/book-of-commandments-1833/14
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/revelation-march-1829-dc-5/1#source-note
At the zenith of my Mormon apologetics back in 1990, I engaged in a public debate with a Church of Christ minister from Austin, Texas.
This is the story of that debate.
This past week 60 Minutes the CBS TV Journalism Show covered the event of the Church having its finances exposed by whistleblower David Nielson. We take a look at what was said…. and what wasn’t in this weeks episode of Mormonism LIVE! “David Nielsen is a former investment manager for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who became a whistleblower regarding the church’s finances and tax-exempt status. Nielsen accused the church of hoarding billions of dollars it has not paid taxes on and asked the IRS to strip the church of its tax-exempt status. Nielsen argued that the church owes billions in taxes, and he wants a cut of that as part of a reward offered by the IRS for reporting tax-related offenses.”
RESOURCES:
(2038) Mormon whistleblower: Church’s investment firm masquerades as charity | 60 Minutes – YouTube
60 Minutes – Bishop defends the Church’s investment fund | Facebook (60 Minutes Overtime)
The Perpetual Education Fund (churchofjesuschrist.org)
The Perpetual Education Fund (churchofjesuschrist.org) (Gordon Hinckley’s talk)
Structure of the Corporation of The President / Bishopric (Actual LDS “Church”) | Exploring Mormonism (LDS HOLDINGS)
A look at the LDS Church’s legal legacy as a corporation (The Merging of the two corporations)
https://widowsmitereport.wordpress.com/60minutes/
The story of Joseph Smith and Henry Caswall (Caswell) and the Greek Psalter incident is a historical event that took place in 1842 in Nauvoo Ill.. During his visit to Nauvoo, Illinois, where the Mormon Church was headquartered at the time, Caswall met with Joseph Smith. Caswall showed The Prophet a ancient document which Caswall knew to be a “Greek Psalter” or book of Psalms in the Greek language. Caswall claimed that Smith insisted the Psalter was actually a Dictionary for Egyptian Hieroglyphics book was a translation of an ancient record that he had received through divine revelation. Caswall declared that it was nothing more than an ancient Greek Psalter.
As RFM and Bill dig into this story they discover that that Mormonism fares worse than we first thought and the problems reach as high as Jacob’s Ladder.
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RESOURCES:
http://www.olivercowdery.com/smithhome/1840s/1842Cas1.htm
http://www.mormonthink.com/greekweb.htm
http://www.centerplace.org/history/ts/v4n23.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greek_Psalter_Incident
https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/BOMP/id/3750
https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/byusq/vol35/iss4/8/
https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3085&context=byusq https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Question:_Did_Joseph_Smith_misidentify_a_Greek_%22psalter%22_as_a_containing_%22reformed_Egyptian%22_hieroglyphics%3F
https://lifeafterministry.com/2014/03/the-greek-psalter-incident/
https://lifeafter.org/greek-psalter-incident/
https://rsc.byu.edu/approaching-antiquity-joseph-smith-ancient-world/joseph-smiths-awareness-greek-latin https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Criticism_of_Mormonism/Websites/MormonThink/The_Greek_Psalter_Incident
http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/il/sign1843.htm#1118
https://web.archive.org/web/20130701182744/
http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/display/pdf.php?table=review&id=513
http://www.truthandgrace.com/The_city_of_the_Mormons.pdf
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/fragment-of-book-of-breathing-for-horos-a-between-238-and-circa-153-bc/1
https://archive.org/details/cityofmormonsort01casw/page/20/mode/2up
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/fragment-of-book-of-the-dead-for-nefer-ir-nebu-circa-300-100-bc/1
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/fragment-of-book-of-breathing-for-horos-a-between-238-and-circa-153-bc/1
https://www.agefotostock.com/age/en/details-photo/the-weighing-of-souls-chapter-125-of-the-book-of-the-dead-detail-of-the-papyrus-of-tasnakht-egyptian-civilisation-late-period/DAE-11127820
In a strange twist of fate, my old missionary companion, Kyle McKay, has become not only a General Authority, but also the Church Historian!
Now Kyle gets the chance to have his old missionary companion do a dissection of the talk he gave at BYU-Idaho on April 25, 2023; a talk many consider to be one of the most controversial talks given by a church leader in recent memory!
It has taken Kyle 43-years to prepare himself to give this talk.
It has taken me 43-years to prepare myself to break it down!
RFM and Bill sit down with Jim Bennett to discuss his recent appearances on “Midnight Mormons” and take a look at all the rhetoric around violence in Mormonism including the musket talk by Elder Holland but with an updated and focused discussion around whether such a talk is fueling the very violent threats and rhetoric that critics of Holland’s talk have suggested could be the outgrowth of the “Musket” talk and the lack of the LDS Church in official channels condemning such rhetoric.
RESOURCES:
207: Nephi’s Faith Transition – Mormon Discussions Podcasts – Full Lineup (mormondiscussionpodcast.org)
Radio Free Mormon: 18: Make Way For Dodos – Radio Free Mormon
The Trial of Jim Bennett! – YouTube
The Trial of Jim Bennett! – YouTube
The Trial of Jim Bennett! – YouTube
The Trial of Jim Bennett! – YouTube
The Trial of Guatemax! – YouTube
Radio Free Mormon VS Midnight Mormons – The Debate – YouTube
The Trial of Guatemax! – YouTube
The Trial of Guatemax! – YouTube
The Trial of Guatemax! – YouTube
A new BOMBSHELL report lays out how the First Presidency not only actively engaged in defrauding the Federal Government in the SEC Scandal, but also how the First Presidency is still actively engaged in deceiving its own members by portraying themselves as innocent of any wrongdoing!
You just can’t make this stuff up!
I am joined in this analysis by University of Illinois Assistant Professor of Accounting Spencer Anderson.
Special thanks to the WIDOW’S MITE REPORT for researching and discovering this groundbreaking information!
When the Phrase “Ongoing Restoration” showed up around 2020 Critics paused as this seemed to be the Church saying something different as if the Church now wanted the restoration to be much earlier in its stage of development than had been intimated in the past. So Bill & RFM take long look over Mormonism’s history to see what has been said and what it might mean.
RESOURCES:
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/01/26/mormon-land-how-lds/
https://youtu.be/v43WkDalVAs?t=114
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/latter-day-saint-prophet-wife-apostle-share-insights-global-ministry?lang=eng#churchofjesuschrist
https://youtu.be/n49OhL-NbVY?t=15
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2020/04/the-ongoing-restoration?lang=eng
https://youtu.be/MvVtCKHarI0?t=62
https://youtu.be/AN6e4IQBLWs?t=798
https://youtu.be/AN6e4IQBLWs?t=896
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7NHQ8v-bmY&t=429s
https://youtu.be/I7NHQ8v-bmY?t=537
https://youtu.be/jdUeOY-hA1c?t=388
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2006/10/the-gathering-of-scattered-israel?lang=eng
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2005/11/truth-restored?lang=eng
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/SUNDAY-INTERVIEW-Musings-of-the-Main-Mormon-2846138.php
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-ldzfaB33n8oXeI00ttom_i6WUTGeFPD?usp=share_linkhttps://speeches.byu.edu/talks/gary-e-stevenson/the-ongoing-restoration/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKH4vU1EiB4
In this week’s edition, RFM and Bill sit down with Dan McClellan, former scripture translation supervisor for the LDS Church.
Dan received his bachelor’s degree from Brigham Young University in ancient Near Eastern studies, where he focused on Biblical Hebrew and minored in Classical Greek. He completed a master of studies in Jewish studies at the University of Oxford in July of 2010 and a master of arts in biblical studies at Trinity Western University just outside of Vancouver, BC. His areas of specialization are Second Temple Judaism, early Israelite religion, and textual criticism of the Hebrew Bible.
RESOURCES:
https://rsc.byu.edu/author/mcclellan-daniel-o
https://www.tiktok.com/@maklelan?lang=endanielomcclellan.com/
https://hcommons.org/members/maklelan/
https://rsc.byu.edu/vol-20-no-2-2019/far-it-translated-correctly-bible-translation-church
In November of 2021, I flew to Salt Lake City to debate the Midnight Mormons.
The entire debate lasted almost three hours!
I have worked hard over two days breaking it down into a Highlights Reel that is just over an hour.
I want to thank everybody who came to the debate and I think you will really like hearing the Highlights!
Mormonism has the power to disappoint in many ways, even after I thought I had left it far behind.
One of the most significant disappointments for me is being betrayed by church leaders I trusted implicitly, only to find they were not telling me the truth.
What happens when you find out your ability to discern the truth is compromised?
That is the underlying message of this podcast!
Years ago Jonathan Streeter wrote a blog post titled “Fix your faith crisis with this one weird trick!” that was deeply influential on Bill. So tonight we bring Streeter into the studio to discuss Wood Tools vs Steel Tools and tom recognize when wood tools are being used.
RESOURCES:
In honor of the Easter Season, RFM examines evidence that Jesus actually did exist!
This is one you won’t want to miss!
This General Conference had lots of interesting twists and turns that have now had time to ruminate in the minds of RFM and Bill Reel. And this weeks episode involves a dive into the Mormon phenomena known as the April 2023 General Conference of the LDS Church.
RESOURCES OF TALKS DISCUSSED:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYdM8WyYM – Elder Ahmad S. Corbitt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWYXk_7uLbU – Elder Vern R. Stanfill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0jTa8FG7A8 – Elder Allen D. Haynie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9freQw16qY – Elder Carl B. Cook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLplozLahP4 – Elder Gerrit W. Gong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQwObipvTJc – Elder D. Todd Christofferson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSmP5tnSevI – Elder Neil L. Andersen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQghSMOOYz4 – President Russell M. Nelson
This session contains what is sure to be the most controversial talk in this entire General Conference.
The talk was given by Elder Ahmed Corbitt, and has produced the new Mormon Bumper Sticker Slogan, “CHOOSE THE CHURCH OVER YOUR CHILDREN!”
I am so not making this up!
Listen at your peril!
The Sunday Morning Session may well be the Church’s response to the SEC fiasco! Listen and find out why!
General Conference has never been this much fun!!!
General Conference has never been this much fun!!!
Joseph Smith’s First Vision ushered in the restoration of the Gospel. It had Heavenly Father and His Son coming through the Heavens to visit the young boy in the spring of 1820. This vision leads to the founding of Mormonism. But what is not as well known is that in the late 1700’s and early 1800’s, everyone and their brother was having visions and many of them appear to be very similar to Joseph Smith’s. So in this week’s episode Bill and RFM do a comparative analysis on those other Visions to see what can be gleaned and its no small thing what they find.
RESOURCES:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180710083455/https://thoughtsonthingsandstuff.com/theophany-mine/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burned-over_district
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Great_Awakening https://archive.org/details/lifecon00smit/page/n13/mode/2up
http://www.mormonstudiespodcast.org/joseph-smith-elias-smith-and-wilford-poulson/
https://archive.org/details/TheReligiousExperienceOfNorrisStearns
http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/changech6.htm
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/elders-journal-july-1838/16
https://www.watchman.org/articles/mormonism/piecing-together-the-first-vision/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Vision
https://rsc.byu.edu/exploring-first-vision/significance-joseph-smiths-first-vision-mormon-thought
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/site/accounts-of-the-first-vision
https://mit.irr.org/joseph-smiths-changing-first-vision-accounts
https://www.mormonstories.org/truth-claims/joseph-smith/first-vision/
https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/the-prognostication-of-asa-wild/
http://boap.org/LDS/Early-Saints/SChamberlain.html
https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/the-visionary-world-of-joseph-smith/
http://www.mormonhandbook.com/home/first-vision-plagiarized.html
https://nyshistoricnewspapers.org/lccn/sn83032054/1831-02-01/ed-1/seq-5/
https://archive.org/details/SketchOfExperiencesOfSolomonChamberlin/mode/2up?view=theater&q=apo
http://boap.org/LDS/Early-Saints/SChamberlain.html
https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll15/id/40132
https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/first-vision/
https://youtu.be/WB3iwEX8WhY?t=1306
https://rsc.byu.edu/exploring-first-vision/earliest-documented-accounts-joseph-smiths-first-vision
https://collections.library.yale.edu/catalog/2041501
RFM tries his hand at a one-man Mystery Science Theater 3000 take on the new Temple Endowment video now playing at an LDS Temple near you!
Kibitzing on the backrow of an endowment session has never been this much fun!
Tonight RFM and Bill take a look at how both Top Church Leadership and local leaders extend pressure for dissenting voices to be silent. The episode will include individual stories along with the general instruction by top leaders to diminish dissenting voices and at times to altogether silence them.
RESOURCES:
Oaks “Its Wrong to Criticize Leaders” – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxyiHLg59ks
Oaks “Questions Are Honored, Opposition is Not” – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPeIgjZ0EQg&t=746s
Ballard – “Women don’t talk too much” – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlQ4h6tGbnE
RFM has received the the video and audio from his second information request and report back regarding what was turned over by law enforcement. Once again we learn new details that both add clarity and complexity to this case.
BONUS AUDIO: We inserted the cut up audio clips of all three witnesses that we had audio interviews of focusing only on the moment in the hotel room where the traumatic event likely occurred. Notice Bonnie’s admitting she heard the youngest kid but then struggles to answer finally stating she did not hear Derek or the parents in spite of all the yelling and screaming that both parents acknowledge along the way. After her clip are multiple clips of Hana and Nolan where Nolan stammers about what he awoke to finally imposing over multiple points in the interview that Hana was already awake and out of bed dealing with Derek when he awoke out of his sleep but juxtaposed against Hana who intimates at two different points in the interview that her and Nolan seem to have awoke together to the crying of the child and both in an escalated voice tell him to be quiet. Nolan also at one point claims he yelled at Derek to be quiet but how can such be when Hana in both her interview and her re-enactment indicates she screams at Derek in Bed that “he is not breathing”
Many are going through great lengths to justify the massive hoards of wealth the Church has accumulated on the backs of its believers, even going as far as to use scripture. But do these scriptures REALLY justify the accumulation of wealth as the Church and its members would have you believe?
RFM reads Judge Coral Sanchez’s 13-page order denying Jenn Kamp’s Petition for an Anti-Stalking Order against John Dehlin.
Here is the half-hour presentation I gave at Thrive in St. George, Utah, on February 26, 2023!
I had a fantastic time meeting friends old and new!
Thanks to all the people involved in making Thrive a wonderful reality for so many of us!
What if the liability of the LDS Church has changed this week by the very acts it admitted this week? What a novel and deeply true idea. Imagine the church losing a class action sort of legal action. It’s one of those rare moments to affect more than normal where an added segment of people think a new thought that changes everything
On June 27th 1844, Joseph Smith, the Mormon Prophet, was martyred at Carthage Jail by a mob. Or at least that is how the generally accepted story goes. In the last 8 months, Justin Griffin (Director & Producer) and Steve Sorensen (Film Maker), have shared their research that maybe things are not what we have been told. They present their experts, their research, and their conclusions that it was in fact John Taylor and Willard Richards that in fact murdered their own prophet in cold blood. RFM and Bill take a look at their research and the testimony of their experts to see what can be seen with a critical eye. Is this research true? Was Joseph Smith and Hyrum Smith killed by their friends?
RESOURCES:
RESOURCES:
RESOURCES:
whokilledjosephsmith.com
https://www.youtube.com/@jgriffWKJS
https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3961&context=byusq
RFM, John Dehlin, Nemo and Mike from LDS Discussions team up to discuss the age-old tradition of backdating prophecies, and how Joseph Smith appears to have made use of this same technique.
Bottom Line–It’s easier to predict the future when it is actually in the past!
On this week’s episode we sit down with Brent Bokovoy, Writer and Director of the upcoming film “Ronald’s Little Factory”, and we discuss all the twists and turns in Mormon Cinema including your favorites, along with movies you have likely forgotten, as well as one’s you never heard of. We finish out the episode discussing the upcoming film “Ronald’s Little Factory”. Boyd K Packer would have been proud!
RESOURCES:
Ronald’s Little Factory Trailer 1 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcsMBJ6kk6w
Ronald’s Little Factory – The Why behind the Film – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhFnlp9qjc4
EARLY MORMON CINEMA
* A Mormon Maid
* A Victim Of The Mormons
* Brigham Young
LDS PRODUCED CINEMA
* Johny Lingo
* The Pump
* Legacy
* The Testaments
MODERN MORMON CINEMA
* Virginia
* God’s Army
* Brigham City
* States of Grace
* The Singles Ward
* The RM
* Baptists At The Barbecue
* Sons Of Provo
* The Home Teachers
* Mobsters And Mormons
* The Book of Mormon Movie
* The Other Side of Heaven
* The Best Two Years
* Saints And Soldiers
* Once I Was A Beehive
POST MORMON CINEMA
* Plan 10 From Outer Space
* Orgazmo
* South Park Episode
* The Book Of Mormon Musical
* Latter Days
* Trapped By The Mormons
* Big Love
* Angels In America
* September Dawn
* The Book Of Zombie
* Electrick Children
* The Falls
* Missionary
* Room 104
SHORT FILMS
* Bad Mormons
* Killer Missionaries
* The Touch Of The Master’s Hand
DOCUMENTARIES
* 8 The Mormon Proposition
* Believer
* Tabloid
RECENT
* Murder Among The Mormons
* Keep Sweet And Obey
* Under The Banner Of Heaven
* Sins of Our Mother
* Mormon No More
* Abducted In Plain Sight
* A Friend of the Family
Included here is the complaint OSF filed
https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/OSF-Complaint-filed-copy.pdf
&
Jenn Kamp’s Complaint Filed
https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/Jenn-Kamp-Lawsuit-Against-John-Dehlin-and-OSF-REDACTED-A.pdf
RFM and Bill review the recent set of Documents and other items sent by Florida Law Enforcement in RFM as part of a Freedom of Information Request. It is best to watch this on YouTube where the documents can be observed.
***TRIGGER WARNING***This episode will contain details of an alleged Homicide of a child. Please skip this episode if needed and please keep kids away from this episode.
Former Open Stories Foundation employee Jenn Kamp has gone public recently about the lawsuit she has filed against John Dehlin and the OSF.
Now John Dehlin and OSF have filed a countersuit against Jenn Kamp.
Included here is the complaint OSF filed
https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/OSF-Complaint-filed-copy.pdf
&
Jenn Kamp’s Complaint Filed
https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/Jenn-Kamp-Lawsuit-Against-John-Dehlin-and-OSF-REDACTED-A.pdf
The Salt Lake Tribune recently published a book review on the book “Ancient Christians: An Introduction for Latter-day Saints” published by the Maxwell Institute. Both the book and the Tribune article make note that what Latter-day Saints believed about early Christianity and the Great Apostasy may not only “overly simplistic, if not (a) completely false narrative”. But where did Latter-day Saints get these beliefs? How did Mormonism define the Great Apostasy? And more importantly if we redefine the very reasons for what a Restoration is and why it was needed, might we be undercutting the restoration itself?
Maxwell Institute Book available –Ancient Christians Available Now – Neal A. Maxwell Institute (byu.edu)
1832 First Vision Account contradicting SLTRIB Claim that B. H. Roberts was the first promoted the apostasy narrative – History, circa Summer 1832, Page 1 (josephsmithpapers.org)
1838 First Vision account also contains significant apostasy narrative piecesHistory, circa June 1839–circa 1841 [Draft 2], Page 3 (josephsmithpapers.org)
The Great Apostasy by: James Talmage published 1909 by the Deseret News – Which lays out in significant ways “The Great Apostasy” – The great apostasy : considered in the light of scriptural and secular history : Talmage, James Edward, 1862-1933 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
While The Church is reducing the Great Apostasy to only Priesthood and Keys – They clearly have attached Doctrine, Church organization and Offices, consistency of Saving Rituals as well as imposing that Christ set up an actual Church as key components of “The Great Apostasy” – Talks where some of those concepts are spoken Example 1Example 2Example 3
The Church teaches that part of the Great Apostasy is that rather than leading via revelation that the early Christian Church instead traqnsitioned over to “Long Conferences” and “Erudite Councils” “depending upon their own brilliant minds” (See Manual Image Below) – and yet Elder Eyring admits that such is the very way this Church is led – Henry B. Eyring: “Forget Harvard and Stanford. We’re in another kind of thing here.” – YouTube
LDS Church Shifting to More Pageantry and Colorful Presentation to satisfy everyone (which in their manual they claim is a sign of the Great Apostasy) Example 1Example 2Example 3
The Modern Church creating a narrative of an ongoing restoration and that such has only begun to obfuscate that they are moving and shifting in every way they had previously labeled in the early Church as signs of Apostasy (Please note how is one to discern that all shifts and changes ithin the modern Church are “Auhtorized” and all shifts and changes in the Ancient Church are “Unauthorized”
1.) Distorting the and changing the Church organization and offices (Modern Church has changed the calling of Seventies, disbanded the General Patriarch, and created and then laterdisbanded the High Priests Group
2.) Silence between the Heavens and the Earth
3.) Vast numbers who had professed membership and many who had been officers in the ministry deserted the church; while a few were stimulated to greater zeal under the scourge of persecution.
4.) Internal dissension, schism and disruption, whereby an absolute apostasy of the Church from the way and word of God was brought about”
5.) The corrupting (Changing) of the simple doctrines of the gospel of Christ by admixture with so-called philosophic systems. (Corrupting is subjective)
6.) Unauthorized (Subjective) additions to the prescribed rites and rituals of the church and the introduction of vital alterations in essential ordinances.
7.) Unauthorized (Subjective) changes in church organization and government
8.) “If the savior had come back to earth at the beginning of the fifth century A.D., i doubt whether he would have recognized the Christian church as the one that claimed descent from that which he had established, so far had it gone astray.” VERSUS ” If Joseph Smith came back to earth today, i doubt whether he would have recognized the LDS Church as the one that claimed descent from that which he had established, so far had it gone astray.”
9.) The power of godliness was no longer present in the Christian church. (Is that power recognizable within the LDS Church ?)
10.) The laws were changed (Notice all the laws that have changed in the LDS Church EXAMPLES: The doing away of “Free Agency” and D&C say a Disciplinary Court requires 12 high priests but the Modern Church says not necessary)
11.) The ordinances were changed (Notice the changes to the Endowment)
12.) The everlasting covenant was broken that the lord Jesus Christ gave to his people in those days. (Notice what happened to the New and Everlasting Covenant within Mormonism AKA Polygamy)
13.) The superimposing of a man-made structure upon and over the divine program.
14.) Many men with no pretense nor claim to revelation, speaking without divine authority or revelation, depending only upon their own brilliant minds, but representing as they claim the congregations of the Christians.
15.) In long conference and erudite councils, sought the creation process to make a God which all could accept.
16.) The brilliant minds with their philosophies, knowing much about the Christian traditions and the pagan philosophies, would combine all elements to please everybody.
17.) They replaced the simple ways and program of the Christ with spectacular rituals, colorful display, impressive pageantry, and limitless pomposity, and called it Christianity.
18.) They had replaced the glorious, divine plan of exaltation of Christ with an elaborate, colorful, man-made system. they seemed to have little idea of totally dethroning the Christ, nor terminating the life of God, as in our own day, but they put together an incomprehensible God idea”
It also should be noted that the LDS Church imposes that Christ organized his Church, and set forth the offices of the Church and that whenever the Gospel has been on the Earth it has been taught and administered by the Church. Also note that even believing Faithful Scholars within the Church indicate that Jesus and his disciples remained Jews within the Jewish faith and synagogue.
A new apologetic technique has arisen in recent years of trying to prove the Book of Mormon true by proving all naturalistic theories false.
RFM analyzes this methodology and shows it to be fundamentally flawed in a number of ways.
Brian Hales, the current proponent of this apologetic, isn’t going to like this episode!
Recently Bill did a solo episode away from Mormonism LIVE walking members into the historical analysis of the initial Doctrine of tithing as 10% of one’s Surplus or Interest to help believers sense they had an option backed by historical documentation that allowed them to save themselves Thousands of Dollars a year while remaining faithful. After that episode a listener sent Bill and RFM an image of a vintage Church Handbook of Instruction that got their wheels turning and this week’s episode seeks to to delve into a historical analysis of how Surplus or Interest became Gross. And YES, You will be disgusted.
Here is the pdf presentation of the outline – https://mormonismlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Tithing-Whats-In-A-Word.pdf
1968 handbook
a. Notice the apparent pushback or reconsideration and hence retreat away from being explicit about gross. This is a partial wondering about any legal liability due to their being explicit and contradicting past definitions
RESOURCES:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/tithe
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/119?lang=eng
Radio Free Mormon and his faithful sidekick, The Backyard Professor, complete their dismemberment of Elder Bednar’s recent two-part talk titled, “That Ye May Believe.”
Nothing about Elder Bednar has ever been this much fun!
The running narrative within Mormonism is that Joseph Smith was an uneducated backwoods farm boy and that his lack of sophistication leaves the the Restoration as a miracle that no country bumpkin could have pulled off. But what happens when, with critical thinking skills, we take a look at the the Education he did have or had potential access to. Was Joseph Smith uneducated? Was he a middle school dropout as a surface level reading intimates? And what do we see when we look at the education of those around Joseph Smith and specifically within his family?
CORRECTIONS [ There were two errors in the video presentation for this episode. #1 Randall Bell conflated incorrectly that Joseph’s uncle, John Smith (July 16, 1781 – May 23, 1854) was same John Smith (December 21, 1752 – April 30, 1809) who played a prominent role in the early history of Dartmouth. #2 The letter put up on the screen of Joseph Smith to Oliver Cowdrey, is in the handwriting of Frederick G Williams.]
Joseph Smith’s Pre-1830 Education – https://mormonr.org/qnas/MggWf/joseph_smiths_pre_1830_education
List of Books Joseph Smith owned – https://user.xmission.com/~research/about/books.htm
William Davis wrote an article “reassessing Joseph Smith Jr’s Formal Education” and notes that when one tallies up all the evidence including the final term with Stowell’s son in Bainbridge such “increases the overall estimated time that Joseph spent in formal education to the equivalent of approximately seven full school years —a notable increase to that proposed in previous historical representations, and one that will require the careful evaluation of future historians”
reddit discussion around the Dartmouth Connection – https://www.reddit.com/r/mormonscholar/comments/92e2sl/similarities_between_dartmouth_professor_john/
Adam Clarke’s Book on Tobacco – https://archive.org/details/b30351108#:~:text=A%20dissertation%20on%20the%20use%20and%20abuse%20of,among%20religious%20people….%20by%20Clarke%2C%20Adam%2C%20approximately%201762-1832
History of Moor’s Indian Charity School – https://archives-manuscripts.dartmouth.edu/agents/corporate_entities/786
In honor of Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, I wanted to revisit the letter he wrote April 16, 1963 while imprisoned in the city jail of Birmingham, Alabama, as a result of the nonviolent actions Dr. King spearheaded to bring national attention to the injustices of the segregationist South.
Not only is this letter a masterpiece of the human longing for freedom, it also forms a central pillar in my personal growth since the time I read it forty years ago in college. I share that story, as well.
Bill & RFM take a look at the Life of Francis Gladden Bishop, another Latter-day Saint who claimed to be the rightful heir to Joseph Smith after the martyrdom as part of the Mormon Succession Crisis.
RESOURCES:
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/license-for-gladden-bishop-14-april-1840-extract/1
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/145852385/francis-gladden-bishop
https://atom3.lib.byu.edu/mormonbib/11107/.
https://history.churchofjesuschrist.org/chd/individual/francis-gladden-bishop-1809
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladden_Bishop, https://wilfordwoodruffpapers.org/subjects/francis-gladden-bishop
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/bc-jsp/content/jsp/images/1168/1168_ms155_3_05_001_med.jpg
https://archive.org/details/addresstosonsdau01bish
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1838-1856-volume-c-1-2-november-1838-31-july-1842/215, https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/bc-jsp/content/jsp/images/1168/1168_ms155_3_05_001_med.jpg
https://smile.amazon.com/Ensign-Shepherd-Remembrance-Classic-Reprint/dp/1333273819/ref=sr_1_1?crid=VOHXKME6OJK6&keywords=%22francis+gladden+bishop%22&qid=1672953250&sprefix=francis+gladden+bishop+%2Caps%2C128&sr=8-1
https://smile.amazon.com/s?i=stripbooks&rh=p_27%3AFrancis+Gladden+Bishop&s=relevancerank&text=Francis+Gladden+Bishop&ref=dp_byline_sr_book_1
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-from-francis-gladden-bishop-26-september-1843/1
https://mormonpolygamydocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/JS0428.pdf
RFM is joined once again by fellow attorney Kolby Reddish for the concluding installment of their investigation of how Mormonism fares when compared with the rules governing admissibility of evidence in a court of law.
This is one you don’t want to miss!
Bill and RFM take a deep look at how sex and sexuality were presented within the LDS Church over the last 200 years. What was taboo and sin and to what degree did Leaders impose what could and could not go on the Bedroom.
RAPE & VIRTUE
A.) BOM teaching – Moroni 9:9
ORAL SEX AS AN UNHOLY AND UNNATURAL ACT
A.) Unholy & Unnatural Act
B.) Oral Sexcapades
Spencer W. Kimball and the First Presidency naming it in official letter
BIRTH CONTROL (I want to be extremely brief here. I am going to present these quotes in passing)
A.) PAST TEACHINGS
B.) CURRENT TEACHINGS
INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE (Black African Descent Only) AS SIN
A.) Early Teachings against Inter-racial Marriage
B.) People were punished for inter-racial marriage up to the 1960’s
C.) Inter-racial Marriage still recommended against
MASTURBATION
A.) Boyd K Packer “To Young Men Only”
B.) Spencer W. Kimball – Use Mormon Think to show the litany of quotes
C.) Mark E Petersen – Weirdest correlated talk ever in the Church
“First counselor George A. Smith tells the Salt Lake School of the Prophets about “the evil of Masturbation” / (September) Branch presidents at the Missionary Training Center receive a 21-point handout to help “both male and female” missionaries avoid masturbation. Point 19: “In very severe cases it may be necessary to tie a hand to the bed frame with a tie in order that the habit of masturbating in a semi-sleep condition can be broken. This can also be accomplished by wearing several layers of clothing which would be difficult to remove while half asleep.” In a May 1995 article about masturbation, the national magazine ‘Details’ publishes seventeen of these recommendations and identifies Apostle Mark E. Petersen as the suthor of ‘Steps in Overcoming Masturbation: A Guide To Self-Control.’ In 1996, a spokesman at LDS headquarters denies that Elder Petersen authored this document and denies it was ever officially distributed.”
D.) Stance has softened in recent years AND I EXPECT SUCH TO CONTINUE
TEACHINGS ON SEX GENERALLY
A.) President Joseph F. Smith stated – [T]he Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has formulated no special rules governing the associations of married people. . . . [A]s to their mutual conduct in the marital relation, so far as sexual intercourse is concerned, they are left entirely free. – Joseph F. Smith To Frank S. Bellings, FEB. 17, 1905.
B.) President Joseph Fielding Smith stated when asked a similar question by an anonymous female member “The Brethren feel that the question which you raise is such as should be answered by you and your husband and in accordance with your own convictions. The Church has never believed it necessary to issue instructions pertaining to intimate relations between husband and wife.” – Joseph Anderson – Secretary to the 1st Presidency to L.A. Mar 23 1971
C.) Others Statements- “[S]exual relations within marriage are divinely approved not only for the purpose of procreation, but also as a means of expressing love and strengthening emotional and spiritual bonds between husband and wife.”
D.) “Physical intimacy between husband and wife is beautiful and sacred. It is ordained of God for the creation of children and for the expression of love within marriage.”
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RFM ADDITION–I THINK THE CHURCH’S OBSESSION (DARE I CALL IT THAT?) WITH VIRTUE AND CHASTITY HAS LED TO THE STRANGE SITUATION OF THE CHURCH USING GREAT WORKS OF ART TO ILLUSTRATE CHRISTIAN-RELATED THEMES, BUT MODIFYING THEM TO MAKE THEM ACCEPTABLE TO THE STRICT RULES OF THE LAW OF CHASTITY.
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2022/12/30/gordon-monson-when-lds-church/
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2022/12/29/latter-day-saints-alter-nativity/
NOTE–IT IS THE LAST ARTICLE LINKED ABOVE FROM THE DAILY MAIL THAT SHOWS THE PRIOR MODIFICATIONS.
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RESOURCES:
https://radiowest.kuer.org/current-events/2021-04-22/the-sexual-history-of-the-lds-church
https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/12/HealthyLDSSexuality-Mormon-Discussion-Podcast.pdf
https://eternalintimacy.weebly.com/whats-allowed-after-marriage.html
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2012/10/trial-of-your-faith?lang=eng
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mormon-sex-religion_n_6669892
https://www.ranker.com/list/facts-about-mormon-intimacy/lindsayweglarz
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/true-to-the-faith/birth-control?lang=eng&cid=14503511667
https://archive.org/details/reliefsocietymag03reli/page/n403/mode/2up?view=theater&q=birth+control
https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V10N02_14.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_and_Mormonism#Birth_control_and_abortion
https://emp.byui.edu/SATTERFIELDB/Quotes/Birth%20Control%20Family%20Size.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_chastity
https://www.danielaburgess.com/blog/2019/11/20/oral-sex
https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V10N02_14.pdf
http://www.mormonthink.com/QUOTES/masturbation.htm
http://www.connellodonovan.com/black_white_marriage.html
https://rationalfaiths.com/blacks-and-the-priesthood-revisted/
https://ia903006.us.archive.org/29/items/LowryNelson1stPresidencyExchange/Lowry_Nelson_1st_Presidency_Exchange.pdf
RFM and Bill take a deeper look at the “Book of Mormon” and compare what we know about it with what we know about other books to see if it is as un unique as believers claim it to be and we even get Mormon Scholar, Brian Hales opinion on the matter.
This past week on Mormonism LIVE we covered “Automatic Writing” in the episode, Mormonism LIVE: 108: Is The Book of Mormon Unique?
A Great Article to read that delves into this in regards to its connection to Mormonism is here – https://sunstone.org/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/050-16-26.pdf
Here are the connections between Smith’s “Translation” of the Book of Mormon and the data behind automatic writing.
1.) Some of the Authors within “Automatic Writing” seemed to have a serious lack of education
2.) Their writings contained details that indicated antiquity that the author couldn’t of known ( [O]ne time while he [Joseph] was translating he stopped suddenly, pale as a sheet, and said, ‘Emma, did Jerusalem have walls around it?’ When I answered ‘Yes,’ he replied ‘Oh! I was afraid I had been deceived.’ He had such limited knowledge of history at that time that he did not even know that Jerusalem was surrounded by walls.”)
3.) Able to discern things about the foreign lands and times that had a degree of accuracy to them.
4.) many “Automatic Writing” examples contained significantly less anachronisms than the book of Mormon
5.) “Automatic Writing” authors used a peep stone or crystal
6.) “Automatic Writing” authors moved away from a peep stone which they needed at first to being able to translate without one.
7.) Many of the significant “Automatic Writing” productions were Christian themed
8.) Some contained the voice of Christ
9.) Many were done by dictation
10.) At Least one stated its purpose was to answer three big questions “Where did we come from”, “Why are we here”, and “Where are we going”?
11.) Many of these productions were significantly longer than the “Book of Mormon”.
12.) many proposed to claim they were being given by voices of ancient people from antiquity
13.) several “Automatic Writing” authors were able to stop and take breaks and pick up exactly where they left off without being reminded where they were. ( According to Emma, when she and Joseph were interrupted during his translating, Joseph would later resume on the very sentence from which he had left off )
14.) numerous others found the “”Automatic Writing” to be believable
15.) numerous people found the “automatic writing” productions to be of a high quality of writing. For example Jane Eyre is believed to have been written this way.
16.) numerous others found some of the “”Automatic Writing” productions to be inspiring and worth basing one’s lived spirituality on.
17.) some of the “”Automatic Writing” productions were written to a world audience with revealed knowledge important to Salvation
18.) some of the “”Automatic Writing” productions seemed to pass the tests of appearing to be from antiquity and contained little to no contemporary material. (compare to the amount of 19th Century material in the Book of Mormon).
19.) much of the “Automatic Writing” productions claim to be channeling a divine source. (Gift and Power of God)
20.) Many “Automatic Writing” productions seemed to be beyond the competency of the person performing the “Automatic Writing”.
21.) some “Automatic Writing” productions were not only done by dictation but also had many words spelled out specifically
22.) many “Automatic Writing” productions contained really deep gems that were thought provoking. Poems, and passages that seem inspiring generally.
23.) reading “Automatic Writing” productions caused awe and wonder in their readers. (they essentially felt the spirit reading them)
24.) many “Automatic Writing” productions get a ton of things onto paper quickly such as 5000 words in a single evening ( Starting on April 7th, 1829, Joseph Smith began translating the Book of Mormon. He completed his translation on July 1st of that year—just 90 days! That makes for an average of about 8 pages per day. )
Hence Joseph Smith as an “Automatic Writer” makes incredible sense and has significant overlap and suggests that the Translation of the Book of Mormon is both NOT Unique, and NOT even that good compared to other examples of “Automatic Writing” such as these * The Sorry Tale – https://archive.org/details/sorrytaleastory01currgoog/page/n6/mode/2up
* The Urantia Text – https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/read-urantia-book-online
* The Course in Miracles – https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/A_Course_in_Miracles_Text.pdf
* Jane Eyre – https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1260/1260-h/1260-h.htm
RESOURCES:
https://archive.org/details/sorrytaleastory01currgoog/page/78/mode/2up
https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1542&context=jbms#:~:text=Some%20critics%20of%20the%20Book,claimed%20communi%2D%20cations%20with%20spirits
https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/read-urantia-book-online
https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V52N02_1.pdf
https://sunstone.org/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/050-16-26.pdf
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/A_Course_in_Miracles_Text.pdf
https://archaeology.co.uk/articles/features/glastonbury-abbey.htm
https://gospeltangents.com/2021/10/automatic-writing-bill-davis/ – This is the the source for the three minute clip with Brian Hales talking about automatic writing. This segment is from an interview by Rick Bennett on his video podcast “Gospel Tangents” on the episode titled “Automatic Writing/Bill Davis’s Visions of Seer Stone”
Sheri Dew recently gave a Devotional Talk titled “Prophets Can See Around Corners” at BYU Hawaii on Nov 1st 2022. Bill and RFM take a deep look into this talk to see if what sort of apologetic tricks and absurd claims Sheri Dew makes this time around. Make some hot chocolate, grab a slice of fruitcake, and sit down by the fire, because Reel and RFM are going to fill your stockings with some Christmas Tidings and Apologetic Fallacies and Yuletide Cheer.
RESOURCES:
Sheri Dew’s Talk – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqFKbnzuF-M
Gordon B Hinkley’s 1998 Priesthood Talk – https://youtu.be/J2mcY_SkZSI
Christians traditionally believe Jesus was the Son of David, or in other words, a literal descendant of King David.
But did the earliest Christians share this belief?
Join RFM as he takes a deep dive into the New Testament texts that surprisingly suggest the earliest Christians may have believed that Jesus was NOT descended from David!
New Testament textual criticism has never been this much fun!
This week we explore DezNat or a loosely connected group of folks who claim to be Deseret Nationals. We explore their violent rhetoric and their problematic ideology and we even have a former DezNat follower to help us add context to this story. #DezNat
RESOURCES:
Wiki DezNat – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DezNat
DezNat Twitter – https://twitter.com/DeseretNation
DezNat Exposed – https://exposedeznat.noblogs.org/
DezNat Exposed Twitter – https://twitter.com/exposedeznat
REFERENCES IN THE SHOW:
The Corbridge Manuever Part 1 – https://radiofreemormon.org/2019/03/radio-free-mormon-057-the-corbridge-manuever-part-1/
Wrong Roads – https://radiofreemormon.org/2017/05/extra-radio-free-mormon-wrong-roads/
Nancy Rigdon & The Happiness Letter – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJUtmzt3fJc
RFM and fellow attorney Kolby Reddish continue their discussion of what Mormonism looks like when viewed through the Rules of Evidence applicable in courts of law!
Since 1830 Mormonism has, as likely a part of it’s persecution complex, used violent rhetoric and has taught its members to use violent means. That rhetoric either leads to further violence or at least creates safer spaces for violence to occur. Today we look into Mormonism Past and Present to expose a history wide pattern of Mormon Leaders Encouraging Violence.
RESOURCES:
Boyd K Packer “To Young Men Only” – https://archive.org/details/ToYoungMenOnly/page/n15/mode/2up?view=theater
Wiki Temple Penalties – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endowment_(Mormonism)#The_Nauvoo_endowment_and_Freemasonry
Church acknowledge Joseph Smith Approved the Danites – https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/peace-and-violence-among-19th-century-latter-day-saints?lang=eng
Oath of Vengence – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_vengeance
Journal of Discourses Brigham Young encouraging Murdering adulterers & “Blood Atonement” – https://www.josephsmithfoundation.org/journalofdiscourses/speakers/brigham-young/instructions-to-the-bishops-men-judged-according-to-their-knowledge-organization-of-the-spirit-and-body-thought-and-labor-to-be/
Wilford Woodruff Journal Where Brigham Approves of the “Mountain Meadows Massacre” – https://wilfordwoodruffpapers.org/documents/d3d712e1-2719-4efa-8d2d-b2dfda74f9fb/page/7f604d11-2494-4a3b-9497-35b60e0149b0
The Bishop Warren Snow castration story – https://mormonismlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Castration-2.png
Marion G Romney suggesting it better for one to come home in a casket rather than lose one’s virtue – https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1981/09/we-believe-in-being-chaste?lang=eng
Mark E Peterson repeating Romney’s sentiments – https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/12/SacrificeYourLife.mp3
Elder Holland suggesting defenders of the faith pick up muskets and aim them at those who oppose the Church – https://youtu.be/tg36L1989Ss?t=1223
Year of Polygamy Podcast “Culture of Violence” – https://www.yearofpolygamy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Quinn-The-Culture-of-Violence-In-Joseph-Smiths-Mormonism-w-notes.pdf
I am joined by fellow attorney Kolby Reddish to discuss the Rules of Evidence that apply in courts of law and see how the LDS Church would fare if compelled to abide by those same rules!
Spoiler Alert! It doesn’t end up well for the LDS Church!
What happens when a Member of the LDS Church stands opposed in a sustaining vote of Church leaders, follows the process the Church has laid out around “common consent”, and shows conclusively that current LDS Prophets, Seers, and Revelators have lied to the members. Well, you are about to find out, because Nemo does just that.
RESOURCES:
President Nelson lying about his flight – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz4iQk1M9l4
1832 First Vision Account – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGSKhHQttrs
Elder Oaks Electroshock Hoax – https://youtu.be/0m5qRse2K5M
Elder Holland lying on repeated occasions including prop 8 – https://youtu.be/QyFsy2zQf04
Adam God – https://youtu.be/neaa9rw9ySs
Additional Lies
How Leaders repeatedly compromise themselves – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxidgOPpAxM
Past Leaders lying repeatedly over polygamy – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VZFzK4jBZE
OTHER RESOURCES
Common Council – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Council_of_the_Church
As a follow-up to episode 101 on the Third Convention, Thomas Murphy joins us to add clarity and context to all the ground we covered and to add details that make this story even more interesting.
RESOURCES:
The First Part – Video Version – https://youtu.be/Gmjk3Kht0S8
Thomas W Murphy | Edmonds Community College – Academia.edu
Reinventing Mormonism: Guatemala as Harbinger of the Future? – Dialogue Journal
Zapotec Natural History | UAPress (arizona.edu)
(PDF) ‘Stronger than Ever’: Remnants of the Third Convention. | Thomas W Murphy – Academia.edu
(PDF) Fifty Years of United Order in Mexico | Thomas W Murphy – Academia.edu
(PDF) Other Mormon Histories: Lamanite Subjectivity in Mexico. | Thomas W Murphy – Academia.edu
(PDF) Lamanite Genesis, Genealogy, and Genetics | Thomas W Murphy – Academia.edu
Dr Elisa Pulido discusses Margarito Baustista, Nahua Mormon, with Dr Thomas Murphy – YouTube
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Mexico | SpringerLink
NEH Summer Institutes Program – Claremont Mormon Studies (cgu.edu)
Elder David Bednar recently completed a landmark address in two parts, seeking to defend the LDS Church against its critics.
RFM is joined by the Backyard Professor in breaking down the first part of Elder Bednar’s talk titled, “That Ye May Believe.”
After deconstructing Elder Bednar’s talk, a better title might be, “That Ye May NOT Believe.”
What is the greatest problem in the LDS Church? That question is at the heart of this week’s episode. Jim Bennett is our guest this week on Mormonism LIVE, as we explore this question and some of the territory surrounding it.
Apostasy is something the LDS Church show serious concern over. And why shouldn’t they knowing James Strang, Lorin C. Wooley, Denver Snuffer, Julie Rowe all have led Splinter Factions of one sort or another that have had influence over segments of Latter-day Saints. The idea that a few voices or even a single voice can sway large groups of people into disaffection has the Brethren always on guard. But often the heart of the issue is the lack of listening on the part of the Leaders themselves who can in fact be their own worst enemy. We dive into one such story where LDS Leadership and those they call to preside often become their very own stumbling block as we discuss “The Third Convention”.
Rey Lucero Pratt
[ Cristero Rebellion, a peasant uprising from 1926 to 1929, pushed Mexico to the brink of political chaos. The Cristeros generally saw the conflict as a religious war against the anticlericalism of the Mexican government. This anticlericalism originated in northern Mexico, where North American-style entrepreneurs, Protestant converts, and ambitious politicians built a movement to transform their traditionally Catholic nation into a center of secular economic expansion. The movement’s leading proponent, Plutarco Elías Calles (president of Mexico, 1924–1928), placed rigid regulations on the church, including required registration of priests and the closing of church schools. The church responded with a strike—the cessation of religious services—which caused a panic among the faithful. In Jalisco and the surrounding states of central Mexico, this panic sparked a peasant rebellion. Government claims that the rebels were superstitious tools of scheming priests were largely propaganda. Only about 45 of the 3,600 priests in Mexico supported the rebellion. The Cristeros were indigenous and mestizo peasants whose motives for rebellion were mixed. Most acted to defend their faith against an expansive secular state, while others seized the opportunity to demand more extensive land reform] – https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanities/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/cristero-rebellion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Convention
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints_in_Mexico
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margarito_Bautista
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rey_Pratt
https://mx.laiglesiadejesucristo.org/historia-de-la-iglesia-en-mexico/pioneros/narciso-sandoval
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/cristero-2.htm
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-was-the-cristero-war.html
http://jared.pratt-family.org/parley_family_histories/helaman-pratt/joseph-pratt.html
https://history.churchofjesuschrist.org/chd/individual/margarito-bautista-1878?lang=eng
http://labola.com.mx/la-bola-3/zapata-donde-se-unen-los-colores/
https://www.jstor.org/stable/43040563#metadata_info_tab_contents
RFM has a free-for-all with the gang at Mormon News Roundup! Keeping up with Mormonism in the news has never been so much fun!
To celebrate our 100th episode, we invite all of you to join us as we take a look back at the past 99 episodes and share which have been most meaningful and which are our favorites and we will be taking calls from you our listeners and letting you share with us which ones meant the most to you!
Is it possible a prophet of God would steal someone else’s miracle story for themselves? Check out this podcast for a famous miracle story of Wilford Woodruff where he may have just done that very thing!
On this week’s episode we take a deeper look at the 1826 trial in Bainbridge, NY. We examine what led to the trial, what witnesses claimed, what we know about the trial proceedings, how Smith and Stowell got introduced to each other, and a few other interesting facts along the way that make this such an interesting episode in Church history.
This outline was used in preparation for Mormonism LIVE: 099 : The 1826 Trial of Joseph Smith, The Glass Looker – https://youtu.be/A2JxyoOtNlM
On this week’s episode we take a deeper look at the 1826 trial in Bainbridge, NY. We examine what led to the trial, what witnesses claimed, what we know about the trial proceedings, how Smith and Stowell got introduced to each other, and a few other interesting facts along the way that make this such an interesting episode in Church history.
A.) SET THE STAGE
http://www.fullerconsideration.com/images/frasersmagazine08unkngoog_0243-0244.jpg (Document page 229 [pdf 248])
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/appendix-docket-entry-20-march-1826-state-of-new-york-v-js-a/1
B.) Where does the author in Fraser’s Magazine locate this trial record?
C.) Capt’n Kidd
D.) The Proceedings themselves
E.) Joseph Smith claims he is in Bainbridge “spending a small time looking for mines but mostly working for Stowell on the farming and “Going to School”
F.) He mentions his seer stone and his seeing ability.
G.) Testimony of Others
H.) Court Costs
Court Charges: (Is this all in cents?)
Court found defendant guilty
Cost warrant – 19 cents
Complaint upon Oath – 25.7
Witnesses – 87.5
Recognizince – 25
Mitimus – 19
Recognizince for Witness – 75
Subpoena – 18
TOTAL? $2.68 (verified by the docket commentary on such in next section)
IF THIS PROCEEDING IS TRUE, LDS APOLOGISTS STATE IT WOULD BE THE MOST DAMNING EVIDENCE AGAINST MORMONISM
The Mormon writer Francis W. Kirkham just could not allow himself to believe that the 1826 court record was authentic. He, in fact, felt that if the transcript were authentic it would disprove Mormonism:
“A careful study of all facts regarding this alleged confession of Joseph Smith in a court of law that he had used a seer stone to find hidden treasure for purposes of fraud, must come to the conclusion that no such record was ever made, and therefore, is not in existence…. had he [Joseph Smith] made this confession in a court of law as early as 1826, or four years before the Book of Mormon was printed, and this confession was in a court record, it would have been impossible for him to have organized the restored Church. (A New Witness For Christ In America, vol. 1, pages 385-387)
“If a court record could be identified, and if it contained a confession by Joseph Smith which revealed him to be a poor, ignorant, deluded, and superstitious person — unable himself to write a book of any consequence, and whose church could not endure because it attracted only similar persons of low mentality — if such a court record confession could be identified and proved, then it follows that his believers must deny his claimed divine guidance which led them to follow him…. How could he be a prophet of God, the leader of the Restored Church to these tens of thousands, if he had been the superstitious fraud which ‘the pages from a book’ declared he confessed to be?” (Ibid., p. 486-487)
The noted Mormon apologist Hugh Nibley published a book in which this statement appeared: “…if this court record is authentic it is the most damning evidence in existence against Joseph Smith.” (The Myth Makers, 1961, page 142) On the same page we read that such a court record would be “the most devastating blow to Smith ever delivered.” Because he could see the serious implications of the matter, Dr. Nibley tried in every way possible to destroy the idea that the court record was an authentic document.
I.) Additional Documentation
J.) Surrounding Statements that shape our perception
K.) Other Interesting data points
CONCLUSION:
(feather but not the accompanying treasure, stolen items, bribing a person’s family to tell him where their loved one hid the thing
RESOURCES:
http://www.fullerconsideration.com/sources.php?cat=GP-T26
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/joseph-smiths-1826-trial?lang=eng
https://www.shields-research.org/General/LDS_Leaders/1stPres/Joseph_Smith/1826_Trial_Walters.htm
https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1504&context=byusq
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/introduction-to-state-of-new-york-v-js-a/1
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/fee-bill-circa-9-november-1826-state-of-new-york-v-js-a/1
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/appendix-docket-entry-20-march-1826-state-of-new-york-v-js-a/1
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/220141943.pdf
https://www.jstor.org/stable/45225965#metadata_info_tab_contents
http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no68.htm
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1834-1836/48
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1834-1836/107
https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2287&context=byusq
RFM delves into four fascinating items related to Mormonism he has only recently discovered.
You won’t want to miss this one!
In this Episode Bill and RFM will go into a story few members know about in regards to the Prophet Joseph Smith and one of his young plural wives. It involves some re-gifting, a land deal, and Harsh Measures
T-Shirt Contest Voting takes place here – https://forms.gle/MzBroWzRvk7EFEpQ9
A.) Lucien Woodworth born April 3rd 1799
a.) Appointed aide-de-camp in Nauvoo Legion, May 1841
b.) Member of Nauvoo Masonic Lodge
c.) Admitted to Council of Fifty, 11 Mar. 1844
d.) Traveled to Texas to negotiate with Sam Houston for possible Latter-day Saint settlement, 1844.
e.) Sent by JS to deliver letter explaining Latter-day Saint difficulties to Illinois governor Thomas Ford, 22 June 1844.
B.) The Interactions between The Woodworth family and the Smiths generally
C.) Strange Interactions with potential suitor
D.) William Clayton records multiple visits by the Prophet to see young Flora Ann Woodworth
E.) Joseph Smith seems to be in the picture a lot but this is because 16 year old Flora Ann has by the Spring of 1843 become a plural wife of the Prophet Joseph Smith
1.) In the spring of 1843 Joseph Smith was sealed to 16 year old Flora Ann Woodworth
2.) That story w/ Orange Wight… here is the rest of the story
F.) The Gift Giving of a Gold Watch
G.) According to Clayton the argument that started when Smith showed up on the scene to find Emma in a confrontation with Flora continued on the carriage ride home and once the Smith’s got back to their home. George D. Smith, ed., An Intimate Chronicle: The Journals of William Clayton (Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 1995), 119.
H.) Coincidence or Women scorned
I.) And as I was digging into this story…… I found a couple more things
J.) Other Interesting facts
K.) Sad Ending
RESOURCES:
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/deed-to-flora-ann-woodworth-13-may-1843/1
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/deed-to-flora-ann-woodworth-13-may-1843/2
https://www.exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,58572
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/person/flora-ann-woodworth-gove
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/19-FloraAnnWoodworth.htm
https://www.ancestry.com/genealogy/records/flora-ann-woodworth-24-1g3l7rw
https://www.yearofpolygamy.com/tag/flora-ann-woodworth/
http://nauvoo.byu.edu/ViewExtract.aspx?Record=1850Pop&ID=15928
http://www.mormonthink.com/QUOTES/jsplural.htm
https://shemwellfamily.com/webtrees/individual.php?pid=I26226&ged=Shemwell
https://www.yearofpolygamy.com/tag/flora-ann-woodworth/
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/80764619/flora-ann-gove
http://www.withoutend.org/emmas-awareness-response-brian-hales-jmh-letter-editor/
This list the plural marriages around the same time (should be an interesting read)
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/person/lucien-woodworth (Father)
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/deed-to-lucien-woodworth-and-others-31-may-1843/1 (Deed to parents)
http://www.joylogan.com/LDS/Parallel/1843/21Feb43.html
Some book on Clayton’s recording plural marriage
https://doctrineandcovenantscentral.org/history/orange-l-wight/
https://americansocietyofarmscollectors.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/1978-B39-The-Feuding-Gunsmiths-Of-Denver.pdf
https://mdpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2022/10/1843-Land-Plot.png
A listener was able to have a candid chat with Elder Bednar recently and agreed to share with us how it went! This is part 2 of that conversation. Join us live!
One General Conference. Five Sessions. Ten hours. Thirty-Six Talks. ALL IN UNDER SIXTY MINUTES!!!
RFM and Bill Reel will sit down with author Cheryl Bruno to discuss her book “Method Infinite: Freemasonry and the Mormon Restoration”.
Synopsis of her book – “While no one thing can entirely explain the rise of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the historical influence of Freemasonry on this religious tradition cannot be refuted. Those who study Mormonism have been aware of the impact that Freemasonry had on the founding prophet Joseph Smith during the Nauvoo period, but his involvement in Freemasonry was arguably earlier and broader than many modern historians have admitted. The fact that the most obvious vestiges of Freemasonry are evident only in the more esoteric aspects of the Mormon faith has made it difficult to recognize, let alone fully grasp, the relevant issues. Even those with both Mormon and Masonic experience may not be versed in the nineteenth-century versions of Masonry’s rituals, legends, and practices. Without this specialized background, it is easy to miss the Masonic significance of numerous early Mormon ordinances, scripture, and doctrines. Method Infinite: Freemasonry and the Mormon Restoration offers a fresh perspective on the Masonic thread present in Mormonism from its earliest days. Smith’s firsthand knowledge of and experience with both Masonry and anti-Masonic currents contributed to the theology, structure, culture, tradition, history, literature, and ritual of the religion he founded.”
Resources:
Cheryl’s Book – https://www.amazon.com/Method-Infinite-Freemasonry-Mormon-Restoration/dp/1589587537
http://www.skirret.com/archive/misc/misc-m/mormonsmasonryandthemorganaffair.html
https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/masonry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Freemasonry
https://www.mrm.org/masonry-and-the-mormon-temple-endowment-ceremony
A listener was able to have a candid chat with Elder Bednar recently and agreed to share with us how it went! Join us live!
Dan Vogel joins RFM to discuss the Occult in the Life of Joseph Smith and his family.
Evidence has recently come to my attention that the LDS Church is currently engaged in removing miraculous elements from some of its cherished stories in Church History.
This episode presents that evidence.
Let me know what you think in the comments section below!
In Mormon parlance, the Tar and Feathering of Joseph Smith is a faith promoting story about a mob of mean men punishing Joseph Smith for being a prophet. But it doesn’t take one long when their ears are to the ground in non-correlated circles to hear rumblings that the tar and feathering is connected to something more devious on Joseph Smith’s end. In this episode Bill & RFM explore the story of Joseph Smith’s being tarred and feathered to see what info there is that can best explain this mob mentality in the wee hours of the morning of March 25, 1832.
A.) Setup of the story with the context of how Joseph Smith was in Hiram Ohio and what other historical context is needed to help people grasp this moment historically (Leaving out the possible scandalous context)
After returning to Ohio from Missouri in late August 1831, JS made preparations to move his family from Kirtland to Hiram, Ohio, where he planned to resume his “translation,” or revision, of the Bible—a project he had been working on since 1830. The move occurred on 12 September 1831, following a conference held in Kirtland that same day.1 In Hiram, JS and his family stayed at the John and Alice (Elsa) Jacobs Johnson home, sleeping probably in a back room on the main level. In the end of October, the Johnsons partitioned an upstairs room, creating a work space for JS in the southeast portion of the house, where he worked on the Bible revision.2 Beginning in September, John Whitmer served as scribe for this project, working on the books of Matthew and Mark, until Sidney Rigdon assumed this responsibility in November.3 Periodically, JS traveled to Kirtland or other townships in northeastern Ohio to conduct church business,4 but he spent most of the fall in Hiram.
B.) How the mob mentality was built up and tensions arose
C.) The event as described by Joseph Smith (Where Joseph abbreviates the mob’s language we have inserted the actual swearing)
Joseph’s telling reiterated in Lucy Mack Smith’s History and published originally in the Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 611. Millennial Star, vol. 14, p. 148. –
“On the twenty-fourth of March [1832], the twins before mentioned, which had been sick of the measles for some time, caused us to be broken of our rest in taking care of them, especially my wife. In the evening I told her she had better retire to rest with one of the children, and I would watch with the sicker child (Murdock Boy).[iv] In the night she told me I had better lie down on the trundle bed, and I did so, and was soon after awakened by her screaming murder! when I found myself going out of the door in the hands of about a dozen men; some of whose hands were in my hair, and some had hold of my shirt, drawers, and limbs. The foot of the trundle bed was towards the door, leaving only room enough for the door to swing. “My wife heard a gentle tapping on the windows, which she then took no particular notice of (but which was unquestionably designed for ascertaining whether we were all asleep), and, soon after, the mob burst open the door and surrounded the bed in an instant,[v] and, as I said, the first I knew I was going out of the door in the hands of an infuriated mob. I made a desperate struggle, as I was forced out, to extricate myself, but only cleared one leg with which I made a pass at one man and he fell on the door steps.[vi] I was immediately confined again, and they swore by God, they would kill me if I did not be still, which quieted me. As they passed around the house with me, the fellow that I kicked came to me and thrust his hand into my face all covered with blood (for I hit him on the nose), and with an exultant horse laugh, muttered, ‘God, God, God damn ye, I’ll fix ye.’ “They then seized me by the throat and held on till I lost my breath. After I came to, as they passed along with me, about thirty rods from the house,[vii] I saw Elder Rigdon stretched out on the ground, whither they had dragged him by the heels. I supposed he was dead. “I began to plead with them, saying, ‘you will have mercy and spare my life, I hope.’ To which they replied, ‘God damn ye, call on yer God for help, we’ll show ye no mercy’; and the people began to show themselves in every direction; one coming from the orchard had a plank and I expected they would kill me and carry me off on a plank.[viii] They then turned to the right and went on about thirty rods farther-about sixty rods from the house[ix] and about thirty from where I saw Elder Rigdon-into the meadow, where they stopped, and one said, ‘Simonds, Simonds,’ (meaning, I supposed, Simonds Rider), ‘pull up his drawers, pull up his drawers, he will take cold.’ “Another replied, ‘Ain’t ye going to kill ‘im? Ain’t ye going to kill ‘im?’ when a group of mobbers collected a little way off and said, ‘Simonds, Simonds, come here’; and Simonds charged those who had hold of me to keep me from touching the ground (as they had done all the time), lest I should get a spring upon them. They went and held a council, and as I could occasionally overhear a word, I supposed it was to know whether it was best to kill me. “They returned, after a while, when I learned that they had concluded not to kill me, but pound and scratch me well, tear off my shirt and drawers, and leave me naked. One cried, ‘Simonds, Simonds, where is the tar bucket?’ “‘I don’t know,’ answered one, ‘where ’tis, Eli’s left it.’ They ran back and fetched the bucket of tar, when one exclaimed, with an oath, ‘Let us tar up his mouth’; and they tried to force the tar paddle into my mouth; I twisted my head around so that they could not, and they cried out, ‘God damn ye, hold up yer head and let us giv ye some tar.’ They then tried to force a vial into my mouth and broke it in my teeth.[x] All my clothes were torn off me, except my shirt collar; and one man fell on me and scratched my body with his nails like a mad cat, and then muttered out, ‘God damn ye, that’s the way the Holy Ghost falls on folks.’ “They then left me, and I attempted to rise, but fell again; I pulled the tar away from my lips, etc., so that I could breathe more freely, and after a while I began to recover and raised myself up, when I saw two lights. I made my way towards one of them and found it was Father Johnson’s. When I had come to the door I was naked, and the tar made me look as though I was covered with blood; and when my wife saw me, she thought I was all mashed to pieces and fainted. During the affray abroad, the sisters of the neighborhood had collected at my room. I called for a blanket, they threw me one and shut the door; I wrapped it around me, and went in. “In the meantime, Brother John Poorman heard an outcry across the cornfield, and running that way met Father Johnson, who had been fastened in his house at the commencement of the assault, by having his door barred by the mob, but on calling to his wife to bring his gun, saying he would blow a hole through the door, the mob fled, and Father Johnson, seizing a club, ran after the party that had Elder Rigdon, and knocked one man, and raised his club to level another, exclaiming: “What are you doing here?”[xi] when they left Elder Rigdon and turned upon Father Johnson, who, turning to run towards his own house, met Brother Poorman coming out of the cornfield; each supposing the other to be a mobber, an encounter ensued, and Poorman gave Johnson a severe blow on the left shoulder with a stick or stone, which brought him to the ground. Poorman ran immediately towards Father Johnson’s, and arriving while I was waiting for the blanket, exclaimed: ‘I’m afraid I’ve killed him.’ ‘Killed who?’ asked one; when Poorman hastily related the circumstances of the encounter near the cornfield, and went into the shed and hid himself. Father Johnson soon recovered so as to come to the house, when the whole mystery was quickly solved concerning the difficulty between him and Poorman, who, on learning the facts, joyfully came from his hiding place.[xii] “My friends spent the night in scraping and removing the tar, and washing and cleansing my body, so that by morning I was ready to be clothed again. This being Sabbath morning, the people assembled for meeting at the usual hour of worship, and among them came also the mobbers, viz., Simonds Rider, a Campbellite preacher and leader of the mob; one McClentic, who had his hands in my hair; one Streeter, son of a Campbellite minister; and Felatiah Allen, Esq., who gave the mob a barrel of whisky to raise their spirits; and many others. With my flesh all scarified and defaced, I preached to the congregation as usual, and in the afternoon of the same day baptized three individuals. “The next morning I went to see Elder Rigdon and found him crazy, and his head highly inflamed, for they had dragged him by his heels, and those, too, so high from the ground that he could not raise his head from the rough, frozen surface, which lacerated it exceedingly; and when he saw me he called to his wife to bring him his razor. She asked him what he wanted of it; and he replied, to kill me. Sister Rigdon left the room, and he asked me to bring his razor. I asked him what he wanted of it, and he replied he wanted to kill his wife; and he continued delirious some days. The feathers which were used with the tar on this occasion, the mob took out of Elder Rigdon’s house. After they had seized him, and dragged him out, one of the banditti returned to get some pillows; when the women shut him in and kept him a prisoner some time. “During the mobbing, one of the twins contracted a severe cold, and continued to grow worse till Friday and died.[xiii] The mobbers were composed of various religious parties, but mostly Campbellites, Methodists and Baptists, who continued to molest and menace Father Johnson’s house for a long time.”
D.) Details of story as suggested by those involved as well as additional researchers after the fact. Some of these came out in the narrative we just read others are added from additional sources.
“TRIUMPHS OF THE MORMON FAITH” — Several verbal statements agree in establishing the following facts.” “That on Saturday night, March 24, a number of persons, some say 25 or 30, disguised with coloured faces, entered the rooms in Hiram, where the two Mormonite leaders, Smith and Rigdon were sleeping, and took them, together with the pillows on which they slept, carried them a short distance and after besmearing their bodies with tar, applied the contents of the pillows to the same.
E.) The additional data that is left out of Faith promoting tellings, recognizing some of it may be unsubstantiated.
Hartwell, his son, then said, “I well remember that night. My father was extremely ill and spent the night in the outhouse.”
a.) But it appears that perhaps Susan Easton Black was distorting the story. The source found said the following – After the event, if anyone inquired of the whereabouts of any of the mobbers of 24 March, an appropriate alibi was ready. These alibis were even passed to the next generation. For example, according to Ryder’s son, Hartwell, Ryder was not involved in the tarring and feathering of Joseph Smith. Nor did he preach on the following Sunday in the south schoolhouse on Ryder Road and glory that he had been an instrument of the Lord in driving the Mormons out of Hiram. Instead, Hartwell wrote, Ryder was “ill in bed at the time.”
F.) Conclusion
“The motives of the mob are best understood as a public manifestation of the personal feud between Smith and Rigdon, and Ryder and Booth. When Booth and Ryder left Mormonism, they seemed to believe that their attacks against Smith and Rigdon would go unchallenged and result in the fall of Mormonism. One man wrote that Booth gave Mormons “such a coloring, or appearance of falsehood, that the public feeling was, that ‘Mormonism’ was overthrown.”51 Yet Smith and Rigdon launched a campaign against Booth and Ryder that rebuffed their accusations and discredited both men. Particularly Ryder, the likely organizer and leader of the mob, seemed determined to pursue a personal vendetta against Smith and Rigdon. Ryder claimed that the central factor was property, especially the perceived loss of property among Smith’s followers and the corresponding accumulation of property in Smith’s hands. The doctrine of Mormonism that would come to be called the Law of Consecration required members to deed their property to the Church to be used collectively for the benefit of all Mormons under the oversight of Mormon leaders. Individual Mormons would then receive land back from the Church as “stewardships’ from which they were to provide for their families and then distribute any excess for the care of the poor. This redistribution of property and wealth caused a fury amongst some Mormons who viewed private property ownership as a central component of their broader American identity. Ryder and Booth’s war of words against Smith and Rigdon, combined with charges of property aggrandizement against Smith, generated an atmosphere wherein generally peaceful Ohioans resorted to violence in an effort to protect both reputation and property.”
RESOURCES:
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/manual/primary-5/lesson-21?lang=eng
https://www.loc.gov/item/2003654762/
https://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/57996-why-was-joseph-smith-really-tarred-and-feathered/
http://www.fourth-millennium.net/family-travels/warren-waste-articles.html
https://collections.lib.utah.edu/dl_files/90/95/90952bc05f541dc324afb5725a0dc6a7e34be159.pdf
https://www.ldsliving.com/when-a-mob-failed-to-murder-the-prophet-joseph-smith-twice/s/89143
http://scottgemmell.blogspot.com/2010/10/tar-and-feathering-of-prophet-joseph.html?m=1
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/minutes-17-february-1833/1#foot-notes
https://journals.tplondon.com/ijor/article/view/1104/854
https://texags.com/forums/15/topics/606504
https://www.ranker.com/list/history-of-tarring-and-feathering/rachel-souerbry
http://www.mormonthink.com/essays-peace-and-violence.htm
https://cdm15999.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p15999coll31/id/18156
I had a blast doing some magic at the 2022 Sunstone Symposium!
Even though this is just the audio, I was pleased to find it entertaining to listen to.
I hope you enjoy it!
RFM and Bill sit down with Movie Director Richard Dutcher to explore his career directing the movies God’s Army, Brigham City, & States of Grace. We take a look at these films through the perspective of Richard’s faith journey and take an evening to get to know the man who kicked of Mormon cinema.
RESOURCES:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dutcher
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0244756/
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1979/05/trust-in-the-lord?lang=eng (12:00)
https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/2015/06/michael-reed-and-the-symbol-of-the-cross/ (Richard mentioned the use of the cross in his movies so this might help give context)
Throughout multiple talks including one released just a few days ago, Sister Bonnie Cordon, Young Women general president, has spoke about the loss of her Grandson, Derek within Church approved channels. What she doesn’t say is that the death of this child is surrounded by horrific details that contradict witness statements that involve allegations of child abuse, arrests, homicide, and aggravated Child Abuse charges. We expose this story shining a light on the details of a story where nothing adds up. Everyone in the Church seems willing to use this story to promote the LDS Church but no one wants to clearly explain what happened to this little boy.
RESOURCES:
Elder Holland joking about Cordon’s being poor www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp8dfu3TEG0&t=3180s
2019 BYU Women’s Conference – https://youtu.be/8xGA6KpBk5I?t=5672
BYU Devotional Feb 4th 2020 – https://youtu.be/cLLShkcaWWM?t=935
www.thechurchnews.com/2020/2/4/23215865/sister-cordon-byu-devotional-prayer
BYU Devotional Feb 4th 2020 – https://youtu.be/cLLShkcaWWM?t=935
Hear Him Recent https://youtu.be/oxpr87qHhzU
LDS Mag getting in on the action – https://latterdaysaintmag.com/how-president-cordon-learned-to-hearhim-after-her-grandsons-death/
The 4 Page Report – https://www.myflfamilies.com/childfatality/reports/2016-344471.pdf
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12. From December 9th 2016 to May 11th 2017, the State of Florida has maintained that this was a homicide caused by the parents of Derek Cordon to little Derek with the parents offering no satisfactory explanation.
Cordon XMAS https://mormonismlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/CordonXmas.png
The LDS Church has appointed a new Church Historian named Elder Kyle S. McKay.
True to form, the new Church Historian is a lawyer. What makes Elder McKay different is that he was also my missionary companion in Japan from January to February of 1980!
Join me as I talk not only about old times, but why it is the LDS Church has a predilection for putting lawyers in charge of their history department!
This week RFM and Bill sit down with the creator and musical artist known as Weird Alma. Weird Alma has brought us musical parodies such as Gaslighting, S.C.M.C., Tapirback Rider, You’re (Several Months Shy of) Fifteen, and many more. Weird Alma shows us firsthand that humor and music can play a role in our processing and healing from religious trauma.
Resources:
https://www.ldsdiscussions.com/116pages
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrisite_War
http://johnlarsen.org/podcast/Archive/MormonExpression276.mp3
Weird Alma the artist is not associated with Mormon Discussion Inc. or the Mormonism LIVE Show. His song’s contain similar tunes and lyrics to other well known songs. He holds that said use of music falls under FAIR USE and under the realm of Parody. Parody is a literary or musical work in which the style of an author or work is closely imitated for comic effect. Eric Herman offers his parody songs for free hence his music is not for commercial use. The only monetary gain for Mormon Discussion Inc (a Federally approved Non-profit) is youtube advertising which it is sharing per youtube’s agreement with the original artists.
Mormonism LIVE: 089: Manipulation, Money, & Mormon Sex Abuse On this Episode Bill 7 RFM take a look at the recent Sex Abuse Scandal trying to explore the legal process and try to better understand the LDS Church’s perspective. We look at the Arizona Law, talk about the when , how, and why about the Church’s helpline. They sort through why the Church imposes non-reporting in states that give a choice. And they finish talking about the newest press release on the issue released during their live show.
Resources:
https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2022/08/12/brenton-erickson-gerardo-sumano/?
fbclid=IwAR0jfW9LUQzC5zKcwBXVaoaa7rhcOrwFIRAHs3lr2h6LTIykF_rjmWVBm6w
https://apnews.com/article/Mormon-church-sexual-abuse-investigation-e0e39cf9aa4fbe0d8c1442033b894660
https://apnews.com/article/Mormon-church-sexual-abuse-takeaways-f01fba7521ddddffa89622668b54ac10
A USAF sergeant explains how the strict demands of Mormonism broke him as a young man, making him feel completely alone and unaccepted by God, even causing eating disorders. After every solution the Church offered failed, he finally found healing through secular means.
Today we dive deep into the idea that Mormonism grooms compliance. We start by showing it is the baseline of our theology and belief system. We show how it is reinforced by our stories and songs, show all the pervasive ways it shows up in our faith system. And even how the Leaders impose such on each other. And then discuss how unhealthy such is.
A.) Obedience is the First Law of Heaven or the ground zero of theology/commandments
B.) The constant teaching that answering NO is not allowed and how it is a “Thought Stopping Technique”
C.) We make heroes out of those who proceed with the horrific and label people bad or sinful who might object out of conscience
D.) Church Leaders impose that we obey them at all costs
E.) Leadership teach each other to be compliant
Major News in Mormonism happened this week when a photograph surfaced alleging to be the Prophet Joseph Smith. So Bill and RFM dug into the story and followed the trail examining the Photographs, Portraits, Daguerreotypes, and other depictions both known to be Joseph for certain and also alleged to see if we could get to the bottom of what Joseph Smith really looked like.
RESOURCES:
https://www.thechurchnews.com/archives/1997-12-06/what-did-joseph-smith-really-look-like-128922
https://www.knowbrotherjoseph.com/death-mask-unreliable
http://silverepicent.com/photofound/photofound/Photograph_Found/RLDS_Painting.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5aUTj-VvRM – Historical discussion of the Joseph Smith photo discovery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rspFgoyU5Hg – amateur facial analysis of the Death Mask and the newly discovered photo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzk4Z4Wrz38 – 2nd amateur facial analysis of the Death Mask and the newly discovered photo.
RFM and Bill sit down with Ronald Huggins, author of the new book “Lighthouse: Jerald and Sandra Tanner, Despised and Beloved Critics of Mormonism” & Sandra Tanner who is featured in the book to discuss some of the interesting stories that went into the published work. And towards the end of the show we discuss Bill recently dealing with a threat from the son of one of the General Authorities who heads up the SCMC (Strengthening Church Members Committee) as well as Bill’s recent interaction with FAIR regarding God’s carnal intercourse with Mary, the Mother of Jesus
When RFM and Bill Reel joined Mormonism, they heard rumors that Early LDS Leaders had taught that Mary was impregnated by Heavenly Father via a sexual act. But the Church and its apologists insisted that such idea was a misconstrued out of context assumption and with a sleight of hand the problem was gone…. Or is it. Tonight on Mormonism LIVE, RFM and Bill Reel take a long hard look at where this idea comes from within the history and see if baby Jesus was in fact the illegitimate child of our heavenly father.
RESOURCES:
BRIGHAM YOUNG—APRIL 9, 1852—JD 1:50-51
https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/JournalOfDiscourses3/id/1861
(This is a BYU Library Digital Collections page)
My next sermon will be….
Stems from D&C 130:22
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/130?lang=eng
ORSON PRATT IN AGREEMENT!
ORSON PRATT—The Seer, Vol 1. No. 10, 1853 (page 158-59)
https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/NCMP1820-1846/id/18108
GOD MARRIED TO MARY—STARTS WITH ORSON PRATT?
NOTE: Orson Pratt was opposed to BY on the Adam-God Theory; i.e., that it was Adam who came and had sex with Mary; but Orson Pratt was totally on board with the idea that Elohim did the exact same thing!
BUT THEN BRIGHAM YOUNG ECHOES THE IDEA
Brigham Young AUGUST 19, 1866 “The man Joseph, the husband of Mary, did not, that we know of, have more than one wife, but Mary the wife of Joseph had another husband.” [Journal of Discourses, vol. 11:268]
Bill: Orson Pratt and Brigham Young Agree…. Huh – It is not just a single quote “hidden in an obscure paragraph of one talk”.
JESUS THE CHRIST—JAMES TALMAGE
Mention My Special Little Leather Book!
Chapter 7—Page 81 (published 1915)
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/jesus-the-christ/chapter-7?lang=eng
His message delivered, Gabriel departed, leaving the chosen Virgin of Nazareth to ponder over her wondrous experience. Mary’s promised Son was to be “The Only Begotten” of the Father in the flesh; so it had been both positively and abundantly predicted. True, the event was unprecedented; true also it has never been paralleled; but that the virgin birth would be unique was as truly essential to the fulfillment of prophecy as that it should occur at all. That Child to be born of Mary was begotten of Elohim, the Eternal Father, not in violation of natural law but in accordance with a higher manifestation thereof; and, the offspring from that association of supreme sanctity, celestial Sireship, and pure though mortal maternity, was of right to be called the “Son of the Highest.” In His nature would be combined the powers of Godhood with the capacity and possibilities of mortality; and this through the ordinary operation of the fundamental law of heredity, declared of God, demonstrated by science, and admitted by philosophy, that living beings shall propagate—after their kind. The Child Jesus was to inherit the physical, mental, and spiritual traits, tendencies, and powers that characterized His parents—one immortal and glorified—God, the other human—woman.
MELVIN J. BALLARD (1923)
Melvin J. Ballard (Mormon apostle): “as to whether or not his was a virgin birth, a birth wherein divine power interceded. … And if God the Eternal Father is not the real Father of Jesus Christ, then are we in confusion; then is he not in reality the Son of God. But we declare that he is the Only Begotten of the Father in the flesh. … No man or woman can live in mortality and survive the presence of the Highest except by the sustaining power of the Holy Ghost. So it came upon her to prepare her for admittance into the divine presence, and the power of the Highest, who is the Father, was present, and overshadowed her, and the holy Child that was born of her was called the Son of God. Men who deny this, or who think that it degrades our Father, have no true conception of the sacredness of the most marvelous power with which God has endowed mortal men–the power of creation. Even though that power may be abused and may become a mere harp of pleasure to the wicked, nevertheless it is the most sacred and holy and divine function with which God has endowed man. Made holy, it is retained by the Father of us all, and in his exercise of that great and marvelous creative power and function, he did not debase himself, degrade himself, nor debauch his daughter. Thus Christ became the literal Son of a divine Father, and no one else was worthy to be his father.” [Deseret News, 23 Dec 1923; Sermons and Missionary Services of Melvin J. Ballard, 166-167.]
JOSEPH FIELDING SMITH
CHAPTER 2 THE SON OF GOD THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THE FIRSTBORN.
DOCTRINES OF SALVATION, VOLUME 1:12-14
CHRIST NOT BEGOTTEN OF HOLY GHOST. I believe firmly that Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God in the flesh. He taught this doctrine to his disciples. He did not teach them that he was the Son of the Holy Ghost, but the Son of the Father. Truly, all things are done by the power of the Holy Ghost. It was through this power that Jesus was brought into this world, but not as the Son of the Holy Ghost, but the Son of God. Jesus is greater than the Holy Spirit, which is subject unto him,but his Father is greater than he! He has said it. Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!
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FALSE “REORGANITE” DOCTRINE ABOUT BIRTH OF CHRIST. “Reorganites” claim that Brigham Young went astray and apostatized because he declared that Jesus Christ was not begotten of the Holy Ghost. “Reorganites claim that he was begotten of the Holy Ghost, and they make the statement that the scriptures so teach. But they do err not understanding the scriptures. They tell us the Book of Mormon states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost. I challenge the statement. The Book of Mormon teaches no such thing! Neither does the Bible. It is true there is one passage that states so, but we must consider it in the light of other passages with which it is in conflict.
NOTE: This ties in later with the FAIR response which relies first on the passage of scripture that JSF challenges and refutes!
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CHRIST NOT SON OF THE HOLY GHOST. If “Reorganites” are correct, then Jesus is not the Only Begotten Son of the Father, but the Son of the Holy Ghost. This will not do for it conflicts with the scriptures. The Prophet taught that the Father. Son, and Holy Ghost were three separate personages, and that Jesus was the Only Begotten of the Father. In the Book of Genesis (Inspired Version), Jesus is spoken of throughout as the Only Begotten of the Father not less than 12 times, and in the Book of Mormon at least five times, and a great number of times in the Doctrine and Covenants; and in these scriptures he is spoken of as the Son of God innumerable times.
Now, if he is the Only Begotten of the Father in flesh, he must be the Son of the Father and not the Son of the Holy Ghost. Yet, to be consistent, “Reorganites” must claim that Jesus is the Son of the Holy Ghost and not the Son of God the Father. Their alternative — if it can be called such — must be, then, the stand of Mr. William H. Kelley, “president” of their “apostles,” who gave a written statement in answer to the question put to him by the writer, September 10, 1903: “You say that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was begotten of the Holy Ghost. Is he the Son of the Holy Ghost?”
Mr. Kelley signed his answer as follows: “I do not know. Wm. H. Kelley.”
Just think of this for a moment. Here is a man professing to be the chief of the special witnesses for Christ, declaring that he does not know whether Jesus is the Son of God the Father or the Son of the Holy Ghost. And the Savior declared it so plainly that he was the Son of the Father, his Only Begotten, and was so acknowledged by the Father throughout the scriptures. “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”
BRUCE R. McCONKIE (MORMON DOCTRINE) 1st edition 1958 (pg 495 in adobe version)
https://mormonleaks.io/wiki/documents/6/6b/1958-Mormon_Doctrine-Bruce_R_McConkie.pdf
Only Begotten Son. See BELOVED SoN, CHRIST, SoN, SoN OF God. Christ is the Only Begotten (Moses I :6, 17, 21, 33; 2:1, 26-27; 3: 18; 4:1), the Only Begotten Son (Jae. 4:5, I I; Alma 12:33-34; 13:5; D. & C. 20:21; 29:42; 49:5; 76:13, 25; John 1:18; 3: 16), the Only Begotten of the Father. (Moses 5:9.) These name-titles all signify that our Lord is the only Son of the Father in the flesh. Each of the words is to be understood literally: Only means only; Begotten means begotten; and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers. (p. 494)
SON OF GOD: (p. 670) God the Father is a perfected, glorified, holy Man, an immortal Personage. And Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events, for he is the Son of God, and that designation means what it says.
REDEFINITION OF WORD “VIRGIN”
Mormon Doctrine—First Edition—1958—page 745
Virgin Birth. SEE ANNUNCIATION, BIRTH, CHRIST, IMMACULATE CONCEPTION THEORY, MARY. Our Lord is the only mortal person ever born to a virgin, because he is the only person who ever had an immortal Father. Mary, his mother, “was carried away in the Spirit” (1 Ne. 11:13-21), was “overshadowed” by the Holy Ghost, and the conception which took place “by the power of the Holy Ghost” resulted in the bringing forth of the literal and personal Son of God the Father. (Alma 7: 10; 2 Ne. 17: 14; Isa. 7:14; Matt. 1:18-25; Luke 1:26-38.) Christ is not the Son of the Holy Ghost, but of the Father. (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. I, pp. 18-20.) Modernistic teachings denying the virgin birth are utterly and completely apostate and false.
NOTE: This innovation allows for Mary to still be a “virgin” so long as we define a virgin who has never had sex with a man; but apparently Mary could have physical sex with an immortal being and still be considered a “virgin.”
EZRA TAFT BENSON
Ezra Taft Benson quoted in Encyclopedia of Mormonism, page 725
And then 729
ENCYCLOPEDIA OF MORMONISM (1990)
https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/EoM/id/3818
Eldred G Smith : “If our Father in heaven is an exalted being-I just want to knock one little principle that is taught around the world that I cannot believe-then he has the capacity and the ability of accomplishing and doing anything that any mortal can do. I cannot believe this doctrine that is taught universally of an immaculate conception of Christ, that Christ was born from an immaculate conception. There is no such thing possible. Jesus Christ was the literal Son of God the Father by his spirit body and also by his physical body. The difference between Christ and us is that he had the same Father for his spirit body that he had for his physical body. But He had a mortal mother on earth. The scriptures say that she was overshadowed by the Holy Ghost. (See Luke 1:35.) Of course there had to be some means of making this possible while she was still in mortality. Further details are not necessary, but Christ himself declared all his life that he was the Son of God, and he meant it” (Eldred G. Smith (Patriarch to the Church), March 10, 1964, BYU Speeches of the Year, 1964, p.8).
IN OFFICIAL PUBLICATION
“He is the Son of God, literally, actually, as men are the sons of mortal parents..” (What the Mormons Think of Christ, a pamphlet published by the LDS Church, p. 27) 1982
https://issuu.com/vintageldspamphlets/docs/what_the_mormons_think_of_christ_19_d4a3fb717d1404
Bill: https://mormonismlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Mormon-Leaders-claim-God-impregnated-Mary-by-sex.pdf
Wait a minute…. Brigham Young taught it, Orson Pratt Agreed, The early brethren taught it including Heber C Kimball and Melvin J Ballard. It has been taught over and over by Joseph Fielding Smith, Bruce R McConkie, Ezra Taft Benson. It was spoken of as a way to know LDS Mormonism was true and the Reorganites weren’t. It was taught in Jesus the Christ, part of the “approved missionary library” and is spoken of in the Encyclopedia of Mormonism which while not official ? Huh… So It is not just a single quote “hidden in an obscure paragraph of one talk”. PLAY NEIL ANDERSON QUOTE
Harold B Lee:
“Bruce Bracken
[Address Redacted]
Logan Utah 84321
Dear Bro. Bracken,
We are very much concerned that some of our teachers seem to be obsessed of the idea of teaching doctrine that cannot be substantiated and making comments beyond what the Lord has actually said.
You asked about the birth of the Savior. Never have I talked about sexual intercourse between Deity and the mother of the Savior. If teachers were wise in speaking of this matter about which the Lord has said but very little, they would rest their discussion on this subject with merely the words which are recorded on this subject in Luke 1:34-35:
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
“Remember that the being who was brought about by [Mary’s] conception was a divine personage. We need not question His method to accomplish His purposes. Perhaps we would do well to remember the words of Isaiah 55:8-9:
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts
Let the Lord rest His case with this declaration and wait until He sees fit to tell us more.” (The Teachings of Harold B. Lee, ed. Clyde J. Williams
Sincerely Yours,
Harold B Lee
(Private Letter January 2nd 1969)
FAIR RESPONSE
https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Did_God_have_Sex_with_Mary.pdf
RESOURCES:
https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Did_God_have_Sex_with_Mary.pdf
https://beliefmap.org/mormonism/mormonism-teaches-god-and-mary-sexually-produced-jesus
https://mormonismlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/godmaryhom
If one is finally at a place where they really want to understand both sides, really want to wrestle with their faith, what are the books that best introduce the believer to the complex history, the fallibility of prophets, and the trauma of Mormon influence? Bill and RFM seek to lay out a list of books that introduce the reader to a more full picture of Mormonism, of the Prophet Joseph Smith, and of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and it leaders since that spring morning in 1820.
RFM is joined once again by Scott from Rameumptom Ruminations to review the controversial series about Warren Jeffs and the FLDS Church, “Keep Sweet: Pray and Obey“!
I had a wonderful time producing this review with Scott and hope you enjoy it, too!
We sit down with Former BYU Professor, and author of the book “This Is My Doctrine: The Development of Mormon Theology”, Charley Harrell to dive into several important assumptions Mormonism and its leaders and members impose in order to cleanly define doctrine. But do these really hold up? Can the word Doctrine as used within the LDS Church be defined in such a way that any imposed definition can be dependable?
A.) What is Church doctrine?
“a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a Church, political party, or other group. ‘the doctrine of predestination’”
We should share briefly that LDS leaders have attempted to define doctrine in ways that expose that the word is fluid and simply doesn’t hold up to scrutiny or critical thinking.
What does this definition say about doctrines that were widely taught in prior times and no longer taught today?
Plural Marriage (MY EXPERIENCE IN HIGH PRIEST GROUP ABOUT DOCTRINE)
Reason for the priesthood ban
Lamanite identification
Does the fact that it has to be taught by everyone in the 1st presidency and Q12 impose an unreasonably high bar?
WASN’T THERE AT TIME NOT TOO LONG AGO WHEN DOCTRINE WAS ESTABLISHED FIRST BY WHETHER THE PROPHET SAID IT; THEN BY WHETHER IT WAS A FIRST PRESIDENCY STATEMENT; THEN (NOW) BY WHETHER ALL FIFTEEN AGREE? IT SEEMS THAT THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE FIRST PRESIDENCY AND QUORUM OF TWELVE HAVE ALL BUT DISAPPEARED AT LEAST WHEN IT COMES TO ESTABLISHING DOCTRINE
Does Elder Anderson’s doctrine of doctrine meet his own criteria of doctrine?
QUESTION: WHEN IS A PROPHET ACTING AS SUCH IF NOT WHEN HE IS ADDRESSING THE CHURCH IN HIS ROLE AS PROPHET? IT SHOULD REALLY BE VERY SIMPLE; NOT A GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD EVERY TIME A PROPHET SPEAKS AS A PROPHET AND GETS IT WRONG.
Audio = https://www.dropbox.com/s/q6ar0dwvdfq1iv8/DoctrineVsStatementsCristofferson.mp3?dl=0
The Church makes several claims about Mormon doctrines that together can be said to constitute the doctrine of LDS doctrine. But are these claims really warranted by empirical evidence?
B.) Claims vs Realities
THIS IS WHAT I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE IN THE WRITINGS OF BRM AND JFS; THAT DOCTRINE IS ESTABLISHED BY THE STANDARD WORKS; THAT IS WHY THEY ARE CALLED THE STANDARD WORKS; AND IF ANY LEADER TEACHES SOMETHING CONTRARY TO THE STANDARD WORKS, YOU CAN KNOW IT IS NOT CORRECT.
Reality: Doctrine doesn’t just jump out of the scriptures, it has to be interpreted by the reader. LDS doctrine, therefore, doesn’t actually “reside” in the scriptures, but in the Church’s interpretation of the scriptures. Further, since scripture is not univocal, one must pick and choose which passages to use. So in reality Mormon doctrine derives from a biased selection of scriptural fragments, often taken out of context, that are cobbled together to construct a doctrinal view.
Reality: Many doctrines have been shown to be in error, especially when disproven by science (age of the earth, of man, etc.) and therefore changed or even discarded.
Reality: There are many examples where prophets claimed to be speaking under the power of the HG, and yet their teachings were later rejected. (There are also many examples where members knew those doctrines were true through spiritual means and such has since been disavowed) Furthermore, what we deem to be spiritual promptings are suspect and inconsistent.
Reality: The doctrinal teachings of scripture are not consistent. Some passages speak of God as a spirit, others refer to him as having a body of flesh and bones. So to speak of any scriptural doctrine as though scripture is univocal is unsustainable. Example: Christ preaching to spirits in prison.
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.churchofjesuschrist.org%2Fstudy%2Fgeneral-conference%2F2001%2F10%2Fliving-in-the-fulness-of-times%3Flang%3Deng%26fbclid%3DIwAR0uarahrZrhOROjnQ9RInZBuVPRopqpfgomtIztFfINYbEQPMKafg_kuI4&h=AT2aY1Ss8bWLrHs9fzr7ohEfOayCfewGCUF2f_16RECYEGvNrKcrYMmVPV9MaCWLbi2w-i-5OzaGV9GkikfcgF3NJ4-QVpqPUH5acAtVkJL3qu7TJJP1hHMaMmmLpVH7bgyuWtDVg1fKzGbWbwk
a.) “Those who observe us say that we are moving into the mainstream of religion. We are not changing. The world’s perception of us is changing. We teach the same doctrine. We have the same organization.” – Gordon B. Hinckley
Reality: Many doctrines have changed over time. In fact, as shown in my book, there isn’t a single major doctrine of the Church that hasn’t changed with time, especially if we go back to biblical times.
Note: The fact that the Church defines Doctrine as eternal, unchanging truth makes one wonder if the Church has any doctrines at all, since virtually all of its doctrines have undergone change. Perhaps the Church should either use a different term or redefine what doctrine means.
Reality: There is no preordained path along which doctrine unfolds to a fullness of truth. Instead there were unforeseen twists and turns, zigs and zags, which could have led to radically different outcomes. It is only the particular random forces at play that caused each doctrine to turn out like it has so far.
Reality: The kinds of things that are being “restored” are all minor and pertain to procedural and organizational issues. There is little, if any, further light and knowledge on doctrinal matters.
In fact, on doctrinal matters, there has actually been a roll back, so that we know less now then we did before.
Notice that these are all doctrines that history, science and cultural pressures have caused the church to rethink. More and more, the answer to questions for which we used to have answers for is, “We don’t know” or “we don’t teach that.”
It was taught to us that having prophets meant we were continually receiving new truth which was added to what we have and the reality is that by having prophets we actually are reducing the number of things we are certain about and are pulling past doctrines off the truth cart. Hence by having prophets we know less and less compared to what we used to.
Reality: These claims don’t warrant the level of certainty that leaders often place on them and which lead members to blindly accept them without investigation. It isn’t that the Church makes so many claims about doctrine that is disturbing, but the certainty they place in these claims.
C.) Conclusion: The doctrine of LDS doctrine is a set of highly questionable truth claims that renders all other doctrines suspect.
Aleesha Franklin, daughter of Ponzi-scheme magnate Gaylen Rust, returns to Mormonism LIVE to share her personal story of how a catastrophic failure of Priesthood Leadership, both local and general, led to her disaffection from the LDS Church
RFM concludes his Biblical analysis of the perennial argument concerning the roles of grace and works in salvation. Mormon apologetics has never been this much fun!
This is a recording of an Institute Class taught by RFM at the University of Texas at Austin Institute Building in the spring semester of 1989.
I want to commemorate Fathers’ Day by playing some stories told by my father back in 2009 before his passing in 2011. And it’s not my fault if the majority of his stories seem to center around me.
I love you, Dad. I miss you. And I’m glad I got to have you for my father.
Happy Fathers’ Day, everyone!
What happens when a Patriarch gives a blessing with serious ramifications to LDS Church leadership? Quite a bit, as it turns out! Tune in and find out what happens in this amazing but true story of a patriarchal blessing gone amok!
RFM and Bill take a look at Patriarchal Blessings looking at what these are and what they are not and even take a look at multiple Patriarchal Blessings from the same patriarchs attempting to untangle inspiration from the rote and mundane.
RFM and Bill take a look at Patriarchal Blessings looking at what these are and what they are not and even take a look at multiple Patriarchal Blessings from the same patriarchs attempting to untangle inspiration from the rote and mundane.
OVERVIEW AND ELDRED G. SMITH
Patriarchal Blessings are to declare lineage, and then to give direction, counsel and promise predicated on worthiness.
Patriarchs in every stake now; but the Church Patriarch Office has been done away with.
Brief Clip from Eldred G. Smith in 1976 General Conference so we can remember what it used to be like when we had a Church Patriarch.
We will also be talking more about him later.
ELDRED G. SMITH (April Gen Con 1976—Who is Jesus?
Emeritus General Authority
(6 Oct 1979 – 4 Apr 2013)
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1976/04/who-is-jesus?lang=eng
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Eldred was a frequent speaker in general conference, and spoke about patriarchal blessings but only before 1971 when they started putting up the general conference talks at the church’s website.
At least this gives a sample of what he sounded like.
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It is revelation from God; all the promises will be fulfilled; it is personal scripture to the recipient.
YOUR PATRIARCHAL BLESSING: A LIAHONA OF LIGHT
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Who is this man, this patriarch, through whom such seership and priesthood power flow? How is he called? The Council of the Twelve Apostles has special responsibility pertaining to the calling of such men. From my own experience I testify that patriarchs are called of God by prophecy. How else could our Heavenly Father reveal those to whom such prophetic powers are to be given? A patriarch holds an ordained office in the Melchizedek Priesthood. The patriarchal office, however, is one of blessing—not of administration.
NOTE: WHY IS IT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APOSTLES TO CALL A PATRIARCH WHEN IT IS DETERMINED BY LINEAGE?
NOTE: WHY DOES PRESIDENT MONSON FEEL COMPELLED TO ADD THE LANGUAGE, THAT THE PATRIARCHAL OFFICE IS ONE OF BLESSING, “NOT ONE OF ADMINISTRATION”?
Gospel Topics Essay on Church Website under “Patriarchal Blessings”
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/patriarchal-blessings?lang=eng
Patriarchal blessings are sacred and personal. They may be shared with immediate family members, but should not be read aloud in public or read or interpreted by others. Not even the patriarch or bishop or branch president should interpret it.
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A patriarchal blessing is a revelation to the recipient, even a white line down the middle of the road, to protect, inspire, and motivate activity and righteousness. A patriarchal blessing literally contains chapters from your book of eternal possibilities. I say eternal, for just as life is eternal, so is a patriarchal blessing. What may not come to fulfillment in this life may occur in the next. We do not govern God’s timetable. “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts” (Isa. 55:8–9).
NOTE: WE ALREADY GET THE APOLOGETIC FOR WHEN PATRIARCHAL BLESSINGS DO NOT COME TO PASS.
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Your patriarchal blessing is yours and yours alone. It may be brief or lengthy, simple or profound. Length and language do not a patriarchal blessing make. It is the Spirit that conveys the true meaning. Your blessing is not to be folded neatly and tucked away. It is not to be framed or published. Rather, it is to be read. It is to be loved. It is to be followed. Your patriarchal blessing will see you through the darkest night. It will guide you through life’s dangers. (NOTE: ORIGINAL SAYS “IT WILL PROTECT YOU.”) Unlike the struggling bomber of yesteryear, lost in the desert wastes, the sands and storms of life will not destroy you on your eternal flight. Your patriarchal blessing is to you a personal Liahona to chart your course and guide your way.
NOTE: QUESTION ABOUT LENGTH OF PATRIARCHAL BLESSING OBLIQUELY ANSWERED; BECAUSE OF THE IDEA THAT A LONGER BLESSING IS A BETTER BLESSING.
Digest of the minutes of the meeting of the patriarchs of the church with the General Authorities
held in Barratt Hall, Salt Lake City, Utah, Saturday, October 11, 1958, at 8:00 A.M.
From Later Patriarchal Blessings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, pgs 559-563.
Compiled by H. Michael Marquardt, published by The Smith-Pettit Foundation, Salt Lake City, 2012
http://www.fullerconsideration.com/PatriarchalBlessingRevelator/patriarchmeeting1958.php
Joseph Fielding Smith speaking
Now here is a problem which to me is serious. A patriarch gave a blessing to an individual who had Negro blood in his veins and said you are of the House of Israel and entitled to all the blessings of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. A Negro cannot hold the priesthood and not holding the priesthood they cannot, until the Lord removes the restriction, enter into the exaltation of the kingdom of God and that would not entitle them to all of the blessings of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. That is a very serious matter and we should be extremely careful to know the Lord is speaking to us because Negroes cannot receive the fullness. A Negro may come into the Church and we can do more for him than any other church on the face of the earth. If he is baptized and is faithful and true, he can enter the celestial kingdom, but he does not get exaltation, but as I understand it, the Lord will, in due time, remove the restrictions. Not in this world but the time will come, if the Negro receives the gospel and is true to the end, he may go to the celestial kingdom and when the right time comes the restrictions will be removed and he may receive all of the blessings. Now the reason as stated by President Brigham Young and some of the other brethren that the Negro cannot receive the priesthood is two fold. One is their own fault because of their attitude in the spirit world. They were not valiant for some cause which the Lord does not explain, and they were barred from receiving the priesthood but they were not barred from birth into this world, and were not denied the right to have a body. If he is faithful in his second estate, the time will come when these restrictions will be removed.
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Elder Faust says that if not fulfilled in this life, will be fulfilled in the next
THEN gives example of his father’s patriarchal blessing that said he would be blessed with “many beautiful daughters,” but had five sons.
Moral—Even when the blessing doesn’t come to pass, it comes to pass.
Heads I win, tails you lose.
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LINEAGE
Apologetic for why it is people in same family are of different tribes.
Digest of the minutes of the meeting of the patriarchs of the church with the General Authorities
held in Barratt Hall, Salt Lake City, Utah, Saturday, October 11, 1958, at 8:00 A.M.
From Later Patriarchal Blessings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, pgs 559-563.
Compiled by H. Michael Marquardt, published by The Smith-Pettit Foundation, Salt Lake City, 2012
http://www.fullerconsideration.com/PatriarchalBlessingRevelator/patriarchmeeting1958.php
You would do well, since you have no counselors, if you took two or three of your blessings occasionally to your stake president and say, “Would you kindly glance over these blessings to see if you have any suggestions for me.” Sometimes we get in ruts. Sometimes when we give so many blessings, we use the same phraseology over and over until it has little meaning. Each blessing is individual; each person only receives one blessing in their lifetime; therefore you don’t give them routine. Every blessing is very special to that individual.
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He goes over the main failsafes to patriarchal blessings; that just because a blessing isn’t stated, it doesn’t mean it won’t happen; and if a promise is stated, it doesn’t mean it will happen.
Talk about a rigged system!
“Unknown to me . . .” this from a patriarch! LOL!
Heads I win. Tails you lose.
Tonight I am joined by my good friend Scott, the host of Rameumpton Ruminations, to review the Hulu series, “Under the Banner of Heaven.”
RFM and RR–Putting the fun back into fundamentalism!
Bill & RFM take a look at Mormonism’s Holy Garments. We look at the history, doctrine, and disavowed theories and spiritual speculation around them. Are they a magical spiritual protection? Were they allowed to have their design changed? Must they be worn all day every day? What super secret sacred details will Bill and RFM uncover?
RFM sits down with John Dehlin of Mormon Stories to discuss how RFM graduated from Mormonism after spending forty-years as a member.
RFM & Bill take a look at Affinity Fraud in Utah and that which seems to have a root in taking advantage of unhealthy boundaries of trust within Mormonism. Affinity Fraud is a type of investment fraud in which a con artist targets members of an identifiable group based on things such as race, age, religion, etc. The fraudster either is or pretends to be, a member of the group. Often the fraudster promotes a Ponzi or pyramid scheme. Mormons are taught to trust their leaders, those who have a bright countenance, those with the Priesthood, Those who seem to be successful at Church or in business, and Mormons over non-Mormons. These often have members of the Church being particularly vulnerable to such rackets
In July of 2000, on the sixteenth anniversary of the double-murders of Brenda and Erica Lafferty, Utah radio host Tom Barberi arranged an interview with Dan Lafferty who was, and continues to be, serving a life-sentence in prison.
Dan Lafferty relates in horrific detail the events leading up to the murders, as well as the murders themselves.
*TRIGGER WARNING*–Due to the graphic nature of the events covered in the interview, this podcast is not suitable for all audiences.
Bill and RFM review a handful of clips from LDS Apologist, Jared Halverson. The discussion revolves around the games apologists play. These often include creating a framework and solutions to problems that to the believer seem tenable but when closely examined often hinge on fallacies or irrational thinking. The Apologist sees creating plausibility as a win. But such ideas and frameworks for thinking are often full of holes and less than the most rational answer.
RESOURCES:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY9_bN7EFOc
RFM gets interviewed by Steven Pynnaker of Mormon Book Reviews. Steve is an Evangelical Christian and a scholar of all things Mormon, to boot! Both Steve and RFM touch on a number of interesting subjects in this two-hour interview.
Mormon Scholar Dan Vogel comes on the show once more to discuss last week’s episode of Mormonism LIVE as well as to discuss other new insights surrounding the Book of Abraham that seem to close the door on the “Missing Scroll Theory” and the Catalyst Theory”.
I am often asked the question, “Why is it that some Mormons will avoid negative information about the LDS Church at all costs, while other Mormons will research the negative information regardless of where it may lead?”
This is the very issue dealt with in “Under the Banner of Heaven” as well as in the most famous Greek Tragedy of them all! RFM explores both in order to shed light on what motivates these two types of Mormons, and comes to some surprising conclusions!
Bill and RFM tell the story of the Kinderhook Plates episode in Mormon history in Mormonism Live fashion. From original Documents to Conspiracy Theories to a honest transparent conversation around the facts. We discuss the history, the tests done to attempt to discern their dating and method of inscription, the Church’s commentary around them, and even their connection to the Book of Abraham. You won’t want to miss this!
A. The setup for the Kinderhook dig
B.) Joseph hears reports (likely the mormon in the dig) and requests to see the plates
C.) Joseph attempts some sort of translation
D.) What the Church and community had to say about the Kinderhook Moment
1.) “Why does the circumstance of the plates recently found in a mound in Pike County, Ill., by Mr. Wiley, together with the ethnology and a thousand other things, go to prove the Book of Mormon true? – Ans. [Answer] Because it is true!” – Times and Seasons, v. 5, p. 406
2.) “The new work which Jo. Is about to issue as a translation of these [Kinderhook] plates will be nothing more nor less than a sequel to the Book of Mormon…” – Warsaw Signal, May 22, 1844
3.) “The contents of the plates, together with a Facsimile of the same, will be published in the ‘Times and Seasons,’ as soon as the translation is completed.” – The Nauvoo Neighbor, June 1843
Sadly the translation portion of the story ends there. Had JS finished this project it would have been as strong an evidence as any that he was a fraud. But he gets a sentence or two in and stops….. For some strange reason. But the story itself still has some telling to be told
E.) The moment the accusation of a scam is suggested
F.) Church complicates matters by altering the historical record and withholding records back
G.) A Kinderhook plate surfaces
H.) The Plate is finally allowed to be tested
I.) The Fallout
J.) Replica
K.) Don Bradley and Mark Ashurst McGee and the BOA GAEL (We can Stop blaming William Clayton)
L.) Reasons for not Translating them
At the End of the Show Don Bradley calls in and seems dumbfounded when asked to reconcile the problem after RFM and Bill decimate the two strongest theories that reconcile the BOA from a faithful perspective. and the Graphic below is the key piece to the catastrophic end of the Catalyst Theory as they demonstrate Joseph Smith’s reliance on a symbol in the Papyrus of Amenhotep which is the “Mouth” Symbol used in both the brief partial Kinderhook Translation as well as the Grammar and Alphabet of Egyptian Language AKA the GAEL connected to the Book of Abraham Sheet from the Papyrus of Amenhotepca. 1427–1390 B.C.
RESOURCES:
http://www.rickgrunder.com/VanNorman/Kinderhook%20Broadside/kinderhook.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinderhook_plates
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/kinderhook-plates?lang=eng
https://mormonstories.org/truth-claims/the-books/kinderhook-plates/ https://rsc.byu.edu/no-weapon-shall-prosper/did-joseph-smith-translate-kinderhook-plates
https://knowhy.bookofmormoncentral.org/knowhy/what-do-the-kinderhook-plates-reveal-about-joseph-smiths-gift-of-translation
http://www.mormonthink.com/kinderhookweb.htm https://coldcasechristianity.com/writings/what-do-the-kinderhook-plates-reveal-about-joseph-smith/
https://archive.org/details/mss78theoschroederapril8th1878/mode/2up
https://archive.org/details/improvementera6509unse/page/n21/mode/2up
https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/05/Report-of-Phys-Study-of-KH-Plate-5.pdf
https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/e29df3b1-91f1-46f7-8882-a3b79e4f3662/0/0
https://cesletter.org/debunking-fairmormon/kinderhook-plates.html
RFM gives a live presentation in American Fork, Utah. The subject is how Mormonism went from being a highly unorthodox religious sect to a worldwide religion with its own established orthodoxy. Through this understanding we can gain insight on how this affects our personal relationship with Mormonism, whether past, present or future.
RFM and Bill sit down with Sandra Tanner, a well known writer and researcher, on the critical side of Mormonism. We sit down with Sandra to discuss her impact within Mormonism and to touch on a few stories that viewers may find interesting.
In this week’s episode, Bill and RFM take a look at instances in Mormon History where LDS Leadership seem to be giving a stamp of approval to Leaders and Members to be dishonest, to lie, and to deceive. Once we understand the instruction and permissions given to be dishonest we can going forward see their deceptions and dishonesty within greater context.
RESOURCES:
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-31-honesty?lang=eng
http://www.mormonthink.com/files/lying-for-lord-ken-clark.pdf
http://www.mormonthink.com/lying.htm
http://packham.n4m.org/lying.htm
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lying%20for%20the%20lord
https://digitalcommons.law.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1014&context=clarkmemorandum#page=15
http://www.mormonismi.net/pdf/lying_for_the_lord.pdf
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1986/01/truth-and-more?lang=eng
https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/issues/V31N03.pdf
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1983/01/the-candle-of-the-lord?lang=eng
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-31-honesty?lang=eng
We sit down with American anthropologist and Author, Thomas Murphy to discuss the Book of Mormon within the context of Native American History. We explore the legends and history of the indigenous people to see if there are connections there that help us examine the historicity of the Book of Mormon and the claims of Mormonism surrounding its imposition of Lamanites
Did the original Christians expect Jesus to be crucified for the sins of the world? Or did they expect something else? Something very different? And if so, how did Jesus become the Savior worshipped by Christians today? These and other fascinating questions are explored in depth by RFM in this episode.
Bill and RFM dive into the apocryphal book of Judith and point out the many similarities between that apocryphal story and the Book of Mormon’s story about Nephi and his encounter and eventual beheading of Laban.
RESOURCES:
debunking-cesletter.com/book-of-mormon-1/view-of-the-hebrews-joseph-smith-sr-dream/
https://i.redd.it/uckai9n1qyn81.jpg
https://www.ksl.com/article/11790001/joseph-smith-family-bible-goes-on-sale
https://i.redd.it/71fpzs9h69x01.png
I went to the Saturday evening session of Stake Conference April 9th. So many of you wanted to know why I went and what happened, I decided to do a podcast about it!
RFM is back to his old tricks, breaking down and analyzing General Conference as only he can!
RFM and Bill sit down once again with Dan Vogel and Brent Metcalfe to examine the problems with the Book of Abraham as a translation of an ancient document in a sacred text for Mormonism generally and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints specifically. Dan and Brent share their scholarship and help us grasp some of the messiness around this issue.
Bill Reel and RFM will dive into Mormon Gaslighting. They will discuss the psychology of gaslighting, discuss its origin, and then delve into a handful of examples among the hundreds that could be explored and conclude discussing the harm that comes to the one being gaslit.
RESOURCES:
https://mormonismlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Gaslighting-Examples.pdf
Movie Gaslight – https://youtu.be/UYmtzaHwCKo?t=828
Elder Ballard not knowing where Baptism invitations after the first discussion came from – https://www.thechurchnews.com/leaders-and-ministry/2019-06-26/president-ballard-said-missionaries-shouldnt-invite-people-to-be-baptized-without-feeling-the-spirit-heres-why-701
Where Baptism invitations after the first discussion came from – https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/content/shared/content/english/pdf/language-materials/36617_eng.pdf
Mormons not getting their own planet – https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fnews-ca.churchofjesuschrist.org%2Farticle%2Fmormonism-101-faq%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0V8Q2Ti4xp1oUJ5-xDnOrGE5oBxaP43_fLetCr31Z1Qc5n3Rhm0KlDuds&h=AT3P_IMMUNCvo18LtNAbs3zw8i7Y2LAgJk_b9y80Mw8AyOhEtDsWgZYsVoDVIM1CKJYoiKjPq3FWgcb1yhFOokdzL3D9Nh2brA5WfewMZSXAHX4UFB4loc4s4ob1hdz4XO0
Mormons getting their own planet – https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/broadcasts/article/christmas-devotional/2018/12/four-gifts-that-jesus-christ-offers-to-you?lang=eng
Mormons getting their own planet – https://youtu.be/sd52qp2mxC8?t=941
Mormons getting their own planet – https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/content/shared/content/english/pdf/language-materials/31129_eng.pdf
Ronald Poelman 1984 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qIr30dtCvo
Mormonism has never been racist – https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2000/09/no-more-strangers?lang=eng
Mormonism’s Racism – https://www.mormonstories.org/other/Lowry_Nelson_1st_Presidency_Exchange.pdf
Mormonism’s Racism – https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Mormonism_and_racial_issues/Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Statements#1949
Mormonism’s Racism – https://missedinsunday.com/memes/race/pure-blood/
Mormonism’s Racism – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people_and_Mormonism
Elder Oaks laughing about hiding the 1832 account and Elder Ballard saying we never hid anything – https://youtu.be/Uj2VWhuW50w?t=2849
Weird Alma Song Gaslighting – https://weirdalma.bandcamp.com/track/gaslighting
Spencer Kimball Gaslighting about Adam-God Doctrine – https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Mormonism_and_doctrine/Repudiated_concepts/Adam-God_theory?fbclid=IwAR2v60FTK6jT1Imxro1VKvhPXOx8e2HXftteH2t5iOlk2_TkRbxaxTrbFCE
Bruce R McConkie Gaslighting regarding Adam-God – https://faenrandir.github.io/a_careful_examination/bruce-r-mcconkie-misled-on-adam-god/
Tonight I do a deep dive on how the LDS Church has misled its members to believe that top church leaders are not paid. Then we go into the January 2017 leak that blew the lid off this myth to the tune of six-figure base salaries for General Authorities.
The amazing thing is that, in spite of being exposed in front of the entire world, the LDS Church continues to peddle the story that there is no paid ministry!
That’s why I call this episode, “The Mormon Myth that Wouldn’t Die”!
Buckle your seatbelts! It’s going to be a bumpy night!
RFM and Bill Reel sit down with special guests to discuss what The LDS Church looks like in Africa and how its membership upon this continent is affected uniquely.
I was recently asked to do an AMA (Ask Me Anything) on Mormon Reddit. Lots of great questions were asked and I did my best to answer in the limited amount of time I had!
This episode is the audio version of the AMA, and includes some answers to questions that came in after the AMA was over!
TikToker under name “nuancehoe”. In our conversation we delve into Prophets, Evolution, the argument against there being free will, and if time we hope to delve into dogma as debated by Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson
Resources:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u45SP7Xv_oU
RFM and Bill sit down with David Bokovoy and with a title like that, who knows where the conversation might go………… David Bokovoy holds a PhD in Hebrew Bible and the Ancient Near East and an MA in Near Eastern and Judaic Studies both from Brandeis University. He received his BA from Brigham Young University, majoring in History and minoring in Near Eastern Studies. In addition to his work in Mormon studies, David has published articles on the Hebrew Bible in a variety of academic venues including the Journal of Biblical Literature, Vetus Testamentum, Studies in the Bible and Antiquity, and theFARMS
RFM and Bill sit down with David Bokovoy and with a title like that, who knows where the conversation might go………… David Bokovoy holds a PhD in Hebrew Bible and the Ancient Near East and an MA in Near Eastern and Judaic Studies both from Brandeis University. He received his BA from Brigham Young University, majoring in History and minoring in Near Eastern Studies. In addition to his work in Mormon studies, David has published articles on the Hebrew Bible in a variety of academic venues including the Journal of Biblical Literature, Vetus Testamentum, Studies in the Bible and Antiquity, and theFARMS Review. He is the co-author of the book Testaments: Links Between the Book of Mormon and the Hebrew Bible.
RESOURCES:
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26089486
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.02955/full
https://theconversation.com/homosexuality-may-have-evolved-for-social-not-sexual-reasons-128123
This is an episode of Rameumptom Ruminations where Radio Free Mormon is interviewed.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has a track record of promoting lawyers among the ranks of the general authorities. In this very special episode, Scott brings in our resident ex-Mormon lawyer Radio Free Mormon into the Rameumptom Studio to chat about the overlap between his professional life and Mormonism.
RFM talks about his background in law from over thirty-years of practice, and applies those principles to the LDS Church. By the end, we start to get a good idea why it is the LDS Church seems to like to call lawyers to positions of leadership–especially over the Church Historian’s Office!
What happens when rather than get in close to the sticky issues of Mormonism you step back? In fact step back so far as to see the 30,000 foot view and look at what Mormonism has standing in the way of its truth claims. And how such speaks to just how reasonable and rational it is to release one’s belief in the faith and to step away having allowed oneself to be a rational logical critical thinking human being.
What happens when rather than get in close to the sticky issues of Mormonism you step back? In fact step back so far as to see the 30,000 foot view and look at what Mormonism has standing in the way of its truth claims. And how such speaks to just how reasonable and rational it is to release one’s belief in the faith and to step away having allowed oneself to be a rational logical critical thinking human being.
BONUS ROUND (Not Covered In Episode)
I was recently interviewed by the host of Priesthood Dispatches, a new podcast from one of my friends across the pond! I had a great time doing this interview and I hope you will enjoy listening to it!
Mormonism LIVE: 064: The Role of Women In The Church RFM and Bill dive into the issue of Women in the Church and their role. What does the Church want women to think and believe and what does the system of Mormonism actually tell Women about their place within the Church? We have a guest on Nicole, who along with Maven share their personal journey navigating the hurtful and unhealthy sexist messaging of the LDS Church.
RFM deconstructs the Brad Wilcox Fireside as no one else can! Strap on your seatbelts! It’s going to be a bumpy night!
The earliest account of the First Vision poses some conflict within Mormon Truth Claims about what Joseph Smith experienced and what was invented about the Founding event in Mormonism. If there is no First Vision, there is significant reason to believe the rest of Mormonism is on shaky ground. So how do apologists deal with the 1832 account of that First Vision and what does logic and common sense say about that.
RESOURCES:
https://www.ldsliving.com/a-closer-look-at-critiques-of-joseph-smiths-first-vision/s/92128
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-circa-summer-1832/1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ooewni4lmhdul9m/Rod%20Decker-Vogel-Peterson-2004.wmv?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tooif2mz619x5h2/Brad%20Wilcox%201st%20Vision.mp4?dl=0
RFM has saved the best for last in this third and final installment of his landmark series on Magic and Mormonism.
Turns out all those hours of practicing magic as a kid weren’t a complete waste of time after all!
BYU has a history of manipulating & pressuring its educators into consistently stopping short of teaching modern best accepted ideas and research. While it claims to be a university that values education what it really does it limit the critical thinking skills and works to prevent its students from having access to the best information. We start by discussing the modern moment where BYU has changed its policy around the worthiness of BYU and CES Educators to control what is taught in the classroom and then we dive deep into the past to show the more things change the more they stay the same. And lastly we demonstrate that agency really is a value that The Church’s mouth writes but their actions just aren’t cashing.
A.) BYU’s (All of CES) New policy for its staff (Notice the Church speaks officially for BYU as it is one and the same)
B.) Which led me to wanting to share with you The 1911 Brigham Young University modernity controversy
Conclusion: The Salt Lake Tribunes many as 80 percent of the faculty sympathized with the Petersons and Chamberlin. When Joseph F. Smith was told that “a number of [Provo] merchants and others favoring the … teachers had withdrawn their patronage from the [White and Blue],” he “spoke up immediately and said that the First Presidency wanted no change in the paper’s policy and … [said] he would instruct [Zion’s Savings Bank] to keep the paper out of financial difficulties.” Smith also admonished his son, Andrew, a student at the high school adjoining BYU: “For my sake, my son, as well as your own[,] eschew the Petersons’ and Chamberlin’s evolution and all such things.” On 13 March over 100 undergraduates assembled on campus in a mass rally to “stand by their teachers.” The students distributed a petition “ratifying and endorsing the teaching of the professors, and praying for their retention by the Board of Trustees.” Of a total college enrollment of 114 undergraduates, as well as a handful of professors, over 90 students and faculty signed the statement, which both the Tribune and the Herald-Republican printed. Predictably, the Deseret News chastised the students for airing their criticisms in print, especially in the Tribune, while Brimhall publicly scolded them for “dictating” to the “prophets.”
Brimhall discussing the issue with Reed Smoot – Throughout the following weeks, Brimhall was left to deal as best he could with dissatisfied faculty and students. In mid-May, he wrote again to Smoot, “I would be in perfect misery if I were not in harmony with those over me—I can stand it to be out of harmony with others. My policy has been to follow the interests of our faculty and also follow the interests of the student body, [but] I cannot be expected to follow either of the latter unless they are in perfect harmony with those above me.” Smoot replied supportively, “If the time ever comes that it is impossible for me to be in harmony with my presiding officer, I will quickly resign, if it involves any great principle affecting my conscience or my religious beliefs.”
Joseph Keeler (a counselor to Brimhall in the BYU presidency) later asked, “Brother Chamberlin, why can’t you teach this subject the way we want it taught, [instead of] the way you’re teaching it?” Chamberlin replied, “I’m so constituted that I can’t teach what I don’t believe.”
Following the controversy, many faculty and students were reluctant to discuss some “matters of scientific and sociological value [p.36]for fear of losing their positions and receiving the boycott of the church.” Others began asking if there were “any [other] doctrines of the church which [were] inconsistent with the commonly accepted conclusions of science.” School trustees approved a new teaching contract in October 1911 which required loyalty to church authorities as a condition of employment.
Back to current moment
The Voluntary adoption of the new policy
“https://catalog.byu.edu/about-byu/administration – Who is at the head of BYU (They are one and the SAME
RESOURCES:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1911_Brigham_Young_University_modernism_controversy
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/1af8pt/in_1911_a_professor_was_fired_from_byu_for/
https://josephsmithfoundation.org/faqs/science/13-3-byu-professors-why-did-president-joseph-f-smith-dismiss-three-professors-from-brigham-young-university-for-teaching-organic-evolution/
https://www.aaup.org/NR/rdonlyres/A6520A9D-0A9A-47B3-B550-C006B5B224E7/0/1915Declaration.pdf
https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/george-h-brimhalls-legacy-of-service-to-brigham-young-university/
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Salt_Lake_Tribune/B._Y._U._Students_Destroy_Reply_of_the_Presidency_and_Make_Public_the_Protest_They_Formulated
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/09/07/can-unique-byu-really-be/
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2016/12/cyclical-nature-byus-religious-education/
https://byu.us8.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2ba3f012bcd865407204981a0&id=b74a02af7a&e=f9fae89146
https://hrs.byu.edu/byu-employment-standard
https://hrs.byu.edu/byu-employment-standard
https://news.byu.edu/announcements/a-message-from-president-worthen
http://signaturebookslibrary.org/the-1911-evolution-controversy-at-brigham-young-university/
https://web.archive.org/web/20181013203310/https://www.sunstonemagazine.com/pdf/013-10-16.pdf
https://biology.byu.edu/00000172-29e6-d079-ab7e-69efe5890000/byu-evolution-packet
https://catalog.byu.edu/about-byu/administration
Church Board of Education and Board of Trustees
President Russell M. Nelson Chairman
President Dallin H. Oaks First Vice Chairman
President Henry B. Eyring Second Vice Chairman
Elder Jeffrey R. Holland Board Member
Elder D. Todd Christofferson Board Member
Elder Paul V. Johnson Board Member
Elder Michael T. Ringwood Board Member
Bishop Gérald Caussé Board Member
Sister Jean B. Bingham Board Member
Sister Bonnie H. Cordon Board Member
Brother Steven J. Lund Board Member
R. Kelly Haws Secretary
Radio Free Mormon continues his exploration of how an understanding of basic principles of stage magic helps illuminate various aspects of early Church history!
RFM and Bill Reel sit down with Dan Vogel and Brent Metcalfe on this week’s episode of Mormonism LIVE ! And you aren’t going to believe the stories these two have.
RFM uses his background in stage magic to illuminate different aspects of Mormonism and Church History!
Tonight’s episode delves into the recent addition to Mormonism LIVE, Maven. Maven recently joined RFM and Bill Reel as the show manager. She does all the dirty work and increases the shows production value and from time to time she adds a powerful informed female voice to the show. Up until now she has remained anonymous and tonight Maven will be for the first time stepping out of anonymity and introduce herself to the audience helping them better get to know her.
This is the audio of the presentation I gave in St. George at the invitation of the Southern Utah Post-Mormon Support Group on January 9, 2022.
It goes not only into a paper I had published in BYU-Studies, but also into how that paper developed over the course of about two decades, and the two unpublished papers that led up to it!
As strange as this story is, it is a story I have long wanted to tell! And here it is! Make of it what you will!
RFM analyzes an often overlooked theme in “A Christmas Carol” where Dickens plays with the idea of time.
Then we turn to the LDS temple endowment where something similar occurs!
It is a fun ride and a good time is guaranteed to all!
Mormonism LIVE: 058: Mormon Apologist Skullduggery – The Mystery of the Second Watson Letter Playing off of last week’s “Two Hills Cumorah” episode we investigate the claim of a “2nd Watson letter”. What we find is not only more apologist obfuscations but perhaps one of the biggest underhanded maneuvers LDS apologists have ever pulled off.
RFM and Bill Reel tackle the two Hills Cumorah theory. The explain how Cumorah fits within our scriptures, show us how it was understood and taught all through early Church history and when in the modern times it changed and how that course adjustment has the Church approaching it today. To the believers who always wished for these things to be simple and faithful, eat your heartlander out !
IMAGES FOR SHOW
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/media/collection/bmvl-moroni-10-images?lang=eng OPENING: Heartlanders digging for Evidence (Don’t want to spend valuable time here. Just show and explain it led me to create this episode)
A.) What the Scriptures Tell us about Cumorah
B.) What early Church Leaders and Official sources said about The Hill Cumorah in New York
C. Something Changed
D.) The Church in the present modern moment
RFM and Bill sit down with a former BYU Professor to discuss the experience of losing your faith while working for the Lord’s University.
RESOURCES:
https://www.louisakillian.com/
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpUN29orJmM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg36L1989Ss&t
mylifebygogogoff.com/2020/08/how-a-new-instagram-page-is-exposing-apostate-byu-professors.html
Bill Reel and RFM take a look at the Historical Jesus and hit on the main points that Biblical criticism brings into focus and once they are done, your Christmases may never be the same.
Jesus son of Mary – Illegitimate birth. Mark infers. The early church theologian Origen (d. 251 CE) has a polemical tract in which he writes an apologetic for Jesus’ virgin birth against Celsus, a pagan skeptic of Christianity (around 178 CE). Celsus was a proponent of the idea that the virgin birth story was a fiction invented by Jesus, when the truth was (as he apparently believed) Jesus was the biological product of his mother and a Roman soldier named Pantera. Also Virgin births were a common trope and polemic device in ancient mythology.
More on the nativity – Daniel McClellan https://www.tiktok.com/@maklelan/video/7037685245172256046?lang=en&is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1 Traditional Account of the nativity – Daniel McClellan Scripture Translation Supervisor for the LDS Church, PhD in theology and religionhttps://www.tiktok.com/@maklelan/video/7040144974750731566?lang=en&is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1 Inconsistencies in the narrative – Matthew and Luke, the only Christian gospels which give us the virgin birth story, contain problematic details-both internally and in comparison to each other. For example, it’s been pointed out often that Luke’s dating of the census (while Quirinius was governor of Syria) in Luke is problematic. There are also difficulties when the accounts are compared to each other. The two genealogies don’t exactly reinforce each other and there are a number of striking differences when compared alongside each other–in particular the migration to Egypt in Matthew (2:13-14) which is completely absent from Luke. In Luke’s account, Mary and Joseph take Jesus home immediately to Nazareth (2:39-40), with no reference to a flight to Egypt or a conflict with Herod. Live in Bethlehem? – According to the Matthean infancy narrative, Joseph and Mary are natives to Bethlehem! They live in their house there! Houses would be part of patriarchal compounds with as many as 50 to 100 people. There is no Lukan manger mentioned, and definitely no stables! The author “Matthew” expects his audience to understand this, being that he writes for people equipped with culturally-appropriate auxiliary background information. We Western Christians, reading with spurious familiarity, are blind to this. Did the Holy Family go from Bethlehem to Jerusalem and then straight back to Nazareth, as “Luke” tells us? Or did they reside in Bethlehem, give birth to Jesus there, live about two years there until the magi come, then flee to Egypt, then some years after go to a place they’ve never been to before and take up residence there, as “Matthew” says? (No need to read the following but in case someone asks why 2 years – Notably, the magi visit Jesus in a house (not an inn or stable) and their visit is as late as two years after the birth. Matthew 2:16 records King Herod’s orders to kill baby boys up to the age of two based on the report about Jesus’s age from the magi. This delay is why most Christian churches celebrate the visit of the magi on “Epiphany” or January 6) the slaughter of the innocents – given that Bethlehem probably had fewer than 1,000 residents, it’s possible the slaughter of the innocents involved just three or four babies, Witherington said. “We’re not talking about streets lined with dead babies,” Witherington told Live Science. In a world full of brutality and violence, it’s not clear the death of a few no-name babies in a sleepy village would have made the history books. Erroneous History about a Census – A similar situation exists with the Lukan census of the whole world when Quirinius was governor of Syria (Luke 2:1–2). This census was presumably made when Herod the Great reigned over Judea (1:5), and who was alive when Jesus was born and for some time after. Copious records exist from the time of Caesar Augustus’ reign (27 BCE—14 CE). These records describe many events during that reign, particularly the most important. None of them mention anything about a worldwide census. And consider how “Luke” describes this census: people must return to the home of their ancestors. Consider what the Empire would look like in order to accomplish that—throngs of millions migrating all over for the census. And yet all historical records remain silent on it? In his own history, Augustus himself fails to mention this achievement! That’s simply not credible.
RESOURCES: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/messyinspirations/2019/12/history-discrepancies-jesus-birth/ https://www.patheos.com/blogs/unsystematictheology/2016/03/six-problems-with-the-virgin-birth-biblical-and-historical-perspective/
https://theconversation.com/what-history-really-tells-us-about-the-birth-of-jesus-89444
http://www.paulonpaul.org/jesus/narr_2_birth.htm
https://www.livescience.com/49228-nativity-story-facts-history.html https://tabletalkmagazine.com/posts/the-controversial-birth-of-jesus/ https://www.patheos.com/blogs/messyinspirations/2019/12/different-jesus-birth-stories/
RFM & Bill Reel explore Missions and how an LDS Mission can contain some strange experiences and difficulty. They accomplish this by sitting down with with someone who had just that sort of Mission.
I was recently honored to be asked to give a presentation before the Mormonism and Western Esotericism Group. My address on the subject of Ancient Hebrew Numerology in the Book of Mormon was warmly received, and we had a wonderful time talking about it and related subjects during the second half of the evening.
I want to thank Professor Trevor Luke of Florida State University for his gracious invitation to make this presentation, and all the scholars associated with the MWE for their graciousness in listening to what I had to say, and especially for their fabulous insights into the subject!
Mormonism LIVE: 053: One Year Anniversary RFM and Bill Reel kick of the second year of Mormonism LIVE with a look back of the past 52 weeks since Mormonism Live’s inception. We look at the favorite episodes of both us and the viewers. We look back at any funny moments, and wonder where the next 52 episodes might take us
Wednesday Nov. 24th, RFM and Bill sat down with Denver Snuffer and discuss his life and the happenings around the Christian fellowships of “the Remnants” movement. Denver Snuffer is an author of Restorationist devotional books, a lecturer, a speculative theologian, and a revelator to fellowships of the remnants movement, a spiritual movement in schism with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church). The movement has a few thousand adherents, many of them members or former members of the LDS Church. He was excommunicated by the LDS Church in 2013 for refusing to cease publication of his 2011 book, Passing the Heavenly Gift which challenges many points of LDS orthodoxy. He subsequently has been identified as a prophet by many, and several of his teachings have been canonized as scripture.
RESOURCES:
https://kutv.com/news/local/lds-church-holds-special-meeting-to-denounce-false-prophet
http://ldspioneerarchitecture.blogspot.com/2016/02/architecture-highlights-prayer-circle.html
Preparing on a short week with our focus on Thrive & the Midnight Mormon’s Debate with RFM has us selecting an interesting topic that is light and fun. So Wednesday November 17th RFM and Bill Reel dive into the old folklore surrounding Bigfoot being none other than Cain. The origination story, and how Prophets, Seer’s, and Revelators have turned a strange story into some sort of pseudo doctrine, How FairMormon really screwed the pooch, and how Mormonism’s and Sasquatch’s narratives intertwine in other strange places you may not have seen coming.
RESOURCES:
Question: Does Cain still roam the earth, and does this account for stories about “Bigfoot”? – FAIR https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Question:_Does_Cain_still_roam_the_earth,_and_does_this_account_for_stories_about_%22Bigfoot%22%3F
Mormon theory of Bigfoot traces monster to Garden of Eden
https://www.syracuse.com/strangecny/2008/02/morman_theory_of_bigfoot_trace.html
Poems 476–507 – Eliza R. Snow Lexicon https://erslexicon.wordpress.com/poems-476-507/
https://archive.org/details/lifeofdavidwpatt00wilsrich/page/44/mode/2up
https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/45228364.pdf http://www.boap.org/LDS/Early-Saints/DPatten.html (nothing about Cain)
https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/c7b775e0-ef6c-4ebe-b205-f159d8f4cdd7/0/1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d5811ffxhgbph5v/MS_603-David_W_Patten_journal-ORIGINAL.pdf?dl=0 (Nothing about Cain)
RFM and Bill Reel start with a conversation with a relatively recent legal action that completes the Apostolic Coup D’etat and does it with a coup de grâce. After which we discuss the upcoming trip to THRIVE this weekend and the debate on Saturday November 13th between RFM and Midnight Mormons
RESOURCES:
https://mormonismlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Amended-Articles-Filed-6-19-19.pdf
https://mormonismlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Articles-of-Merger-Filed-11-18-2020.pdf
https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/0122898D:US
https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ut/555534-0145
http://www.mormonism101.com/2015/01/the-corporate-structure-of-mormon-church.html
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6DaOukG1cM&t
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxaLKprguvo&t
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxaLKprguvo&t
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We sit down with author and Illustrator of the book “The Glass Looker”, Mark Elwood and discuss how he incorporated Joseph Smith’s Treasure Digging into a beautiful animated book. We discuss how he decided what to include and what impact he hopes this book has
RESOURCES:
How the Project Came Together – https://theglasslooker.com/behind-the-scenes/
Order the Book – https://theglasslooker.com/product/volume1/
Radio Free Mormon & Jonathan Streeter (Filling in for Bill Reel) deliver a special Halloween Episode fielding live phone calls where listeners can share their spooky tales.
WARNING: We will be dealing with the sensitive topic of Self Harm. If you have self harm ideation and are triggered by discussion around such, please skip this episode in lieu of another.
In Tonight’s Episode Bill Reel and RFM will take a deep historical dive into the topic of Suicide within Mormon Theology and take a look at how the LDS Church has approached this issue giving historical context. What we learn is that LDS Leaders and Mormon Doctrine have had some ups and downs dealing with approaching such in a healthy way with healthy attitudes. Like everything else in Mormonism, this issue too is messy.
RESOURCES:
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/liahona/1988/03/suicide-some-things-we-know-and-some-we-do-not?lang=eng
https://www.deseret.com/2018/7/2/20648210/lds-apostle-totally-false-that-suicide-leads-to-permanent-hell
https://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Suicide
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/suicide?lang=eng
https://www.heraldextra.com/news/2015/sep/20/church-teachings-on-suicide-have-changed-through-the-years/
https://kutv.com/news/local/lds-apostle-speaks-about-church-responsibility-in-mormon-lgbt-suicides-for-first-time
https://www.mrm.org/suicide-and-mormonism https://www.pewforum.org/2013/11/21/religious-groups-views-on-end-of-life-issues/
https://deseretbook.com/p/suicide-some-things-we-know-do-not-m-russell-ballard-437?variant_id=112173-paperback
http://mormonscholar.org/an-old-sectarian-notion-lds-teachings-on-suicide-sin-and-damnation/
https://mormonleaks.io/wiki/documents/6/6b/1958-Mormon_Doctrine-Bruce_R_McConkie.pdf (Agency & Suicides)
https://lds365.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Preventing-Suicide-Responding-After-Loss-LDS.pdf
https://childfriendlyfaith.org/2019/06/the-homophobic-teachings-of-the-mormon-church-killed-my-son/
https://www.dropbox.com/s/24uta1hgckvtzk0/MStar_19213.pdf?dl=0 (Millenial Star)
https://archive.org/details/juvenileinstructor1993/page/352/mode/2up?view=theater&q=juvenile+instructor
https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2021/10/13/22672169/are-latter-day-saint-lgbtq-youths-less-suicidal-a-new-study-asks-the-question-mormon
https://dsamh.utah.gov/pdf/sharp/2019/State%20of%20Utah%20Report.pdf
https://discussmormonism.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=154136&start=10
https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org National Suicide Prevention Lifeline We can all help prevent suicide. The Lifeline provides 24/7, free and confidential support for people in distress, prevention and crisis resources for you or your loved ones, and best practices for professionals. 1-800-273-8255 Tonight’s Episode will be dealing with the sensitive topic of suicide. If this topic might be triggering or such ideation is present. Please skip this episode and return back for next week’s. While we have consulted best practices National Suicide Prevention Lifeline We can all help prevent suicide. The Lifeline provides 24/7, free and confidential support for people in distress, prevention and crisis resources for you or your loved ones, and best practices for professionals. 1-800-273-8255
Radio Free Mormon takes Bill Reel and the rest of us through Shakespeare’s Macbeth in order to connect some dot in Mormonism on two issues. The First is the Apologetic response that if the critic can’t explain how something is done then it must be a miracle and second how Church Leaders always seem ambiguous on the issue of having seen Christ.
RESOURCES:
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2014/04/the-witness?lang=eng
https://youtu.be/g0js6xWv6bc?t=3453
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAt4Od0teNg&t=545s
Today we take a look at the Logical Fallacy of the Straw Man argument and juxtapose it against what it means to Steel Man someone. A Straw Man argument is when you misrepresent someone’s argument to make it easier to attack. We define a Straw Man argument, share an example, discuss how to incorporate good faith in a disagreement by instead choosing to Steel Man the disagreement, and then show how Mormonism holds up to the actual argument being made when that argument is represented fairly. RESOURCES:
https://youtu.be/zYVBA8n9-pU?t=25 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/2016/08/post-nuanced-view-church-gods-plan/ https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/2016/10/premium-holy-ghost-conundrum/ https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/broadcasts/face-to-face/oaks-ballard?cid=HP_SU_19-11-2017_dPFD_fBCAST_xLIDyL1-B_&lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/church/news/apostles-answer-questions-about-standards-doubts-during-ysa-face-to-face?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2004/10/be-not-deceived?lang=eng
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/doctrine-and-covenants-student-manual-2017/chapter-19-doctrine-and-covenants-50?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/preach-my-gospel-a-guide-to-missionary-service/how-do-i-recognize-and-understand-the-spirit?lang=eng https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/good-news-from-god/recognize-true-worshippers/ https://www.learnreligions.com/how-to-find-a-church-700487 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycUvC9s4VYA https://youtu.be/lwkh_aliF3E
https://youtu.be/UJMSU8Qj6Go
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2002/10/the-marvelous-foundation-of-our-faith?lang=eng https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2019/07/12/commentary-latter-day/
https://emp.byui.edu/SATTERFIELDB/Talks/Feb%2015%2019798%20First%20Presidency%20Gods%20Love%20for%20all%20mankind.html https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/2017/12/premium-lucy-walker-spiritual-experiences/
operandi is at work today inside Modern Mormonism through the SCMC, and other people and processes that work to ensure that believing members are kept at arms length from people, voices, and information that is both accurate and contradictory to the inaccurate but faithful dominant narrative.
RESOURCES:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danite
https://journal.interpreterfoundation.org/sensationalism-a-one-sided-perspective/
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/09/10/jana-riess-why-did-byu/
https://web.archive.org/web/20210120130850/https:/mi.byu.edu/scholars/benjamin-park/
In 1886 LDS Prophet and Church President John Taylor documented a Revelation whereby Jesus Christ himself informed Taylor that Polygamy (The New and Everlasting Covenant) can and will NEVER be done away. Only to have the Church later disavow and distance themselves from Polygamy. On this Episode Bill Reel and RFM will help us understand the context of the 1886 Revelation/Vision, How the Church avoided dealing with Taylor’s Documented Revelation, How Apologists deal with it today, and lastly what it demonstrates about the integrity and honesty of the Church and its leaders around this event.
RESOURCES:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1886_Revelation
https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/09/John-W.-Taylor-Trial.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1886_Revelation#/media/File:1886_Revelation.jpg
https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Mormonism_and_polygamy/John_Taylor
https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/2016/03/202-replay-life-trial-john-w-taylor/
https://www.mormonwiki.com/John_W._Taylor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_W._Taylor_(Mormon)
http://www.gapages.com/taylojw1.htm
https://mormonpolygamydocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/1886-Revelation-article.pdf
https://www.scribd.com/document/23201016/1886-Priesthood-Succesion
I went on John Dehlin’s show recently to talk about the turning points in my life that have turned me from a True Believing Mormon into Radio Free Mormon.
I had to do a lot of introspection for this podcast, and as it turns out, the answers surprised even me!
A must-listen for anyone who wants to know what makes RFM tick!
Mormonism LIVE!: 041: Solving the LDS Church Homosexuality Issue Elder Holland recently explained ““I and many of my Brethren have spent more time and shed more tears on this subject than we could ever adequately convey to you this morning, or any morning. We have spent hours discussing what the doctrine of the Church can and cannot provide the individuals and families struggling over this difficult issue. So, it is with scar tissue of our own that we are trying to avoid — and hope all will try to avoid — language, symbols and situations that are more divisive than unifying at the very time we want to show love for all of God’s children.” In spite of being Prophets, Seers, and Revelators; He seemingly also is acknowledging that Jesus isn’t coming into the room and they are trying to figure it out without him. So Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel decide to be of assistance and offer solutions to the problem they are struggling to get an answer for. So on this episode, we will give these 15 men the theological and historical and doctrinal space to resolve this issue once and for all.
RESOURCES:
https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/kingdoms-of-glory?lang=eng
https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2019/10/17oaks?lang=eng
https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2019/10/17oaks?lang=eng
http://radiofreemormon.org/2017/03/extra-radio-free-mormon-amazing-contradicting-joseph-smith/
http://radiofreemormon.org/2017/12/radio-free-mormon-022-ghost-homophobias-past/
Since its inception in 1830 LDS Leaders have been consistent at one thing. While lip service is given to being a Church that has Prophets, Seers, and Revelators who claim to speak for God and give direction from on high, these men seem to always be behind the times, stating outdated false misconceptions and teaching false and at times harmful rhetoric. No where can this be more easily recognized than on the LGBT issue. But….. sadly It doesn’t stop there.
RESOURCES:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg36L1989Ss&ab_channel=BYUSpeeches
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ay5dk9mky0p0sm7/OnTheRecord7-27.pdf?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y9z40tx8wd9rt9m/homosexuality.pdf?dl=0
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/interview-oaks-wickman-same-gender-attraction
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/same-sex-attraction?lang=eng
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/explaining-religious-freedom-and-lgbt-rights
In this weeks episode of Mormonism LIVE, RFM and Bill Reel delve into some debauchery among past Mission Presidents. What they find is a common theme creating a pattern of bad behavior learning once again that unethical behavior can be made righteous within Mormonism.
RESOURCES:
https://byteline.blogspot.com/2007/09/sects-and-violence-part-5-continued.html
https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V21N03_29.pdf
https://www.exmormon.org/d6/drupal/France-and-Polygamous-Mormon-Missionaries
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/8fbs7u/1980s_australia_sydney_mission_prez_was_aspiring/
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/deseretnews/name/orson-wright-obituary?pid=186032306
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/8f98mh/philander_knox_smartt_the_excommunicated_puerto/
https://voices.uchicago.edu/religionculture/2018/05/20/1522/
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/04/26/the-case-of-puerto-rico-when-the-mormon-church-promptly-removed-a-mission-president-who-deceived-and-victimized-young-female-missionaries/
https://universe.byu.edu/2018/04/27/mormon-church-kicks-out-man-who-supervised-young-women/
In Mormonism the very elite of membership including Stake Presidents, Mission Presidents, along with Seventies and the top 15 along with all their wives receive a secret ritual that confers to them that their “Calling and Election” has been made sure. What is this ritual? What do we know about it? How has the church framed it in their theology? and why do only a select few receive it? This and more on this week’s episode. RESOURCES:
https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V16N01_12.pdf https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmyldshistory.blogspot.com%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0YbteylqfjyBp3P_E8vU6c3WdGzGrCsOldzbCteN1jHdANClh8-TNfGPQ&h=AT0n2SeXpCqsisJ4BybEBV99LV5oOGWdD4p1HtYeYqON6tSYCRjkkxg7aHU-9f2gtlBVUUcy0PkhgbhWw6H5-T9wuBaTiuWCo1PeaxDh-KypeEmBY6CoYcW_Kl-seflSHqc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_anointing
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/doctrines-of-the-gospel/chapter-19?lang=eng Do not attempt in any way to discuss or answer questions about the second anointing.
www.mormonstories.org/podcast/tom-phillips-and-the-second-anointing/
http://www.mormonthink.com/glossary/secondendowment.htm
https://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon508.htm
http://archives.lib.byu.edu/repositories/14/archival_objects/255732
http://academickids.com/encyclopedia/index.php/Second_Anointing
http://www.fact-index.com/s/se/second_anointing.html https://www.lds-mormon.com/2danointing-shtml/
https://blog.mrm.org/2013/01/the-second-anointing-of-modern-day-mormonism/ https://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Calling_and_Election https://www.jstor.org/stable/44368772
With so many people asking “Why Hasn’t RFM Been Excommunicated Yet?” We decided to go right to the horse’s mouth and ask a member of RFM’s Stake Presidency. That member of the Stake Presidency will be on with us LIVE to answer that very question and more.
Today Bill and RFM will look into events that the Church and/or its Leaders were involved in that seem to have the “appearance of Evil”.
From Elder Ballard’s time selling cars to buying Valley Music Hall to becoming an Apostle of the Lord, to what appeared to be a Hostile Takeover by Quentin Cook of a Hospital in California, to what appears to be A giant favor done by Kirton and McConkie towards Thomas Monson and his family. We may touch on a few others as well….. you never know !!!
All of these stories involve allegations and viewers and listeners should make up their own mind as to what the data seems to imply. We also welcome the individuals involved as well as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to contribute to a more informed story
RESOURCES FOR BALLARD SECTION
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Russell_Ballard
wheatandtares.org/2016/08/22/dunn-and-other-bad-business-deals/
www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1986/03/elder-m-russell-ballard-true-to-the-faith?lang=eng
historyofmormonism.com/2008/07/08/m_russell_ballard/
familypedia.wikia.org/wiki/Melvin_Russell_Ballard_(1928)
churchofjesuschrist.org/learn/m-russell-ballard?lang=eng
RESOURCES FOR COOK SECTION
caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1464984.html
dropbox.com/s/c8n69kc96rx32th/new-l-d-s-apostle-quentin-l2026.pdf?dl=0
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_L._Cook
exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1503537
exploringmormonism.com/quenton-l-cook-and-fraud/
mormoncurtain.infymus.com/topic_quentinlcook.html
albionmonitor.com/community/ch-marin.html
sfweekly.com/news/sutters-empire-strikes-back/
RESOURCES FOR MONSON JR SECTION
groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.mormon/c/6quMKuVd8RY?hl=ja&pli=1#0910f00c9d7d7efb
lawyers.findlaw.com/profile/view/1825333_1
www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/8akrof/thomas_l_monson_sexual_harassment_coverup/
www.zoominfo.com/p/Thomas-Monson/52373910
In this week’s episode of Mormonism Live, we will investigate the integrity of the not only the President of the Church but also the integrity of the Quorum of the 12. Once one grasps the systemic issue within LDS Leadership, One’s trust in them becomes anything other guaranteed.
RESOURCES:
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/media/video/2016-01-1000-worldwide-devotional-january-2016?lang=eng 45:35 – 46:38 Time Stamp
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2019/04/10/mormon-land-lds-churchs/ 4:47 – 5:46 Time Stamp
In his memoirs, An Abundant Life, Elder Hugh B. Brown explained “the Apostolic Charge” that every apostle is apparently given upon admittance to the Q12. It reads as follows: “Always be willing to subjugate his own thoughts and accept the majority opinion not only to vote for it but to act as though it were his own original opinion after it has been approved by the majority of the council of the twelve and the First Presidency.”
This weeks episode will feature RFM and Bill Reel unveiling a new show under the Mormonism Discussion Inc. umbrella and some reflection on last weeks episode regarding Nelson’s flight and we touch on the passing of Robert Ritner and spend the last half of the Show doing an AMA. RESOURCES: https://backyardprofessor.org/ http://fornspollfira.blogspot.com/2021/07/robert-kreich-ritner-jr-1953-2021.html https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/general-conference-saturday-evening-session-update
Today We explore a story President Nelson has told for years about a flight he was on in the 1970’s. He reports the plane’s engine exploding, the wing catching fire, a death spiral by the plane, the chaos aboard, and the plane’s landing in a farmer’s field. This story had many questioning the truthfulness of his account but there was never a smoking gun to get to the truth of the matter………. until now.
WHERE PRESIDENT NELSON OR OTHERS HAVE TOLD THE STORY
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1992/05/doors-of-death?lang=eng
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/president-nelson-argentina-2019
https://www.deseret.com/faith/2021/3/28/22355277/president-nelson-invites-all-to-feel-the-peace-and-hope-of-easter-by-focusing-on-the-savior
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=EMwKxmTLaCs&ab_channel=TheChurchofJesusChristofLatter-daySaints
Russell M. Nelson, From Heart to Heart: An Autobiography (Salt Lake City: Nelson, 1979)
Russell M. Nelson: Father, Surgeon, Apostle – Spencer J Condie: Author
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/friend/1994/06/most-important?lang=eng Russell M. Nelson, The Gateway We Call Death (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1995)
https://www.thechurchnews.com/archives/2004-09-18/gospel-principles-vital-to-correct-living-94995
https://www.deseret.com/2006/4/15/19948411/death-is-part-of-life-ex-surgeon-says
https://www.thechurchnews.com/leaders-and-ministry/2018-09-03/president-nelson-delivers-historic-message-to-dominican-latter-day-saints-in-spanish-8931
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/church/news/president-nelson-shares-5-lessons-life-has-taught-me-with-49000-in-safeco-field?lang=eng
https://www.thechurchnews.com/leaders-and-ministry/2018-10-26/president-nelson-finds-church-thriving-in-uruguay-thanks-to-multiple-generations-of-members-missionaries-156122
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/president-nelson-argentina-2019
THE CLAIMS PRESIDENT NELSON HAS MADE THAT WERE RED FLAGS
1.) One Engine on a small Two Engine plane Exploded.
2.) Said Engine caught fire.
3.) In the Explosion flammable material was spread to the plane and the plane itself was on fire.
4.) The plane did a “Death Spiral” which extinguished the fire
5.) The Pilot “turned on the Other Engine”
6.) The plane landed in a “Farmer’s Field”
THE FACTS THAT ALLOWED OTHERS TO NARROW WHAT TO LOOK FOR
1.) The Date of the flight was reported as November 12, 1976
2.) He was flying from SLC to St. George to attend the inauguration of W. Rolfe Kerr as the president of Dixie College.
3.) Anytime a plane incurs a malfunction or there is a mechanical flight issue or pilot error the Law requires such to be recorded. The Explosion would necessitate a publicly available recorded log report. The plane on fire would necessitate a publicly available recorded log report. The Death Spiral would necessitate a publicly available recorded log report. The landing in a Farmer’s Field would necessitate a publicly available recorded log report.
IF THE STORY OCCURRED THE WAY PRESIDENT NELSON HAS REPORTED, THERE ABSOLUTELY WOULD BE A REPORT THAT IS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. MOST FABRICATIONS HINGE ON SOME GRAIN OF TRUTH, SO MANY IN THE POST-MORMON COMMUNITY WENT INTO DETECTIVE MODE.
THE FLIGHT REPORT FOR THIS FLIGHT WAS FINALLY LOCATED (IT WAS DIFFICULT TO FIND DUE TO THE MUNDANE ISSUES INCURRED THAT SEEMINGLY CONTRADICT NELSON’S STORY )
https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/wNa3AAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA1090&dq=skywest+incidents+1976
1.) Engine never exploded and continued to run though rough
2.) There was no Engine Fire.
3.) The Plane itself was never on fire
4.) The Other Engine was never off
4.) The plane made a “Precautionary landing at the airport in Delta Utah and not a farmer’s field
5.) There are other smaller issues with number of passengers, length of flight, cutting fuel line to both engines, and the date of the flight but we grant some benefit of the doubt for distorted memory.
If the Church or its defenders want to claim the conclusion that this flight one day earlier is NOT the flight President Nelson is speaking about, then the burden of proof is on them to provide the evidence. To claim there was another “SKY WEST” flight also going from SLC TO SAINT GEORGE” that had “WORSE ISSUES” “ONE DAY LATER”, then provide the “MANDATORY PUBLICLY AVAILABLE FLIGHT REPORT” of said flight. Without such, said conclusion by the defenders would require more conjecture and allowances.
The Plane believed to be the One Nelson rode that day
We sit down with Lindsay Hansen Park, host of “The Year of Polygamy” podcast and discuss the most troubling aspects of Joseph Smith’s polygamy and LDS Polygamy at large. Lucy Walker, the Partridge Sisters, Fanny Alger, Helen Mar Kimball, and others.
RESOURCES:
https://www.yearofpolygamy.com/
https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/2017/12/premium-lucy-walker-spiritual-experiences/
https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/2019/08/mormon-discussion-342-nancy-rigdon-and-the-happiness-letter/
mormondiscussionpodcast.org/2020/08/gospel-topic-essays-011-plural-marriage-in-kirtland-and-nauvoo/
http://wivesofjosephsmith.org/2021-EmilyandElizaPartridge.htm
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Lindsay Hansen Park is an American Mormon feminist blogger, podcaster, and the Executive Director for the Salt Lake City-based non-profit Sunstone Education Foundation. She blogs for Feminist Mormon Housewives (FMH) about women’s issues inside and outside of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. She is the main voice behind the Year of Polygamy podcast. Her work and voice have been referenced in The Wall Street Journal, The Salt Lake Tribune’s Trib Talk, Salt Lake City Weekly, The Guardian and Quartz.
Today we catch up on current events namely discussing the recent property purchases by the Church in Washington and Hawaii. We then discuss the recent language of judgement by famous LDS author and now General Authority (second counselor in the Young Men general presidency) Brad Wilcox about how those who leave can be seen to have their Countenances changed for the worse and seem to have their lives in a mess. If there is time we will also hit on the possible removal of the “Becoming Like God” Gospel Topic Essay.
RESOURCES:
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/06/24/latest-mormon-land-church/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0W71YTn_fE
https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1975/10/the-privilege-of-holding-the-priesthood?lang=eng&fbclid=IwAR0thqKeYOxHIZK_x4RDeDvsOM4-aYvI6eeh8VCDPuQYvZyk9XRCBeDlgpE
RFM sits down with Kerry Shirts, former believer, former director of research for FAIR (Formerly FairMormon, formerly FAIR), former apologist known as the Backyard Professor. Kerry discusses his time as an apologist defending The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and his subsequent loss of belief.
RFM and Bill will sit down with a listener from England who will share with us an exciting discovery he made regarding the Liahona in Book of Mormon. This is likely the first time this discovery will be shared publicly.
We sit down with Taylor Drake to talk about his new book, “Joseph in the Gap”, and how this book has led to a disciplinary council with his Stake President on June 30th.
Book “Joseph in The Gap” – https://www.amazon.com/Joseph-Gap-History-Explains-Mormonisms/dp/B08YQCQB87
We did it! We finally got through all of General Conference from April 2021!
Join Jonathan Streeter and me as we slice and dice the talks given in the Sunday Afternoon Session!
I am exhausted!
But General Conference has still never been so much fun!
Today we wit down with John Dehlin, host of Mormon Stories and Pioneer who blazed the trail into historical transparency regarding Mormon History and Social Dysfuntion using the internet as the vehicle. His podcast pioneered a new phase in Mormonism where Scholars talked openly and and the Church could be held accountable for its unhealthiness.
The most controversial talk of April 2021 General Conference was likely given by President Nelson at the close of the Sunday morning session. You remember–The “Lazy Learners” talk!
Jonathan Streeter and I take a full two hours to dive deeply into this talk and excavate its deeper implications.
General Conference has never been so much fun!!!
We sit down with author, Spencer Wright, to talk about Logical Fallacies. We will examine a few ways in which certain fallacies are used in Mormonism and help the viewer/listener grasp how irrational certain apologetic arguments are. How Mormon Apologists carefully move the person investigating truth claims and history to making room for anything that it possible even if that thing is highly unlikely and do so in ways that one feels comfortable maintaining belief even though that belief may be irrational.
Spencer Wright is the author of the book, “How To Think: Why Rational and Faith Based Thinking Are In Compatible”
RESOURCES:
Spencer’s Book “How To Think” https://www.amazon.com/How-Think-Spencer-K-Wright/dp/1986747069
https://thebestschools.org/magazine/15-logical-fallacies-know/
https://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/common-logical-fallacies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
https://writingcenter.unc.edu/tips-and-tools/fallacies/
http://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/ENGL1311/fallacies.htm
I am happy to be joined once again by the brilliant Jonathan Streeter of Thoughts on Things and Stuff for a jolly discussion of the Sunday Morning Session of April 2021 General Conference!
General Conference has never been so much fun!!!
Mormonism has placed each believer into having to choose which Prophets you believe and which Prophets you don’t. Choosing which Prophets are right about the views they hold claiming they got them from God and which prophets were simply wrong claiming something came from God when it must surely be their own false view since the views are contradictory. In the end the disagreement seems so obviously contradictory that one must choose one claim over the other which leaves them dismissing a prophet and having that prophet apparently unable to discern between the voice of God and his own false imagination. And once you admit that prophets and those who place faith in them are no more able to discern truth from error via the Holy Ghost…… Then how does one navigate with certainty about their own spiritual knowings and those of the prophets when one could be misled this easily. And the Cherry on top is the LDS Church’s continued Deception around the issue including misleading members by articulating the issue as if Brigham didn’t teach it through their talks, the Church manuals, and private letters demanding silence.
RESOURCES:
https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Question:Was_the%22Adam-God%22_theory_ever_taught_as_part_of_the_temple_endowment_ceremony_as_something_called_%22the_lecture_at_the_veil%22%3F
https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1975/04/a-self-inflicted-purging?lang=eng
https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1976/10/our-own-liahona?lang=eng
https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1980/10/adam-the-archangel?lang=eng
https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/bruce-r-mcconkie/seven-deadly-heresies/#byu-header
http://www.eugeneengland.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/BRM-to-EE-Feb-80-Combined.pdf
https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/teachings-brigham-young/chapter-14?lang=eng
https://journalofdiscourses.com/9/27
https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/teachings-brigham-young/chapter-4?lang=eng
https://www.journalofdiscourses.com/1/8
This week RFM and Bill Reel use the recent Salt Lake Trib article as a starting point to discuss why Heavenly mother is such a big deal. Or rather why so many are insisting we talk about her and why so many others demand we don’t.
Tonight I am joined once more by my good friend Jonathan Streeter from Thoughts on Things and Stuff for part 3 of our post mortem of the 2021 General Conference.
Time for the Priesthood Session!
General Conference has never been so much fun!
Tonight Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel take another look at the recent regional conference focusing on how Elder Holland and Bonnie Cordon handle questions from the Young adult members of the Church.
This Week RFM and Bill Reel takes a deeper look at the an old allegation that has been dragged out once again by critics against John Dehlin. And specifically the facts and documentation surrounding the case. And what do they find…… but that the claims the alleged victim seems to contain two major discrepancies. One is her motivation which seems riddled with blackmail and manipulation and the other seems to strike at the heart of her claims, namely her allegations countered by her very own text messages.
Exhibit A Blackmail Email – https://mormonismlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Exhibit-A-Blackmail-Email.pdf
Exhibit B New Hampshire Complaint – https://mormonismlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Exhibit-B-New-Hampshire-Complaint-redacted.pdf
Exhibit C Dehlin Statement – https://mormonismlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Exhibit-C-Dehlin-OSF-Response.pdf
Exhibit D Anne’s Withdrawal – https://mormonismlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Exhibit-D-Annes-Withdrawal.pdf
Exhibit E OSF Response – https://mormonismlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Exhibit-E-OSF-Response.pdf
First aired 6:20 PM Mountain Time April 28th 2021
RFM and Jonathan Streeter have a rollicking good time talking about the talks given in Saturday afternoon session of the April 2021 General Conference!
General Conference has never been so much fun!
A lot happened this past Sunday in Mormonism. Natasha Helfer had a disciplinary court and later in the week was excommunicated. And Kwaku coming off of our interview attempted to drive people to video dredging up old allegations against John Dehlin but encasing it in a bait and switch put over on people as “My apology to John Dehlin”. We tackle both of those as well as some looking back at last week’s conversation with Kwaku and some of the things he said and if they hold up to critical thinking.
Join Jonathan Streeter and RFM as they take apart General Conference one talk at a time! This episode covers the Saturday morning session of April 2021 General Conference. Speakers for this session include Elder (not President!) Uchtdorf, Sister Joy Jones, Elder Gong and President Eyring! GenCon has never been this much fun!
Live Show on Wednesdays 6:20 PM Mountain Time on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5n_8_6j00PSeju0hu2CFXQ
Kwaku El in Studio for a Live Conversation about FAIR and Saints Unscripted Kwaku has graciously accepted our invitation to sit down on Mormonism LIVE ! with Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel to discuss primarily his separating from Saints Unscripted and having projects he worked on that contributed to content on FAIR having been removed. We also touch on his feelings and thoughts regarding people who leave and the emotional turmoil such journeys encapsulate and We talk about whether he recognizes if the critics are reasonable in their approach and conclusion and if he is for that matter.
YOUTUBE VIDEO RECORDING of this episode – https://youtu.be/Kd7EdebQ194
Mormonism LIVE ! – April 2021 General Conference Edition RFM and Bill Reel will sit down and review some of big happenings and talks in April 2021 General Conference. And if absolutely zilch happens, then we will address the recent handbook changes and discuss what they say about where they came from and where the Church moves forward because of those changes.
Recent Handbook Changes allowing single members more opportunities to serve – https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/general-handbook-update-march-2021
2020 Membership Report – https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/april-2021-general-conference-statistical-report
President Nelson’s Lazy Learner Talk – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VGCEQLzITk
RFM joins Jonathan Streeter to discuss how lawyers use words to deceive.
Even when the lawyers are LDS Church leaders.
And even when they’re not lawyers!
Prepare to have your eyes opened!
As RFM prepared for last weeks episode on Miner’s Hill he came across some things in regards to Joseph Smith’s treasure Digging that you won’t want to miss. Mormonism LIVE ! Tonight has multiple bombshells with one of them being YUGE! Like blew my mind HUUUUGE. These are all things almost everyone doesn’t know with the major bombshell absolutely being unknown to everyone and a game changer.1.) Who with and where did Joseph Smith dig specifically for the Gold plates before Cumorah? and before 1823? 2.) Proof the Church is still not being transparent with damaging documents even on its Joseph Smith Papers Project Website. They are still trying to avoid believers confronting the facts and keeping data from a believer accessing such..3.) We take the Apologist’s strongest evidence of the Book of Mormon and show a much more reasonable contemporary example in Joseph Smith’s milieu.4.) AND THE BIGGEST BOMBSHELL OF THEM ALL WHICH WE WILL UNVEIL ON THE SHOW TONIGHT………. YOU WON’T WANT TO MISS THIS. Faculty of Abrac – https://twitter.com/shuffard/status/1294357248546951169/photo/1 W W Phelps letter to Eber D Howe – http://www.solomonspalding.com/NEWSP/HOWE/Ex04a.htm Transcript of Joseph Knight Sr’s Recollection – https://byustudies.byu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/17.1JesseeJoseph.pdf Brian Hales website showing the section of Oliver Cowdery’s letter to his brother Warren displaying the SCRAPE/AFFAIR – https://josephsmithspolygamy.org/oliver-cowdery-letter-to-warren-a-cowdery-olivers-brother-january-21-1838/ Joseph Smith Papers Project not being transparent about the letter – https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-from-oliver-cowdery-21-january-1838/1 The full letter book including the Oliver/Warren Cowdery Letter about the Alger Scrape/Affair – https://mormonpolygamydocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/JSP_Book_91.pdf Nahum VS Nahom VS NHM – https://historyofmormonism.com/2012/11/14/newel-knight/ Nahum’s dissapearance – https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/they-are-my-friends-a-history-of-the-joseph-knight-family-18251850/ LDS Church’s Changing Narrative around the Translation Process – https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VZkKUmC-cjB_DnqWp9HHyW7v677e4IlUQORHn6ydOyA/edit?fbclid=IwAR3bbWLgmhXrMOq2vQxzDkN-bW3kbpJVE1-FcHLWm-tVYNmwPn3gtNx1hbc
This just in! Elder Oaks has proven that he is NOT a liar!
In this joint podcast with the fabulous Jonathan Streeter from Thinker of Thoughts, we dissect a 1993 talk Elder Oaks gave to the students of BYU’s law school.
In his remarks, Elder Oaks demonstrates convincingly to all assembled that he does not justify lying in any form, nor is he himself a liar!
Either that, or this is actually a Manifesto on why Elder Oaks believes it is fine to prevaricate and deceive for the greater good, so long as you don’t cross that increasingly fuzzy line of lying.
It’s like the Unabomber Manifesto. Only it isn’t about bombing; it’s about lying.
Perhaps we should call it the Unaliar Manifesto?
How prevalent was Joseph Smith’s treasure digging? Where all did Joseph Smith dig for treasures. What do we know about these treasure seeking sites? What do the historical sources tell us about these treasure digs? Black Sheep, Gold Furniture, Sacred scripture translated inside these man dug caves.
RESOURCES:
KC Kern & Greg Pavone Miner’s Hill Project Website 1 – https://archival.link/mormoncave/story?fbclid=IwAR0GLubkK_y8lfDciIgs2vYPHtnX9fkigPX0O5IA5QekS1aULryUM_q9xHA
KC Kern & Greg Pavone Miner’s Hill Project Website 2 – https://imgur.com/gallery/pRGJl?fbclid=IwAR1oN3pmDljsTA1w5TBndASDxTf648P6nCuVVnj3iRqVVpfRg8IERY2YftY
Dan Vogel’s The Locations of Joseph Smith’s Early Treasure Quests https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/03/VogelTreasuredigs.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1fHa7pfUtaf7CTlEhS-hvHSKCWIFXlig0t_AARJ_OxtELfWBS59LvpqMI
Historical Sources Related to Miner’s Hill Cave https://archival.link/mormoncave/sources?fbclid=IwAR2WXX-gYTmXB_Qn6cnonpqQ-lfDHlMri4g-2veT1SIgMhufxtDGjHSQIoI
Cumorah’s Cave PDF https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1360&context=jbms&fbclid=IwAR3HMObEXTYBVCOxZI5Jqx796yaOWu5hbFWlbKkvwAzdGpTNiWX5QSHcgiM
On tonight’s episode RFM and Bill Reel dive further into the Mark Hofmann story exposing Elder Oaks and at the time Elder Gordon B. Hinckley as potentially deceiving and lying about what transpired in their meeting with Hofmann and their efforts to obtain what they believed were authentic and also damaging documents to the Church’s narrative and the faith of its members. Bill concludes with revealing multiple never before seen documents including the Hofmann’s outline for the forged 116 pages of the book of Lehi, Hofmann’s Psychological evaluation, his education report cards, and a master list of all the signatures/authored documents he forged of famous people.
RESOURCES:
Elder Oaks 1985 talk that includes much around the Hofmann affair including suggesting a Salamander could be interpreted as the angel Moroni – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hAL-qLOISs
Elder Oaks suggesting if we keep the commandments we won’t be deceived while the listener recognizes Elder Oaks, then Elder Gordon B Hinckley, and other leaders were in fact deceived by Hofmann – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hAL-qLOISs
Elder Oaks saying way too much about the Hofmann ordeal that in the end compromises the events as he tells them https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1987/10/recent-events-involving-church-history-and-forged-documents?lang=eng
Using a recent video published by the LDS Church titled “How Can It Not Be True”, RFM and Bill Reel take this short 1 minute and 15 second video that attempts to impose faulty evidence and faulty reasoning as proving the Church is true and decimate it. When they are finished, answering the question How can it not be true becomes quite easy.
RESOURCES:
How Can It Not Be True – LDS VIdeo – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvxH24aPkTQ
Chris Johnson – Stylistic Drift – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAGasQ7j_ZI
Christopher Smith – Stylistic Drift – http://www.withoutend.org/stylistic-drift-book-mormon-dictation/
Terrence Chambers – New Testament Phrases in the Book of Mormon – http://www.iosrjournals.org/iosr-jhss/papers/Vol.%2022%20Issue2/Version-1/R220201120147.pdf
Book of Mormon Anachronisms – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anachronisms_in_the_Book_of_Mormon
Criticism of the Book of Mormon – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Book_of_Mormon
19th century material in the Book of Mormon – https://www.churchistrue.com/blog/19th-century-protestant-phrases-in-book-of-mormon/
Book of Mormon Archeology – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_and_the_Book_of_Mormon
Faithful LDS Scholar Richard Bushman on 19th century material in the Book of Mormon – https://faenrandir.github.io/a_careful_examination/bushman-on-19th-century-phrasing-and-theology-in-the-book-of-mormon/
Richard Bushman on Joseph Smith producing pseudepigrapha – https://www.missedinsunday.com/memes/scripture/mormon-pseudepigrapha/
synopsis of Grant Palmer’s Insider’s view of Mormon Origins – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Insider%27s_View_of_Mormon_Origins
Grant Palmer’s Mormon Stories Interview – https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/mormon-stories-030-031-032-and-033-an-insiders-view-of-mormon-origins-an-interview-with-grant-palmer/
The Dreams of the Smith Family – Contains Joseph Smith Sr.’s dream that resembles the Vision of the Tree of Life – https://sunstonemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/064-22-29.pdf
Introduction to the Grammatical and Substantive changes to the Book of Mormon – http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/3913intro.htm
Was Ethan Smith’s View of the Hebrews a potential source for Joseph Smith’s Book of Mormon?
That is the question RFM tackles in this important episode hosted by Dr. John Dehlin.
After having heard about this allegation since the 1980s, RFM finally took the time to get View of the Hebrews and methodically work his way through it.
The results are explosive!
Today I am joined by John Dehlin to discuss several essays (two recent!) written by Dr. John Gee criticizing the Joseph Smith Papers Project volume dealing with the Abraham Egyptian Manuscripts. Is Dr. Gee fair in his criticisms, or is he grinding a well-honed axe? You be the judge!
Using a recent article in the Church Magazine “Liahona” (Formerly the Ensign) published by the LDS Church, RFM and Bill Reel dissect whether the Church acts in good faith with how it imposes its narrative and who it blames when that narrative is pointed out as not accurate. When the Church is informed that it is being inaccurate how does the Church respond, both in its rhetoric in terms of who it blames for the problem and what it says it will do about the problem, as well as what it actually does to correct the problem. The Video version of this episode and all other episodes can be found on youtube at this url https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5n_8_6j00PSeju0hu2CFXQ Please consider donating to Mormonism LIVE ! to help us keep this live show going by CLICKING HERE
Swedish Rescue – https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/swedish-rescue-audio/
Jonathan Streeter and I continue our analysis of October 2020 General Conference with the Saturday afternoon session! This session may contain the worst GenCon talk I have heard in forty years! The audio is a bit sketchy toward the beginning (thanks, Zoom!) but it levels out pretty quickly! Hang in there and you will be amply rewarded!
RFM and Bill Reel have a guest on today, Chris Bloxham, who gets us started by telling us a funny story from his mission. After that we give our callers a chance to share their funny mission stories, and finish off having RFM share a funny story from his mission.
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There are five rules to the game of Mormonism; all of them from the perspective of church leaders:
Rule No. 1–We are going to hide stuff from you.
Rule No. 2–We are going to try to keep you from finding the stuff we are hiding from you.
Rule No. 3–We are going to lie about hiding stuff from you.
Rule No. 4–You can’t blame us for hiding stuff from you.
Rule No. 5–If you talk about the stuff we are hiding from you, we will hide you. (See Rule No. 2)Once you understand the five “rules of the game,” everything else falls into place.
RESOURCES:
https://youtu.be/4hAL-qLOISs
https://www.deseret.com/2008/8/2/20379462/be-cautious-about-lds-history-articles-elder-oaks-says?fbclid=IwAR22qAPf6HvVfRVyLX_faN2NGYRqvuxMQj-VUA1I20y_votqlxiy-egQMgI
https://youtu.be/Eqi-ll1PSr0?t=1
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/teaching-seminary-preservice-readings-religion-370-471-and-475/the-mantle-is-far-far-greater-than-the-intellect?lang=eng&fbclid=IwAR3UdfA0Yy1EIhOpnaIr42oeR8pTPuSmNs-PdFd6NpL5gjX78e1wG8FSqas
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1986/01/truth-and-more?lang=eng&fbclid=IwAR3lTzVmfLSDIN22CSFzqtYRVpraCSTlnzt0U1k_zvoHGh8G9PwX9SfygG4
https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/russell-m-nelson/truth-and-more/?fbclid=IwAR0cxr5OaF7YED0mPLTq57yGcYg5C2SCHgY94bhxST_OzJxo92Fe6Yy5dnk
https://youtu.be/lsi3wLiyiEE?t=520
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/church/news/president-oaks-counsels-young-couples-defending-the-gospel-on-the-frontline-?lang=eng&fbclid=IwAR22qAPf6HvVfRVyLX_faN2NGYRqvuxMQj-VUA1I20y_votqlxiy-egQMgI
https://youtu.be/Uj2VWhuW50w?t=2666
https://youtu.be/RPeIgjZ0EQg?t=742
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1993/04/keep-the-faith?lang=eng&fbclid=IwAR3lTzVmfLSDIN22CSFzqtYRVpraCSTlnzt0U1k_zvoHGh8G9PwX9SfygG4
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/media/video/2015-10-2060-elder-vern-p-stanfill?lang=eng&fbclid=IwAR3_4rgQQtelIZwdX-Dm5w6LqIWum5E78RDrDY2He8BeKhjRbi3v-j9zttI
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2019/10/56andersen?lang=eng&fbclid=IwAR3J7TtWjDfYfVjO6xcFXNa1-M5XXsU_luV2H4tj-vKGYOAXRF8TKRR0ci4
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2012/10/can-ye-feel-so-now?lang=eng&fbclid=IwAR0_-V_9p9yrxkD9zcCcVpT-szyykb_vcN54k1x83hpb4Zvf5CEOEHN0zzk
In todays Episode Jonathan Streeter fills in for Bill Reel and takes RFM on a journey discussing the first miracle in Mormonism. They discuss the role that Demonic possessions and exorcisms play in religion generally and how such things have influenced Mormonism specifically.
Tonight we do a deep dive into the hit-piece John Gee wrote about his former Egyptology professor Robert Ritner, ostensibly as a book review for The Journal of the Society for the Study of Egyptian Antiquities. Is there bad blood between Gee and Ritner? You bet there is! And John Gee’s hit-piece brings it into high definition!
Moroni 7:27 asks Has the day of Miracles Ceased? The answer in the scriptures is nay. Yet What happens when we take a look at what LDS Leaders suggest as the miracles that are happening. We use two Sound clips at the backdrop of todays discussion. One is David Bednar’s recent BYU devotional where Elder Bednar imposes that miracles are happening today just as in days of old and gives us 8 quotes that are supposed to be evidence of the miracles except there aren’t any…. unless you are counting smiles, hours served, phones answered, and a person was were they were supposed to be. The second clip revolves around Wendy Nelson informing us that President Nelson was prompted prior to Covid in 2020 to cancel all of their bookings for the year. But when this “miracle” is examined it seems to contain deep factual problems and negative theological ramifications.
RESOURCES:
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/moro/7?lang=eng
We once again develop this weeks episode around Director of the Church History Library, Keith Erekson. Except this time we address his expertise as a hoax expert. No Seriously, this guy is one of the worlds experts on discerning hoaxes. He has written articles, given presentations, and taught in academia about such helping people for years to to discern and deconstruct hoaxes. But catch this….. he has been unable to apply those same tools to his religious beliefs and that is the topic for tonight’s episode
RESOURCES:
https://www.keitherekson.com/2020/03/how-to-detect-a-hoax/
https://www.keitherekson.com/2020/03/how-to-analyze-a-hoax/
https://www.keitherekson.com/2021/01/how-to-talk-about-rumors-and-conspiracy-theories/
Tonight RFM and Bill Reel take a look at how Director of the Church History Library, Keith A. Erekson, frames apologetics, inoculation, and publicly frames the criticisms of the Church. What tone does he use? What approach does he take with the critic and their criticisms? What approach does he take with the issues? How does he interact with the members of the Church in terms of transparency? Vulnerability? Honesty? and Forthrightness? Is this an improvement or is it a deeper layer of deception? We do this by examining his recent Fireside w/ multiple stakes published on the Fredrickson Stake Youtube Channel
Keith Erekson is the head of the vaults where historical items are saved in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He and his two assistants are the only folks with unfettered access to these archives and storage.
John Dehlin and I discuss the history and merits of the ongoing class action lawsuit against the LDS Church. As a special bonus, the lawyer suing the LDS Church phones in and shares some startling behind-the-scenes information on how the LDS Church used strong arm tactics to try to get her to drop the case!
RFM and Bill Reel take a look at the December 2020 Changes to the General Handbook of Instruction within the LDS Church. This Second part starts with a special Guest, Wendi Wilcock Jensen, as we dive into the handbook section on Energy Work. From there we discuss the changes involving Transgender people, changes on the church’s approach to abuse, a new section on prejudice, and then we conclude with the new section on seeking reliable information and use a soundbite from a Mormonland Podcast interview to show that it is actually the LDS Church that is unreliable, non-credible, and deceptive.
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/general-handbook/title-page?lang=eng Soundbite parody in the voice of Gordon Bitner Hinckley at the beginning is from the TikTok artist Mitch Shira also under the name “genie man”. Please Check out his work !!!
Join Sue as she tells the rest of her harrowing tale; how she escaped from the polygamy compound in Mexico, made her way back to the United States, and finally made her way back into the good graces of the LDS Church. As it turns out, all the hoops the LDS Church made her jump through in order to be rebaptized and have her temple blessings restored ended up pushing her out of the Church . . . again!
RFM and Bill Reel take a look at the December 2020 Changes to the General Handbook of Instruction within the LDS Church. There is a major bombshell in this episode dealing with the hierarchy of doctrine when comparing the handbook with the teachings of the living prophets and the holy scriptures. Which takes precedence? The answer may surprise you!
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/general-handbook/title-page?lang=eng
Tonight I have the distinct honor of interviewing Dr. Simon Southerton, whose 2004 book, “Losing a Lost Tribe,” made headlines around the world and sent shockwaves through the Mormon Community! The reason this book made such a splash is because it demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that a Semitic tribe such as depicted in the Book of Mormon did not exist in the New World. And it was all right there in the DNA!
Dr. Southerton talks about his early years that led up to his writing, “Losing a Lost Tribe,” and how advances in DNA studies since that time continue to corroborate the original conclusion.
We even take a crack at the LDS Gospel Topics essay on DNA and the Book of Mormon! Come along for the ride!
Mormon Apologists have long pointed out that one criticism of the Book of Mormon is its use of the female name Alma for a male’s name. After citing the criticism, Mormon Apologists immediately follow up with evidence of Alma’s use as a Male name in the ancient eastern world. But is this really an argument being made that deserves a rebuttal? Was Alma really only a female name in Joseph Smith’s day? Did he know any male Alma’s? And are LDS Leaders and Apologists honest around this issue? That and more and your phone calls on this episode of Mormonism LIVE !
Using the recent Atlantic Magazine Article about Mormonism which includes an interview with Russel M. Nelson, President of The LDS Church as a springboard, RFM and Bill talk about Mormonism’s endless quest for acceptance by the outside world, and why Mormonism seems to be going about it all wrong.
Atlantic Magazine Article Link
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/01/the-most-american-religion/617263/
Peter Bleakley, a life-long Latter-day Saint from across the pond, is actively engaged in calling out current church leadership on their gaslighting, distortions, and dissembling. In this interview, Peter is equal parts brilliance and bravura! RFM finds out what makes Peter tick, why the current state of Mormonism infuriates him so much, and what Peter thinks is the only hope left for the LDS Church to continue as a viable Christian institution into the 21st Century. It’s the Christians versus the Pharisees! And so far, the Pharisees seem to be winning hands down!
Join RFM today as his good friend, Sue, tells about her escape from polygamy! Sue was a happily married TBM until her husband became converted to the fundamentalist practice of plural marriage, converted Sue after a year-long emotionally abusive indoctrination, and began taking new wives. The family moved down to Mexico to continue the practice where Sue lived with her husband and sister wives for two years before finally getting fed up with it and making her escape! This is one you won’t want to miss!
RFM and Bill Reel have a lot of fun dismantling FairMormon’s new Book of Abraham video, showing their absolute over-the-top use of ad hominem arguments! This video does everything it can to avoid dealing with the actual issues related to this book of scripture!
The Inaugural Episode of Mormonism LIVE! kicks off tackling FairMormon’s new video series titled, “This Is The Show” (T.I.T.S.). T.I.T.S. is intended for a younger audience. Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel dive into whether FairMormon is taking on this project with honesty toward the material and compassion toward those who lose faith. Sadly on both fronts it is a strong NO.
The Live Broadcast of Mormonism LIVE! is recorded on Wednesdays at 6:20PM (MST) and can be watched Live at Mormon Discussions Youtube Channel and Mormon Discussions Facebook page
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RFM interviews John Kirk Williams, author of “Heaven Up Here,” a memoir of his two-year LDS church mission to Bolivia! John talks about his mission, his time working for the church curriculum department, and the events that led him to lose belief in Mormonism!
RFM makes several important announcements involving the direction of the podcast, an update on the #GiveThanks episode from last week, and revealing a big secret about what has been going on behind the scenes at Radio Free Mormon! This is a must-listen!
During this Thanksgiving season, global faith leader Russell M. Nelson has given the world the revelation direct from God that we should . . . wait for it . . . give thanks! Bill Reel, together with Allan and Kattie Mount join me for a fun dissection of President Nelson’s Message of Hope and Healing! #givethanks
Philip McLemore joins us again to share his fascinating experiences with LDS General Authorities including Ezra Taft Benson, Vaughn Featherstone, Paul Dunn, Marion Hanks, and more! Philip McLemore tells it all! The Good, the Bad and the Ugly!
Former CES Director Philip McLemore pulls back the curtain to give us a look behind the scenes at what really goes on in the Church Educational System. As a bonus, we also get to hear about the strange happenings on his mission to Brazil in the early 70s. Finally, Philip shares the untold story of how he was asked by top CES leadership to write up a thorough debunking of anti-Mormon criticisms back in the heyday of The Godmakers. And why it was that project never saw the light of day. This is one you don’t want to miss!!!
Professor David Bokovoy and RFM dig deep into the third chapter of the Book of Abraham. What does all this material about astronomy really mean? And what can it tell us about the actual author? These questions, along with a host of others, are delved into in this fascinating discussion!
Today RFM is joined by Jonathan Streeter of Thoughts on Things and Stuff to dissect the Saturday morning session of October 2020 General Conference! General Conference has never been so much fun!!!
Dr. David Bokovoy brings his formidable knowledge of Bible studies and textual analysis to bear on the Book of Abraham! How does the Book of Abraham hold up? This is one you don’t want to miss!!!
In this wide-ranging interview, Dr. David Bokovoy talks about his experience trying to build a bridge between contemporary Bible scholarship and the Religious Education Department at BYU. *SPOILER ALERT* BYU wasn’t interested.
Closing music by The Dead Cowboys!
This is Lecture 10 in my twelve-lecture Institute class on Defending the Faith taught at the University of Texas at Austin in the spring semester of 1989. In this class I show how to use the Bible to confute Born Again Christians who believe salvation is by grace alone!
Tonight we sit down with Born Again Mormon superstar Shawn McCraney and find out what makes him tick! This interview packs a lot into 90-minutes! (***Listener Warning for some mildly salty language–Shawn is a bad influence on me.)
RFM gives a rundown of the fallout apologists have been experiencing due to the Robert Ritner interviews! On top of that, three examples are given of the games apologists play in defending the Book of Abraham!
Many Latter-day Saints are leaving the Church over issues relating to the Book of Abraham. In this special fireside, I talk about the most commonly heard criticisms of the Book of Abraham, and how faithful LDS scholars respond to them. This fireside is a must-listen for anyone with questions about the Book of Abraham.
Dr. Kerry Muhlestein, BYU Egyptologist apologist for the Book of Abraham, has finally responded to our invitation to have him and Dr. John Gee on the podcast to show Dr. Robert Ritner where he is wrong. Unfortunately, Dr. Muhlestein and Dr. Gee have declined the invitation. Not because they are scared, mind you, but because that is not the way “true scholars” discuss things. Sit back and enjoy a delightful dismembering of Dr. Muhlestein’s non-response response, as only RFM can!
In a stunning reversal of events, John Gee publicly announces he no longer believes a long-touted evidence for the Book of Abraham is valid! This raises the question, how long has John Gee known this, and why has he been the major proponent of this evidence for decades? After a thorough examination of the evidence, RFM concludes we have to be cautious about taking at face value anything John Gee says about the Book of Abraham.
The amazing Rock Waterman drops by RFM’s underground bunker to talk about what he’s been up to recently, and share some laughs. Fortunately, Rock is a good sport about RFM’s incessant ribbing! Two hours never went by so fast!
John Dehlin and I conclude this historic three-part podcast interviewing Dr. Robert K. Ritner, world famous Egyptologist and former professor of Dr. John Gee of BYU. We cover a lot of ground in this 5 1/2 (!) hour episode, and before we are done, Dr. Ritner gets to finally give his version of the famous (and apparently apocryphal) story circulated by Dr. John Gee as to how Dr. Ritner was “removed” from Dr. Gee’s dissertation committee at Yale. Fasten your seat-belts; it’s going to be a bumpy night!
Now that new research has established the dependency of Joseph Smith’s Bible translation on the Adam Clarke Bible Commentary, RFM launches into a spate of new and additional ideas and inferences that can be drawn from this conclusion. RFM shows how the Adam Clarke Bible Commentary may not only have influenced the JST, but also the Book of Mormon and even the Book of Abraham! That’s the sign post up ahead! Your next stop, The Adam Clarke Connection!
In this episode, Dr. Ritner goes through Facsimiles Two and Three and shows how the actual Egyptian translations do not match those provided by Joseph Smith. We also go into depth on two of the apologists’ favorite arguments; (1) The practice of human sacrifice in ancient Egypt; and, (2) The translation of the four sons of Horus as representing the earth in its four quarters. Facsimile 3 rings the death knell on Joseph Smith’s ability to translate Egyptian.
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT! As you know, Dr. Ritner needs a kidney because his is failing. If you can help, call Dana McClain, Northwestern Medicine Transplant Coordinator, at 312-695-0828. Donors will be given an application asking for Dr. Ritner’s date of birth. It is 05-05-1953. Thanks so much!!! RFM
Dr. Robert K. Ritner is a world renowned Egyptologist and professor of Egyptology at the prestigious Oriental Institute at the University of Chicago. I am honored to have been invited by John Dehlin to engage in a multi-part interview with Dr. Ritner to explore his views on the Book of Abraham; a subject he is uniquely qualified to address. This is part one of that interview.
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT! As you know, Dr. Ritner needs a kidney because his is failing. If you can help, call Dana McClain, Northwestern Medicine Transplant Coordinator, at 312-695-0828. Donors will be given an application asking for Dr. Ritner’s date of birth. It is 05-05-1953. Thanks so much!!! RFM
In their long anticipated and recently released research paper, Haley Wilson-Lemmon and BYU Professor Thomas Wayment demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that Joseph Smith used Adam Clarke’s Bible Commentary in his production of the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible. RFM walks us through each and every one of the seventeen examples set forth in their groundbreaking article! This one is a game changer!
RFM shares his first experience going through the LDS temple endowment!
RFM has a lot of experience teaching at church over the past four decades! He presented some great stories and thoughts on the subject to a special gathering of Denver Snuffer followers in Europe!
Professor Brian Hauglid is recently retired from BYU where he spent 21-years as Professor of Ancient Scripture. The extensive work he has done on the Book of Abraham manuscripts has led him to state publicly that the “scholarship” of Book of Abraham apologists such as John Gee and Kerry Muhlestein is “abhorrent.” Professor Hauglid explains the research that has led him to this conclusion and a changing in his views on the Book of Abraham.
Carol Lynn Pearson, the Poet Laureate of Mormonism, drops by RFM’s underground bunker to chat about her life, her loves, and her latest projects! Prepare yourself for a very special experience!
Paul and Matt are former Mormons who have gone on to become Born Again Christians. RFM talks with them about their journey, answers their questions, and poses some questions of his own. A few of RFM’s questions get somewhat pointed, but Paul and Matt take it in stride and a good time is had by all!
RFM dissects the world-wide young adult devotional given on May 3, 2020 by Elder And Sister Gay. This devotional is a classic study in how the LDS Church gives its members freedom to choose with the right hand while simultaneously taking it away with the left.
Today is the big day when the Utah State Records Committee issued its ruling on RFM’s public disclosure request for the emails directing BYUPD to withhold information relating to the Joseph Bishop rape investigation!
How do LDS Church leaders get the members to do what they are told, while at the same time telling them they are free to choose? RFM digs into the heart of this fascinating subject!
RFM interviews the hosts of Marriage on a Tightrope, Kattie and Allan Mount. Kattie and Allan are in a mixed-faith marriage. Their podcast seeks to help others navigate the sometimes stormy waters of mixed-faith marriages.
RFM compares a personal experience he had in 1985 with the way Joseph Smith practiced plural marriage. It’s hard to escape the fact Joseph abused his power. Badly.
RFM reveals for the first time the contents of an unpublished manuscript. In it, RFM seeks to answer six questions raised by the fact the Book of Mormon teaches salvation by grace! Several surprising discoveries are made along the way!
Does the Book of Mormon teach something about salvation entirely different from what the modern LDS Church teaches? This is one you don’t want to miss!
RFM makes a number of important announcements and goes over a fistful of messages from listeners spanning the past two years!
RFM takes a deep dive into Ezra Taft Benson’s classic talk. And comes up with a pearl or two for listeners!
Today concludes RFM’s discussion with Jonathan Streeter on the subject of Joseph Smith’s polygamy–and the lengths some apologists will go to in order to try and justify it!
RFM continues his historic discussion with Jonathan Streeter about Joseph Smith’s polygamy; and the defenses apologists use to try to justify it!
Today was the appeal hearing before the Utah State Records Committee. RFM has doggedly been pursuing release of emails between Brigham Young University and the BYU Police Department. These emails likely contain directives to the police to not release certain information contained in their reports damaging to BYU and the LDS Church. The Committee made their ruling at the end of the hearing. I won’t spoil the surprise by revealing it here! Let’s just say the Committee did not deny RFM’s appeal!
RFM joins the fabulous Jonathan Streeter (and Yugio!) to investigate the best documented plural marriage of Joseph Smith. In the process, they manage to pick apart the most common defenses for Joseph’s polygamy put forward by Mormon apologists!
I gave this talk in sacrament meeting back in 2008. No wonder it was the last time I was asked to speak!
The good news is the First Presidency issued a letter announcing a tithing refund! The bad news is the letter’s a fake. What can we learn from this? RFM takes us on a deep dive!
RFM tells the story of a long-time friend named Sue. Sue was a happy Mormon wife and mother . . .until her husband starting collecting wives. This is one you don’t want to miss!
I want to dedicate today’s episode to my first dance teacher, Mr. Robert Smith, who passed away two years ago today. Thank you for being such an important influence in my life, Mr. Smith. I miss you. We all miss you.
Why did the Chinese government shanghai President Nelson’s announcement of a new temple on the mainland? RFM does some sleuthing to find out!
RFM digs deeper into how magic theory can illuminate our understanding of how it is Joseph Smith was able to perform the magical feat of translating The Book of Mormon out of a hat!
RFM was interviewed by John Larsen ten years ago on his epic podcast, “Mormon Expression.” In commemoration of that historic event, I am pleased to post that memorable interview (with permission) here at Radio Free Mormon!
RFM brings to bear his training as a magician on the translation process of the Book of Mormon. Suddenly, lots of pieces start falling into place! Was this just a magic trick? And has Joseph Smith been fooling people all along even down to the present day? This one is a must-listen!
BREAKING NEWS! Radio Free Mormon presents newly discovered evidence that the LDS Church was involved in a cover-up of critical information relating to the Joseph Bishop–MTC Rape investigation. This is one you won’t want to miss!
Why does President Russell M. Nelson feel compelled to label everything that comes out of his mouth as revelation? RFM digs into the current “revelation revolution” of President Nelson’s administration, and unearths a piece of evidence from 1986 that may shed important light on the subject!
RFM concludes his discussion of the Adam-God Theory. Though officially denounced by the church, the AGT has tentacles that still impact the doctrine and practice of modern Mormonism!
RFM gives a workshop in identifying and dismantling bad apologetics, using the Adam-God Theory as a classic example!
RFM tells how he “crossed paths” with two old friends; friends whose journeys in and out of the church are decidedly different from the road RFM is on. Get ready for a lot of fun and maybe even a few tears. Oh! And the church has another logo!
RFM performs the essay that got him into the podcasting biz! In it, RFM reveals the lengths the LDS Church will go to in order to keep its members from learning about the Adam-God Theory; and that Brigham Young taught it as doctrine for half a century!
RFM does a deep dive into the new proclamation unveiled at the most recent general conference. A comparison with the similar proclamation in 1980 yields surprising results!
RFM warms up in the bull pen for General Conference Review by sharing some great stories and audio from conferences past!
RFM covers a number of issues today, including progression between kingdoms, the new church logo, President Nelson’s calls for fasting and prayer, and the death of common consent. Getting into the weeds has never been so much fun!
RFM concludes his three-part series sharing original research into how the narrative of Jesus’s ministry as recorded in the Book of Mormon contains a surprising degree of literary complexity.
RFM celebrates his 150th episode! Deep gratitude to all of you who have made this possible! Today we continue with RFM’s original research into the Savior’s visit to the Americas as recorded in the Book of Mormon. But first, some important announcements!
RFM shows how clinging to religious convictions in spite of the evidence can tether us to places where we cannot grow or learn. Only by cutting the ties that bind us down can we overcome the gravitational forces in our lives and explore new and amazing vistas. To infinity! And beyond!
RFM presents competing cases for and against the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. You are the jury. What will your verdict be?
RFM dissects the first talk in the most recent General Conference given by Elder M. Russell Ballard on the First Vision. Is Elder Ballard hiding things in plain sight? You decide!
TRIGGER WARNING! RFM tells how he was sexually molested when he was ten years old.
RFM shares a fistful of formative experiences with religion he had growing up. These experiences shaped him into the teenager who accepted Mormonism right after graduating from high school. And perhaps these experiences also shaped him into the man who became . . . Radio Free Mormon.
And now for something completely different! RFM shows us how he uses great literature to deal with the current Corona Virus crisis! Be sure and leave a comment as to whether you like this podcast and would like to see more along this line.
After a two-year legal battle with the BYU Police Department, Radio Free Mormon has finally succeeded in obtaining copies of audio recordings related to their investigation of former MTC President Joseph Bishop for allegedly raping a sister missionary in 1984. This is all of the release in one place.
Click the following link for this video – OUR YOUTUBE VERSION –
https://youtu.be/0nqqSVfPxlo
After a two-year legal battle with the BYU Police Department, Radio Free Mormon has finally succeeded in obtaining copies of audio recordings related to their investigation of former MTC President Joseph Bishop for allegedly raping a sister missionary in 1984. These recordings will be released in three parts. In Part 3, we release three separate recordings of conversations conducted after the BYUPD interview with Joseph Bishop: (1) A phone call between BYUPD and McKenna Denson asking follow up questions; (2) A phone message from McKenna Denson to BYUPD thanking them for their courtesy and professionalism; and, (3) a phone call to BYUPD in which Joseph Bishop supplies more information in addition to what he disclosed during the interview.
After a two-year legal battle with the BYU Police Department, Radio Free Mormon has finally succeeded in obtaining copies of audio recordings related to their investigation of former MTC President Joseph Bishop for allegedly raping a sister missionary in 1984. These recordings will be released in three parts. In Part 2, we release the recording of the interview conducted by BYU Police Department of Joseph Bishop at his home in Arizona in early December, 2017.
After a two-year legal battle with the BYU Police Department, Radio Free Mormon has finally succeeded in obtaining copies of audio recordings related to their investigation of former MTC President Joseph Bishop for allegedly raping a sister missionary in 1984. These recordings will be released in three parts. In Part 1, we release the recording of the criminal complaint made to the BYUPD by Mckenna Denson in early December of 2017.
RFM gives us a few thoughts on the highlights of the April 2020 General Conference that has just concluded. We were told it would be a conference unlike any other. But was it really? Listen to Radio Free Mormon to get his take!
Joyous cries are heard throughout the land as RFM releases the final podcast in his mammoth eight-part series examining October General Conference from 2019! This is definitely one for the record books!
RFM dives into the Sunday morning session of October General Conference, 2019, and spends some time detailing the LDS Church’s love-hate relationship with Native Americans.
RFM keeps crushing General Conference as only he can! Up on the chopping block are talks by all three members of the First Presidency! Care for some tasty McNuggets, anyone?
RFM continues bulldozing his way through General Conference of October 2019. Taking the “Con” out of General Conference is a Radio Free Mormon tradition!
RFM begins his review of the General Conference Women’s Session from October of 2019. There is so much to talk about, he gets only half way through the session! Enjoy! And hey, hey, hey! Let’s be careful out there!
President Nelson announces a day of prayer and fasting to halt the Corona Virus. You just knew RFM was going to be talking about this! Afterward, RFM continues his take-down of October 2019 General Conference. The Conference Center is open and seats are surprisingly plentiful! Come join the fun!
RFM continues his review of highlights from October General Conference of 2019. We even find some more hidden predictions of the Corona Virus. What a blessing it is to have prophets who lead the church!
RFM reviews a few listener comments and starts covering some of the high points from October 2019 General Conference.
Tonight we deal with the amazing way prophets foretold the Corona Virus. Radio Free Mormon does his part to relieve the boredom of those sheltering at home by upping his output of scintillating podcasts.
Bible scholars use tools of textual analysis to identify backdated prophecies. RFM points out several examples in Isaiah, Daniel and the New Testament. Then he uses those same tools on the Book of Mormon. The results are startling!
RFM concludes his 4-part miniseries on Joseph Smith’s translation of the Book of Mormon with a bang! If you like what RFM is presenting, please donate today at radiofreemormon.org! Your contribution keeps Radio Free Mormon broadcasting behind enemy lines!
RFM blows the lid off the church essay on Book of Mormon translation. The essay uses two quotes from Oliver Cowdery to support the dominant narrative. But when RFM digs deeper into these two quotes, the wheels start coming off the wagon!
Radio Free Mormon continues his investigation of the events surrounding the translation of the Book of Mormon. This episode is cram packed with new insights and fascinating discoveries!
Tonight we begin a fascinating investigation of how Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon. This is one you won’t want to miss!
We conclude our discussion of the Mormon Doctrine of Deity, spending a good chunk of the class on showing how the Bible teaches the LDS doctrine that men (and women) can become gods. We even find a bit of room at the end for a discussion of polygamy! Radio Free Mormon, Defender of the Faith, strikes again!
RFM packs into one podcast a number of ideas revolving around the common theme of apostasy. 1. Is one an apostate for believing some church teachings while rejecting other contradictory church teachings? 2. What is the true definition of “apostasy” in the church? 3. Is the LDS Church itself in apostasy? “I love the smell of napalm in the morning!”
The Mormon world was recently rocked when it was discovered a brand new church manual contains racist teachings from a former prophet.
Special guests Bill Reel and Jonathan Streeter join RFM to discuss the controversy.
This is one for the record books!
RFM flew to Utah to give a special presentation at the St. George Post-Mormon Group on January 12, 2020.
This is the audio of that presentation, together with a lengthy and lively Q&A session afterward.
I had a blast! Special thanks to everybody who showed up!
This lecture from my 1989 Institute Class, “Defending the Faith,” demonstrates conclusively that the LDS Doctrine of Deity, though unusual in many respects, is completely vindicated by the Holy Bible!
Tonight we take a look at the church essay on race and the priesthood.
Radio Free Mormon style!
Today Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel work together to discuss the multiple facets of the recent breaking story that the LDS Church has 100 billion dollars stockpiled in Ensign Peak Advisers, and investment arm of the Church. We listed all the resources of this shared in this podcast below.
RESOURCES:
7 minute synopsis of the issue
PDF “Letter to an IRS Director
Original Washington Post breaking this story
Religion Unplugged breaking the story
Newsweek’s coverage of the Whistle Blower’s motives
President Q12 Boyd K Packer being declined Access to EPA Financials
Website declaring the actual EPA value at 124 Billion
LDS owned KUTV sharing quotes that the Church did something wrong
President Nelson Advice to avoid God’s vengeance on the day of burning
Wayback Machine Elder Anderson’s “We are not a wealthy people”
Thomas Monson as a spokesman for “Beneficial life insurance”
President Nelson promising tithing as a way to get out of poverty
Old Lorenzo Snow video of his tithing visit to St George Utah
Presiding Bishop H. David Burton and City Creek Mall
Church Newsroom Response to this story breaking
“If paying tithing means that you can’t pay for water or electricity, pay tithing. If paying tithing means that you can’t pay your rent, pay tithing. Even if paying tithing means that you don’t have enough money to feed your family, pay tithing. The Lord will not abandon you.” – Quote 1 to pay tithing before feeding children
One day during those difficult times, I heard my parents discussing whether they should pay tithing or buy food for the children. On Sunday, I followed my father to see what he was going to do. After our Church meetings, I saw him take an envelope and put his tithing in it. That was only part of the lesson. The question that remained for me was what we were going to eat. – Quote 2 on paying tithing before feeding your children
Among those who do not sacrifice there are two extremes: one is the rich, gluttonous man who won’t and the other is the poor, destitute man who believes he can’t. But how can you ask someone who is starving to eat less? Is there a level of poverty so low that sacrifice should not be expected or a family so destitute that paying tithing should cease to be required? Faith isn’t tested so much when the cupboard is full as when it is bare. In these defining moments, the crisis doesn’t create one’s character—it reveals it. The crisis is the test. – Quote 3 on paying tithing before feeding oneself adequately
“I repeat that the Church is frequently spoken of as an institution of great wealth. When all is said and done, the Church is wealthy only in the faith of its people. One of the expressions of that faith is the payment of tithing. The Church is spoken of as an institution with great business interests. The income from those business properties would keep the Church going for only a very short time.” – President Gordon B Hinckley – https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/gordon-b-hinckley/widows-mite/
Furthermore, I want to say to you, we may not be able to reach it right away, but we expect to see the day when we will not have to ask you for one dollar of donation for any purpose, except that which you volunteer to give of your own accord, because we will have tithes sufficient in the storehouse of the Lord to pay everything that is needful for the advancement of the kingdom of God. I want to live to see that day, if the Lord will spare my life. It does not make any difference, though, so far as that is concerned, whether I live or not. That is the true policy, the true purpose of the Lord in the management of the affairs of His Church. – Quote on Tithing ending once the Church had sufficient funds
RFM shares stories from Christmas past!
Radio Free Mormon style!
More and more evidence is accumulating that shows Joseph Smith’s translations are actually a cobbling together of contemporary sources.
Faithful LDS scholars try to account for this by bending the word “translation” into a thousand fantastic shapes.
This is their story.
In his most recent book, noted scholar Terryl Givens gives us a fistful of reasons to suspect he is a subversive influence on the LDS Church. And that’s just in the first chapter!
How far would you go to prove the LDS Church true? Would you make an argument that you knew was contradicted by the evidence? Would you feel safe doing so because the evidence that would prove you wrong was hidden away where nobody else could find it? Joseph Fielding Smith would. And did! This is the story.
Lecture 7 wraps up my discussion of commonly heard criticisms against Joseph Smith.
Included is part of a fiery sermon by a local Church of Christ minister, as well as a remarkable spiritual experience.
If you are troubled by anti-Mormons that go bump in the night, who you gonna call? Radio Free Mormon, Defender of the Faith!
I had a blast talking with John Dehlin on Mormon Stories!
There are seven parts to this interview covering a wide array of issues.
In this last part, I make some concluding observations and comments.
I had a blast talking with John Dehlin on Mormon Stories!
There are seven parts to this interview covering a wide array of issues.
In this part, I answer questions from listeners.
I had a blast talking with John Dehlin on Mormon Stories!
There are seven parts to this interview covering a wide array of issues.
In this part, I talk about the genesis of Radio Free Mormon.
I had a blast talking with John Dehlin on Mormon Stories!
There are seven parts to this interview covering a wide array of issues.
In this part, I talk about my faith transition.
I had a blast talking with John Dehlin on Mormon Stories!
There are seven parts to this interview covering a wide array of issues.
In this part, I talk about my Mormon scholarship.
I had a blast talking with John Dehlin on Mormon Stories!
There are seven parts to this interview covering a wide array of issues.
In this part, I talk about my days as a Mormon apologist.
I had a blast talking with John Dehlin on Mormon Stories!
There are seven parts to this interview covering a wide array of issues.
In this part, I talk about my conversion to the LDS Church.
Tonight, Radio Free Mormon shares some personal stories about close encounters with the dark forces of the supernatural.
Don’t listen to this episode alone!
Lila Tueller is the daughter of Hartman Rector, Jr.
Lila talks about what it was like growing up with a famous General Authority for a father, and how her faith journey ultimately led her out of the LDS church.
Lecture 6 covers commonly heard criticisms of the prophecies of Joseph Smith.
If you are troubled by anti-Mormons that go bump in the night, who you gonna call?
Radio Free Mormon, Defender of the Faith!
Professor Patrick Mason sits down for an interview with Bill Reel and Radio Free Mormon.
We delve into how Professor Mason deals with thorny issues in Mormonism.
Professor Mason is not afraid of the tough questions.
Tonight Radio Free Mormon explores the idea of exaltation in the LDS Church. RFM shows how this relatively simple concept becomes more and more complicated the more we examine it. Ultimately it is on the floor in tatters. This is . . . the Exaltation Complication!
This podcast squeezes in a ton of spiritual nuggets from last General Conference.
Fast paced and engaging, this is one you won’t want to miss!
Does God answer all the prayers of his righteous children? Church leaders say yes. Tonight, Radio Free Mormon puts this claim under the microscope, and also shares some personal stories dealing with the issue.
In a recent BYU speech, President Nelson explained the background behind the 2015 Policy of Exclusion and its reversal 3 1/2 years later.
How well did President Nelson do?
Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel give you their take.
This is the one you’ve been waiting for!
Tonight Radio Free Mormon tells us all about his meeting with the stake president.
This is gonna be one for the record books!
Elder Snow is the outgoing head of the Church History Department.
He was recently interviewed by two reporters on the Salt Lake Tribune’s podcast, “Mormon Land.”
In this interview, Elder Snow made some surprising and revealing statements.
Tonight, Radio Free Mormon does an in depth analysis of the Elder Snow interview.
This is gonna be good!
RESOURCES:
Mormon Land Interview
Radio Free Mormon was neck-deep in Mormon apologetics during the 1980s.
At the apex of his apologetic career, RFM presented a 12-lecture series as an Institute class in the spring of 1989.
This is the fifth lecture in that series.
Lecture Five deals largely with Joseph Smith’s early involvement in folk magic.
This was a hot-button issue of the day.
Even as an apologist, RFM was not afraid of dealing with the difficult issues!
Return with us now to those thrilling days of yesteryear.
Radio Free Mormon rides again!
Radio Free Mormon is joined by Bill Reel for this in-depth discussion of Elder Tad Callister’s recent video, “A Case for the Book of Mormon.”
Join us for this 20,000 foot view of Mormon apologetics.
Radio Free Mormon style!
Radio Free Mormon is joined by Bill Reel for this in-depth discussion of Elder Tad Callister’s recent video, “A Case for the Book of Mormon.”
Join us for this 20,000 foot view of Mormon apologetics.
Radio Free Mormon style!
This podcast contains the complete audio of my presentation at Sunstone on August 2, 2019.
Thank you so much to everybody who showed up!
I had a great time and I hope you did, too!
I have the most intelligent and thoughtful listenership of any podcast out there!
You are the best!!!
Radio Free Mormon’s last podcast dealing with young Mormon apologist Kwaku El has been getting a LOT of attention!
RFM is releasing this special edition podcast to answer some questions that have been raised relating to that podcast, and to clarify some additional issues.
Ultimately, however, RFM puts Kwaku squarely on the horns of a dilemma.
Will Kwaku admit to being Kwaku the Deceiver, or merely Kwaku the Deceived?
The ball is now in Kwaku’s court!
Kwaku El is one of the rising generation of young Mormon apologists.
In a recent video, Kwaku attempts to prove the Book of Abraham is true.
But in doing so, Kwaku employs a well known apologetic trick; well known to Radio Free Mormon, at least.
In fact, Radio Free Mormon publicly exposed this very apologetic trick in a podcast published seven months BEFORE Kwaku posted his video.
Some tricks need to be retired from the apologist playbook.
This is one of them.
RESOURCES:
Radio Free Mormon – Book of Abraham Part 1
Radio Free Mormon – Book of Abraham Part 2
Radio Free Mormon – Book of Abraham Part 3
The Book of Abraham Explained as simply as possible
Tonight, Radio Free Mormon shows how the LDS Church continues to hide its history.
He first gives a whirlwind tour of the four primary accounts of Joseph Smith’s First Vision.
RFM then looks at the new church history titled “Saints” and exposes the contortions the authors go through in order to tell a faith promoting account of the First Vision without ever mentioning the contradictions between the various accounts.
In order to see how the LDS Church continues to hide its history, we have to be as conversant with the different First Vision accounts as are the church historians who gloss over the differences and contradictions in “Saints.”
It takes a thief to catch a thief.
And Radio Free Mormon definitely catches the church historians off first base in their creative, if not deceptive, recounting of Joseph Smith’s First Vision!
Radio Free Mormon devotes an entire class period to an in depth defense of the different accounts of Joseph Smith’s First Vision.
You won’t want to miss this one!
Radio Free Mormon continues with the third lecture from his Institute class from spring of 1989 on Defending the Faith.
Lecture Three completes the discussion commenced in Lecture Two about how to respond to commonly heard criticisms of the Book of Mormon.
Anybody who wants to be able to defend the Book of Mormon against the critics should give this episode a listen!
Radio Free Mormon will be presenting a Face to Face Devotional at the Sunstone Symposium, Friday, August 2, 2019 at 3:45 p.m.
You are invited to submit any questions you want in the comment section below.
Please listen to the podcast for additional details and ground rules.
I look forward to seeing you at Sunstone!
In this podcast, Radio Free Mormon documents the facts leading to the conclusion that the BYU Police Department is refusing to release information damaging to the LDS Church. This is information that no police agency, acting on its own, would normally try to hide. Because of this, in a second round of public disclosure requests, RFM wants copies of documentation relating to who is making these decisions to not release this information . . . and why. Unsurprisingly, the BYUPD is refusing to release this information, as well. Looks like we are headed back to the Utah State Records Committee on appeal! Listen in on everything that has been going on behind the scenes, and why it is RFM is scheduled to have his case heard by the Utah State Records Committee on September 12, 2019.
After all this back and forth with Dan Peterson, RFM was motivated to take a second look at the circumstances of the 1835 First Vision account. After all, Mr. Peterson, the artful dodger of Mormon Apologetics did say “Is it possible that Elder Joseph Fielding Smith… sat on one or more unpublished First Vision accounts? Yes, it is.” So with that RFM takes a look at why the 1835 First Vision accounts was missing essentially just as long as the 1832 account.
RFM tackles President Nelson’s seeming embellishment of his life and role as LDS President and Prophet. RFm uses three examples from recent history and shows that Nelson has little issue with adding extra details or removing others in order to add a “miracle-like” perception to his life and experiences.
RFM today tackles the fact that not only was the 1832 account (6 pages) excised by someone within the Church History Department of the LDS Church and stored away for decades but that in fact there are another 16 pages that were also cut out and never returned and missing to this day.
Resources:
RFM having seen Dan Peterson post not one but two blog posts in response to RFM episode #69, revisits Dan obfuscation around having been dishonest about the suppression of First Vision accounts and how Dan is trying to help his loyal followers make sense of his words.
Radio Free Mormon speaks about the 1 year anniversary of his episode #33 Selling Your Soul for Apologetics…………. And you won’t want to miss this. It involves Kiwi57, Stephen “Bukkake” Smoot, and of course our dear friend Daniel C. Peterson.
In the previous Episode #33 RFM made it clear that Daniel C Peterson had lied but also that Dan had indeed added multiple other lies and obfuscations on top to buffer him from being accountable to his deception. But good ole’ Dan was clear he had not lied and he would in his own good time respond and clear his name…….. And here we are, 1 year later…… and no response yet!
Today RFM and Bill Reel take time to evaluate the latest events in the McKenna Denson case. Namely Poisoned Orange Juice, A car in flames, and a two attacker assault as well as Mike Norton’s recent tirade expose of McKenna’s past. While McKenna’s past has always been known to be checkered, the recent events raised questions about whether it was McKenna herself who was tainting her own OJ, lighting her own car ablaze, and receiving injuries from her own actions rather than assailants many in the critical thinking Mormon arena are suddenly taking a second look at her past infractions and beginning to see a pattern of a grifter and scam artist who is up to the same old tricks which only serve to dismantle what little credibility she had left.
RFM today attempts to start his General Conference review but only gets as far as the first talk he examines…. Elder Soares talk from Saturday Morning. At this point RFM is stopped in his tracks as he encounters a flooding of connections and thoughts related to how Mormons are trained to sacrifice their authenticity in order to always make the Church look good through faking happiness, faking competency, faking family life, faking joy at the gospel and service within it. Faking Faking Faking. So today Radio Free Mormon goes off the rails to address WHY MORMONS ARE SO FAKE!
Today RFM tackles part two of his time as an apologist for the faith. How Young RFM was intimately aware of the “Anti-Mormon” material and even taught a 12 week course on Mormon Apologetics. He recorded those 12 weeks of conversation on cassette tape.And today you get the chance to listen to Part 2.
Today RFM tells you his early history as an apologist for the faith. How even as a Young man he was intimately aware of the “Anti-Mormon” material and even taught a 12 week course on Mormon Apologetics…….. Really cool surprise in this episode. He recorded those 12 weeks of conversation on cassette tape……. Now Where are those cassettes and what happened to them. Your about to find out!!!!
Todays Episode of Radio Free Mormon has RFM reaching out personally to the Strengthening Church Members Committee. You heard that right. RFM picked up the phone and called Elder Dyches of the Seventy and a member of the strengthening Church Members Committee to see what they might tell him about his file there and what the Church had on him. In the end this secret organization told RFM way more than they got about its anonymous caller on the other end of their line. This episode also features the closing song by Weird Alma
From Deep down in the bunker “Behind Enemy Lines” RFM tackles the recent dismantling of its November 2015 LGBT Policy. RFM in his unique fashion does a dismantling of his own showing That LDS President, Russel M Nelson has once and for all shown he has not only no access to god, but that he can’t tell a revelation from a hole in the ground.
Resources:
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2019/04/04/lds-church-dumps-its/
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2019/04/19/commentary-lgbtq-issues/
https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/letters/2019/04/18/letter-lds-church-still/
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/07/710781508/reacting-to-the-lds-churchs-latest-lgbt-policy-change
nytimes.com/2019/04/04/us/lds-church-lgbt.html
https://www.lds.org/pages/church-handbook-changes?lang=eng
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mormon-leader-says-policy-against-gay-marriage-was-word-from-god/
https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/president-nelson-handbook-change
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2019/04/10/mormon-land-lds-churchs/
https://kutv.com/news/local/lds-apostle-policy-on-same-sex-couples-revelation-from-god
Today RFM sits down with Bill Reel to discuss his time in FairMormon as way into seeing how FairMormon operates. They discuss How Bill was recruited to be part of FairMormon, what his involvement was including FairMormon winning the 2013 Podcast Awards with Bill being a heavy contributor to their podcast that year. What all went into their falling out and how FairMormon operates behind the scenes.
Today Radio Free Mormon share with us the “Pharisee Phenomenon” as found in the LDS Church. Running through 12 examples where all the fun lies. RFM shows us what it means to be pharisaical in the LDS Church. Its not everyday you get to explore LDS Leaders practicing or advocating strict observance of external forms and ceremonies of religion or conduct without regard to the spirit. Part 3 of 3
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Today Radio Free Mormon share with us the “Pharisee Phenomenon” as found in the LDS Church. Running through 12 examples where all the fun lies. RFM shows us what it means to be pharisaical in the LDS Church. Its not everyday you get to explore LDS Leaders practicing or advocating strict observance of external forms and ceremonies of religion or conduct without regard to the spirit.
Today Radio Free Mormon share with us the “Pharisee Phenomenon” as found in the LDS Church. Running through 12 examples where all the fun lies. RFM shows us what it means to be pharisaical in the LDS Church. Its not everyday you get to explore LDS Leaders practicing or advocating strict observance of external forms and ceremonies of religion or conduct without regard to the spirit.
Today on Radio Free Mormon RFM and Bill Reel dissect the talk Stand Forever, given on the 22nd of January 2019 by Elder Lawrence Corbridge, a member of the Seventy of the LDS Church. Several Major Points come out
– Elder Corbridge seems to have had a level of faith crisis himself while on assignment from the Leadership to dig into “antagonistic material” regarding the Church.
-His gloom while claimed not to be Cognitive Dissonance (Belief Bias) and instead to be the absence of the Holy Ghost is irrational and illogical.
– The LDS Flow Chart regardless of your experience leads to the Church being true. If you get an answer that the Church is true, then the Church is true. If you get an answer that the Church isn’t true, you’ve been deceived and the Church is true. If you get no answer, you are to rely on the words of others who know the Church is true because the Church is true. If you decide the problematic issues (Secondary Questions) impose the Church isn’t true, then shift your focus to the the Primary Questions which you already decided point to the Church is true, because the Church is true. All Roads lead to the Church is true. The Church has given you no viable formula to arrive at the Church is false.
– Elder Corbridge argues that the Divine method (Spiritual Feelings) trumps the Scientific Method, the Analytical Method, and the Academic Method (actual science) in spite of the Divine Method being historically demonstrably less effective at arriving at truth. Even Prophets when allowing the Divine Method to trump the Other three have been led to great error decades on end.
– The reason the Divine Method is held up as superior and trumps the other three because the other three if allowed to be given their weight all lead the honest seeker of truth out of the Church. Meanwhile the Divine method is the only method the Church can use to manipulate the person who wants the Church to be true to believe it is true.
– And they finish speaking to how much of his own faith crisis Elder Corbridge has exposed within his talk.
RESOURCES:
https://www.lds.org/church/leader/lawrence-e-corbridge?lang=eng
https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/lawrence-corbridge_stand-for-ever/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_bias
http://mormonprimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/MormonPrimer7.pdf
Today on Radio Free Mormon RFM and Bill Reel dissect the talk Stand Forever, given on the 22nd of January 2019 by Elder Lawrence Corbridge, a member of the Seventy of the LDS Church. Several Major Points come out
– Elder Corbridge seems to have had a level of faith crisis himself while on assignment from the Leadership to dig into “antagonistic material” regarding the Church.
-His gloom while claimed not to be Cognitive Dissonance (Belief Bias) and instead to be the absence of the Holy Ghost is irrational and illogical.
– The LDS Flow Chart regardless of your experience leads to the Church being true. If you get an answer that the Church is true, then the Church is true. If you get an answer that the Church isn’t true, you’ve been deceived and the Church is true. If you get no answer, you are to rely on the words of others who know the Church is true because the Church is true. If you decide the problematic issues (Secondary Questions) impose the Church isn’t true, then shift your focus to the the Primary Questions which you already decided point to the Church is true, because the Church is true. All Roads lead to the Church is true. The Church has given you no viable formula to arrive at the Church is false.
– Elder Corbridge argues that the Divine method (Spiritual Feelings) trumps the Scientific Method, the Analytical Method, and the Academic Method (actual science) in spite of the Divine Method being historically demonstrably less effective at arriving at truth. Even Prophets when allowing the Divine Method to trump the Other three have been led to great error decades on end.
– The reason the Divine Method is held up as superior and trumps the other three because the other three if allowed to be given their weight all lead the honest seeker of truth out of the Church. Meanwhile the Divine method is the only method the Church can use to manipulate the person who wants the Church to be true to believe it is true.
– And they finish speaking to how much of his own faith crisis Elder Corbridge has exposed within his talk.
RESOURCES:
https://www.lds.org/church/leader/lawrence-e-corbridge?lang=eng
https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/lawrence-corbridge_stand-for-ever/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_bias
http://mormonprimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/MormonPrimer7.pdf
Today RFM tackles Elder Oaks suggestion that in helping a doubting spouse overcome their doubt, that research is not the answer.
RFM walks us through his own journey in the Church showing us that the LDS Church prior to the internet age encouraged its members to be scripturians and Doctrinares. RFM Shows us that when research was an impetus to faith, Research was the answer…… And only once the internet age hit and Research became a detriment to faith that the Church is revising its approach to Research is NOT the Answer.
RESOURCES:
https://www.lds.org/church/news/president-oaks-counsels-young-couples-defending-the-gospel-on-the-frontline-?lang=eng
https://thirdhour.org/blog/faith/president-oaks-criticism-research-is-not-the-answer/
https://bycommonconsent.com/2019/02/05/research-is-not-the-answer/
Today we tackle the Elder and Sister Renlund Devotional from January 13th 2019. We dissect the Renlunds two parables and their commentary about doubts and those who have them. Along the way we tackle their comparing the Church to a Dilapidated Dinghy as well as their concept of Church Wack-A-Mole. This is a three part series and we hope you enjoy!!!
Today we tackle the Elder and Sister Renlund Devotional from January 13th 2019. We dissect the Renlunds two parables and their commentary about doubts and those who have them. Along the way we tackle their comparing the Church to a Dilapidated Dinghy as well as their concept of Church Wack-A-Mole. This is a three part series and we hope you enjoy!!!
Today we tackle the Elder and Sister Renlund Devotional from January 13th 2019. We dissect the Renlunds two parables and their commentary about doubts and those who have them. Along the way we tackle their comparing the Church to a Dilapidated Dinghy as well as their concept of Church Wack-A-Mole. This is a three part series and we hope you enjoy!!!
Radio Free Mormon with 50 episodes in the rear view mirror initiates a conversation about the ground that has been covered in the first 50 episodes and where the potential is for things to talk about going forward. He also uses this moment to share an update on the Mckenna Denson case.
RFM and Bill Reel take on the recent Temple changes and dissect the historical context of these changes, why these changes indicate regardless of how Leaders want them portrayed, and tackle the blatant lying in the First Presidency Statement.
RESOURCES:
2019 Temple Changes
Historical Overview of Temple Changes
Oath to Avenge the Blood of the Prophet
Temple Cursings of Government Leaders (Start on Page 15)
First Presidency Statement
Today we explore the Book of Abraham in Radio Free Mormon Style. Bill Reel once again joins us and we proceed to lay out the following.
– Brief overview of the History of the Book of Abraham
– Why the critics say it is problematic
– What workarounds apologists have created to deal with those criticisms
– Why those workarounds are dead ends
– Evidences Apologists share
– Why those evidences have little credibility
– How the Church is adapting to the Problems
REASONS THE MISSING SCROLL THEORY DOES NOT WORK:
– We know because of Abraham 1:12 and 1:14 itself points to Facsimile 1 and the very text in the papyri following it as the source text of the book of Abraham
– We know from the Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar document that if we choose to be rational and logical the most reasonable interpretation of that document is that it represents Joseph Smith’s translation of The Book of Abraham.
– An early Egyptologist named Gustavus Seyffarth viewed the missing papyrus in 1856 and described only the Hor text and Facsimile 3. He gave no indication of another text on the scroll, and in fact explicitly denied that the scroll contained a record of Abraham.
– Klaus Baer predicted that the missing portion of the Hor text would be around sixty centimeters. Others who have attempted the estimate of the missing length agreed almost exactly with Baer’s estimate.
In the end a Missing Scroll theory is simply a Red Herring. Why we know that a missing scroll does not matter? We know where Joseph was translating and it was on the existing papyri. There is a set of documents that the church has always had in its possession commonly referred to as the “Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar” by Joseph Smith. Most of us remember hearing a little bit about it growing up in the church but not really knowing what it was. It was only briefly and rarely mentioned in church. With the discovery of the missing papyri in 1966, critics claim that these documents show a definite link between the papyri and the actual text of the Book of Abraham. The manuscript is in the handwriting of William W. Phelps and Warren Parrish, scribes to Joseph Smith, Jr. It is a bound book with handwriting on 34 pages with about 184 blank pages remaining throughout the book. There are characters in a left hand column with English explanations to the right. Original in LDS archives. There are 4 pages in Joseph Smith’s handwriting.
REASONS THE CATALYST THEORY DOES NOT WORK:
– The Times and Seasons with Joseph Smith as Editor along with Mormonism’s heading to the Pearl of Great Price in the past claimed the papyri was the writings of Abraham.
– The Times and Seasons with Joseph Smith as Editor along with Mormonism’s heading to the Pearl of Great Price in the past claimed it was written by Abraham’s own hand. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for misleading Smith about the identity of the author of the papyri characters.
– Joseph and his scribes wrote down the very symbols from the papyri we have along with a proposed meaning of those hieroglyphics and symbols in a document named Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar indicating strongly a literal translation.
– Joseph Smith‘s translation and restoration of the facsimiles was incorrect. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for instructing Smith to incorrectly translate and restore the facsimiles.
– The text of the Book of Abraham itself (1:12 and 1:14) declares that the source of the Book of Abraham has the Facsimile 1 fragment at its commencement, which is the Breathing Permit of Hor. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for instructing Smith to record verses in the Book of Abraham that incorrectly refer to the Facsimile 1 fragment.
– The Small Sensen (Breathing Permit of Hor) characters are copied in order into the manuscripts where they are translated into the Book of Abraham. Therefore, Smith‘s own manuscripts indicate that the source of the Book of Abraham is the Small Sensen. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for misleading Smith to believe that the source of the Book of Abraham was the Small Sensen.
– The Egyptian Alphabets end with two characters which appear in the manuscripts as the beginning of the Small Sensen and which translate into Abraham 1:1. Therefore, the Egyptian Alphabets indicate that the source of the Book of Abraham is the Small Sensen. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for misleading Smith to believe that the source of the Book of Abraham was the Small Sensen.
RESOURCES:
Book Of Abraham conundrum simplified – https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/04/My-Concerns-Book-of-Abraham-1.pdf
Brian Hauglid on Mormon Discussion – https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/2015/01/brian-hauglid-the-book-of-abraham/
MormonThink Translation and Historicity Issues – http://www.mormonthink.com/essays-book-of-abraham.htm
MormonThink Book of Abraham – http://www.mormonthink.com/book-of-abraham-issues.htm
Episode Links:
Muhlestein lying about Abraham on the Lion Couch – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLbFpWlVLx8
John Gee acknowledging he will hold back facts if they could hurt faith – https://www.fairmormon.org/blog/2018/11/06/fairmormon-conference-podcast-17-john-gee-selling-our-birthright-for-a-mess-of-pottage-the-historical-authenticity-of-the-book-of-abraham
Brian Hauglid commenting about his shifted view – https://www.facebook.com/dan.vogel.35/posts/1398006876998582?hc_location=ufi
Robin Scott Jensen on the Book of Abraham – http://www.ldsperspectives.com/2018/11/07/book-of-abraham/
The Best Evidence for the Book of Abraham: Abraham in the Prayer Position – https://archive.org/details/egyptianhierogly01budguoft/page/n103
Dan Vogel’s Videos on the Book of Abraham Pt 1 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtJT_xjIgdM
Dan Vogel’s Videos on the Book of Abraham Pt 2 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcuCf5R7rF4
Dan Vogel’s Videos on the Book of Abraham Pt 3 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEVSEL3K5OE
Dan Vogel’s Videos on the Book of Abraham Pt 4 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64_kNhrwZfA
Dan Vogel’s Videos on the Book of Abraham Pt 5 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CySUdq2fNdQ
Dan Vogel’s Videos on the Book of Abraham Pt 6 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I47ibkJ4QrE
Dan Vogel’s Videos on the Book of Abraham Pt 7 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_7haq-PdjU
Today we explore the Book of Abraham in Radio Free Mormon Style. Bill Reel once again joins us and we proceed to lay out the following.
– Brief overview of the History of the Book of Abraham
– Why the critics say it is problematic
– What workarounds apologists have created to deal with those criticisms
– Why those workarounds are dead ends
– Evidences Apologists share
– Why those evidences have little credibility
– How the Church is adapting to the Problems
REASONS THE MISSING SCROLL THEORY DOES NOT WORK:
– We know because of Abraham 1:12 and 1:14 itself points to Facsimile 1 and the very text in the papyri following it as the source text of the book of Abraham
– We know from the Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar document that if we choose to be rational and logical the most reasonable interpretation of that document is that it represents Joseph Smith’s translation of The Book of Abraham.
– An early Egyptologist named Gustavus Seyffarth viewed the missing papyrus in 1856 and described only the Hor text and Facsimile 3. He gave no indication of another text on the scroll, and in fact explicitly denied that the scroll contained a record of Abraham.
– Klaus Baer predicted that the missing portion of the Hor text would be around sixty centimeters. Others who have attempted the estimate of the missing length agreed almost exactly with Baer’s estimate.
In the end a Missing Scroll theory is simply a Red Herring. Why we know that a missing scroll does not matter? We know where Joseph was translating and it was on the existing papyri. There is a set of documents that the church has always had in its possession commonly referred to as the “Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar” by Joseph Smith. Most of us remember hearing a little bit about it growing up in the church but not really knowing what it was. It was only briefly and rarely mentioned in church. With the discovery of the missing papyri in 1966, critics claim that these documents show a definite link between the papyri and the actual text of the Book of Abraham. The manuscript is in the handwriting of William W. Phelps and Warren Parrish, scribes to Joseph Smith, Jr. It is a bound book with handwriting on 34 pages with about 184 blank pages remaining throughout the book. There are characters in a left hand column with English explanations to the right. Original in LDS archives. There are 4 pages in Joseph Smith’s handwriting.
REASONS THE CATALYST THEORY DOES NOT WORK:
– The Times and Seasons with Joseph Smith as Editor along with Mormonism’s heading to the Pearl of Great Price in the past claimed the papyri was the writings of Abraham.
– The Times and Seasons with Joseph Smith as Editor along with Mormonism’s heading to the Pearl of Great Price in the past claimed it was written by Abraham’s own hand. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for misleading Smith about the identity of the author of the papyri characters.
– Joseph and his scribes wrote down the very symbols from the papyri we have along with a proposed meaning of those hieroglyphics and symbols in a document named Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar indicating strongly a literal translation.
– Joseph Smith‘s translation and restoration of the facsimiles was incorrect. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for instructing Smith to incorrectly translate and restore the facsimiles.
– The text of the Book of Abraham itself (1:12 and 1:14) declares that the source of the Book of Abraham has the Facsimile 1 fragment at its commencement, which is the Breathing Permit of Hor. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for instructing Smith to record verses in the Book of Abraham that incorrectly refer to the Facsimile 1 fragment.
– The Small Sensen (Breathing Permit of Hor) characters are copied in order into the manuscripts where they are translated into the Book of Abraham. Therefore, Smith‘s own manuscripts indicate that the source of the Book of Abraham is the Small Sensen. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for misleading Smith to believe that the source of the Book of Abraham was the Small Sensen.
– The Egyptian Alphabets end with two characters which appear in the manuscripts as the beginning of the Small Sensen and which translate into Abraham 1:1. Therefore, the Egyptian Alphabets indicate that the source of the Book of Abraham is the Small Sensen. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for misleading Smith to believe that the source of the Book of Abraham was the Small Sensen.
RESOURCES:
Book Of Abraham conundrum simplified – https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/04/My-Concerns-Book-of-Abraham-1.pdf
Brian Hauglid on Mormon Discussion – https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/2015/01/brian-hauglid-the-book-of-abraham/
MormonThink Translation and Historicity Issues – http://www.mormonthink.com/essays-book-of-abraham.htm
MormonThink Book of Abraham – http://www.mormonthink
Episode Links:
Muhlestein lying about Abraham on the Lion Couch – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLbFpWlVLx8
John Gee acknowledging he will hold back facts if they could hurt faith – https://www.fairmormon.org/blog/2018/11/06/fairmormon-conference-podcast-17-john-gee-selling-our-birthright-for-a-mess-of-pottage-the-historical-authenticity-of-the-book-of-abraham
Brian Hauglid commenting about his shifted view – https://www.facebook.com/dan.vogel.35/posts/1398006876998582?hc_location=ufi
Robin Scott Jensen on the Book of Abraham – http://www.ldsperspectives.com/2018/11/07/book-of-abraham/
The Best Evidence for the Book of Abraham: Abraham in the Prayer Position – https://archive.org/details/egyptianhierogly01budguoft/page/n103
Dan Vogel’s Videos on the Book of Abraham Pt 1 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtJT_xjIgdM
Dan Vogel’s Videos on the Book of Abraham Pt 2 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcuCf5R7rF4
Dan Vogel’s Videos on the Book of Abraham Pt 3 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEVSEL3K5OE
Dan Vogel’s Videos on the Book of Abraham Pt 4 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64_kNhrwZfA
Dan Vogel’s Videos on the Book of Abraham Pt 5 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CySUdq2fNdQ
Dan Vogel’s Videos on the Book of Abraham Pt 6 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I47ibkJ4QrE
Dan Vogel’s Videos on the Book of Abraham Pt 7 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_7haq-PdjU
President Eyring…. No Not the LDS Apostle but his son Henry J Eyring, recently gave an address at BYUI titled “Gaining and Strengthening a Testimony” where he lays out logical fallacy after logical fallacy in order to justify belief in the Book of Abraham specifically and to deal with the criticisms of the Church collectively. Combine that with his having seemingly developed the same habit of reeling you in with his tears as he cries at the drop of a hat like his father and you can sense why Grandpa Eyring the Scientist is almost assuredly shaking his head in the grave.
Resources:
President Eyring…. No Not the LDS Apostle but his son Henry J Eyring, recently gave an address at BYUI titled “Gaining and Strengthening a Testimony” where he lays out logical fallacy after logical fallacy in order to justify belief in the Book of Abraham specifically and to deal with the criticisms of the Church collectively. Combine that with his having seemingly developed the same habit of reeling you in with his tears as he cries at the drop of a hat like his father and you can sense why Grandpa Eyring the Scientist is almost assuredly shaking his head in the grave.
Resources:
EXCLUSIVE – EXCLUSIVE – Bill Reel’s Disciplinary Council The Recording – EXCLUSIVE – EXCLUSIVE
Radio Free Mormon shares that he has received the audio recording of Bill Reel’s Disciplinary Council. The audio quality has issues but a transcript has been included HERE to make it easier to know what is being said.
If anyone can improve this transcript please email those improvements along with a time stamp to MormonDicussionsPodcasts@gmail.com and to the attention of Radio Free Mormon
Resources: links on website
Transcript of Bill Reel’s Disciplinary Council
RFM takes on a Radio Free Mormon After Dark interview with Bill Reel regarding his upcoming Disciplinary Council. The interview dissects all of Bill’s interactions with Leaders from Stake Presidents to Church Historians to Prophets, Seers, and Revelators. RFM also asks Bill to give a run through of his correspondence and conversations that have led up to these Disciplinary Proceedings. Sit back and enjoy as this Episode does more than read a few good books and go to a pretty good school!
In the spirit of Halloween, Radio Free Mormon today sheds light on Joseph Smith’s treasure Digging by setting the details of Joseph Smith’s Treasure Digging next to the eerie Treasure Digging of John Steinbeck’s Tortilla Flat. RFM takes on the dramatized telling of this John Steinbeck classic. See how many similarities between the treasure digging of Joseph Smith and John Steinbeck literary classic!
Today On Radio Free Mormon, RFM and Bill Reel dissect Elder Oaks October 2018 General Conference talk from Saturday Morning. In this talk Elder Oaks uses logical fallacy after logical fallacy and bad argument after bad argument in defending his Anti-Science prejudice and his Anti-LGBT bigotry. This 15 minute minute talk was a brilliant attempt to entrench the Church in stances that simply don’t hold up to the data and facts. Elder Oaks arguments are full of holes and unlike Ensign Blair’s ship, this vessel of a talk sinks faster by the minute.
Today On Radio Free Mormon, RFM and Bill Reel dissect Elder Oaks October 2018 General Conference talk from Saturday Morning. In this talk Elder Oaks uses logical fallacy after logical fallacy and bad argument after bad argument in defending his Anti-Science prejudice and his Anti-LGBT bigotry. This 15 minute minute talk was a brilliant attempt to entrench the Church in stances that simply don’t hold up to the data and facts. Elder Oaks arguments are full of holes and unlike Ensign Blair’s ship, this vessel of a talk sinks faster by the minute.
Today Radio Free Mormon offers a prediction for General Conference using a quote by Elder Cook from a recent General Conference. Elder Cook strangely imposed that Mormons will in fact always be “Small in number” due to “wickedness in the world”. This seemed odd in light of you and me and everyone else having grown up with a Mormonism where dynamic Growth was told to us to be an indicator of the truthfulness of the Church. As RFM goes to into detail to prove…. such seemed like blatant “Gaslighting“. And RFM postulates that if this is the new narrative of the Church that they will need to reiterate such on more than one occasion including this weeks October 2018 General Conference.
Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel get together for a special Episode discussion on Elder Quentin L. Cook’s Face To Face On Church History. While Elder Cook and Church Historians Matt Grow and Kate Holbrook attempt to tell the audience that Church history is faith building and that it can withstand scrutiny, a simple look at what they say and more importantly what they don’t say seems to deeply indicate otherwise. There is even cameo Appearances by Elder Ballard, Church historian Steven Harper, and even a sound blip from the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Sit back and buckle up as we learn that when it comes to Church leaders and the Church’s historians that “Nothin’ from nothin’ leaves nothin'”.
BREAKING NEWS: More information has been forthcoming regarding Ensign Blair’s Miraculous rescue of his Navy Ship in a Typhoon
Today RFM informs NEW additional forthcoming details along with hashing up some old ones…. ha ha ha ha ha ha muaaaahhhhhhhhhh.
Ensign Frank Blair (shown in photo above) told Elder Larry Wilson a miraculous story about his inspired resolution to issues aboard his navy ship in the midst of a typhoon during the Korean War. The trouble is the details of this story are less believable than the tale of the crew of the S.S. Minnow. Below are a list of issues with Ensign Blair’s story.
#1 – his story has a captain leaving the bridge during a typhoon to make way to Ensign Blair’s cabin. This seems to break navy code
#2 – his story has the Captain permitting Ensign Blair to go out on the deck to “gather info” during a typhoon w/ 45′ foot waves. This would be against good judgement and dangerous.
#3 – Notice the reason for the fact finding mission in #3 is made null and void by the fact that Captain and Engineer are already discussing a solution to the problem (their gauges told them the issue) when Ensign Blair shows up to the Bridge. That God in essence sent Ensign Blair on the deck to risk his life to gather info hence discovering a problem the Captain and Engineer already knew. In other words his walking the deck was unnecessary as the gauges on the bridge communicated the same info. The issue was not knowing the problem, but rather deciding a solution. Why would God put Ensign Blair in such unneeded risk to learn something already known?
#4 – Also the newspaper clipping (shown above and dated August 19, 1955) has him serving on the U.S.S. Marion County. While Elder Wilson tells us the Ship has three engines, it actually only has two.
#5.) Ensign Blair claims to see the propellers (also called screws) from the deck after securing himself to the the deck in a typhoon, at night, with 45′ waves. The propellers or screws as they are called are below the boat tucked away from the outside edge. Think through what angle he would have to be at leaning off the side of the boat to see the crews as they come up out of the water in a typhoon. Think about what it would take to secure himself and manually lengthen or shorten the rope he is tied to. This story is absurd and false.( See sketch below)
#6 – While the newspaper (above) tells us Ensign Blair was a Chaplain, Elder Wilson tells us that there was no Chaplain and Ensign Blair, the upright religious sailor that he was, filled in. Who informed the Newspaper that Blair held the officer title of Chaplain? If Ensign Blair himself, then such is a deceptive and dishonest move as to claim a title one did not officially and legitimately hold would raise eyebrows.
#7 – Elder Wilson refers to the propellers as “giant propellers” but as you can see on the image below this style ship had very small propellers, due to the need to get up on land to drop tanks off.
#8 – Elder Wilson starts this story with “During the Korean War”. Except as seen in the newspaper clipping above (which was dated Aug 19, 1955), Ensign Blair did not begin his 2 year military stint until after the Korean War had ended (Korean War ended July 1953).
Taken in its totality…. This faith promoting story from General Conference… well…. It simply didn’t happen. Sorry. God Magic still unconfirmed!!!
Today we dissect the Mormon Channel’s video titled “How to Answer Questions about Church History” hosted by Amy Iverson where she interviews Steven Harper on how he as a Church Historian deals with tough issues within Church history.
You might expect a Church historian who is on such a program due to his immersion and professional understanding of LDS Church History to use Church history to show that the tough questions have solid answers. You might expect him to encourage members who come across a tough issue to dive deeper, to find original sources, or refer them to the Gospel Topic Essays, or at least the Joseph Smith Papers Project as he had a major hand in it. You might expect him pick out a few tough issues and then show how a more informed understanding of Church history helps to sort these issues out. BUT…… As you will see he does anything but this.
– Notice his hesitancy to discuss the specifics of Church history. He seems to, as a Church historian, not want to talk about Church history, and it feels his reason is he senses there is little there to build faith on.
– Notice when asked if Church history has built faith and has resolved his questions he constantly deflects from answering such questions directly and imposes that his testimony is not based in Church history.
– Notice his progression from A.) Questions always resolve themselves B.) We have some questions that are yet unresolved but We have a lot of answers and I have faith the unresolved will yet be resolved. C.) There are both several questions resolved as well as several questions unresolved. D.) I have way more questions than answers and the more I learn Church history, the unresolved questions grow exponentially. and finally where he ends up E.) I hate to burst your bubble but dealing with the data causes us to reconstruct the Church in ways that have our faith in “what the Church is” being similar to how we reconcile Christmas after deconstructing the literalness of Santa Claus.
While Amy imposes that Church history has been, to Steven Harper, “an illumination to his soul”. Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel’s analysis shows it to have been anything but.
In the end it becomes obvious that not only does a Church historian avoid using Church history to resolve concerns, but also that he realizes avoiding Church history is the only way to tackle the difficult questions as to dive into the history is anything but faith promoting.
Today we dissect the Mormon Channel’s video titled “How to Answer Questions about Church History” hosted by Amy Iverson where she interviews Steven Harper on how he as a Church Historian deals with tough issues within Church history.
You might expect a Church historian who is on such a program due to his immersion and professional understanding of LDS Church History to use Church history to show that the tough questions have solid answers. You might expect him to encourage members who come across a tough issue to dive deeper, to find original sources, or refer them to the Gospel Topic Essays, or at least the Joseph Smith Papers Project as he had a major hand in it. You might expect him pick out a few tough issues and then show how a more informed understanding of Church history helps to sort these issues out. BUT…… As you will see he does anything but this.
– Notice his hesitancy to discuss the specifics of Church history. He seems to, as a Church historian, not want to talk about Church history, and it feels his reason is he senses there is little there to build faith on.
– Notice when asked if Church history has built faith and has resolved his questions he constantly deflects from answering such questions directly and imposes that his testimony is not based in Church history.
– Notice his progression from A.) Questions always resolve themselves B.) We have some questions that are yet unresolved but We have a lot of answers and I have faith the unresolved will yet be resolved. C.) There are both several questions resolved as well as several questions unresolved. D.) I have way more questions than answers and the more I learn Church history, the unresolved questions grow exponentially. and finally where he ends up E.) I hate to burst your bubble but dealing with the data causes us to reconstruct the Church in ways that have our faith in “what the Church is” being similar to how we reconcile Christmas after deconstructing the literalness of Santa Claus.
While Amy imposes that Church history has been, to Steven Harper, “an illumination to his soul”. Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel’s analysis shows it to have been anything but.
In the end it becomes obvious that not only does a Church historian avoid using Church history to resolve concerns, but also that he realizes avoiding Church history is the only way to tackle the difficult questions as to dive into the history is anything but faith promoting.
Today, boy do we have a “Whale Of A Tale” for you. First RFM starts us off by explaining how Paul H Dunn of the seventy set a high bar for false faith promoting stories in the Church. Then Radio Free Mormon runs you through the past false faith promoting stories that have come through Mormonism in recent years. And he finishes by laying out the most recent example in Radio Free Mormon fashion, Elder Larry Y. Wilson’s Take the Holy Spirit as Your Guide Where good ole’ Ensign Blair saves the day.
In the LDS Church, we have the Priesthood of God. One of the magnificent things that comes with that Priesthood is the power and authority to call upon God through the laying on of hands in blessing the sick and afflicted to be healed. Healing power is one of the evidences in the LDS Church’s truth claims. And As RFM points out, it appears to be a gift no longer present in the Church. He takes the last General Conference as a prime example and shows that in the 11 cases in conference where surely a Priesthood blessing did or should of taken place, the afflicted individual does not fare to well even with access to God’s Priesthood army. If the game were baseball – People dying would in an offensive onslaught while throwing a no-hitter against those being healed!!!
McKenna Denson found early on that she had someone who believed her story. That person was Radio Free Mormon. From that moment on RFM has sought to help her and all of us get to the bottom of what the Church and the Police continue to hide. No one has helped us understand this story like Radio Free Mormon. And tomorrow morning his 2 part interview with McKenna Denson will release to the general public!!!! On one side RFM asks questions in his lawyerly fashion to get to the bottom of this case, and McKenna tells the story from her mouth. You won’t want to miss this!!!!
Radio Free Mormon—After Dark: The McKenna Denson Interview
McKenna Denson found early on that she had someone who believed her story. That person was Radio Free Mormon. From that moment on RFM has sought to help her and all of us get to the bottom of what the Church and the Police continue to hide. No one has helped us understand this story like Radio Free Mormon. And tomorrow morning his 2 part interview with McKenna Denson will release to the general public!!!! On one side RFM asks questions in his lawyerly fashion to get to the bottom of this case, and McKenna tells the story from her mouth. You won’t want to miss this!!!!
Radio Free Mormon—After Dark: The McKenna Denson Interview
Today is the audio of the hearing of Radio Free Mormon’s case against the redaction of Documents and Audio by the BYU Police in the McKenna Denson case. Enjoy
Radio Free Mormon gives us a short update on where he is on the records appeal for the un-redaction of McKenna Denson’s police report as well as the audio from the audio interview by police of Joseph Bishop
RFM takes issue with the Logical Fallacies, Deceptiveness, and Blatant Lies by LDS Apologist Dan Peterson in his article “Defending the Faith: The supposed scandal of multiple First Vision accounts”. In the article Daniel Peterson goes to great lengths to frame the public awareness of the multiple first vision accounts in a faithful context. Sadly in order to do so, Dan must avoid telling people the problematic details and even go so far as to lie about the history of how and why the 1832 account was obscured for so long. RFM even goes to show using both a personal interaction with Daniel as well as public audio from Elder Holland that obfuscation and dishonesty is par for the course when trying to defend the Church using apologetics.
RESOURCES:
Elder Holland lying and obfuscating with BBC interviewer
Stan Larsen’s Dialogue Article (Absolute Must Read for Latter-Day Saints who want to understand the History of the First Vision Accounts)
Radio Free Mormon updates us on his search for more fully un-redacted records on the Joseph Bishop Sex Abuse scandal updates us on his appeal to BYU Chief of Police Larry Stott. The main focus of this episode centers around BYU’s concerted effort to play the official-ness of their Police Department both ways. When it plays in BYU’s favor, they like to argue they are an extension of the government and when it hurts them, they like to claim to not be a government agency. As a judge seems to recently indicate when dealing with BYU police on the very issue of their compliance with GRAMA laws…. You can’t have your cake and eat it too!!!!
RESOURCES:
Salt Lake Tribune’s article on Upcoming Judge’s ruling on BYU GRAMA case
Radio Free Mormon wanting to ensure listeners are kept up to date on the MTC scandal issues another episode keeping us in the loop. This time RFM helps us make connection to the redacted police report that he has only learned in recent days. Where is he getting this info????? Who knows but we the listeners are the benefactors. This story is full of secrets and RFM Cloak and Dagger approach is going to get to the bottom of it and this is one more step along the way.
Document Resources:
RFM gives us an update into his legal pursuit to un-redact the highly Redacted Provo Police report and to retrieve the Provo Police Audio evidence of their interview with Joseph Bishop. Hot on the trail RFM will not take No for an answer!
Copies of requests and responses thus far
RFM revisits the latest developments in the Joseph Bishop case, including his attempts to further unredact the the Joseph Bishop police interview report, access the Audio interview, His discovery after much work to get his hands on the “David Jordan” LDS Church dossier which was accidentally sent and used by Greg Bishop both father and legal council for Joseph Bishop….. as well as his behind the scenes recent conversations with Mckenna Denson herself and what he has learned from those. Radio Free Mormon through all of this and more helps us see that there is still much about this case that contributes to a much bigger picture……….. Especially if what we knew was on Page 4 of the Church’s dossier
In Radio Free Mormon fashion, RFM dissect the Church Sex Abuse Scandal coverup like a legal case. He shows the incredible evidence that the Joseph Layton Bishop Jr. case was an attempted cover-up by the Church throughout the entire event.
RFM todays tackles the Deception of LDS Leaders that the Church in shielding membership from being aware of a significant loss of members to disaffection. In this part 3 episode RFM shows using Leaders own words juxtaposed against the data that they are lying about Church growth and are downplaying disaffection. He then proceeds to show that Mormonism has begun a sleight of hand as they begin to shift what “growth” will mean for future members of the Church.
RESOURCES:
A Deep Review of LDS Growth Statistics
Elder Cook’s Deceptive Statement
Elder Holland Apparently Lying about Double Digit Stake Creation
Elder Holland’s Tantrum on Disaffection
Elder Eyring’s Redefining of Growth – (15:48)
Discussion of decreasing ward per stake
Links from 2016 on LDS.ORG refuting Elder Holland’s Imposed Growth of Stakes
1.March
RFM todays tackles the awareness of LDS Leaders that the Church is losing members in a mass apostacy. In this part 2 episode RFM how much LDS leaders know that Mormonism is no longer growing. Using Marlin Jenson’s statement that
“The fifteen men really do know, and they really care. And they realize that maybe since Kirtland, we never have had a period of, I’ll call it apostasy, like we’re having right now; largely over these issues. We do have another initiative that we have called, “Answers to Gospel Questions”. We are trying to figure out exactly what channels to deliver it in and exactly what format to put it in. But we want to have a place where people can go. We have hired someone that’s in charge of search engine optimization. We realize that people get their information basically from Google. They don’t come to LDS.org. If they get there, it’s through Google. So, we are trying to create an offering that will address these issues and be available for the public at large and to the church leaders, because many of them don’t have answers either. It can be very disappointing to church members. And, for people who are losing their faith, or who have lost it, we hope to regain to the church.”
and then showing all the reactions of various LDS leaders in followup.
RFM todays tackles the growth of the Church. In this part 1 episode RFM dives into how the Church used growth as a witness of the truthfulness of the Church in past decades and utilized the Book of Daniel and the Stone cut out of the mountain without hands. Then he takes multiple General Conference talks and other media soundbites to show that the Church as an institution most assuredly framed itself in this way. He concludes setting up episode 2 where now that Church growth has become stagnate and perhaps even receding, that the Church is in the process of removing such a framework and creating a new narrative.
RFM tackles the announcement of the reorganization of the First Presidency of the LDS Church. What was said and what it means and what understanding it leads to when the LDS process or reorganizing its leadership is juxtaposed against how scripture imposes that such be handled.
Radio Free Mormon tackles the pillar of revelation. In his normal RFM fashion, he lays out like a legal case the fact that Mormonism has gone from a religion that encouraged and expected its membership to have direct revelation from God, his son, and his angels to a faith that has stripped away any real dependenace or expectation of revelation. From handshakes to discern ministering angels to being told today that such things like a angelic visit or even a real voice not only should not be expected but simply won’t happen!!!!
Mormon Discussion Podcasts 2017 Holiday Special. Several Hosts from our various programs have put together a Holiday Special simply sharing a Christmas thought and wishing you a Merry Christmas and an incredible Holiday Season. Wendy Perry from the Mormon Wellness Project put this together with a little help from Skyler from the Mormon History Podcast, Radio Free Mormon, Bill Reel, and of course Wendy Perry…….. Thank you for listening to the Mormon Discussion lineup!!!! And our 2 Cents…. Listen to the end!!!!
In today’s episode, RFM tackles the recent leak of a 1981 official manual of the Church Of Jesus Christ if Latter-day Saints on the topic of homosexuality. RFM demonstrates conclusively that the Church held many views officially that were demonstrably wrong and deeply unhealthy. RFM then, in traditional fashion, dissects the why of the Church needing to look consistent and the mechanisms of maintaining authority. So put on your headphones, grab a glass of eggnog, plug in the Christmas tree, grab a Christmas cookie, and enjoy Radio Free Mormon’s “Ghost of Homophobia’s Past”
Below is a link to the transcript of Radio Free Mormon’s Elder Ballard Blows Up The Church!!! This episode gives a bakers dozen of documented instances where the Church seemingly hid or was not transparent refuting Elder Ballard’s statement that the Church has never hid anything!!!
Radio Free Mormon’s Thanksgiving Day Episode
RFM tackles Elder Oaks and Elder Ballard in their Face to Face broadcast, from behind enemy lines. Elder Ballard says Church leaders have never, ever, never, ever, ever, hidden difficult pieces of our faith’s history. RFM then proceeds to not only show that the Church has lied on a few occasions but rather has demonstrated a pattern of continuous lying and deception since its inception.
In Radio Free Mormon fashion, RFM tackles the sentence within the The Family: A Proclamation to the World, that Gender is Eternal and does the research to show is if such was really a doctrine previously taught within Mormonism or if the Church created this Doctrine….. “Out of Nothing At All”. The solution for the LGBT issue is sitting right at their feet and RFM makes it clear to direct their attention right to it.
RFM tackles the 2017 October General Conference. Tackling Sunday’s Afternoon session where the only good books are those that are in the approved curriculum and only inside the Church along with several other talks in this final installment 3 part series!!!!
Radio Free Mormon works overtime late into the evening giving us this special episode regarding the 3:42 advertisement by Elder Oaks and Elder Ballard for their upcoming Q&A with the Young Single Adults. Sadly as RFM points out, there is seemingly no desire on the part of Church leaders to attempt to answer questions for which there are no good answers. In fact, they will simply avoid the tough questions and only take on the easy ones…. Which makes the event essentially just more of the same…. With little revelation and quotes like “Gone Are The Days” seeming like lip service, lets dive into this trainwreck.
RFM tackles the 2017 October General Conference. Tackling Sunday’s Morning session where “Faith NOT To Be Healed” rears its head again along with more miracles that are not miracles in this part 2 of a 3 part series!!!!
RFM tackles the 2017 October General Conference. Complimenting Holland, Dissecting Eyring, being a wingman for Uchtdorf, and even a Freudian Slip. Broadcasting behind enemy lines RFM covers the womens session through Saturday night’s priesthood session in this part 1 of a 3 part series!!!!
The Family: A Proclamation To The World – How was it created? Why was it created? What is the timeline for its creation? Today in a special joint episode Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel from Mormon Discussion tackle these questions and more. Want to know the backdrop and context of the creation of the LDS Proclamation on the family? Well here it is and we hope you enjoy!!!!!
RESOURCES:
https://mormondiscussions.org/radiofree/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/10/oaks_paper1984.pdf
http://rationalfaiths.com/from-amici-to-ohana/
https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/10/the-plan-and-the-proclamation?lang=eng
https://www.lds.org/broadcasts/archive/worldwide-leadership-training/2008/02?lang=eng
https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2010/10/cleansing-the-inner-vessel?lang=eng
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/interview-oaks-wickman-same-gender-attraction
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFCWUoXr1Dg
https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V45N01_CO.pdf
https://www.lds.org/topics/family-proclamation?lang=eng&old=true
https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1995/10/the-family-a-proclamation-to-the-world?lang=eng
Today Behind enemy lines, Radio Free Mormon dives into what it means to have “Faith Not To Be Healed”. RFM explores what we have taught about healing, its principles, how healing take place, what it means when the healing doesn’t occur, and how central healing power is to the Restored Gospel. Do you have faith not to be healed?
Today Behind enemy lines, Radio Free Mormon dives into what it means to be a “True Believing Mormon”. To do this RFM dives into How we define a TBM today and then takes us back in time to help us see How Joseph Smith defined a TBM and along the way tells us a story or two to emphasize the point. Are you TBM? take a listen and let’s see.
Today Radio Free Mormon, finds himself deep behind enemy lines, as he tackles the recent retraction of the faith promoting story told by Elder Jeffrey R Holland about one brother finding his long lost sibling while on his mission. Take a deep breath, grab your ice cold herbal tea, and enjoy an intellectual walk though the history of this episode in LDS History.
Resources:
Deseret News – Elder Holland releases statement regarding missionary story
Desert News – Elder Holland withdraws Church News missionary story
Church News – Elder Holland Releases Statement Regarding Missionary Story
http://rogerwilco-ldsreport.blogspot.com/
http://www.texashoustonsouthmission.com/weekly-presidents-pen/2016/4/25/presidents-pen-4-25-16 this link is now broken (site removed this page) – here is cached version = https://web.archive.org/web/20170801050830/http://www.texashoustonsouthmission.com/weekly-presidents-pen/2016/4/25/presidents-pen-4-25-16
http://eldercowansouthafrica.blogspot.com/
http://savvysmissionaryblog.blogspot.com/2015/11/carry-on.html
http://hermanaalisonknight.blogspot.com/2015/11/one-month-down-17-to-go.html
http://eldergideonbenge.blogspot.com/2017/07/an-invitation-to-come-home.html
https://stareshinagee.wordpress.com/2015/11/30/18-nov-2015-letter-to-his-mother-the-time-is-at-hand/
http://shiningmissionary.blogspot.com/2016/06/56.html?m=1
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nickleus/sets/72157623567278714/
Today we delve into Part 2 regarding the process by which Apostles became the ruling body in the LDS Church. The different leadership bodies, who had a higher authority and stewardship, what happened at Joseph Smith’s death, who he had appointed as his successor, and how the Quorum of the twelve removed every other possible contender to take leadership upon Joseph’s death. And finally the suspicious death of Samuel Smith which some believe was just one more step taken by the 12 to usurp any possible claim outside of themselves that aspired to leading the Church.
Today we delve into the process by which Apostles became the ruling body in the LDS Church. The different leadership bodies, who had a higher authority and stewardship, what happened at Joseph Smith’s death, who he had appointed as his successor, and how the Quorum of the twelve removed every other possible contender to take leadership upon Joseph’s death.
Today Radio Free Mormon throws us a curveball and shows us things are not so easy to brush off. That while there are many contradiction in Mormonism that work against its claims, there are also other sides to that coin. Namely paradoxes that call us to take the another look at Mormonism including today’s look into the Book of Mormon. Just as we thought we might be heading down a wrong road, he points us to a road sign that suggests it may actually be a right road. The road sign? ……… Numerology in the Book of Mormon. No not your weird cousins type of numerology where one deciphers the numbers in your life as if reading a palm. Rather what numbers meant to the Israelites and Jews and the Middle Eastern cultures and why strangely, those systems show up in great explainable yet statistically significant ways.
RESOURCES:
rationalfaiths.com/hebrew-numerology-book-mormon/
https://archive.bookofmormoncentral.org/node/8
Today Radio Free Mormon releases his newest episode newest episode “Murder Most Foul”. Today RFM explores the slaying of Laban and all the motives and correlations that the Book of Mormon puts on display giving insight into it as a text and into the mind of Nephi. After just taking us down the wrong roads, RFM now walks us back into a serious consideration of the Book of Mormon!!!
Today “Radio Free Mormon” continues with its newest episode “Wrong Roads”. Today RFM explores what it means to walk the logic all the way out on situations when God gives a revelation dictating the wrong answer as the right answer so that you as the receiver of a wrong answer in revelation will eventually learn the right answer by realizing God had given you the wrong answer in order to give you the right answer.
Resources:
https://www.lds.org/media-library/video/2013-09-016-wrong-roads?lang=eng
https://www.lds.org/new-era/2005/07/wrong-roads-and-revelation?lang=eng
http://www.ldsliving.com/Mormon-Message-from-Elder-Holland-Wrong-Roads-/s/74180
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Today “Radio Free Mormon” continues with its newest episode “April 2017 General Conference Autopsy Report”. Today Radio Free Mormon continues pursuing the deeper happenings of our recent General Conference pulling out themes and data that can give us a glimpse into the inner sanctum.
RESOURCES:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-freeway-fire-20150707-story.html
http://www.scpr.org/news/2015/07/07/52941/glassell-park-fire-burns-mormon-church-collapsing/
http://www.mission.net/japan/sendai/page.php?lang=eng&pg_id=4656
http://preparetoserve.com/japan-sendai-mission/
https://www.lds.org/church/news/japan-earthquake-tsunami-update?lang=eng
Today Mormon Discussion Podcast and Radio Free Mormon combine our thoughts into a two part Conference Review of the April 2017 General Conference. We look back in part one at Saturday’s Sessions and in Part two we hit on the Sunday Sessions along with some themes that run throughout conference. We hope you enjoy
Today Mormon Discussion Podcast and Radio Free Mormon combine our thoughts into a two part Conference Review of the April 2017 General Conference. We look back in part one at Saturday’s Sessions and in Part two we hit on the Sunday Sessions along with some themes that run throughout conference. We hope you enjoy
Today “Radio Free Mormon” continues with its newest episode “A Spirited Debate”. Today RFM Re-visits some thoughts a listener shared from the last Radio Free Mormon Episode “The Amazing Contradicting Joseph Smith”. RFM adds new context and new information that makes Joseph’s Contradictions even more amazing… and spirited.
RESOURCES:
Source for conversation about about the Quote “I never thought it was right to call up a man and try him because he erred in doctrine, it looks too much like methodism and not like Latter day Saintism. Methodists have creeds which a man must believe or be kicked out of their church. I want the liberty of believe as I please, it feels so good not to be trammeled. It don’t prove that a man is not a good man, because he errs in doctrine”
Site Conversating about the Willard Chase / Toad-Moroni Source: “He repaired to the place of deposit and demanded the book, which was in a stone box, unsealed, and so near the top of the ground that he could see one end of it, and raising it up, took out the book of gold; but fearing some one might discover where he got it, he laid it down to place back the top stone, as he found it; and turning around, to his surprise there was no book in sight. He again opened the box, and in it saw the book, and attempted to take it out, but was hindered. He saw in the box something like toad”
A source discussing Lectures on Faith #5 and the Elder mcConkie quote: “Using the holy scriptures as the recorded source of the knowledge of God, knowing what the Lord has revealed to them of old in visions and by the power of the Spirit, and writing as guided by that same Spirit, Joseph Smith and the early brethren of this dispensation prepared a creedal statement on the Godhead. It is without question the most excellent summary of revealed and eternal truth relative to the Godhead that is now extant in mortal language. In it is set forth the mystery of Godliness; that is, it sets forth the personalities, missions, and ministries of those holy beings who comprise the supreme presidency of the universe. To spiritually illiterate persons, it may seem hard and confusing; to those whose souls are aflame with heavenly light, it is a nearly perfect summary of those things which must be believed to gain salvation”
Today “Radio Free Mormon” continues with its newest episode “The Amazing Contradicting Joseph Smith” This episode discusses the changing and shifting theology of Joseph Smith and helps us see that while Religions strength is not changing and science’s strength is adaptation to new information that Joseph found a way to blend the two.
Resources:
http://mit.irr.org/joseph-smiths-changing-doctrine-of-deity
coldcasechristianity.com/2014/did-joseph-smiths-doctrine-of-god-change-over-time/
http://www.lds-mormon.com/changod.shtml
http://www.mormonthink.com/grantpalmer/grant12.htm
http://www.thisdiyhouse.com/thomascrowe/Masters/LDS/Reconstruction_of_Mormon_Doctrine_Alexander.pdf
Disclaimer:
As with all guest hosts, this Episode does not necessarily reflect the views of Bill Reel or Mormon Discussion Podcast.
Request:
Like this episode and others we have had from guest hosts, Such contributions are highly desired. My mission with Mormon Discussion Podcast is to bring great perspectives of Mormon History & Culture that helps struggling Latter-day Saints reconcile difficulties while being encouraged to stay in the Church. If you wish to contribute either a Blog Post or a Audio Podcast Episode please do and send to me at ReelMormon AT gmail DOT com for consideration.
Today “Radio Free Mormon” continues with its newest episode “Have LDS Apsotles Seen Jesus?” This episode discusses what we can know and not know and what perhaps can be assessed by the statements of LDS Leaders on whether they have seen the actual risen Christ or not.
Resources:
Elder Oaks defining their “Special Witness”
FairMormon Revelation after Joseph Smith
Disclaimer:
As with all guest hosts, this Episode does not necessarily reflect the views of Bill Reel or Mormon Discussion Podcast.
Request:
Like this episode and others we have had from guest hosts, Such contributions are highly desired. My mission with Mormon Discussion Podcast is to bring great perspectives of Mormon History & Culture that helps struggling Latter-day Saints reconcile difficulties while being encouraged to stay in the Church. If you wish to contribute either a Blog Post or a Audio Podcast Episode please do and send to me at ReelMormon AT gmail DOT com for consideration.
Today “Radio Free Mormon” continues with its newest episode “Denying Church History”. This episode uses an interview with Marlin Jensen where he was interviewed by Doug Fabrizio just after the Helen Whitney’s “The Mormon” aired on PBS. Radio Free Mormon dissects this interview to show as Much as the Church wants to move into transparency that it still see too much of a risk to 100% completely stay clear of hiding history.
Resources:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX0FVvFSlb0 (start at 45:14)
https://mormon-chronicles.blogspot.com/2012/01/rescue-plan-to-address-difficulties-of.html
https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/volume-14-number-3-2013/start-faith-conversation-elder-steven-e-snow
Disclaimer:
As with all guest hosts, this Episode does not necessarily reflect the views of Bill Reel or Mormon Discussion Podcast.
Request:
Like this episode and others we have had from guest hosts, Such contributions are highly desired. My mission with Mormon Discussion Podcast is to bring great perspectives of Mormon History & Culture that helps struggling Latter-day Saints reconcile difficulties while being encouraged to stay in the Church. If you wish to contribute either a Blog Post or a Audio Podcast Episode please do and send to me at ReelMormon AT gmail DOT com for consideration.
Today “Radio Free Mormon” continues with its newest episode “Make Way For Milk Strippings”. This episode delves into the apostasy and separation of Thomas Marsh from the Church. The story we have been told is that Marsh stuck up for and defended his wife over her feeling that a verbal agreement with a neighbor over milk and strippings was broken and she desired to be found justified in her disagreement. This episode delves into the deeper history and the more complicated but also historically accurate reasons for Marsh’s seperation from the Church.
While Marsh was dealing with multiple reasons for a loss of faith we also discover new connections behind this story. Namely what Marsh and his wife Elizabeth did not know was that this neighbor, Lucinda Harris, in dispute with Elizabeth over the milk and strippings is the a plural wife of the Prophet Joseph Smith and enters a relationship with Joseph earlier that same year, 1838, unknown to almost anyone. So when she and Thomas appeal to the first presidency they realize just how little Brother Joseph wants to side against Lucinda or put her name into the public conversation.
Resources:
The Church’s account of Marsh’s apostasy
Mormon Stories sharing background
By Common Consent’s recounting
Juvenile Instructor’s recounting
Lucinda Harris – 3rd polygamous wife of Joseph Smith
Brian Hales Evidence of Lucinda’s relationship to Joseph
Year Of Polygamy – Lucinda Harris
Disclaimer:
As with all guest hosts, this Episode does not necessarily reflect the views of Bill Reel or Mormon Discussion Podcast.
Request:
Like this episode and others we have had from guest hosts, Such contributions are highly desired. My mission with Mormon Discussion Podcast is to bring great perspectives of Mormon History & Culture that helps struggling Latter-day Saints reconcile difficulties while being encouraged to stay in the Church. If you wish to contribute either a Blog Post or a Audio Podcast Episode please do and send to me at ReelMormon AT gmail DOT com for consideration.
Today “Radio Free Mormon” continues with its newest episode “Radio Free Christmas”. This will be a nice segue between the recent Historical Jesus episodes and the celebration of the birth of our Lord. In Celebration of Christmas, Radio Free Mormon gives us the rest of the story on the nativity story in Radio Free Mormon fashion.
Disclaimer:
As with all guest hosts, this Episode does not necessarily reflect the views of Bill Reel or Mormon Discussion Podcast.
Request:
Like this episode and others we have had from guest hosts, Such contributions are highly desired. My mission with Mormon Discussion Podcast is to bring great perspectives of Mormon History & Culture that helps struggling Latter-day Saints reconcile difficulties while being encouraged to stay in the Church. If you wish to contribute either a Blog Post or a Audio Podcast Episode please do and send to me at ReelMormon AT gmail DOT com for consideration.
Today “Radio Free Mormon” continues its guest hosted series with its 3rd episode. This 3rd Episode “Hiding Church History” goes into the evidence that the Church intentionally holds back parts of its narrative when sharing its story with its own members. The focus in this episode is on the 1832 First Vision Account and it having been intentionally removed from Joseph Smith’s journal and stored away by Joseph Fielding Smith in an act that kept this account of discrepancies outside the public eye till critics find out its existence in 1964 and released by the Church History Department in the 1965.
Resources:
Stan Larson’s retelling of this event
The actual 1832 account with obvious tape attaching it back to the journal
Disclaimer:
As with all guest hosts, this Episode does not necessarily reflect the views of Bill Reel or Mormon Discussion Podcast.
Request:
Like this episode and others we have had from guest hosts, Such contributions are highly desired. My mission with Mormon Discussion Podcast is to bring great perspectives of Mormon History & Culture that helps struggling Latter-day Saints reconcile difficulties while being encouraged to stay in the Church. If you wish to contribute either a Blog Post or a Audio Podcast Episode please do and send to me at ReelMormon AT gmail DOT com for consideration.
Today a Guest host is continuing with Episode #2 from a series called “Radio Free Mormon”. This Second Episode “The Reluctant Revelation” goes into the November 5th 2015 Policy changes against LDS LGBT members and their children.
Elder Christofferson’s Clarification
First Presidency Clarification
Nelson declaring policy a revelation
Disclaimer:
As with all guest hosts, this Episode does not necessarily reflect the views of Bill Reel or Mormon Discussion Podcast.
Request:
Like this episode and others we have had from guest hosts, Such contributions are highly desired. My mission with Mormon Discussion Podcast is to bring great perspectives of Mormon History & Culture that helps struggling Latter-day Saints reconcile difficulties while being encouraged to stay in the Church. If you wish to contribute either a Blog Post or a Audio Podcast Episode please do and send to me at ReelMormon AT gmail DOT com for consideration.
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Today a Guest host is contributing with their First Episode from a series called “Radio Free Mormon”. The First Episode is titled “The Great Mormon History Cover-up”. The episode delves into The Church’s battle against intellectuals and messy history and centers around President Packer’s talk “The Mantle Is Far, Far Greater Than the Intellect”
Disclaimer:
As with all guest hosts, this Episode does not necessarily reflect the views of Bill Reel or Mormon Discussion Podcast.
Request:
Like this episode and others we have had from guest hosts, Such contributions are highly desired. My mission with Mormon Discussion Podcast is to bring great perspectives of Mormon History & Culture that helps struggling Latter-day Saints reconcile difficulties while being encouraged to stay in the Church. If you wish to contribute either a Blog Post or a Audio Podcast Episode please do and send to me at ReelMormon AT gmail DOT com for consideration.
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